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(Computerworld)   Google Chromebook's success punches Microsoft in the gut, coming in as the first and second most popular laptops sold on Amazon over the holiday season. Tag is for Microsoft's stock price   (computerworld.com ) divider line
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2013-12-28 05:54:31 PM  
I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.
 
2013-12-28 06:10:05 PM  
 
2013-12-28 06:40:53 PM  

Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.


They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.
 
2013-12-28 06:55:08 PM  
You can have my gaming desktop when you pry it from my cold, dead, Cheetos-stained hands.
 
2013-12-28 07:00:32 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.


Seems like you understand them perfectly.
 
2013-12-28 07:02:00 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?


They're for people who buy a computer at Wal-Mart.  They're probably techno-subliterate, but know they should have a computer.  Or they've realized that their kid needs one if she's going to succeed in school.  It's not that they're stupid, just ignorant.

That said, I bought a netbook years ago to see how many ways I could hack it for little things like being a dedicated kitchen helper, music appliance, carputer, that sort of thing.
 
2013-12-28 07:03:37 PM  

PainInTheASP: And things aren't looking any better for the year ahead as PC vendors are gathering to gangfark the corpse at CES.


Wow.  They're really mad about Windows RT, aren't they?
 
2013-12-28 07:14:16 PM  
I really started cheering for the complete demise of Microsoft when they got those Pawn Stars twats to sell their products.
 
2013-12-28 07:44:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.


For what it's worth I got my mom a Win8 laptop to replace her old Mac Mini for $269.


ecmoRandomNumbers: I really started cheering for the complete demise of Microsoft when they got those Pawn Stars twats to sell their products.


They must also have some deal with CBS because I see Win8 on "Elementary" all the time.
 
2013-12-28 07:51:59 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: PainInTheASP: And things aren't looking any better for the year ahead as PC vendors are gathering to gangfark the corpse at CES.

Wow.  They're really mad about Windows RT, aren't they?


Gotta move the units somehow, because the manufacturing lines are already set up.  I wonder how many of them will be nothing more than re-branded RT form factors.  Probably most, considering that Microsoft took that billion-dollar hit..
 
2013-12-28 08:01:22 PM  
Who is buying these laptops that are less powerful and less useful than my phone? What year is it?
 
2013-12-28 08:06:56 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.


When I was in grad school last year a lot of people had them for the sole purpose of taking notes in class and typing papers.

I also have some photographer friends who use them on long trips to transfer photos from their cameras to an external HD so they don't have to bring a few dozen SD cards with them.
 
2013-12-28 08:15:20 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

They're for people who buy a computer at Wal-Mart.  They're probably techno-subliterate, but know they should have a computer.  Or they've realized that their kid needs one if she's going to succeed in school.  It's not that they're stupid, just ignorant.

That said, I bought a netbook years ago to see how many ways I could hack it for little things like being a dedicated kitchen helper, music appliance, carputer, that sort of thing.


I don't see why that's ignorant. If you're on a limited budget and just need something for accessing the internet, typing e-mails and drafting the occasional document, a Chromebook accomplishes all of that.

What's ignorant are the people who only do that with a computer but they still end up spending over $1k because they think they need 4GB+ of ram to watch a YouTube video.
 
2013-12-28 08:17:10 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I really started cheering for the complete demise of Microsoft when they got those Pawn Stars twats to sell their products.


Don't forget Hawaii Five-0.

/Masi Oka
//Ugh
 
2013-12-28 08:17:25 PM  

PainInTheASP: And things aren't looking any better for the year ahead as PC vendors are gathering to gangfark the corpse at CES.


This never would have happened in the good old days when Microsoft prohibited PC makers from installing OSs other than Windows, and paying for a Windows license per machine even if the PC didn't come with Windows.

In this case they should charge for the license for the primary Windows RT install and then for the Windows RT license for the Android install, and THEN charge the end user for not booting into Windows.
 
2013-12-28 08:32:47 PM  

thornhill: Benevolent Misanthrope: TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

They're for people who buy a computer at Wal-Mart.  They're probably techno-subliterate, but know they should have a computer.  Or they've realized that their kid needs one if she's going to succeed in school.  It's not that they're stupid, just ignorant.

That said, I bought a netbook years ago to see how many ways I could hack it for little things like being a dedicated kitchen helper, music appliance, carputer, that sort of thing.

I don't see why that's ignorant. If you're on a limited budget and just need something for accessing the internet, typing e-mails and drafting the occasional document, a Chromebook accomplishes all of that.

What's ignorant are the people who only do that with a computer but they still end up spending over $1k because they think they need 4GB+ of ram to watch a YouTube video.


No shiat.  My dad is extremely technically literate and he needed a machine just to browse the web, check email, and stream amazon prime videos.  The chromebook was exactly what he was looking for.
 
2013-12-28 08:35:39 PM  
CSB: My mother has now asked me "What do you think about Chromebooks?" three times now.  The answer is always the same: "You're going to be super pissed when you can't load Office onto it.  Stop trying to buy the cheapest laptop so I don't have to tell you the MB is shot and repairing it will cost more than a new one."

Yes I know, Google Drive.  But it's much easier than explaining the difference between the two OSs and why one's programs wont run on the other.
 
2013-12-28 08:43:24 PM  
Chromebooks and WinTabs sell well when somebody is buying them for somebody else. Soon to be regifted on your birthday.
 
2013-12-28 08:47:17 PM  

TheSwizz: CSB: My mother has now asked me "What do you think about Chromebooks?" three times now.  The answer is always the same: "You're going to be super pissed when you can't load Office onto it.  Stop trying to buy the cheapest laptop so I don't have to tell you the MB is shot and repairing it will cost more than a new one."

Yes I know, Google Drive.  But it's much easier than explaining the difference between the two OSs and why one's programs wont run on the other.


Why does you technically illiterate mother think she needs Office?

Anyhow, I'm sure her Windows laptop will be unusable due to viruses, malware, and adware long before the motherboard goes out.  Windows maintenance is such an insane timesuck that Windows is only worth the money if your time is worthless.
 
2013-12-28 08:47:54 PM  
Gee, the $199 and $249 machines outsold the $349 machine.

I wonder why?
 
2013-12-28 08:57:58 PM  

The Larch: TheSwizz: CSB: My mother has now asked me "What do you think about Chromebooks?" three times now.  The answer is always the same: "You're going to be super pissed when you can't load Office onto it.  Stop trying to buy the cheapest laptop so I don't have to tell you the MB is shot and repairing it will cost more than a new one."

Yes I know, Google Drive.  But it's much easier than explaining the difference between the two OSs and why one's programs wont run on the other.

Why does you technically illiterate mother think she needs Office?

Anyhow, I'm sure her Windows laptop will be unusable due to viruses, malware, and adware long before the motherboard goes out.  Windows maintenance is such an insane timesuck that Windows is only worth the money if your time is worthless.


Business.  Business with a large company.  Business with a large company that was using IE6 3 years ago.
 
2013-12-28 09:07:55 PM  
I dunno about you guys, but I've never seen somebody with a Chromebook that wasn't in a store. Seen lots people with Windows and Apple Laptops, assloads of tablets of all varieties  but never a Chromebook. Sure I wanted a Chromebook years ago, lots of people wanted one but that was only when they were handing them out for free.
 
2013-12-28 09:15:29 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.


I could sort of see Windows RT working as a Chromebook competitor if they priced and positioned it right. Combine a quad-core ARM processor with a thin and light chassis featuring a decent screen and good keyboard for around $200-$300 and you would have a really nice productivity machine with full Office and all-day battery life. The problem with the Surface is that the add on keyboards aren't all that great for typing, hampering productivity, but a chassis like the ones used for Chromebooks would be a LOT better.
 
2013-12-28 09:15:41 PM  

flemardo: I dunno about you guys, but I've never seen somebody with a Chromebook that wasn't in a store. Seen lots people with Windows and Apple Laptops, assloads of tablets of all varieties  but never a Chromebook. Sure I wanted a Chromebook years ago, lots of people wanted one but that was only when they were handing them out for free.


Because they're like fat chicks:  Fun when you're alone at home, but you don't want to be seen in public with one.
 
2013-12-28 09:15:57 PM  
I bought one for my kid for the sole reason that his school uses Google apps and Google drive for everything.  And since it's not Windows, it's limited in what can be installed on it (i.e. games).  The Chromebook is purely for his schoolwork, and he has a PC I built for doing fun stuff on.
 
2013-12-28 09:19:06 PM  

flemardo: I dunno about you guys, but I've never seen somebody with a Chromebook that wasn't in a store. Seen lots people with Windows and Apple Laptops, assloads of tablets of all varieties  but never a Chromebook. Sure I wanted a Chromebook years ago, lots of people wanted one but that was only when they were handing them out for free.


I know two people who have them and they love them as second computers. They both have laptops and/or desktops for work, but they use them for skyping with g'ma from the baby's room, finding out who that actor was in that show, looking up recipes in the kitchen, etc. Can these things be done with an Android tablet? Yes, certainly. But they both prefer the laptop form factor over a  tablet, plus the real keyboard vs. virtual.
 
2013-12-28 09:31:40 PM  

Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.

I could sort of see Windows RT working as a Chromebook competitor if they priced and positioned it right. Combine a quad-core ARM processor with a thin and light chassis featuring a decent screen and good keyboard for around $200-$300 and you would have a really nice productivity machine with full Office and all-day battery life. The problem with the Surface is that the add on keyboards aren't all that great for typing, hampering productivity, but a chassis like the ones used for Chromebooks would be a LOT better.


I think the better solution is to do away with Windows RT altogether.  Replace the base level Surface with one running Intel Atom chips and the full version of Windows 8, and keep the Intel Core iSeries chips in the Surface Pro.

Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.
 
2013-12-28 09:38:32 PM  

flemardo: I dunno about you guys, but I've never seen somebody with a Chromebook that wasn't in a store. Seen lots people with Windows and Apple Laptops, assloads of tablets of all varieties  but never a Chromebook. Sure I wanted a Chromebook years ago, lots of people wanted one but that was only when they were handing them out for free.


I see them all the time at coffee shops. It used to be a lot of MacBooks and Dell laptops. Now it's MacBook Pros, iPads and Chromebooks.
 
2013-12-28 09:47:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.


Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here.

One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended.

/Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.
 
2013-12-28 09:48:01 PM  
Yeah, I'm guessing it mostly comes down to price.  I've played around with Chrome OS multiple times, but I think it's far too limited to be a real option for a lot of people.  Yes, it will do the basic stuff -- email, Internet, Facebook, Twitter, etc.  But as soon as you want to do something more substantial than that, most tablets and things like Chromebooks simply aren't good enough.

Granted, when friends and family have come to me asking for advice on a laptop, I tell them point blank, if they don't have at least a $500 budget, then the quality of laptop they're looking at is going to be pretty bad.  In that case, it's probably better getting a tablet of some type, unless there's some really good reason why they have to have a laptop, which again, when working with a sub $500 budget, is rare.
 
2013-12-28 09:54:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: I am a big proponent of most things Google, but Chromebooks kinda suck. I think a lot of people who are getting "a really cheap laptop" are going to be disappointed with the netbook.

They're barely even netbooks.  Most netbooks at least had halfway decent local storage and ran a full OS.

I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?

I also don't buy that this is an indictment against Windows 8.  These sold because they're extremely cheap.  MS isn't designing an OS for computers that sell new for $199.


Most people don't need much more than to browse and read their e-mail.

The problem, from Microsoft's perspective is that Windows 8 has scared off EXACTLY THAT CONSUMER from buying a Windows machine, so they look at the alternative and see something cheap that does what they need it to do, and they don't have to mess with the Metro UI. The consumer figures, "if I have to learn something new, why not go with something cheaper, too?"

The lesson is: Don't fark with your customers. Listen to them, instead.
 
2013-12-28 09:57:42 PM  

gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.

Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here.

One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended.

/Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.


Apple isn't going to take over the meat of the PC industry.  The cheapest Mac is a $600 Mac Mini, and then you have to spend another $50 for an external DVD burner.  You can buy a desktop with similar specs for a couple hundred less.  The iMac starts at $1,300, you can easily buy a tower and a monitor of similar quality for several hundred less.

MS powered PCs still win in most segments in terms of price and flexibility.  I don't see the majority of people completely replacing their PCs with tablets or Chromebooks.

Right now PC growth has stagnated, but that's due to near universal adoption and hardware advancing faster than the applications have demanded.  Tablets aren't replacing PCs, they're being added as additional devices.  Once everyone has a tablet the growth will slow there too.
 
2013-12-28 10:01:40 PM  
Circa 2009 I got a $225 netbook that was pretty good, especially when I got an aftermarket battery that upped the battery time to about 7 hours.  It's pretty good for a grab-and-go type of portability.

Now it's sort of weak, especially in play H.264 videos, so I wouldn't mind upgrading to the where Moore's law should place one today, a few doubles in CPU power.

But they don't seem to be out there.  That form factor seems to be sticking at single core Atom cpu power.

I still use my 2009 netbook.  I just use my Xeon server to transcode to MPEG2.

Now Chromebooks are at that pricing point.  But they really make you dependent on cloud resources.  And I don't want to be tethered all the time.  Or pwned that much by Google.
 
2013-12-28 10:01:41 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Yeah, I'm guessing it mostly comes down to price.  I've played around with Chrome OS multiple times, but I think it's far too limited to be a real option for a lot of people.  Yes, it will do the basic stuff -- email, Internet, Facebook, Twitter, etc.  But as soon as you want to do something more substantial than that, most tablets and things like Chromebooks simply aren't good enough.

Granted, when friends and family have come to me asking for advice on a laptop, I tell them point blank, if they don't have at least a $500 budget, then the quality of laptop they're looking at is going to be pretty bad.  In that case, it's probably better getting a tablet of some type, unless there's some really good reason why they have to have a laptop, which again, when working with a sub $500 budget, is rare.


I've been buying Toshiba laptops for years and never came close to paying $500 for one. Of course that's online. Last one came with Windows 8, did a cheap upgrade to 8 GB Ram, still not near $500.
 
2013-12-28 10:04:42 PM  
i'm fairly tech literate and i'm reading this from my new chromebook so i'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-12-28 10:07:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.

Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here.

One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended.

/Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.

Apple isn't going to take over the meat of the PC industry.   The cheapest Mac is a $600 Mac Mini, and then you have to spend another $50 for an external DVD burner. You can buy a desktop with similar specs for a couple hundred less.  The iMac starts at $1,300, you can easily buy a tower and a monitor of similar quality for several hundred less.

MS powered PCs still win in most segments in terms of price and flexibility.  I don't see the majority of people completely replacing their PCs with tablets or Chromebooks.

Right now PC growth has stagnated, but that's due to near universal adoption and hardware advancing faster than the applications have demanded.  Tablets aren't replacing PCs, they're being added as additional devices.  Once everyone has a tablet the growth will slow there too.


I'm pretty confident that I haven't burnt a DVD in the last four years, and haven't used the drive at all in the last 2. All the software I purchase can be downloaded; for transferring files I use Dropbox or USB drives. For most people a DVD drive is a waste of money.
 
2013-12-28 10:12:23 PM  

thornhill: TuteTibiImperes: gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.

Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here.

One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended.

/Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.

Apple isn't going to take over the meat of the PC industry.   The cheapest Mac is a $600 Mac Mini, and then you have to spend another $50 for an external DVD burner.  You can buy a desktop with similar specs for a couple hundred less.  The iMac starts at $1,300, you can easily buy a tower and a monitor of similar quality for several hundred less.

MS powered PCs still win in most segments in terms of price and flexibility.  I don't see the majority of people completely replacing their PCs with tablets or Chromebooks.

Right now PC growth has stagnated, but that's due to near universal adoption and hardware advancing faster than the applications have demanded.  Tablets aren't replacing PCs, they're being added as additional devices.  Once everyone has a tablet the growth will slow there too.

I'm pretty confident that I haven't burnt a DVD in the last four years, and haven't used the drive at all in the last 2. All the software I purchase can be downloaded; for transferring files I use Dropbox or USB drives. For most people a DVD drive is a waste of money.




Porn, he obviously collects a lot of porn.
 
2013-12-28 10:15:55 PM  

gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price. Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here. One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended. /Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.


In the business world, MS Excel still rules. Microsofts refusal to allow an Android or iOS version will hurt them in the long term.
 
2013-12-28 10:40:00 PM  

thornhill: TuteTibiImperes: gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.

Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here.

One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended.

/Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.

Apple isn't going to take over the meat of the PC industry.   The cheapest Mac is a $600 Mac Mini, and then you have to spend another $50 for an external DVD burner.  You can buy a desktop with similar specs for a couple hundred less.  The iMac starts at $1,300, you can easily buy a tower and a monitor of similar quality for several hundred less.

MS powered PCs still win in most segments in terms of price and flexibility.  I don't see the majority of people completely replacing their PCs with tablets or Chromebooks.

Right now PC growth has stagnated, but that's due to near universal adoption and hardware advancing faster than the applications have demanded.  Tablets aren't replacing PCs, they're being added as additional devices.  Once everyone has a tablet the growth will slow there too.

I'm pretty confident that I haven't burnt a DVD in the last four years, and haven't used the drive at all in the last 2. All the software I purchase can be downloaded; for transferring files I use Dropbox or USB drives. For most people a DVD drive is a waste of money.


I don't use it often, but I want to know it's there when I do want to use it.  If I need to give documents too big to e-mail to someone it's no big deal to give them a CD or DVD, but I'm not going to give away thumb drives.  Plus, if I want to rip DVDs onto my computer, I'd at least need a DVD reader, and since no one makes standalone readers that I can tell, might as well go for a writer.
 
2013-12-28 10:41:10 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: thornhill: TuteTibiImperes: gingerjet: TuteTibiImperes: Yes, they won't get it down to the price to compete with the chromebooks, but I don't think they need to.  Let Google have the sub-$400 mobile market segment and sell the Surfaces on value and capability instead of price.

Amazon and Samsung will eat up the sub-$400 mobile market segment and Apple will take everything else.  I'm not seeing a place for Microsoft here.

One of the things (and long overdue) Apple and Google really did was to show the world it didn't need Microsoft's Office applications anymore.  Once that happened Microsofts grip on the enduser ended.

/Microsoft should just rebrand as an enterprise application company and be done with it.

Apple isn't going to take over the meat of the PC industry.   The cheapest Mac is a $600 Mac Mini, and then you have to spend another $50 for an external DVD burner.  You can buy a desktop with similar specs for a couple hundred less.  The iMac starts at $1,300, you can easily buy a tower and a monitor of similar quality for several hundred less.

MS powered PCs still win in most segments in terms of price and flexibility.  I don't see the majority of people completely replacing their PCs with tablets or Chromebooks.

Right now PC growth has stagnated, but that's due to near universal adoption and hardware advancing faster than the applications have demanded.  Tablets aren't replacing PCs, they're being added as additional devices.  Once everyone has a tablet the growth will slow there too.

I'm pretty confident that I haven't burnt a DVD in the last four years, and haven't used the drive at all in the last 2. All the software I purchase can be downloaded; for transferring files I use Dropbox or USB drives. For most people a DVD drive is a waste of money.

I don't use it often, but I want to know it's there when I do want to use it.  If I need to give documents too big to e-mail to someone it's no big deal to give them a CD or DVD, but I'm not going to give away thumb drives.  Plus, if I want to rip DVDs onto my computer, I'd at least need a DVD reader, and since no one makes standalone readers that I can tell, might as well go for a writer.


That's what Dropbox is for.
 
2013-12-28 10:41:28 PM  
UNIX rocked in 1980, and it still rocks today.

Android is where it is at.
 
2013-12-28 11:11:20 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Plus, if I want to rip DVDs onto my computer, I'd at least need a DVD reader, and since no one makes standalone readers that I can tell, might as well go for a writer.


There's tons of external DVD Reader/Writers. They're dirt cheap too.
Here's a Samsung I got a while back going for $36.40
 
2013-12-28 11:12:54 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Porn, he obviously collects a lot of porn.


Even at that.  A big-old 250-disc Case Logic binder full of burned DVDs is around a terabyte of data.  Or... you could get that terabyte on an $70 external terabyte drive, instant access to any spot on it, back it up to a second drive in a couple hours, and, most importantly,  not spend 60+ waking hours burning discs.  I know.  I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours burning CDs/DVDs in my life and then tossing them.  They're dead.

The only reason is what <a target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" www.fark.com="" users="" tutetibiimperes"="">TuteTibiImperes above suggests... handing some data to someone, and being too cheap to hand them a $4 (4gb sticks/SD cards in bulk) device.
 
2013-12-28 11:15:32 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't really understand the point of Chromebooks.  The hardware, pricing, and OS all scream tablet, but it has a laptop form factor.  Are they just for people who would rather have a keyboard than a touch screen?


I've always thought they were for Grandma Ethel who just wants something to check the e-mail and the Facebook.  IIRC they work off 3G connections so they're ideal for someone who may not be savvy enough to set up their own internet connection.

That said, I'd be curious to see hear read why Hugh2d2 bought a Chromebook and whether it's worked out as advertised.
 
2013-12-28 11:23:01 PM  
Laugh at chromebooks all you want.

They run faster than the malware-infested PCs I spend every holiday cleaning up for my family.
 
2013-12-28 11:25:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: UNIX rocked in 1980, and it still rocks today.


homes.cs.washington.edu

UNIX was shiat in 1980.  A cobbled-together security nightmare that would fall apart at the drop of a hat.  There have been some improvements, notably in the shell, but the fact that it's viewed so highly today really speaks to how far other systems have fallen or become obsolete, rather than any improvement in the UNIX system itself.

Back in the day, we had MULTICS, VMS and Symbolics Genera, which had sensible things like internal commands, garbage collection, wildcard expansion that's not intercepted by the shell (I think), security models that are more robust than Simon Says...

/Does
!xxx%s%s%s%s%s%s%s%s
still crash csh?
 
2013-12-28 11:31:39 PM  
TFA: By NPD's tallies, Chromebooks accounted for 21% of all U.S. commercial notebook sales in 2013 through November

Scary for Microsoft's stock price indeed.

Once the Windows Monopoly is dead, Office is not far behind.
 
2013-12-28 11:38:57 PM  

andrewagill: UNIX was shiat in 1980.  A cobbled-together security nightmare that would fall apart at the drop of a hat.  There have been some improvements, notably in the shell, but the fact that it's viewed so highly today really speaks to how far other systems have fallen or become obsolete, rather than any improvement in the UNIX system itself.


Yeah, operating systems have deteriorated terribly, that's why nobody uses computers these days.
 
2013-12-28 11:43:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: but I'm not going to give away thumb drives.


It's getting close to the point you can do that.  Amazon has 128MB drives for 2.85, 256MB at 3 bucks, and 512MB at 3.50.
 
2013-12-28 11:48:26 PM  

jaytkay: andrewagill: UNIX was shiat in 1980.  A cobbled-together security nightmare that would fall apart at the drop of a hat.  There have been some improvements, notably in the shell, but the fact that it's viewed so highly today really speaks to how far other systems have fallen or become obsolete, rather than any improvement in the UNIX system itself.

Yeah, operating systems have deteriorated terribly, that's why nobody uses computers these days.


The moral of the story is not that operating systems have deteriorated, but rather that what makes an operating system successful isn't how technologically advanced or secure it is.  We've always had crappy operating systems; it's just that the good ones didn't succeed.
 
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