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(Times Herald-Record)   EMT suspended for taking a sick 4-year-old boy to the hospital   (recordonline.com) divider line 139
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2013-12-28 05:50:37 PM
"This is the type of story that the public doesn't need to be told,"

i44.tinypic.com

Move along. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-12-28 05:55:28 PM
He'll win.
 
2013-12-28 06:23:44 PM

fusillade762: "This is the type of story that the public doesn't need to be told,"


The public pays for the service. So yes, yes they do.
 
2013-12-28 06:27:00 PM
88
 
2013-12-28 06:27:28 PM
yay government
 
2013-12-28 06:28:13 PM
"People shouldn't have to suffer over policy."

Get with the program, bud. Forcing people to suffer over policy is the New York way.
 
2013-12-28 06:32:54 PM

Gulper Eel: "People shouldn't have to suffer over policy."

Get with the program, bud. Forcing people to suffer over policy is the New York  American way.


Seriously. The order is like this:

Priority #1: Profit
Priority #2: Cover Your Ass
Priority #3: Maybe help some people sometimes?
 
2013-12-28 06:34:33 PM

BravadoGT: yay government


Of course, if he hadn't responded, they could have been sued and lost their CON.
 
2013-12-28 06:35:57 PM
Oh, and he's the squad captain. fark those guys.
 
2013-12-28 06:37:39 PM
"Sawyer, who's also a volunteer firefighter and a part-time police officer in two Ulster County departments ..."

apparently he's not a very good cop either or he'd have tazed the kid when the kid refused not to make any sudden movements.
 
2013-12-28 06:38:04 PM

fusillade762: "This is the type of story that the public doesn't need to be told,"



Move along. Nothing to see here.


Need to animate that pic


/it's a good thing the boy wasn't wearing a toga stabbing a ceaser-like man in the park
 
2013-12-28 06:38:24 PM
Twenty is not too old to learn, "no good deed goes unpunished."  And for the board members, Karma's a biatch.  You'll need something, somewhere, sometime, and a fanatic for rules and zero tolerance will be your reward.
 
2013-12-28 06:40:53 PM
You have to be 21 because one time a 20 year old killed 85 people.  The lawsuit was not pretty.  No matter what, this was ending in a lawsuit.
 
2013-12-28 06:46:30 PM

BravadoGT: yay government


It's a volunteer squad and doesn't appear to be ran by the government. Don't let that stop your derp, though
 
2013-12-28 06:51:25 PM
...actually, it sounds like he also left his post unattended?


Sawyer, who was alone at headquarters, put in a call to the Kerhonkson Accord First Aid Squad, but they were busy on another call.

and then

Sawyer got in the ambulance

So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?
 
2013-12-28 06:51:31 PM
Welcome to the world we live in folks no good deed goes unpunnished and doing the right thing all the time turns you into a martyr instead of a hero, which this man clearly is.

Good for you bud I'll have a drink for ya
 
2013-12-28 06:54:50 PM

Lord Dimwit: So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?


So are you more worried about a real sick 4 year old or a possible maybe call coming in?

twit
 
2013-12-28 06:55:44 PM

Gulper Eel: "People shouldn't have to suffer over policy."

Get with the program, bud. Forcing people to suffer over policy is the New York way.


THIS
 
2013-12-28 06:56:42 PM

Lord Dimwit: ...actually, it sounds like he also left his post unattended?


Sawyer, who was alone at headquarters, put in a call to the Kerhonkson Accord First Aid Squad, but they were busy on another call.

and then

Sawyer got in the ambulance

So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?


Kind of a tough one, but what would it matter if he was the only one there and no one else could drive an ambulance anyways?  Because i'd want to be on the other end of that line getting told, "Sorry, but there's no one else here and i'll send an ambulance as soon as one comes back!".  Of course the collective wit of Fark would come back with:

"Well then get your ass in an ambulance and get the hell over here right now!"

...and so there you have it.
 
2013-12-28 07:00:49 PM
So, I have javascript disabled, and when I hit the tab this story opened, I saw a photo & the text of the article, then it all suddenly disappears in the frame and a whiny javascript required message covers it all.  Yeah, no.  fark you recordonline.  If your damn site requires javascript, how come I could see the article?

\biatch biatch moan moan
 
2013-12-28 07:01:30 PM

mrlewish: Lord Dimwit: So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?

So are you more worried about a real sick 4 year old or a possible maybe call coming in?

twit


Go a step further, HOW could the same ambulance respond to two different calls?
My guess is that these small 911s bounce to the next nearest, given that they already have to call around to see if there are other ambulances available for a call.

Maybe something as simple as call forwarding? Who knows.
This shiat isnt rocket science.

PLUS, why is the DIMWIT assuming that the CALL for an ambulance came direct? Rather than from the 911 call center?
 
2013-12-28 07:01:33 PM

mrlewish: Lord Dimwit: So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?

So are you more worried about a real sick 4 year old or a possible maybe call coming in?

twit


Also completely ignorant about modern phone technology. You can transfer the office phones to your cel with the push of a few buttons.
 
2013-12-28 07:06:53 PM
To be serious for a moment, the point of rules is to make life better -- don't drive against traffic, don't kill, only adults can vote, etc.  But sometimes, a rule objectively and clearly makes life worse -- don't drive a kid to the hospital because you're one year too young.  That is the time to bend the rules, and if need be, break them and make better ones.
 
2013-12-28 07:11:00 PM

Lord Dimwit: I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?


From their website http://www.ellenvillerescue.com/ :
"The Basic Life Support (BLS) function is staffed by volunteer Emergency Medical Technicians (EMT's), drivers and crew members. The Advanced Life Support (ALS) function is staffed by paid, career paramedics. "

Volunteer's are typically issued pagers and/or radios. Pure volunteers departments are generally unmanned, with people responding to the station for calls.
 
2013-12-28 07:11:33 PM
He has no place in healthcare, healthcare is a business.  Its not about helping people.  If you want to help people then move to canada where doing such things is still allowed.
 
2013-12-28 07:12:02 PM

mrlewish: Lord Dimwit: So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?

So are you more worried about a real sick 4 year old or a possible maybe call coming in?

twit


A call that, based on his repeated requests to multiple outfits, would not have been possible to respond..
 
2013-12-28 07:16:18 PM
From TFA:

The suspension Sawyer was offered came from a "culmination of different incidents" in which he violated policies and bylaws as well as other aspects of the Dec. 11 call, Gavaris says. He says he can't elaborate on those incidents.

And if those 'incidents' involve him violating policies anything like this one, then Gavaris can go right to hell.  Responding to being called out on your assholishness by dragging the guy's name through the mud is sub-human.
 
2013-12-28 07:17:56 PM

Lord Dimwit: ...actually, it sounds like he also left his post unattended?


Sawyer, who was alone at headquarters, put in a call to the Kerhonkson Accord First Aid Squad, but they were busy on another call.

and then

Sawyer got in the ambulance

So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?


I'll bite.

What stupid sh*t for brains twatwaffle f*ckstick did their scheduling that they didn't have someone to drive AND answer a f*cking goddamned piece of sh*t can't c*nt motherf*cking phone? And is that person going to be fired for being stupider than a kosher bacon tampon?
 
2013-12-28 07:26:13 PM

Tio_Holtzmann: Lord Dimwit: ...actually, it sounds like he also left his post unattended?


Sawyer, who was alone at headquarters, put in a call to the Kerhonkson Accord First Aid Squad, but they were busy on another call.

and then

Sawyer got in the ambulance

So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?

I'll bite.

What stupid sh*t for brains twatwaffle f*ckstick did their scheduling that they didn't have someone to drive AND answer a f*cking goddamned piece of sh*t can't c*nt motherf*cking phone? And is that person going to be fired for being stupider than a kosher bacon tampon?


You seem miffed.
 
2013-12-28 07:26:57 PM
somemoron
So, I have javascript disabled, and when I hit the tab this story opened, I saw a photo & the text of the article, then it all suddenly disappears in the frame and a whiny javascript required message covers it all. Yeah, no. fark you recordonline. If your damn site requires javascript, how come I could see the article?


Do you use noscript?
If so, you might want to (literally) check this setting:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-28 07:27:55 PM
Rules are their for a reason but on occasion there are good reasons to make exceptions, this is one of them.

At most this guy should have been given an official reprimand in private and keep it that way, after what he did he is a hero in the eyes of many , coming down hard on him is only going to make you look like an asshat.
 
2013-12-28 07:28:31 PM

Tio_Holtzmann: Lord Dimwit: ...actually, it sounds like he also left his post unattended?


Sawyer, who was alone at headquarters, put in a call to the Kerhonkson Accord First Aid Squad, but they were busy on another call.

and then

Sawyer got in the ambulance

So...he was alone at headquarters, and decided to leave to drive an ambulance. I realize that he was doing so to help a 4 year old, but...who was answering calls for ambulances in the meantime?

I'll bite.

What stupid sh*t for brains twatwaffle f*ckstick did their scheduling that they didn't have someone to drive AND answer a f*cking goddamned piece of sh*t can't c*nt motherf*cking phone? And is that person going to be fired for being stupider than a kosher bacon tampon?


mmmmm. Kosher bacon tampons.
 
2013-12-28 07:31:32 PM
The evils of a sue-happy world. Notice the reference to "it's not covered by insurance"? If you're a parent and your kid is almost dying, you wouldn't really care who the driver is or what his qualifications are as long as he gets you to the hospital in one piece. This is the kind of situation where you can simply ask the patient or the family to sign an "I won't sue you if things go wrong, I know that there is a rule that's being broken but I'm still taking a risk" kind of document.
 
2013-12-28 07:33:48 PM

somemoron: So, I have javascript disabled, and when I hit the tab this story opened, I saw a photo & the text of the article, then it all suddenly disappears in the frame and a whiny javascript required message covers it all.  Yeah, no.  fark you recordonline.  If your damn site requires javascript, how come I could see the article?

\biatch biatch moan moan


Well, at least your screen name is appropriate.
 
2013-12-28 07:35:21 PM

sharphead: Kind of a tough one, but what would it matter if he was the only one there and no one else could drive an ambulance anyways?


Well what really matters is it sounds like he took matters into his own hands instead of escalating to someone with authority (ie, calling and waking up his boss) Also that he didn't just accept his suspension and get on with life, speaks something about his judgement as well.
 
2013-12-28 07:35:28 PM
FTFA: "This is the type of story that the public doesn't need to be told," Gavaris said. "There's no value in this story other than shock value and gossip."

That's a money shot quote. The kind that will get you dragged in front of your own supervisors too. Imagine if a public spokesperson ever dared say this.
 
2013-12-28 07:36:06 PM
Voice of doom, thanks for the noscript advice.
 
2013-12-28 07:38:20 PM

gibbon1: Also that he didn't just accept his suspension and get on with life


Usually when a person resigns in front of a board it means you are getting on with your life. Its not the 20-yr old's fault that someone else posted the story and it went viral. Why an EMT service policy creates  a squad captain that can't drive a damned ambulance should be the actual policy question here.
 
2013-12-28 07:43:46 PM
"The suspension Sawyer was offered came from a "culmination of different incidents" in which he violated policies and bylaws as well as other aspects of the Dec. 11 call, Gavaris says. He says he can't elaborate on those incidents. "

Then do not cite them in an attempt to strengthen your argument.
 
2013-12-28 07:48:12 PM
Good on the reporter for not letting the amby official hide behind the bullshiat "personnel" excuse. He got the guy talking about their idiotic policies. What's this guy supposed to do, listen to increasingly frantic scanner calls and sit on his ass? Isn't it law in some states that if you have the requisite medical training, you have to respond or else be charged?
If that's the case, the policy is out of order, the whole damn system is out of order!
 
2013-12-28 07:55:01 PM
The suspension Sawyer was offered came from a "culmination of different incidents" in which he violated policies and bylaws as well as other aspects of the Dec. 11 call, Gavaris says.

[80s Action Music]

So he's a loose cannon, playing by his own rules on the mean streets, and the chief is sick of defending his screwball antics to the Commisioner.

[/80s Action Music]

/fires 2 guns whilst jumping sideways
 
2013-12-28 08:04:01 PM

Son of Thunder: The suspension Sawyer was offered came from a "culmination of different incidents" in which he violated policies and bylaws as well as other aspects of the Dec. 11 call, Gavaris says.

[80s Action Music]

So he's a loose cannon, playing by his own rules on the mean streets, and the chief is sick of defending his screwball antics to the Commisioner.

[/80s Action Music]

/fires 2 guns whilst jumping sideways


It's because he gets results, you stupid chief!
 
2013-12-28 08:06:46 PM
Sounds like Garvaris would make a great modern school administrator.   He is an asshat, and should feel bad.

Seems like Sawyer has a tremendous amount of energy and drive to serve others.  Good on him for doing the right thing under difficult circumstances, as the immediate crisis demanded it.

Hey, Gavaris,
shard3.1stdibs.us.com
 
2013-12-28 08:07:30 PM
So he's an ambulance driver/met at two seperate companies, a volunteer fire fighter and a cop?
 
2013-12-28 08:07:43 PM

Somacandra: gibbon1: Also that he didn't just accept his suspension and get on with life

Usually when a person resigns in front of a board it means you are getting on with your life. Its not the 20-yr old's fault that someone else posted the story and it went viral. Why an EMT service policy creates  a squad captain that can't drive a damned ambulance should be the actual policy question here.


He IS getting on with his life. Dude likes sirens. Just means he has more time for the 9 or 10 other things he's doing with his life.

Although, the fact that he has that many irons in the fire (no pun intended) tends to make me think he may be one cape short of Kick Ass, Didn't go to the military because they only want you to do one thing. He wants to do ALL the things.
 
2013-12-28 08:13:43 PM

Somacandra: gibbon1: Also that he didn't just accept his suspension and get on with life

Usually when a person resigns in front of a board it means you are getting on with your life. Its not the 20-yr old's fault that someone else posted the story and it went viral. Why an EMT service policy creates  a squad captain that can't drive a damned ambulance should be the actual policy question here.


They removed him from a youth commission he started an had been working on for 5 years too. That seem like. Big th from th e board. Dude has 2 other jobs. Telling them you are moving on if this is how they are going to handle the situation seems like the adult decision here.
 
2013-12-28 08:38:11 PM
Qualifier here, Paramedic and Supervisory type

Ok we are talking about this from this point of view. Now lets look at it from the other point of view, The kid drives lights and sirens while unlicensed to the scene, this being the most dangerous part of the job, and kills a family doing it. The service is ruined. Kid is in prison. Oh and no one responds to the kid because they are dealing with the major accident he caused, Should have called mutual aid for the call,
 
2013-12-28 08:48:09 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Qualifier here, Paramedic and Supervisory type

Ok we are talking about this from this point of view. Now lets look at it from the other point of view, The kid drives lights and sirens while unlicensed to the scene, this being the most dangerous part of the job, and kills a family doing it. The service is ruined. Kid is in prison. Oh and no one responds to the kid because they are dealing with the major accident he caused, Should have called mutual aid for the call,


why do you think he is unlicenced? he is a driver for another service. Im not sure any part of your scenerio is affected at all based on him being 20 or 21.
 
2013-12-28 08:52:25 PM
Never do the right thing. Ever.
Abide by company, corporate, city, county, government policies. Always!

And when it involves kids? Never, never assist in finding their parents when they're lost, hurt You will be sent to prison.
See a person burning in a car? You will be sued if you bust their shoulder trying to pull them out.
See granny fall down and can't get up?...etc..etc
 
2013-12-28 08:53:53 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: Qualifier here, Paramedic and Supervisory type

Ok we are talking about this from this point of view. Now lets look at it from the other point of view, The kid drives lights and sirens while unlicensed to the scene, this being the most dangerous part of the job, and kills a family doing it. The service is ruined. Kid is in prison. Oh and no one responds to the kid because they are dealing with the major accident he caused, Should have called mutual aid for the call,



If you're really a supervisor you should be smart enough to check the article and realise he already has experience driving ambulances and firetrucks.
 
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