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(PoliceOne)   Handcuffed suspect runs away while cops search his house. Undaunted by finding no drugs in the house, the cops charge him with stealing handcuffs. That really is some fine police work there, Lou   (policeone.com) divider line 107
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2013-12-28 10:49:37 PM
Did he "steal" the key, too?
 
2013-12-28 10:54:16 PM
"Hey, they GAVE the cuffs to me!  Even put them on...I thought it was just a belated XMas thing..."

He's lucky he didn't get charged with stealing bullets.
 
2013-12-28 10:54:50 PM
Troopers say 29-year-old Douglas Lydic, of Commodore, was handcuffed but not yet charged while they searched a scene in his hometown for drugs Sunday night.
Police have yet to charge him in that case but say he climbed out a cruiser window while cuffed and wound up at his girlfriend's home miles away.
Court records don't list an attorney for Lydic, who also faces a charge of escape at a preliminary hearing scheduled for Jan. 2.
He's been in the Indiana County Jail since he was re-arrested Monday morning at his girlfriend's home. She's being held on charges of hindering his apprehension by police.


Just how are you "arrested, but not charged?
 
2013-12-28 10:57:40 PM

vudukungfu: Just how are you "arrested, but not charged?


Because he ran away before he could be charged?
 
2013-12-28 11:27:36 PM
What is this "Police One", and why do they hate America?
 
2013-12-28 11:36:51 PM
Did they have a warrant to search the home?
 
2013-12-28 11:38:45 PM
Considering all that he is charged with is escape and stealing the cuffs, it seems very fishy. A bit like they are out just to put anything on him.

He should have ran though considering that thus far they had nothing
 
2013-12-28 11:40:17 PM

CruiserTwelve: vudukungfu: Just how are you "arrested, but not charged?

Because he ran away before he could be charged?


Ran Away?
Then he wasn't "arrested"
The act of depriving a person of his or her liberty is being arrested.
He exercised his liberty.
 
2013-12-28 11:40:43 PM

doglover: Did they have a warrant to search the home?


The article is lacking in detail. It says the cops were searching "a scene" without saying what the scene was. It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.
 
2013-12-28 11:41:05 PM

Piizzadude: Considering all that he is charged with is escape and stealing the cuffs, it seems very fishy. A bit like they are out just to put anything on him.

He should have ran though considering that thus far they had nothing


It's not running if the cops are dirty.

Isn't it Indiana where the law explicitly okays shooting officers to death for entering your home without proper paperwork?
 
2013-12-28 11:41:47 PM
Subby; I don't see any mention of them searching his house.
 
2013-12-28 11:42:40 PM
Local man arrested after escaping from armed home invaders.
 
2013-12-28 11:43:50 PM
So....

He'd been arrested, presumably for something other than the drugs they were searching for, and was sitting in the back of the squad car. Had to be something pretty minor, like a disturbing the peace or somesuch. He had to know they weren't going to find any drugs, if there were no drugs to find.

So instead he does something to guarantee it was going to be worse for him, by escaping custody? And running away down the street in handcuffs? Clearly this guy is better off in jail. He's too stupid to stay home alone for very long.
 
2013-12-28 11:44:09 PM

vudukungfu: Ran Away?
Then he wasn't "arrested"
The act of depriving a person of his or her liberty is being arrested.
He exercised his liberty.


It's really pretty simple. He was arrested, handcuffed, and placed in the back seat of a police car. He escaped before he could be taken to jail and charged with a crime.
 
2013-12-28 11:47:10 PM

CruiserTwelve: It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.


Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.

I like police as a rule, and most of them, like the Staties, are professional. But America's legal system culture is way out of control. We have too many people in jail, too many crimes the cops can charge you with, and quite frankly the wrong sort of people in LEO.

We need more Andy Griffiths and a lot less Frank Castles.
 
2013-12-28 11:47:59 PM
Resisting arrest is a crime, I thought.
 
2013-12-28 11:48:29 PM
In San Jose CA people are charged with resisting arrest without an accompanying charge.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13686438
 
2013-12-28 11:52:01 PM

doglover: Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.


You're making an assumption. This could easily be two separate cases and they haven't yet filed charges in the drug case.

As I said earlier, the article is lacking in detail.
 
2013-12-28 11:52:42 PM

Arkanaut: Resisting arrest is a crime, I thought.


Don't they have to be arresting you for something in order for you to resist arrest?
I wonder about people charged with resisting arrest as the only charge.  Resisting what arrest?
 
2013-12-28 11:53:05 PM

CruiserTwelve: vudukungfu: Ran Away?
Then he wasn't "arrested"
The act of depriving a person of his or her liberty is being arrested.
He exercised his liberty.

It's really pretty simple. He was arrested, handcuffed, and placed in the back seat of a police car. He escaped before he could be taken to jail and charged with a crime.


What was he arrested for?
 
2013-12-28 11:54:06 PM

Arkanaut: Resisting arrest is a crime, I thought.


You resist arrest if you are not yet arrested. He had clearly been arrested so he was resisting detention.
I truly do not know if this is a crime (resisting detention) in the state in which he was arrested.
 
2013-12-28 11:54:39 PM

CruiserTwelve: He escaped before he could be taken to jail and charged with a crime.


Is that how it works in your universe?
Most of us expect to be charged with a crime at the time of Arrest. That way, we know we are receiving competent technical support from our compliance navigators.
 
2013-12-28 11:57:01 PM

fusillade762: What was he arrested for?


The article doesn't say.
 
2013-12-28 11:58:40 PM

torquestripe: Arkanaut: Resisting arrest is a crime, I thought.

You resist arrest if you are not yet arrested. He had clearly been arrested so he was resisting detention.
I truly do not know if this is a crime (resisting detention) in the state in which he was arrested.


Yikes.
 
2013-12-28 11:58:55 PM

vudukungfu: Is that how it works in your universe?
Most of us expect to be charged with a crime at the time of Arrest. That way, we know we are receiving competent technical support from our compliance navigators.


There is no requirement that charges be filed at the time of arrest. When an arrest is made without a warrant, the police have 72 hours to file charges.
 
2013-12-28 11:59:21 PM
Man escapes from the police, cause they done did leave the police car's window open. It is being reported that Officers are losing their donut privileges for 2 days.

/At least they did not execute him in the back seat.
 
2013-12-28 11:59:24 PM

doglover: CruiserTwelve: It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.

Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.

I like police as a rule, and most of them, like the Staties, are professional. But America's legal system culture is way out of control. We have too many people in jail, too many crimes the cops can charge you with, and quite frankly the wrong sort of people in LEO.

We need more Andy Griffiths and a lot less Frank Castles.


Society had a crime problem. It hired cops to attack crime. Now society has a cop problem. -- Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker
 
2013-12-29 12:02:47 AM
doglover:

Isn't it Indiana where the law explicitly okays shooting officers to death for entering your home without proper paperwork?

Actually, it is the opposite.  Indiana is where you are to submit to police kicking down your door in a no-knock raid if they simply yell "POLICE" while doing it.

In regards to the man in the article, there are some places where you do not want to be in the custody of the police at all.  This includes if you have done nothing at all.

As someone up-thread mentioned, we have the wrong types of people in law enforcement.
 
2013-12-29 12:03:40 AM

vudukungfu: Troopers say 29-year-old Douglas Lydic, of Commodore, was handcuffed but not yet charged while they searched a scene in his hometown for drugs Sunday night.
Police have yet to charge him in that case but say he climbed out a cruiser window while cuffed and wound up at his girlfriend's home miles away.
Court records don't list an attorney for Lydic, who also faces a charge of escape at a preliminary hearing scheduled for Jan. 2.
He's been in the Indiana County Jail since he was re-arrested Monday morning at his girlfriend's home. She's being held on charges of hindering his apprehension by police.

Just how are you "arrested, but not charged?


Same way you can be charged for resisting arrest with no other charges to arrest you for.

Cause unlimited police power is what the Founding Fathers wanted.  Its not written, cause they were some commie liberals who need to write things down.
 
2013-12-29 12:05:18 AM

Saturn5: Arkanaut: Resisting arrest is a crime, I thought.

Don't they have to be arresting you for something in order for you to resist arrest?
I wonder about people charged with resisting arrest as the only charge.  Resisting what arrest?


I'm not a lawyer so I can't tell you how this is treated in the courts.  But even if it turns out there was no charge, I thought it's generally frowned upon to make their work harder than it is.
 
2013-12-29 12:05:28 AM

Danger Avoid Death: doglover: CruiserTwelve: It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.

Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.

I like police as a rule, and most of them, like the Staties, are professional. But America's legal system culture is way out of control. We have too many people in jail, too many crimes the cops can charge you with, and quite frankly the wrong sort of people in LEO.

We need more Andy Griffiths and a lot less Frank Castles.

Society had a crime problem. It hired cops to attack crime. Now society has a cop problem. -- Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker


So maybe we need some Chinese needle snakes?
 
2013-12-29 12:07:20 AM

doglover: CruiserTwelve: It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.

Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.


You're assuming they didn't just decide to keep the drugs themselves.
 
2013-12-29 12:08:53 AM

fusillade762: Danger Avoid Death: doglover: CruiserTwelve: It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.

Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.

I like police as a rule, and most of them, like the Staties, are professional. But America's legal system culture is way out of control. We have too many people in jail, too many crimes the cops can charge you with, and quite frankly the wrong sort of people in LEO.

We need more Andy Griffiths and a lot less Frank Castles.

Society had a crime problem. It hired cops to attack crime. Now society has a cop problem. -- Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker

So maybe we need some Chinese needle snakes?


And gorillas to eat the snakes!
 
2013-12-29 12:10:30 AM

megarian: torquestripe: Arkanaut: Resisting arrest is a crime, I thought.

You resist arrest if you are not yet arrested. He had clearly been arrested so he was resisting detention.
I truly do not know if this is a crime (resisting detention) in the state in which he was arrested.

Yikes.


What is the Yikes for?
Did an HOA rent-a-cop arrest him and then he was placed in a state patrol vehicle? A story earlier this week on FARK mentioned HOA rent-a-cops arresting people.
In a situation like that I could see no problem resisting detention.
You see, it is things like this that keep lawyers in this country awake at night, snorting HUGE amounts of cocaine.
 
2013-12-29 12:13:03 AM

CruiserTwelve: doglover: Did they have a warrant to search the home?

The article is lacking in detail. It says the cops were searching "a scene" without saying what the scene was. It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.


Don't make a scene.
 
2013-12-29 12:13:39 AM

CruiserTwelve: When an arrest is made without a warrant, the police have 72 hours to file charges.


Explain Guantanamo, then.
 
2013-12-29 12:14:21 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Don't make a scene.


and. . . scene.
 
2013-12-29 12:15:29 AM

vudukungfu: Troopers say 29-year-old Douglas Lydic, of Commodore, was handcuffed but not yet charged while they searched a scene in his hometown for drugs Sunday night.
Police have yet to charge him in that case but say he climbed out a cruiser window while cuffed and wound up at his girlfriend's home miles away.
Court records don't list an attorney for Lydic, who also faces a charge of escape at a preliminary hearing scheduled for Jan. 2.
He's been in the Indiana County Jail since he was re-arrested Monday morning at his girlfriend's home. She's being held on charges of hindering his apprehension by police.

Just how are you "arrested, but not charged?


I think the proper term is actually "detained".
 
2013-12-29 12:25:21 AM

vudukungfu: CruiserTwelve: He escaped before he could be taken to jail and charged with a crime.

Is that how it works in your universe?
Most of us expect to be charged with a crime at the time of Arrest. That way, we know we are receiving competent technical support from our compliance navigators.


You don't know what the merry fark you are talking about do you.
 
2013-12-29 12:29:30 AM
Regardless of the circumstances that led up to him being handcuffed in the cruiser, he should have had the sense not to climb out of the window and run off.
You can only lose by running from the police.
 
2013-12-29 12:30:53 AM
Make sure to charge his family for the cost of the bullet if you execute him for his heinous crimes, too, while you're at it.
 
2013-12-29 12:32:52 AM

vudukungfu: Troopers say 29-year-old Douglas Lydic, of Commodore, was handcuffed but not yet charged while they searched a scene in his hometown for drugs Sunday night.
Police have yet to charge him in that case but say he climbed out a cruiser window while cuffed and wound up at his girlfriend's home miles away.
Court records don't list an attorney for Lydic, who also faces a charge of escape at a preliminary hearing scheduled for Jan. 2.
He's been in the Indiana County Jail since he was re-arrested Monday morning at his girlfriend's home. She's being held on charges of hindering his apprehension by police.

Just how are you "arrested, but not charged?


Because, he's guilty of something.  Just give the police time to fabricate a good case.
 
2013-12-29 12:34:23 AM
He didn't ask for the cuffs.
He didn't want the cuffs.
But they gave him some anyway.
They didn't list any terms, conditions or time period in which to return the cuffs.

So as far as I can tell that's not stealing.  Case dismissed.
 
2013-12-29 12:36:34 AM

Danger Avoid Death: doglover: CruiserTwelve: It also doesn't say whether they found any drugs.

Yes it does. They're not charging him with drug stuff. QED.

I like police as a rule, and most of them, like the Staties, are professional. But America's legal system culture is way out of control. We have too many people in jail, too many crimes the cops can charge you with, and quite frankly the wrong sort of people in LEO.

We need more Andy Griffiths and a lot less Frank Castles.

Society had a crime problem. It hired cops to attack crime. Now society has a cop problem. -- Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker


If only we had men to watch the cops.  We could call them "watchmen" for short.
 
2013-12-29 12:42:08 AM
Handcuffs are only about $25 so he's only been charged with a misdemeanor.
 
2013-12-29 12:44:58 AM

Arkanaut: But even if it turns out there was no charge, I thought it's generally frowned upon to make their work harder than it is.


frowned on? by who, the cops who will beat your ass up. sure. there are no specific laws against making a cop's job difficult.

this crap about how we have to kowtow to the cops is bullshiat. respect is supposed to be earned and if they aren't earning it they don't get it. and no, simply wearing the uniform only gets you the first couple of minutes of being polite.

i've dealt with polite cops and impolite cops. the polite ones get my full cooperation. the impolite ones gets resistance. not "FU' resistance but foot dragging. argumentative  behavior. requests for what exact law is being broken. what many would deem insubordination. i'm not an ITG or 6'6" 250 with rock hard abs but ever since i got tired of being bullied it got hard to push me around. of course being white, upper middle class, well spoken all helps to.

spent an hour and a half one night in a TX DPS car discussing with the trooper just what did and didn't constitute "facts".  he kept telling me i was guilty of a crime and that was a "fact" while i reminded him that until the judge's gavel falls the "facts" are really up in the air.  we settled on him not really having enough to haul me off to jail. a day or so later i called him for a follow up and was told no one was coming after me but i'd remain the prime suspect due to "eye witness" statement. so case open but not being pursued and my name in the data base as a suspect. yeah legal system !!
 
2013-12-29 12:46:45 AM

DreamyAltarBoy: In San Jose CA people are charged with resisting arrest without an accompanying charge.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13686438


"Resisting Arrest" is a somewhat misleading title.  The crime refers to the act of resisting an officer's attempt to legally detain you.  Officers can detain you without arresting you, e.g. they have probable cause to think you have committed a crime and are attempting to search you to find said evidence/etc.  If you decide to be a douchebag and fight the cop on detaining you because you know you're innocent and f%$# you pig then it is quite possible to be charged with Resisting Arrest without any other charge.

Put it another way: the crime should be called "Resisting Legal Detainment" to match modern vocabulary.
 
2013-12-29 12:47:40 AM
Can't the police arrest you on suspicion of something or other and hold you for 72 hours without charging you?  Maybe I watch too much Law and Order

Book 'em Danno!
 
2013-12-29 12:50:40 AM
Appears to have been a search of his car, not his house:

At 7:45 p.m. Sunday, state police from the Indiana station found Douglas Lydic, 28, of Commodore, in a vehicle parked along Creek Road and he had suspected drugs in his possession, according to reports. Police said he was handcuffed and placed in a police cruiser while officers secured evidence at the scene.
Police said Lydic somehow managed to get the window down in the police vehicle and he crawled through the window and escaped.
About 11 a.m. Monday, Lydic was found and arrested by members of the State Police Fugitive Tracking Unit at his girlfriend's residence in White Township, according to reports. Police identified her as Tiffany White, 25, of 574 Ben Franklin Road.
Lydic was charged with theft of the handcuffs he had on, receiving stolen property and escape.
White was charged with hindering apprehension and prosecution.
They were placed in the Indiana County Jail. Lydic was held in lieu of $25,000 bond and White was held in lieu of $10,000 bond.


Since when was handcuffing someone while you search their car a thing?
 
2013-12-29 12:51:17 AM
Curious: ...

spent an hour and a half one night in a TX DPS car discussing with the trooper just what did and didn't constitute "facts".  he kept telling me i was guilty of a crime and that was a "fact" while i reminded him that until the judge's gavel falls the "facts" are really up in the air.  we settled on him not really having enough to haul me off to jail. a day or so later i called him for a follow up and was told no one was coming after me but i'd remain the prime suspect due to "eye witness" statement. so case open but not being pursued and my name in the data base as a suspect. yeah legal system !!


I want my PS4 back.
 
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