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(Bleacher Report)   Jon Kitna, now a high school teacher, donates his one-day's NFL QB pay to his school. That's sporting of him   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 44
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2013-12-28 03:13:57 PM
Good on him.
 
2013-12-28 03:14:32 PM
He actually only gets $52,999.75 from the Cowboys. They gave him $53,000.00 but he had to give them a quarter back.
 
2013-12-28 03:18:29 PM

CruiserTwelve: He actually only gets $52,999.75 from the Cowboys. They gave him $53,000.00 but he had to give them a quarter back.


hah

I always want to hate on Jon Kitna because he was just always good enough to have a job/be a backup but never to win.  Seeing him hit the field was just depressing no matter what team he was with.  The guy seems very genuine and nice though.  When the talk about sports stars being role models he sets a pretty excellent example.  It is probably one of the key reasons he has lasted this long.
 
2013-12-28 03:21:59 PM

CruiserTwelve: He actually only gets $52,999.75 from the Cowboys. They gave him $53,000.00 but he had to give them a quarter back.


BRAVO.
 
2013-12-28 03:56:44 PM
That's like 32K after taxes, isn't it?
 
2013-12-28 04:16:20 PM
He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.
 
2013-12-28 04:16:33 PM

Lsherm: That's like 32K after taxes, isn't it?


Hell, that might be why he's donating it. He's probably set from his playing days, and just having the Cowboys donate it directly to the school means they get the whole 60K rather than him giving them whatever he has left after Federal and Washington taxes.
 
2013-12-28 04:16:59 PM
I think Fark needs more Cowboys threads, call me crazy but it seems like it's been at least an hour since the last one.
 
2013-12-28 04:19:07 PM

JayCab: Washington taxes.


I'm sure he's not worried about the $0 of WA (his state) or TX (where he'll be playing, so where the taxes would actually be assessed) income taxes.

But yes, having them donate directly would be much more beneficial for everyone involved.
 
2013-12-28 04:19:37 PM

bubbaprog: He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.


He (to my knowledge) hasn't done a Super Bowl anti-abortion ad, so I'm not terribly bothered.
 
2013-12-28 04:20:08 PM

Lsherm: That's like 32K after taxes, isn't it?


Not feeling like doing the math, but since the entire amount is deducted as a charitable donation I'm guessing about 45k.  As a high school teacher, even if he took the money his pay is likely so low that it would only be ~25% if he had taken it as income anyway.  That's assuming he doesn't contribute to retirement accounts, have a mortgage and/or pay property taxes.  I'm assuming of course that this is being treated as regular income, which it likely is.

Tax planning, people.  You have 2 days left.
 
2013-12-28 04:21:23 PM

bubbaprog: He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.


so true, there is no way he can be a great person if he truly follows what he believes. maybe he would be better if he drinks a bit too much and gets a bit touchy and rapey like the awesome person in pittsburgh
 
2013-12-28 04:22:14 PM

JayCab: Lsherm: That's like 32K after taxes, isn't it?

Hell, that might be why he's donating it. He's probably set from his playing days, and just having the Cowboys donate it directly to the school means they get the whole 60K rather than him giving them whatever he has left after Federal and Washington taxes.


Can you transfer income directly as a donation without first paying taxes on it as income?

Because that would be a real easy way to one's tax burden.
 
2013-12-28 04:26:16 PM

Waldo Pepper: bubbaprog: He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.

so true, there is no way he can be a great person if he truly follows what he believes. maybe he would be better if he drinks a bit too much and gets a bit touchy and rapey like the awesome person in pittsburgh


You know who else followed what he truly believed.
 
2013-12-28 04:30:42 PM

Rapmaster2000: You know who else followed what he truly believed.


Gandhi?
 
2013-12-28 04:32:02 PM

IAmRight: Rapmaster2000: You know who else followed what he truly believed.

Gandhi?


Frank Stallone.
 
2013-12-28 04:36:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: JayCab: Lsherm: That's like 32K after taxes, isn't it? Hell, that might be why he's donating it. He's probably set from his playing days, and just having the Cowboys donate it directly to the school means they get the whole 60K rather than him giving them whatever he has left after Federal and Washington taxes. Can you transfer income directly as a donation without first paying taxes on it as income? Because that would be a real easy way to one's tax burden.


If you donate your income, then there are no taxes collected on it because it's deducted from your taxable income. But you don't somehow come out ahead - it's just as if you never had it at all.
 
2013-12-28 04:39:49 PM
As an Eagles fan I commend him and heartily wish him many, many snaps. Because DeMarco Murray and Jason Witten collided with Dez Bryant in the tunnel and Kitna's forced into duty as the just-invented-by-Jerry-Jones Wild Tight Wideback.
 
2013-12-28 04:43:09 PM
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There's still a pretty good chance that Kitna could be the starter tomorrow.
 
2013-12-28 04:53:30 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As an Eagles fan I commend him and heartily wish him many, many snaps. Because DeMarco Murray and Jason Witten collided with Dez Bryant in the tunnel and Kitna's forced into duty as the just-invented-by-Jerry-Jones Wild Tight Wideback.


I want to see what it looks like for a 41 year old man to get hit by Trent Cole coming from the blindside.  Purely for research purposes, you understand.

/go iggles
//no egg laying please
 
2013-12-28 05:06:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: IAmRight: Rapmaster2000: You know who else followed what he truly believed.

Gandhi?

Frank Stallone.


You guessed it.

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If Kitna goes in tomorrow, I'll find myself rooting for the Cowboys.
Not sure how I feel about that.

/probably need a 5th of Jack & hot shower
 
2013-12-28 05:06:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper: bubbaprog: He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.

so true, there is no way he can be a great person if he truly follows what he believes. maybe he would be better if he drinks a bit too much and gets a bit touchy and rapey like the awesome person in pittsburgh

You know who else followed what he truly believed.


Tebow?
 
2013-12-28 05:21:15 PM
This is why I laugh at the people who say the only reason Tebow isn't in the league is because of the imaginary "war on Christians".

Kitna was/is pretty vocal about his faith and usually led the post game prayer huddle for both teams. I remember him being fined by the league for wearing a hat with a cross on it during a post game interview (players can only wear approved clothing while on the job).

He didn't feel the need to create a "hey world, look at me worship God because I'm that awesome" tebowing type move.

While I agree with one of the posts above, Kitna was never good enough to lead to team on a deep playoff run but he was a better than average backup able to win a handful of games if needed.

His career was pretty amazing going from small college to world league to practice squad to starter then backup for 15 years.

I think I saw an ESPN piece on him a while back which said he picked one of the worse school in the city to teach at and either donates that paycheck back to the school or uses it to help fund the school football program?
 
2013-12-28 05:56:41 PM

Rapmaster2000: Lsherm: That's like 32K after taxes, isn't it?

Not feeling like doing the math, but since the entire amount is deducted as a charitable donation I'm guessing about 45k.  As a high school teacher, even if he took the money his pay is likely so low that it would only be ~25% if he had taken it as income anyway.  That's assuming he doesn't contribute to retirement accounts, have a mortgage and/or pay property taxes.  I'm assuming of course that this is being treated as regular income, which it likely is.

Tax planning, people.  You have 2 days left.


I'd say it's a plausible assumption that he doesn't have a mortgage (presumably he made enough as a player to afford to pay cash for a nice house), but by the same token he probably does pay property tax at least equal to the standard deduction. So he probably already itemizes. Of course, there's also the question of whether he's in AMT, in which case the property tax doesn't give him any benefit. Hope he consults with a professional.
 
2013-12-28 06:29:42 PM

Waldo Pepper: bubbaprog: He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.

so true, there is no way he can be a great person if he truly follows what he believes. maybe he would be better if he drinks a bit too much and gets a bit touchy and rapey like the awesome person in pittsburgh


Yea, they're the only two options.
 
2013-12-28 06:29:59 PM
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2013-12-28 06:36:42 PM
Good on him. Sounds like a decent human being. That's quite an accomplishment to overcome being a religious douchebag. Amirite, Fark?
 
2013-12-28 06:55:14 PM

IAmRight: JayCab: Washington taxes.

I'm sure he's not worried about the $0 of WA (his state) or TX (where he'll be playing, so where the taxes would actually be assessed) income taxes.


Huh, I didn't know that WA was also a no-income tax state. Good to know.
 
2013-12-28 07:41:21 PM
But isn't he playing in Texas, where its customary to fire more teachers in order to donate their salaries to the high school football team?
 
2013-12-28 08:29:09 PM

isthisme: This is why I laugh at the people who say the only reason Tebow isn't in the league is because of the imaginary "war on Christians".

Kitna was/is pretty vocal about his faith and usually led the post game prayer huddle for both teams. I remember him being fined by the league for wearing a hat with a cross on it during a post game interview (players can only wear approved clothing while on the job).

He didn't feel the need to create a "hey world, look at me worship God because I'm that awesome" tebowing type move.

While I agree with one of the posts above, Kitna was never good enough to lead to team on a deep playoff run but he was a better than average backup able to win a handful of games if needed.

His career was pretty amazing going from small college to world league to practice squad to starter then backup for 15 years.

I think I saw an ESPN piece on him a while back which said he picked one of the worse school in the city to teach at and either donates that paycheck back to the school or uses it to help fund the school football program?


That might gave been a Fark headline, actually. I remember reading it or a similar piece. IIRC, Kitna is a math teacher, asked for the lost cause students, and actually got results. There was also something about the high school having training facilities a lot of colleges would be envious of due to donations Kitna talked his NFL buddies into making. He also gets friends from his NFL days to come in and do clinics.
 
2013-12-28 10:24:34 PM
Now is he going to keep his playoff game check....
 
2013-12-28 10:37:39 PM

organizmx: But isn't he playing in Texas, where its customary to fire more teachers in order to donate their salaries to the high school football team?


I may be a product of the Texas public school system, but at least I know the difference between "its" & "it's."
 
2013-12-28 11:53:34 PM

bubbaprog: He also forces Chick Tracts on his neighbors, so take that into account before declaring him a great person.


That's a mark in his favor, if anything. Have you read those things? They're hilarious!
 
2013-12-29 01:11:03 AM

JayCab: Huh, I didn't know that WA was also a no-income tax state. Good to know.


Part of the reason everyone from CA moves here. =P

/what's annoying is that every time an athlete is on the move, the media'll cite FL and TX's no-state-income-tax rules but never ours
//list of no-income-tax states: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, Wyoming. Obviously four of those don't have pro teams, so basically they always leave us out on the list
///but of course people will mention how this is people in the Northwest being overly sensitive
////but you follow plenty of sports and didn't even know about that, which seems like it reinforces our point
 
2013-12-29 02:27:18 AM

Polish Hussar: isthisme: This is why I laugh at the people who say the only reason Tebow isn't in the league is because of the imaginary "war on Christians".

Kitna was/is pretty vocal about his faith and usually led the post game prayer huddle for both teams. I remember him being fined by the league for wearing a hat with a cross on it during a post game interview (players can only wear approved clothing while on the job).

He didn't feel the need to create a "hey world, look at me worship God because I'm that awesome" tebowing type move.

While I agree with one of the posts above, Kitna was never good enough to lead to team on a deep playoff run but he was a better than average backup able to win a handful of games if needed.

His career was pretty amazing going from small college to world league to practice squad to starter then backup for 15 years.

I think I saw an ESPN piece on him a while back which said he picked one of the worse school in the city to teach at and either donates that paycheck back to the school or uses it to help fund the school football program?

That might gave been a Fark headline, actually. I remember reading it or a similar piece. IIRC, Kitna is a math teacher, asked for the lost cause students, and actually got results. There was also something about the high school having training facilities a lot of colleges would be envious of due to donations Kitna talked his NFL buddies into making. He also gets friends from his NFL days to come in and do clinics.


Here it is:   Give me your worst students.

I'm atheist and no fan of organized religion, but the Fark haters take it too far when they're talking about Jon Kitna.  Kitna is a seriously classy guy who never pushed his religious views in the public eye, so if the guy wants to personally practice a religion I have no problem with that, and neither should anyone else.  Kitna is a high-character guy who lives a life of integrity according to his values and beliefs, giving selflessly to others, which frankly is a lot more than I can say for a lot of people.  Donating his salary comes as no surprise to me at all, it's exactly the kind of thing he does.

/Seattle Seahawks fan
//Have met him and he's as cool as a sport star comes
 
2013-12-29 02:28:31 AM

karmachameleon: Here it is:   Give me your worst students.


Huh, not sure why it threw away my link.  It's:   http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--former-nfl-qb-jon-kitna-finds-'gold- mine'-at-a-school-where-other-teachers-only-saw-problems-1947390 63.html

I think the single quotes mess up the link.  Just copy and paste and it should work.
 
2013-12-29 02:32:15 AM

karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Here it is:   Give me your worst students.

Huh, not sure why it threw away my link.  It's:   http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--former-nfl-qb-jon-kitna-finds-'gold- mine'-at-a-school-where-other-teachers-only-saw-problems-1947390 63.html

I think the single quotes mess up the link.  Just copy and paste and it should work.


Well, it doesn't work in my browser.  WTH?  Just search for "jon kitna lincoln high gold mine" and hit the Yahoo link which should be at the top.
 
2013-12-29 04:12:17 AM
I have a feeling the NFLPA would be upset to learn that one of their players wasn't going to be paid, even if said player were to request it.
 
2013-12-29 07:17:57 AM

karmachameleon: Polish Hussar: isthisme: This is why I laugh at the people who say the only reason Tebow isn't in the league is because of the imaginary "war on Christians".

Kitna was/is pretty vocal about his faith and usually led the post game prayer huddle for both teams. I remember him being fined by the league for wearing a hat with a cross on it during a post game interview (players can only wear approved clothing while on the job).

He didn't feel the need to create a "hey world, look at me worship God because I'm that awesome" tebowing type move.

While I agree with one of the posts above, Kitna was never good enough to lead to team on a deep playoff run but he was a better than average backup able to win a handful of games if needed.

His career was pretty amazing going from small college to world league to practice squad to starter then backup for 15 years.

I think I saw an ESPN piece on him a while back which said he picked one of the worse school in the city to teach at and either donates that paycheck back to the school or uses it to help fund the school football program?

That might gave been a Fark headline, actually. I remember reading it or a similar piece. IIRC, Kitna is a math teacher, asked for the lost cause students, and actually got results. There was also something about the high school having training facilities a lot of colleges would be envious of due to donations Kitna talked his NFL buddies into making. He also gets friends from his NFL days to come in and do clinics.

Here it is:   Give me your worst students.

I'm atheist and no fan of organized religion, but the Fark haters take it too far when they're talking about Jon Kitna.  Kitna is a seriously classy guy who never pushed his religious views in the public eye, so if the guy wants to personally practice a religion I have no problem with that, and neither should anyone else.  Kitna is a high-character guy who lives a life of integrity according to his values and beliefs, giving selflessly to othe ...


I mostly agree with what you're saying. However... I cannot help but be bothered by these religious types who, though they do "good works", do so based on an "Other"- not their own internal feelings. If Kitna hadn't gone to a tent revival/been brought up as a BAC/whatever his "saved" story is, would he still be doing the good things he's doing? Like, based SOLELY on his personality and NOT some outside influence?

I know it sounds like splitting hairs- the kids he's helping are still being helped- but I can't help but feel the whole thing is disingenuous when influenced by faith/spiritualism. Why can't someone do "good works" just because they're the right thing to be doing?
 
2013-12-29 07:24:37 AM

karmachameleon: karmachameleon: karmachameleon: Here it is:   Give me your worst students.

Huh, not sure why it threw away my link.  It's:   http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--former-nfl-qb-jon-kitna-finds-'gold- mine'-at-a-school-where-other-teachers-only-saw-problems-1947390 63.html

I think the single quotes mess up the link.  Just copy and paste and it should work.

Well, it doesn't work in my browser.  WTH?  Just search for "jon kitna lincoln high gold mine" and hit the Yahoo link which should be at the top.


Fark inserts spaces into URLs. Try this link
 
2013-12-29 08:26:51 AM
I don't get to watch much NFL given I live in Australia, but as a 41 year old school teacher who still laces up the boots to play rugby (albeit not professionally) I'd like to see how this guy manages to play the game. Not too many players (no matter the age) who'd be fit enough to play on short notice two year after retiring. So, where does one find free NFL games on these tubes?
 
2013-12-29 09:13:12 AM

darch: karmachameleon: Polish Hussar: isthisme: This is why I laugh at the people who say the only reason Tebow isn't in the league is because of the imaginary "war on Christians".

Kitna was/is pretty vocal about his faith and usually led the post game prayer huddle for both teams. I remember him being fined by the league for wearing a hat with a cross on it during a post game interview (players can only wear approved clothing while on the job).

He didn't feel the need to create a "hey world, look at me worship God because I'm that awesome" tebowing type move.

While I agree with one of the posts above, Kitna was never good enough to lead to team on a deep playoff run but he was a better than average backup able to win a handful of games if needed.

His career was pretty amazing going from small college to world league to practice squad to starter then backup for 15 years.

I think I saw an ESPN piece on him a while back which said he picked one of the worse school in the city to teach at and either donates that paycheck back to the school or uses it to help fund the school football program?

That might gave been a Fark headline, actually. I remember reading it or a similar piece. IIRC, Kitna is a math teacher, asked for the lost cause students, and actually got results. There was also something about the high school having training facilities a lot of colleges would be envious of due to donations Kitna talked his NFL buddies into making. He also gets friends from his NFL days to come in and do clinics.

Here it is:   Give me your worst students.

I'm atheist and no fan of organized religion, but the Fark haters take it too far when they're talking about Jon Kitna.  Kitna is a seriously classy guy who never pushed his religious views in the public eye, so if the guy wants to personally practice a religion I have no problem with that, and neither should anyone else.  Kitna is a high-character guy who lives a life of integrity according to his values and beliefs, giving se ...


just admit you hate all Christians and no matter what good they do you will find a way to claim that their actions aren't from their heart.  Do you realize that Christians get into heaven even without good works and that heaven is a gift simply for believing and accepting Jesus Christ.

I generally try to look at anyone doing good as a wonderful thing (politicians/celebrities aside) and from their heart without finding ways of questioning thier motives.
 
2013-12-29 11:29:23 AM

Waldo Pepper: just admit you hate all Christians and no matter what good they do you will find a way to claim that their actions aren't from their heart.  Do you realize that Christians get into heaven even without good works and that heaven is a gift simply for believing and accepting Jesus Christ.

I generally try to look at anyone doing good as a wonderful thing (politicians/celebrities aside) and from their heart without finding ways of questioning thier motives.


Just to be clear because Fark apparently cut off the end of your quoted section, it appears you're responding to Darch and not to me.

darch: I mostly agree with what you're saying. However... I cannot help but be bothered by these religious types who, though they do "good works", do so based on an "Other"- not their own internal feelings. If Kitna hadn't gone to a tent revival/been brought up as a BAC/whatever his "saved" story is, would he still be doing the good things he's doing? Like, based SOLELY on his personality and NOT some outside influence?

I know it sounds like splitting hairs- the kids he's helping are still being helped- but I can't help but feel the whole thing is disingenuous when influenced by faith/spiritualism. Why can't someone do "good works" just because they're the right thing to be doing?


What does it matter what the motivation for doing the right thing is?  If you're doing the right thing, you're doing the right thing.  We all have our own personal reasons in our hearts for doing it.  And if you're doing the wrong things (even if you're doing some other right things), then that's a whole other story.  Kitna is just a good guy, period - he doesn't do the wrong things that we sometimes associate with zealous religiosity.  I don't care where that comes from as long as he's helping others and not hurting anyone on the side, which he doesn't.

When he campaigns against gay rights or something like that, then we can talk some more about this.  Until then, he's got my full benefit of the doubt and my full support.
 
2013-12-29 12:06:28 PM

Di Atribe: organizmx: But isn't he playing in Texas, where its customary to fire more teachers in order to donate their salaries to the high school football team?

I may be a product of the Texas public school system, but at least I know the difference between "its" & "it's."


As am I, and as do I.

/Well played, Di. Very well played.
 
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