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2013-12-29 02:56:35 PM  

clambam: No money in it for the politicians and their cronies. Screw the pre-school children of Louisiana.


Lol, those goalpost heavy?
 
2013-12-29 02:57:24 PM  

BMulligan: Oldiron_79: StopLurkListen: El Pachuco: One is grounded in principles of lean and limited government and on traditional values; the other is built on a belief in the essential role of government and on tenets of cultural liberalism.

Uh huh.  Sure, that's a euphemistic way of phrasing, scared old xenophobes.

And

Why are you showing a 50 year old pic of a Democrat controled at the time state?

That "sentence" only barely resembles standard written English. I'm guessing you were home schooled?


Forget it Jake, it's Derptown
 
2013-12-29 03:01:51 PM  
This thread could not have started any better.
 
2013-12-29 03:01:57 PM  

El Pachuco: Republican states have pursued economic and fiscal strategies built around lower taxes, deeper spending cuts and less regulation. They have declined to set up state health-insurance exchanges to implement President Obama's Affordable Care Act. They have clashed with labor unions.

Blue states have also been forced to cut spending, given the budgetary pressures caused by the recession. But rather than cutting more deeply, a number of them also have raised taxes to pay for education or infrastructure. They have backed the president on the main elements of his health-care law.

If this is actually true, then we should soon have enough data to judge which approach really worked best.  Prediction: The data is ignored and the right keeps both index fingers firmly planted in ears, chants lalalala.


And if the blue state policies turn out to be failures, it will still be the Republican's fault, the way the Obamacare disaster is due to the GOP thinking evil thoughts at it.
 
2013-12-29 03:02:26 PM  

chuggernaught: TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]

Red States in the Year 2050:
[www.centives.net image 800x526]

Name the specific Repub policies that will cause that to pass.


Cuts to education spending, selling public utilities to private corporations and then leading them back at 150-200% markup, getting rid of union protections... I mean, how many are you looking for?
 
2013-12-29 03:03:27 PM  

glmorrs1: chuggernaught: TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]

Red States in the Year 2050:
[www.centives.net image 800x526]

Name the specific Repub policies that will cause that to pass.

Cuts to education spending, selling public utilities to private corporations and then leading them back at 150-200% markup, getting rid of union protections... I mean, how many are you looking for?


*leasing
 
2013-12-29 03:04:02 PM  

Kit Fister: *considers posting, then just says "meh" and goes back to skyrim*


Good. Save us the threadshiat.
 
2013-12-29 03:04:33 PM  

Bendal: A prime example of  how conservatives would run a state (or country) if they get full control is NC. After 2012 the state legislature ended up with a veto proof majority of rabid, far right conservatives in both houses, with a rubber stamp conservative in the Governor's seat too.

The result has been a total reversal of decades of governing by liberals and progressives that had NC considered the most forward thinking state in the South. Voting restrictions, abortion restrictions, environmental deregulation, education defunding, taking power away from cities and counties (despite claims from conservatives that 'local government is the best'), implementing an anti-gay marriage amendment to the state constitution, raising taxes on the middle class and poor while lowering them on the rich, and passing business friendly laws were all accomplished in 2013, all over the objections of both the Democrats in the legislature and the public in general.

No telling what they'll come up with in 2014.


I'm hoping the AA is as pissed off as they should be about the voter supression shiat. We are firmly a purple state now. It doesn't take much to swing the pendulum. The education cuts are not sitting well with the derpers either.
 
2013-12-29 03:08:16 PM  
You're not allowed to criticize both sides submitter, that means you must think that Both Sides Are Badtm.
 
2013-12-29 03:08:40 PM  

IlGreven: Bareefer Obonghit: In every Derp house and in every Derp town every Derp eats his bread with the butter side down!

Long live Herpistan.

Pocket Ninja: Every Herp man and woman, every Herp kit and pup, every one of those Herps eats bread butter side up!

Long live Derpistan.

I eat bread without butter.


why would anyone waste good butter by putting dry bread on it?
 
2013-12-29 03:09:53 PM  
I have a hard enough time just keeping up with national politics and those from my own state. I can't really give too much of a shiat about what is going around in state houses around the country.
 
2013-12-29 03:10:16 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: gingerjet: make me some tea: Bloomberg is an aspiring benevolent dictator. I wouldn't brand him as either liberal or conservative.

And the NY Liberals who fought for him to get a third term have all regretted it.

/term limits is another form of mitigating risk

No, it isn't: Term limits leave the executive and the legislation at the mercy of the bureaucrats.



I think there's valid arguments to be made on both sides of this argument, and it's something that we as a whole haven't really solved yet.

On one hand, term limits can be good because they prevent a cult-of-personality from perpetual rule and creating such an effective self-perpetuating machine that nobody can ever get them out of power, and corruption abounds.

On the other hand, term limits can be bad, because during a lame duck session the bureaucrat now has no incentive to serve the public beyond their public legacy, and is free to focus on crafting legislation and policies that will benefit him/her once out of office.


Which is worse? I haven't decided yet.

I just had a funny thought though. Perhaps instead of a straight term limit, we impose a system of handicaps. Say, for every year you serve in office past your initial term, 1% of your popular vote total subtracted during your next election for the same seat. So for a senator, you get your unadjusted vote total for your first and 2nd elections, but your third election puts you at a 6% disadvantage, increasing every term.

There's probably a billion things wrong with this, but it's interesting to think about.
 
2013-12-29 03:13:20 PM  

jjorsett: El Pachuco: Republican states have pursued economic and fiscal strategies built around lower taxes, deeper spending cuts and less regulation. They have declined to set up state health-insurance exchanges to implement President Obama's Affordable Care Act. They have clashed with labor unions.

Blue states have also been forced to cut spending, given the budgetary pressures caused by the recession. But rather than cutting more deeply, a number of them also have raised taxes to pay for education or infrastructure. They have backed the president on the main elements of his health-care law.

If this is actually true, then we should soon have enough data to judge which approach really worked best.  Prediction: The data is ignored and the right keeps both index fingers firmly planted in ears, chants lalalala.

And if the blue state policies turn out to be failures, it will still be the Republican's fault, the way the Obamacare disaster is due to the GOP thinking evil thoughts at it.


Hah yeah or say the failures of the left are a secret plot to usher in an even BetterPlan (tm). Just like how the ACA was a deliberate clusterfark to usher in single payer.
 
2013-12-29 03:14:47 PM  

jjorsett: Obamacare disaster


Millions of people gaining the opportunity for insurance... man, what a disaster.

/only because you think it is
//benghazibenghazibenghazibenghazi
 
2013-12-29 03:17:46 PM  

jjorsett: And if the blue state policies turn out to be failures, it will still be the Republican's fault, the way the Obamacare disaster is due to the GOP thinking evil thoughts at it.


I know you're not accepting responsibility here or anything, but this is a useful reminder of how the the Republicans did everything they could possibly think of to sabotage the ACA, including trying to repeal it 47 times.  Any program facing that much opposition is going to have a few tiny implementation problems.

Or, in terms simple enough for you to get:

Obama: The ACA will help millions of Americans get healthcare insurance.

GOP: Oh Hell Naw!!!! *sabotage*sabotage*sabotage*sabotage*sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sa b otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sabotage *sab otage

GOP: Har har lookit all the problems with Obamacare!!!
 
2013-12-29 03:21:23 PM  

glmorrs1: chuggernaught: TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]

Red States in the Year 2050:
[www.centives.net image 800x526]

Name the specific Repub policies that will cause that to pass.

Cuts to education spending, selling public utilities to private corporations and then leading them back at 150-200% markup, getting rid of union protections... I mean, how many are you looking for?


Don't forget regressive taxation and the evisceration of environmental regulations.
 
2013-12-29 03:25:13 PM  

HeadLever: clambam: No money in it for the politicians and their cronies. Screw the pre-school children of Louisiana.

Lol, those goalpost heavy?


You are indeed technically correct, which is, as we all know, the best kind of correct. Doesn't obviate the fact though that Massachusetts gets 83 cents in services for every dollar it send to the Federal government, while Louisiana get $2.73 back. When you're sucking that ferociously at the Federal teat, I guess it's OK to turns down fourths on occasion.
 
2013-12-29 03:29:39 PM  

clambam: while Louisiana get $2.73 back. When you're sucking that ferociously at the Federal teat, I guess it's OK to turns down fourths on occasion.


Ok, I'll add geography to the growing list of stuff you know nothing about.  Look again - here let me help.  Louisiana looks like this:


www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-12-29 03:43:55 PM  

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: *considers posting, then just says "meh" and goes back to skyrim*

Good. Save us the threadshiat.


You know, I apologize for threadshiatting. I believe what I do because I only understand what I have encountered personally. I won't apologize for not always agreeing, but if my arguments or ignorance has upset you then I do.

I want to learn more and grow, and that's not always easy. So, thanks for challenging my beliefs.
 
2013-12-29 03:46:06 PM  

Delay: FTA: "One is grounded in principles of lean and limited government and on traditional values; the other is built on a belief in the essential role of government and on tenets of cultural liberalism."

Why this shiat again?


To be fair, it's impossible to hold both beliefs simultaneously. There's no way to believe your family -and- your government are essential.
 
2013-12-29 03:46:43 PM  
From their graphic, exactly one state (Utah) has had undivided, uninterrupted one-party rule since 1990. A state like Wisconsin- which switches back and forth between a unified Republican statehouse and a unified Democratic statehouse- can't really be said to be an example of one-party rule.
 
2013-12-29 03:52:49 PM  

glmorrs1: chuggernaught: TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]

Red States in the Year 2050:
[www.centives.net image 800x526]

Name the specific Repub policies that will cause that to pass.

Cuts to education spending, selling public utilities to private corporations and then leading them back at 150-200% markup, getting rid of union protections... I mean, how many are you looking for?


Enough that they will be devastating the next time I get into an argument with a mouth-breather that believes Repubs can do no wrong.
 
2013-12-29 04:10:45 PM  
Democrats have stock piles of ammunition to show how little Republicans care about America and it's people. To bad they won't use it.
 
2013-12-29 04:23:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Good. Single party government is in a lot of ways a lot better - it lets you, as the voter, actually judge the government on its merits. Gridlocked government is a farking disaster of governance, both on a practical level and on an accountability level.


In general principle I agree with you but as a general matter just because a government looks divided doesn't mean it actually is. Take New Mexico for example. Yes, technically we have divided government because we now have a Republican Governor. But she acts more liberal than some of the liberals. She expanded Medicaid. The only one area where on can say she has expressed conservative value is Law Enforcement and education. The problems with education in NM go way beyond any one party. The LEA issue is real. But fundamentally NM looks a lot more divided on paper than it actually is in practice.

So I'm skeptical as to how much the make-up of the parties actually makes in term of real world legislation. West Virgina is a Democrat state that acts nothing like Maryland and more like Republican Georgia.
 
2013-12-29 04:37:56 PM  

worlddan: l. But fundamentally NM looks a lot more divided on paper than it actually is in practice.


New Orleans is a tax whole. Though LA is more Republican, New Orleans is a liberal mecca of money suckage and corruption.
 
2013-12-29 04:41:57 PM  

MithrandirBooga: HeadLever: clambam: The one statement you will never hear is a red state governor saying "Sorry, we can';t accept these extra funds from the Federal government.

You don't pay attention too much do you?


Oh sure, they make a big show about rejecting Federal money and saying "We can do it better on our own. With Blackjack. And Hookers". But then when things start falling apart, they come crawling back...


Rick Scott in FL did something similar, but never came crawling back.  He rejected 2.4 billion in federal funds that would have been used to build high speed rail between Tampa, Orlando, and Miami (hopefully with eventual connection between other cities).  It would have created thousands of short and long term jobs and been a huge convenience for the people of Florida when finished, but he'd rather cut of his own nose than accept money from Obama.
 
2013-12-29 04:45:45 PM  

Nemo's Brother: worlddan: l. But fundamentally NM looks a lot more divided on paper than it actually is in practice.

New Orleans is a tax whole. Though LA is more Republican, New Orleans is a liberal mecca of money suckage and corruption.


New Orleans is one of the few worthwhile things about Louisiana.  Without NO, Louisiana would be popularly perceived like Alabama or Mississippi - a culture-less backwater filled with hicks, racists, and products of multi-generational incest.
 
2013-12-29 04:49:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Without NO, Louisiana would be popularly perceived like Alabama or Mississippi - a culture-less backwater filled with hicks, racists, and products of multi-generational incest.


You mean it isn't now?  So long as your state's color is red, it really doesn't matter with the Koolaid drinkers.  Pretty sure NO was not excluded from Jesusland.
 
2013-12-29 04:51:06 PM  

chuggernaught: glmorrs1: chuggernaught: TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]

Red States in the Year 2050:
[www.centives.net image 800x526]

Name the specific Repub policies that will cause that to pass.

Cuts to education spending, selling public utilities to private corporations and then leading them back at 150-200% markup, getting rid of union protections... I mean, how many are you looking for?

Enough that they will be devastating the next time I get into an argument with a mouth-breather that believes Repubs can do no wrong.


I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but in my experience, no amount of facts or statistics will be enough. My mom's boyfriend thinks welfare is bankrupting the country and that it's all being wasted on welfare queens, and no matter how many times I show him articles and studies that say the opposite, he just dismisses them and says he knows he's right because he's "seen it with [his] own eyes."

It gets pretty infuriating.
 
2013-12-29 04:58:47 PM  

DamnYankees: jedihirsch: Yeah I live in New York, the State has a moderate liberal governor (and before that two moderate libs and a moderate repub before that) and far-left run democrat state assembly and a staunchly conservative run Republican State Senate. And nothing gets done and it works out pretty well. The state went for nearly six years without a budget not that long ago, and it still ran pretty well. NYC which has until jan 1, 4 republicans and 47 democrats to be 3 repubs and 48 dems next year. And 44 of the dems identify as liberal. We had a liberal mayor (except on taxes) for 12 years now and a fringe liberal incoming, and NYC is billions in debt and badly managed. I think when we had a repub mayor like Rudy with a liberal council, things worked out better and maybe if the city council was more balanced the city would be run better.

 I like the split, it keeps things balanced and normal

This is s truly terrible argument.


Not to mention that the New York State Senate is more complicated than what Damn Yankees said.  Hint:  "Indpendent" "Democratic" Caucus caucusing with the Republicans is the only reason that the Republicans currently have control of the State Senate, and I don't think Bloomberg can be described as liberal or conservative accurately.
 
2013-12-29 04:59:56 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: New Orleans is one of the few worthwhile things about Louisiana. Without NO, Louisiana would be popularly perceived like Alabama or Mississippi - a culture-less backwater filled with hicks, racists, and products of multi-generational incest.


You really don't know much about New Orleans then. It's a gathering point and there's a vibe to parts of it. But what you think of as "New Orleans" is only a small sliver of it and exists due in part because of the region around it. In fact, I've met as many people born and raised in the city outside of the city as I have in. Think of New Orleans more as a neutral mixing ground.
 
2013-12-29 05:01:12 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x680]

Red States in the Year 2050:
[www.centives.net image 800x526]


FARK!!!
We better start building fences now.
 
2013-12-29 05:04:01 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Nemo's Brother: worlddan: l. But fundamentally NM looks a lot more divided on paper than it actually is in practice.

New Orleans is a tax whole. Though LA is more Republican, New Orleans is a liberal mecca of money suckage and corruption.

New Orleans is one of the few worthwhile things about Louisiana.  Without NO, Louisiana would be popularly perceived like Alabama or Mississippi - a culture-less backwater filled with hicks, racists, and products of multi-generational incest.


What I'm trying to say is that if you think New Orleans would be the same without Chalmette, Arabi, Algiers, Metairie, Gretna, Kenner (Brah), Lafitte, Harvey, Marrero, Westwego, Lake Catherine, Belle Chasse, etc etc... then you're just simply lost.
 
2013-12-29 05:08:57 PM  

glmorrs1: My mom's boyfriend thinks welfare is bankrupting the country and that it's all being wasted on welfare queens, and no matter how many times I show him articles and studies that say the opposite, he just dismisses them and says he knows he's right because he's "seen it with [his] own eyes."


Welfare - if he means medicare and medicaid and SS - is one of the largest financial issues we have going forward as a country.  They need addressed or we will continue to go deeper and deeper into debt.  Being bankrupt and waste on welfare queens are defiantly partisan hyperbole, but there is some merit to part of his argument.
 
2013-12-29 05:10:32 PM  

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: Nemo's Brother: worlddan: l. But fundamentally NM looks a lot more divided on paper than it actually is in practice.

New Orleans is a tax whole. Though LA is more Republican, New Orleans is a liberal mecca of money suckage and corruption.

New Orleans is one of the few worthwhile things about Louisiana.  Without NO, Louisiana would be popularly perceived like Alabama or Mississippi - a culture-less backwater filled with hicks, racists, and products of multi-generational incest.

What I'm trying to say is that if you think New Orleans would be the same without Chalmette, Arabi, Algiers, Metairie, Gretna, Kenner (Brah), Lafitte, Harvey, Marrero, Westwego, Lake Catherine, Belle Chasse, etc etc... then you're just simply lost.


I'm not trying to say that at all - I'm just saying that Louisiana would be far lesser without New Orleans.
 
2013-12-29 05:14:09 PM  

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: Nemo's Brother: worlddan: l. But fundamentally NM looks a lot more divided on paper than it actually is in practice.

New Orleans is a tax whole. Though LA is more Republican, New Orleans is a liberal mecca of money suckage and corruption.

New Orleans is one of the few worthwhile things about Louisiana.  Without NO, Louisiana would be popularly perceived like Alabama or Mississippi - a culture-less backwater filled with hicks, racists, and products of multi-generational incest.

What I'm trying to say is that if you think New Orleans would be the same without Chalmette, Arabi, Algiers, Metairie, Gretna, Kenner (Brah), Lafitte, Harvey, Marrero, Westwego, Lake Catherine, Belle Chasse, etc etc... then you're just simply lost.


The same could be said the other way too, that the Northshore and Jefferson Parrish would just be another backwater parrish if it wasn't for New Orleans.

They both need each other in other words.
 
2013-12-29 05:19:52 PM  

jedihirsch: Yeah I live in New York, the State has a moderate liberal governor (and before that two moderate libs and a moderate repub before that) and far-left run democrat state assembly and a staunchly conservative run Republican State Senate. And nothing gets done and it works out pretty well. The state went for nearly six years without a budget not that long ago, and it still ran pretty well. NYC which has until jan 1, 4 republicans and 47 democrats to be 3 repubs and 48 dems next year. And 44 of the dems identify as liberal. We had a liberal mayor (except on

taxes) for 12 years now and a fringe liberal incoming, and NYC is billions in debt and badly managed. I think when we had a repub mayor like Rudy with a liberal council, things worked out better and maybe if the city council was more balanced the city would be run better.

 I like the split, it keeps things balanced and normal


I think I see the problem.
 
2013-12-29 05:22:14 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I'm not trying to say that at all - I'm just saying that Louisiana would be far lesser without New Orleans.


Dude, the loss of New Orleans would be a cultural loss for the entire country.

/and the entire planet.   Even Geordies from Tyneside know this
 
2013-12-29 05:31:42 PM  

HeadLever: glmorrs1: My mom's boyfriend thinks welfare is bankrupting the country and that it's all being wasted on welfare queens, and no matter how many times I show him articles and studies that say the opposite, he just dismisses them and says he knows he's right because he's "seen it with [his] own eyes."

Welfare - if he means medicare and medicaid and SS - is one of the largest financial issues we have going forward as a country.  They need addressed or we will continue to go deeper and deeper into debt.  Being bankrupt and waste on welfare queens are defiantly partisan hyperbole, but there is some merit to part of his argument.


Stop dishonestly discussing ss as welfare.
 
2013-12-29 05:35:26 PM  

Kit Fister: *considers posting, then just says "meh" and goes back to skyrim*


Hey, look, both sides, it's the worst villain of them all: the willfully ignorant!
 
2013-12-29 05:37:47 PM  
FTFA: One is grounded in principles of lean and limited government and on traditional values;

"Traditional values" means "barefoot and pregnant" and "I hates them Feelthy Queers."  Which is incompatible with "lean and limited government."
 
2013-12-29 05:46:26 PM  

make me some tea: Thrag: jedihirsch: Yeah I live in New York, the State has a moderate liberal governor (and before that two moderate libs and a moderate repub before that) and far-left run democrat state assembly and a staunchly conservative run Republican State Senate. And nothing gets done and it works out pretty well. The state went for nearly six years without a budget not that long ago, and it still ran pretty well. NYC which has until jan 1, 4 republicans and 47 democrats to be 3 repubs and 48 dems next year. And 44 of the dems identify as liberal. We had a liberal mayor (except on taxes) for 12 years now and a fringe liberal incoming, and NYC is billions in debt and badly managed. I think when we had a repub mayor like Rudy with a liberal council, things worked out better and maybe if the city council was more balanced the city would be run better.

 I like the split, it keeps things balanced and normal

Bloomberg, a liberal? Really?

Bloomberg is an aspiring benevolent dictator. I wouldn't brand him as either liberal or conservative.


Same goes for Cuomo. Hooray for living up to your nickname, Empire State.
 
2013-12-29 06:03:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: Stop dishonestly discussing ss as welfare.

 
I was responding to an anecdote and had to make an assumption.  I fully qualified said assumption.

In other words, it is not your place to refute said assumption, but that belongs to  glmorrs1alone.
 
2013-12-29 06:48:20 PM  

EyeballKid: Kit Fister: *considers posting, then just says "meh" and goes back to skyrim*

Hey, look, both sides, it's the worst villain of them all: the willfully ignorant!


You assume it's willful or ignorance. Sometimes I just am tired of the whole thing, don't understand it, and am happy just watching it burn.
 
2013-12-29 06:52:28 PM  

Thrag: jedihirsch: Yeah I live in New York, the State has a moderate liberal governor (and before that two moderate libs and a moderate repub before that) and far-left run democrat state assembly and a staunchly conservative run Republican State Senate. And nothing gets done and it works out pretty well. The state went for nearly six years without a budget not that long ago, and it still ran pretty well. NYC which has until jan 1, 4 republicans and 47 democrats to be 3 repubs and 48 dems next year. And 44 of the dems identify as liberal. We had a liberal mayor (except on taxes) for 12 years now and a fringe liberal incoming, and NYC is billions in debt and badly managed. I think when we had a repub mayor like Rudy with a liberal council, things worked out better and maybe if the city council was more balanced the city would be run better.

 I like the split, it keeps things balanced and normal

Bloomberg, a liberal? Really?


The word liberal gets tossed around so easily this day that it has lost all meaning.

most people dont even know what a liberal even is anymore, but they sure know to hate them.
 
2013-12-29 07:06:11 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: The word liberal gets tossed around so easily this day that it has lost all meaning.

most people dont even know what a liberal even is anymore, but they sure know to hate them.


The same could be said about conservatives.  According to Fark,we are all anti-government racist, homophobic, gun loving hicks that only hate the President because of his skin color.

/Strawmen are much easier toargue with than real issues.
 
2013-12-29 07:08:05 PM  

HeadLever: Smackledorfer: Stop dishonestly discussing ss as welfare.
 
I was responding to an anecdote and had to make an assumption.  I fully qualified said assumption.

In other words, it is not your place to refute said assumption, but that belongs to  glmorrs1alone.


Horseshiat.

You are consistent in your dishonest characterizing of ss.It isn't limited to this thread. Further, even if this other person was stupid enough to consider ss welfare, then it still shouldn't have been included in your later agreement that it has anything to do with the debt.

Social Security does not contribute to the deficit or the debt. Period. Saying it does is ridiculous. Which is too bad, because everytime an obviously biased person like slips dishonesty into an ss discussion it decreases the chances we reasonably address any real issues that exist with it.
 
2013-12-29 07:11:48 PM  

Smackledorfer: HeadLever: glmorrs1: My mom's boyfriend thinks welfare is bankrupting the country and that it's all being wasted on welfare queens, and no matter how many times I show him articles and studies that say the opposite, he just dismisses them and says he knows he's right because he's "seen it with [his] own eyes."

Welfare - if he means medicare and medicaid and SS - is one of the largest financial issues we have going forward as a country.  They need addressed or we will continue to go deeper and deeper into debt.  Being bankrupt and waste on welfare queens are defiantly partisan hyperbole, but there is some merit to part of his argument.

Stop dishonestly discussing ss as welfare.


How should it be more accurately categorized? I am honestly asking.
 
2013-12-29 07:12:04 PM  

HeadLever: teenage mutant ninja rapist: The word liberal gets tossed around so easily this day that it has lost all meaning.

most people dont even know what a liberal even is anymore, but they sure know to hate them.

The same could be said about conservatives.  According to Fark,we are all anti-government racist, homophobic, gun loving hicks that only hate the President because of his skin color.

/Strawmen are much easier toargue with than real issues.


And here we see the rare strawman of a strawman being projected.
 
2013-12-29 07:13:41 PM  

clambam: TV's Vinnie: Blue states in the year 2050:
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Red States in the Year 2050:
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Satisfying as such images may be, they don't take into account the red state propensity to accept more more from the federal government than they pay in taxes. The one statement you will never hear is a red state governor saying "Sorry, we can';t accept these extra funds from the Federal government. We'll just hobble along using the taxes collected in our state." As a Massachusettsian, I calculate that my Federal taxes could be cut by 25% with no change in services if we didn't have to prop up those Welfare queen states  like Mississippi, South Carolina and Alaska. When are you welfare cheats gonna start pulling your own weight?


Except when it's Obamacare money.
 
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