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(The Atlantic)   Coffee is not bad for children. So drink up, kids, and ride the java dragon   (theatlantic.com) divider line 59
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2013-12-28 03:34:03 PM
"Children 'brought up' on Postum are free from the evil effects of caffeine-the habit-forming drug-in coffee and tea," a 1910 ad informed parents, beginning a pitch that would probably go over fairly well with many a Whole Foods shopper today.

Pfft. Today's Whole Foods shoppers would tell you Postum is horrible because it has genetically modified gluten.
 
2013-12-28 03:41:53 PM
Caffeine is an addictive, psychoactive stimulant, end of story.
 
2013-12-28 03:43:02 PM
Study brought to you by Starbucks
 
2013-12-28 03:43:42 PM

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"This is our chance, Dee Dee! Um....You go first."

 
2013-12-28 03:44:42 PM
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What kids riding the java dragon may look like.
 
2013-12-28 03:44:54 PM
Nice straw-man argument, there.

Premise A: A coffee substitute was marketed on the premise that coffee is bad for children
Corollary to Premise A: There were no scientific studies of said coffee substitute
Premise B: Said coffee substitute doesn't sell well anymore

Therefore
Coffee is not bad for children.
 
2013-12-28 03:45:13 PM
I always thought the idea that coffee being bad for children was bunk.  Especially when you have parents who are more than willing to allow their cabbage to consume copious amounts of things like soda and Red Bull.

Because we all know that soda and Red Bull are just SO healthy for you; and aren't major contributors to the serious obesity issue we have in this country.

/a normal cup of coffee contains LESS than 20 calories per serving.  A regular soda has nearly 200.
 
2013-12-28 03:45:55 PM
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Paging Mr. Coffee Nerves to the thread. Mr. Coffe Nerves.
 
2013-12-28 03:50:34 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: I always thought the idea that coffee being bad for children was bunk.  Especially when you have parents who are more than willing to allow their cabbage to consume copious amounts of things like soda and Red Bull.


"Honey, don't drink coffee! It has a stimulant, and that means it's bad for you. Now take your Adderall and get ready for school."
 
2013-12-28 03:52:06 PM
The "article" is bullshiat. Original blog post from the guy he's quoting is entitled, "It's a Myth: There's No Evidence That Coffee Stunts Kids' Growth" And, of course, the blog post is correct, in that coffee does not interfere with growth. In fact, that's the primary point of the article, which this asshole decides to spin as "coffee is not bad for kids." Here are the last few paragraphs of the original blog post:

Of course, you might have your own very legitimate reasons for not letting kids drink coffee that have nothing to do with growth. A big concern is sleep, and how crucial it is for developing children-they need more of it than adults, and there's evidence that sleep disturbances could be linked with childhood obesity-so the fact that coffee packs more caffeine than tea or soda is an issue.
Then there are the more prosaic problems that could result from giving kids coffee. "My biggest concern is that caffeine is addictive," Pendergrast says. "And there is a lot of evidence that if you're addicted, and you don't get your caffeine, you suffer quite exquisite headaches, among other symptoms."
The only thing worse than a caffeinated child? An addicted yet caffeine-deprived child, suffering from a splitting headache, clamoring for a much-needed cup.


As stated earlier in the thread, caffeine is an addictive, psychoactive stimulant, and coffee packs a rather large wallop of it. Period. Yes, it's just as bad to let your kid chug Mountain Dew all day - perhaps more so, given the sugar intake - but coffee isn't exactly a good option for your tween. He makes that clear in the blog post, as well.

That does not translate into "coffee is not bad for kids."  What an asshole.
 
2013-12-28 03:54:24 PM
However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.
 
2013-12-28 03:54:55 PM

Jakesta: Study brought to you by Starbucks


My very reaction, but if you read the original blog post, it only speaks to the myth of "coffee stunts your growth." The Atlantic, as usual, has taken a single, correct, salient point, and then hitched it to a diatribe of shash.
 
2013-12-28 03:55:10 PM
I started drinking coffee on a regular basis around 13 or 14 to power through study and programming sessions.

But, given their smaller size and weight, equal amounts of caffeine in a cup of coffee would affect children more than adults, at least until their teen years.  Too much caffeine and I'll crash later, so the same would happen more easily in a young child I'd think.

Ideally they'd be consuming something more nutritious while they're in a growing phase.  Most kids don't need the boost either.
 
2013-12-28 03:55:40 PM

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Paging Mr. Coffee Nerves to the thread. Mr. Coffe Nerves.


Lol I came here to do the same.
 
2013-12-28 03:57:32 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: I always thought the idea that coffee being bad for children was bunk.  Especially when you have parents who are more than willing to allow their cabbage to consume copious amounts of things like soda and Red Bull.

Because we all know that soda and Red Bull are just SO healthy for you; and aren't major contributors to the serious obesity issue we have in this country.

/a normal cup of coffee contains LESS than 20 calories per serving.  A regular soda has nearly 200.


Huh?

Coffee is not bad for kids because some stupid parents give their kids drinks that are bad for them?
 
2013-12-28 04:04:49 PM
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2013-12-28 04:05:53 PM

Fluid: However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.


There's a new sign I like in the lodge of the ski area I frequent:  "Unattended children will be given espresso and a free kitten."

/"Caffeine makes my neurons twinkle". Bonnie McCafferty, Chicago Tribune
 
2013-12-28 04:07:35 PM
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2013-12-28 04:11:07 PM
Just the same as anything else, coffee is not bad for  some kids. I started drinking coffee when I was eight, because my parents decided to let me drink it if I liked the taste. (I've always preferred dark roasts with no extra crap like cream and sugar to get in the way of the flavour. None of that Starbucks specialty drink lunacy either.) It didn't stunt my growth, didn't retard my mental development, didn't give me splitting headaches or make me constantly irritable and fidgity. And actually I have this amazing ability to sleep anywhere anytime regardless of how much coffee I've actually consumed.

I just like coffee.

Again, that's my particular physiology. I do understand, though, that everyone loves a good sweeping generalisation, especially where kids are involved.
 
2013-12-28 04:16:08 PM

GRCooper: TheEdibleSnuggie: I always thought the idea that coffee being bad for children was bunk.  Especially when you have parents who are more than willing to allow their cabbage to consume copious amounts of things like soda and Red Bull.

Because we all know that soda and Red Bull are just SO healthy for you; and aren't major contributors to the serious obesity issue we have in this country.

/a normal cup of coffee contains LESS than 20 calories per serving.  A regular soda has nearly 200.

Huh?

Coffee is not bad for kids because some stupid parents give their kids drinks that are bad for them?


No.  What I'm saying is that why is there such a huge aversion in allowing children to drink coffee- especially when there are decaffinated options, and the fact that coffee on the whole is quite healthy (assuming you don't load it with sweetener, cream, bullshiat); when there are other things parents let their young kids consume in gross quantities that do much more damage?

I hear the crap all the time about how children drinking coffee will 'stunt' their growth...Meanwhile, the parents of Little Johnny Q. Crotchfruit have just happily, and willingly allowed their child to drink a 20oz. Coke, or 2 cans of Red Bull- and the parents think nothing of it.  I'm not saying that you should just start handing young kids coffee.  But I think the idea that there are better alternatives to drinking soda or energy drinks is a conversation that should be had, and parents should be open minded to different options.
 
2013-12-28 04:18:49 PM
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2013-12-28 04:23:30 PM
I discovered coffee in childhood in the form of Kona Coffee Fudge ice cream served at a place my dad would take me to on weekends, then a while later, Suisse Mocha. I was a coffee drinker by age 10 -- not really any worse caffeine-wise than a lot of the sodas I'd drink otherwise.
 
2013-12-28 04:24:39 PM

Fluid: However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.


Depends. Children with ADD / ADHD might benefit from drinking coffee. It would probably wind them down.
 
2013-12-28 04:26:26 PM
So Post did the coffee scare and Kellogg was for lopping skin off of penises to stop masturbation.

Cereal Killers the both of them!
 
2013-12-28 04:28:23 PM
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2013-12-28 04:41:11 PM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Fluid: However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.

Depends. Children with ADD / ADHD might benefit from drinking coffee. It would probably wind them down.


Depends on the dose.  I was diagnosed with ADHD when i was 7, and the first time I had a cup of coffee, it made me so drowsy that I had to lie down until the caffeine left my system.

These days, I find that a strong cup of black tea has the same effect as a dose of Ritalin.
 
2013-12-28 04:42:14 PM
I'm Mexican (American) and I was given coffee as a child (I declined because I'm not a fan of the taste).  So I call shenanigans. Shenanigans.

Now I only drink mocha coffee because I still don't really like coffee. Tea however I like, dark and black and bitter.
 
2013-12-28 04:47:46 PM
Now to debunk that myth that crank is bad for our kids.
 
2013-12-28 04:48:10 PM
If there were any evidence that caffeine in small amounts had a detrimental effect on children's health, then the Coca-Cola Company and PepsiCo would have been sited into oblivion long ago.

Coffee can have much more caffeine, though, depending on how you brew it. If About.com has it right, a single espresso shot at Starbucks has twice as much, and an 8 ounce brewed coffee has around 5 times as much as 8oz Coke or Pepsi - and this is Arabica coffee. Of course, it's not uncommon in this country to brew it half as strong at home... but that's still 2.5x a soda's strength.

Tea can get up to just over twice as much as a soda.

Given the choice, though, between a bitter hot drink, essence of plant leaves, and fizzy flavored sugar water, what's a kid more likely to prefer?
 
2013-12-28 04:50:21 PM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Fluid: However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.

Depends. Children with ADD / ADHD might benefit from drinking coffee. It would probably wind them down.


A can of diet coke does wonders.
 
2013-12-28 04:52:53 PM

anfrind: OOBE Juan Kenobi: Fluid: However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.

Depends. Children with ADD / ADHD might benefit from drinking coffee. It would probably wind them down.

Depends on the dose.  I was diagnosed with ADHD when i was 7, and the first time I had a cup of coffee, it made me so drowsy that I had to lie down until the caffeine left my system.

These days, I find that a strong cup of black tea has the same effect as a dose of Ritalin.


When we know our kids are going to be sleep deprived, we dose everybody with a big ol cup first thing in the morning.  Before, we would have the wildest, climbingest, demon spawn you ever saw.  Now, they're just mouthy.
 
2013-12-28 05:12:29 PM
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2013-12-28 05:16:08 PM
My nearly seven year old calms down when he gets caffeine. It's helpful to give him a cup of tea with some honey if he is really wound up. He has autism and some kids with autism react to stimulants similarly to kids with ADHD.

He doesn't like coffee at all, though I would let him drink small amounts if he wished give it really helps bring him down. My three year old *loves* coffee so we have to be careful to keep it away from her because she does get jittery if she gets some and a hyper three year old isn't good news for anyone.
 
2013-12-28 05:29:30 PM
True. Coffee is not bad for kids. It's the caffeine in it.
 
2013-12-28 05:32:24 PM

Maggie_Luna: I'm Mexican (American) and I was given coffee as a child (I declined because I'm not a fan of the taste).


That was the main reason I didn't drink coffee when I was a kid.  I was allowed to sample  a cup of the stuff black and unsweetened and found it tasted it bad.  I never really developed a taste for the beverage until I was well into my 20s (and even now, I have to take it with some type of sweetener).

Now, coffee ice cream, on the other hand, I've always liked.  Of course, with that the coffee's bitterness is heavily mitigated by frozen cream and sugar.
 
2013-12-28 06:20:18 PM
Am I in before heroin hero from south park
 
2013-12-28 06:22:51 PM
I started drinking at eight. People said it would stunt my growth. Now I'm six feet tall.
 
2013-12-28 06:33:19 PM

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Fluid: However, caffeinated children are still bad for parents.

Depends. Children with ADD / ADHD might benefit from drinking coffee. It would probably wind them down.


Quoted For Truth.

Speaking as an adult with very real ADHD, I've been drinking coffee for almost my entire life; the caffeine and warmth actually calm me down to this day, if I don't guzzle it. Of course, a Hershey's Special Dark bar or certain kinds of fresh fruit or veggies make people think that I'm on crack or something.. but then, my case is very severe.

If I hadn't learned to meditate, God only knows where I might be today.
 
2013-12-28 06:52:17 PM
My grandfather drank Postum all his life. He never drank coffee. He was something akin to a Quaker (or Shaker) and caffeine was a drug, and he refused to drink it because doing so would be a sin. So he drank Postum every morning.

And DAMN was that stuff nasty. I tried it a few times, and it was just plain awful. I don't know how anyone could drink that every day. It was the American equivalent of Vegemite, if you ask me.
 
2013-12-28 07:09:45 PM
Smoke em if you got em kids.
 
2013-12-28 07:28:59 PM
I have never had coffee. I'm 38. I rarely have caffeine. Learned to get by without it.
 
2013-12-28 07:40:57 PM

Oldiron_79: Am I in before heroin hero from south park


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2013-12-28 07:45:59 PM
Love coffee, but did not start until I was in my late 30s.  I really enjoy having at least 1 fix a day now.
 
2013-12-28 07:58:45 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: TheEdibleSnuggie: I always thought the idea that coffee being bad for children was bunk.  Especially when you have parents who are more than willing to allow their cabbage to consume copious amounts of things like soda and Red Bull.

"Honey, don't drink coffee! It has a stimulant, and that means it's bad for you. Now take your Adderall and get ready for school."



My shrink claims caffeine is way worse for you than Adderall.  In fact, he doubled my dose of Adderall and ordered me to cut my caffeine intake to one cup of coffee per day (two at the absolute most).

So far, so good.   The Adderall, even at the higher dose, has far fewer side effects for me than caffeine.
 
2013-12-28 08:00:27 PM

Doomed: Just the same as anything else, coffee is not bad for  some kids. I started drinking coffee when I was eight, because my parents decided to let me drink it if I liked the taste. (I've always preferred dark roasts with no extra crap like cream and sugar to get in the way of the flavour. None of that Starbucks specialty drink lunacy either.) It didn't stunt my growth, didn't retard my mental development, didn't give me splitting headaches or make me constantly irritable and fidgity. And actually I have this amazing ability to sleep anywhere anytime regardless of how much coffee I've actually consumed.

I just like coffee.

Again, that's my particular physiology. I do understand, though, that everyone loves a good sweeping generalisation, especially where kids are involved.


I grew up in the same boat. I've been perfectly drinking it in reasonable amounts since I was 7 or 8. Get that sugar and milk crap away from my coffee. Good coffee doesn't need enhancement. Of course, since most people drink bad coffee...

/also not stunted, psychotic, or hyperactive
 
2013-12-28 08:02:40 PM

ReverendJynxed: A can of diet coke does wonders.


That shiat be nasty.
 
2013-12-28 09:38:26 PM
Growing up, coffee was always a disappointment the few times I tried it. It smelled awesome, but the flavor wasn't even in the same zip code as the smell. This opinion held through my teens and even through my first few years in the Navy.

Then my ship got forward deployed to Italy.

I discovered that the reason I hadn't enjoyed coffee growing up was the fact that it was essentially crap. Drinking coffee the way Italians prepared it made it taste almost as good as the smell. When I first visited Turkey and tried the coffee there, I finally saw the light. Buy good coffee- preferably whole beans. Grind it into dust (espresso grind) or powder (Turkish grind). Use a French press (or manufacture and install a live steam nozzle in the ship's main space) and enjoy the dark, caffeinated goodness.


/Kimbo coffee is the Italian stuff that won me over.
//Prefer Kona or Jamaican Blue Mountain now.
///If you're going to give it to kids, moderation (and decaf) is in order.
 
2013-12-28 10:06:43 PM

Wenchmaster: Growing up, coffee was always a disappointment the few times I tried it. It smelled awesome, but the flavor wasn't even in the same zip code as the smell. This opinion held through my teens and even through my first few years in the Navy.

Then my ship got forward deployed to Italy.



This is soooo true.  I had the same experience.  Coffee in Europe---especially in Italy---actually tastes as good as it smells (and sometimes tastes even better!).

There's a reason Americans have to put milk and sugar in their coffee: American coffee is downright yucky compared to European coffee.
 
2013-12-28 11:47:57 PM
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2013-12-29 01:55:09 AM

FizixJunkee: Wenchmaster: Growing up, coffee was always a disappointment the few times I tried it. It smelled awesome, but the flavor wasn't even in the same zip code as the smell. This opinion held through my teens and even through my first few years in the Navy.

Then my ship got forward deployed to Italy.


This is soooo true.  I had the same experience.  Coffee in Europe---especially in Italy---actually tastes as good as it smells (and sometimes tastes even better!).

There's a reason Americans have to put milk and sugar in their coffee: American coffee is downright yucky compared to European coffee.


It's a combination of over-roasting, questionable brewing methods, and pre-ground coffee that went stale long before brewing. Mostly, though, it's over-roasting.
 
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