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(That Eric Alper)   45 years ago today, The Beatles went to #1 on US album chart with The Beatles (commonly known as The White Album). Number nine... number nine... number nine   (thatericalper.com ) divider line
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2013-12-28 01:06:37 PM  
It's been a long, long, long time....
 
2013-12-28 01:10:57 PM  
Happiness is a warm gun.
 
2013-12-28 01:12:06 PM  
Along with Black Sabbath's Master of Reality. the White Album is my favorite.
/my mother used to sing Rocky Raccoon to me as a lullaby.
 
2013-12-28 01:22:28 PM  
Serious, if you play the "number nine, number nine" backwards it clearly says "turn me on dead man" over and over. They put lots of nuggets like that in their albums.
 
2013-12-28 01:29:37 PM  
Just like VanityFair predicted
 
2013-12-28 01:31:21 PM  
Nanananana!!!!!!
 
2013-12-28 01:34:18 PM  
The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.
 
2013-12-28 01:34:31 PM  

bwilson27: It's been a long, long, long time....


I love Zeppelin.
 
2013-12-28 01:47:24 PM  

Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.


2/10.  Try harder next time.
 
2013-12-28 01:49:11 PM  

Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.


Ummm, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.

The White Album let The Beatles experiment with a bunch of different styles. And it's obviously influenced other classics such as Tom Petty's Wildflowers.

DNRTFA, but I hope it mentions that The Beatles thought all they had to do was produce 34 more tunes for their record company, and they could call it quits. They were wrong.
 
2013-12-28 01:55:34 PM  
Trim it down to these songs -

Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
Yer Blues
Glass Onion
Mother Nature's Son
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
Sexy Sadie
Helter Skelter
Long Long Long
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Revolution 1
Blackbird
Rocky Racoon
Julia

And you have an album that rivals Revolver.
 
2013-12-28 02:02:46 PM  

Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.


George Martin produced the white album.
 
2013-12-28 02:06:24 PM  

JosephFinn: Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.

2/10.  Try harder next time.


Not neccessarily. I think George Martin may have shared the same sentiment.
 
2013-12-28 02:07:10 PM  
This album didn't reach it's full potential until this happened:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-28 02:09:38 PM  

Hoopy Frood: Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.

George Martin produced the white album.


Co-produced actually. He left for vacation in the middle of the sessions (because they were driving him crazy) leaving Chris Thomas to finish the job. It was his first job as head producer (he'd later go on to do "Never Mind the Bollocks", Inx's "Kick" and a bunch of other well known albums).
 
2013-12-28 02:15:14 PM  
Good God,I bought this album when it first came out. Forty five years ago? Christ almighty. It came with some pretty good pics of each of them and a good poster as I recall.
 
2013-12-28 02:19:48 PM  
What, this thread is not flooded with Beatles haters?

/shocked actually
//loved The White Albulm
///feel old now
 
2013-12-28 02:20:32 PM  

Hoopy Frood: Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.

George Martin produced the white album.


The one with all the songs about weiners?
 
2013-12-28 02:20:50 PM  

twistedmetal: What, this thread is not flooded with Beatles haters?

/shocked actually
//loved The White Albulm
///feel old now

Old and with bad spelling skillz

 
2013-12-28 02:29:42 PM  
Times have sure changed. Nowadays you could never get away with calling something the "White" album, but back then, nobody thought anything of it, it was just the way things were. Like cigarette girls in movie theaters and drinking in hospitals.
 
2013-12-28 02:30:43 PM  

Snapper Carr: Hoopy Frood: Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.

George Martin produced the white album.

Co-produced actually. He left for vacation in the middle of the sessions (because they were driving him crazy) leaving Chris Thomas to finish the job. It was his first job as head producer (he'd later go on to do "Never Mind the Bollocks", Inx's "Kick" and a bunch of other well known albums).


The Beatles were pretty well in charge of their sessions at that point, so they were frequently working in two or three studios at the time, which meant no one person was overseeing everything; EMI engineers were running the technical side of things.

George Martin has frequently said that he wishes he'd convinced them to edit it down to a single disc.  "Revolution Number 9" seems to bother him a lot; not that was opposed to avant garde sonic experimentation but rather that he doesn't think the track is very good; it's basically a waste of nine minutes of album space.

The amazing thing about that era was not only did they write everything on the White Album, but that much of Abbey Road was written during the same period (In India and then in the months after they came back).
 
2013-12-28 02:33:12 PM  

jjorsett: Times have sure changed. Nowadays you could never get away with calling something the "White" album, but back then, nobody thought anything of it, it was just the way things were. Like cigarette girls in movie theaters and drinking in hospitals.


Why wouldn't you be able to get away with it? The album was white and titled "The Beatles",it makes sense to call it the White Album,then and now.
 
2013-12-28 02:42:09 PM  

shastacola: jjorsett: Times have sure changed. Nowadays you could never get away with calling something the "White" album, but back then, nobody thought anything of it, it was just the way things were. Like cigarette girls in movie theaters and drinking in hospitals.

Why wouldn't you be able to get away with it? The album was white and titled "The Beatles",it makes sense to call it the White Album,then and now.


It should also be noted that it was followed in the early 70s with two greatest hits collections, (1962-1966 and 1967-1970) known to fans as the "Red" and "Blue" albums because of their covers.

/The Beatles only started calling it "The White Album" after the fans gave it that title.
//Early on, when it was a single disc, it was going to be A Doll's House, with a very different cover
 
2013-12-28 02:45:08 PM  
/takes a hit of some good ganja
//waits a while

You say you want a Re-vo-lu-tionnnnnnnnnnnn
Wellllllllll you knooooooooowwww
We all wannnnna change the world...

/shoo bee do wa uhhhhhhh
//shoo bee do wa
 
2013-12-28 02:46:12 PM  

JosephFinn: Ishkur: The White Album is the best example of what happens when they're given no quality control (ie: George Martin). Half the songs are unfinished little noodlings or melody doodles, or several of them stitched together (Happiness is a Warm Gun has five of them), the rest are either unfinished, unfleshed out rough cuts or songlets that go nowhere and have nothing to say. It really didn't need to be two albums. Half the songs could have been thrown out and the rest packed onto a super album that may have been their biggest and best.

As it is, it mostly feels like a scrapbook full of song ideas but no actual songs. Fitting, given the turbulent recording sessions they went through to make the damn thing.

2/10.  Try harder next time.


Actually, I think he did try that hard and came out with that.  1/10.
 
2013-12-28 02:51:36 PM  
"At least Yoko's not here. Not yet".
-- John Lennon, contemplating ways it could be worse whilst burning in Hell
 
2013-12-28 02:55:07 PM  
"Could God make a rock so big that He couldn't lift it? Ha, answer that!"
-- John Lennon, losing his classic ironic wit and then just revelling in smug atheist circle-jerkery whilst burning in Hell.
 
2013-12-28 03:00:57 PM  

shastacola: Good God,I bought this album when it first came out. Forty five years ago? Christ almighty. It came with some pretty good pics of each of them and a good poster as I recall.


Hey look, you're even older than I am. :)
 
2013-12-28 03:15:03 PM  

Snapper Carr: Trim it down to these songs -

Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
Yer Blues
Glass Onion
Mother Nature's Son
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
Sexy Sadie
Helter Skelter
Long Long Long
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Revolution 1
Blackbird
Rocky Racoon
Julia

And you have an album that rivals Revolver.


Going to agree with George Martin and Ishkur - it should have been a single LP.

Thought experiment - if you were George, what would you cut/keep? Degree of difficulty; single LP must be 45 minutes or less.

Here's my take on it; John and Paul have about an equal number of songs, George gets 1 per side, and for Ringo... well, I went with "Good Night" over "Don't Pass Me By", because as a songwriter, Ringo makes a fairly decent drummer.

Side 1: Back in the USSR - Dear Prudence - While My Guitar Gently Weeps - I'm So Tired - Blackbird - I Will - Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Side 2: Julia - Birthday - Sexy Sadie - Helter Skelter - Revolution 1 - Savoy Truffle - Good Night

Non-album singles: Martha My Dear/Glass Onion, Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da/Yer Blues
 
2013-12-28 03:15:12 PM  
thedesertfiles.files.wordpress.com  "One of their most inspiring albums ever!"
 
2013-12-28 03:20:38 PM  
I've got one of these versions. Wonder if it's worth anything?

mobile.collectorsfrenzy.com
 
2013-12-28 03:23:53 PM  
beatlephotoblog.com
 
2013-12-28 03:24:20 PM  

fatassbastard: shastacola: Good God,I bought this album when it first came out. Forty five years ago? Christ almighty. It came with some pretty good pics of each of them and a good poster as I recall.

Hey look, you're even older than I am. :)


On the internet,I'm still 18 and heading out to catch Foghat in concert at Cobo Arena.:)
 
2013-12-28 03:27:00 PM  

shastacola: jjorsett: Times have sure changed. Nowadays you could never get away with calling something the "White" album, but back then, nobody thought anything of it, it was just the way things were. Like cigarette girls in movie theaters and drinking in hospitals.

Why wouldn't you be able to get away with it? The album was white and titled "The Beatles",it makes sense to call it the White Album,then and now.


I thought the "drinking in hospitals" would have given it away, but maybe people think drinking in hospitals was a real thing, so I guess I'll just have to say that it was humor.
 
2013-12-28 03:42:14 PM  

puckrock2000: Thought experiment - if you were George, what would you cut/keep? Degree of difficulty; single LP must be 45 minutes or less.


I think we'd all pretty much pick the same songs. Throw out nonsense like Bungelow Bill, Wild Honey Pie, Rocky Raccoon, Why Don't We Do It in the Road, Martha My Dear (for farks sakes, Paul, knock it off with the old granny music and put the damn clarinet away) and keep the solid tracks like Dear Prudence, Helter Skelter, Blackbird, Happiness, Glass Onion, Guitar Gently Weaps, Ob-La-Di, Back in the USSR, Revolution 1. Birthday is about the only gimmick song I'd put up with.

I would also do something else: I would put Hey Jude at the end of the album. It's probably the greatest Beatles song that was only released as a single, although it wasn't the biggest selling single of theirs (that would be Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever).
 
2013-12-28 04:06:05 PM  
I GOT BLISTAHS ON MY FINGAHS! {SCHTHWANGKTH}
 
2013-12-28 04:37:07 PM  
I looked up the album on wikipedia, to do my own '1 record version' of it,
but instead found this amazing tidbit:

"The sessions for The Beatles were notable for the band's formal transition from 4-track to 8-track recording."

wait, what?!
SGT. PEPPER was recorded/engineered etc. on a FOUR TRACK ?!?!?!?
holy shiat.
 
2013-12-28 04:45:14 PM  
Number eight

::belch::
 
2013-12-28 04:54:50 PM  

Third_Uncle_Eno: wait, what?!
SGT. PEPPER was recorded/engineered etc. on a FOUR TRACK ?!?!?!?
holy shiat.


Yep. Hate to sound like "know it all guy" but this has always been one of the most amazing things about that album for us oldsters. :)
 
2013-12-28 05:11:30 PM  
"Happiness is a Warm Gun" is the best track on the album...and the rest ain't bad either.
 
2013-12-28 06:12:34 PM  

happydude45: Serious, if you play the "number nine, number nine" backwards it clearly says "turn me on dead man" over and over. They put lots of nuggets like that in their albums.


Also: If you play "Another One Bites the Dust" backwards it sounds as if Freddie is saying "it's fun to smoke marijuana". I discovered that about 30 years ago with the actual vinyl.

/Also have original copies of "Introducing The Beatles" and "Meet The Beatles". No idea if they are worh anything or not.
//I usually just "beat the meatles"
 
2013-12-28 07:00:42 PM  
It's true that the thing's a big mess -- not much of a cohesive band effort at all -- but it's a glorious mess to my ears, with some great songs along the way. I like the way it shambles from one bit to the next with the occasional segue holding things together.

 

shastacola: Good God,I bought this album when it first came out. Forty five years ago? Christ almighty. It came with some pretty good pics of each of them and a good poster as I recall.


Four color glossies (one close-up of each Fab) and the collage poster with lyrics on the back. A few years later, working in a record store, I would fish returned copies out for the photos, cut the eyes out and we'd wear them as Halloween masks.

 

shastacola: jjorsett: Times have sure changed. Nowadays you could never get away with calling something the "White" album, but back then, nobody thought anything of it, it was just the way things were. Like cigarette girls in movie theaters and drinking in hospitals.

Why wouldn't you be able to get away with it? The album was white and titled "The Beatles",it makes sense to call it the White Album,then and now.


He's in his own little world where whiteness is horribly, horribly discriminated against, bless his heart.
 
2013-12-28 07:05:55 PM  

Ishkur: puckrock2000: Thought experiment - if you were George, what would you cut/keep? Degree of difficulty; single LP must be 45 minutes or less.

I think we'd all pretty much pick the same songs. Throw out nonsense like Bungelow Bill, Wild Honey Pie, Rocky Raccoon, Why Don't We Do It in the Road, Martha My Dear (for farks sakes, Paul, knock it off with the old granny music and put the damn clarinet away) and keep the solid tracks like Dear Prudence, Helter Skelter, Blackbird, Happiness, Glass Onion, Guitar Gently Weaps, Ob-La-Di, Back in the USSR, Revolution 1. Birthday is about the only gimmick song I'd put up with.

I would also do something else: I would put Hey Jude at the end of the album. It's probably the greatest Beatles song that was only released as a single, although it wasn't the biggest selling single of theirs (that would be Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever).


You left out Sexy Sadie. What the hells wrong with Sexy Sadie? That's one of my favorite Lennon songs. I also like Rocky Racoon classic Paul. I agree with the rest though.
 
2013-12-28 07:37:22 PM  

shastacola: fatassbastard: shastacola: Good God,I bought this album when it first came out. Forty five years ago? Christ almighty. It came with some pretty good pics of each of them and a good poster as I recall.

Hey look, you're even older than I am. :)

On the internet,I'm still 18 and heading out to catch Foghat in concert at Cobo Arena.:)


Or put another way, we've got people posting on Fark whose parents weren't even born when this album came out.
 
2013-12-28 09:01:20 PM  

Third_Uncle_Eno: wait, what?!
SGT. PEPPER was recorded/engineered etc. on a FOUR TRACK ?!?!?!?
holy shiat.


Yup.  There's an excellent BBC doc done in 1987 that explains how they did it; George Martin acts as host and also has the tapes out of the archive.  You can find it on YouTube under "Making Sgt Pepper's".

EMI took delivery of an 8-track machine at Abbey Road in 1968, but drug their feet in unpacking/installing it.  As a result, the Beatles ended up going to Trident Studios (later famous for being the location of the photo shoot for Ziggy Stardust), which was the only studio with an 8-track machine installed at that point, to record "Hey Jude."  Getting billed for studio time when EMI owned Abbey Road probably helped get the 8-track machine set up there.
 
2013-12-28 10:26:52 PM  

Fab Four Fad

They'll never last

 
2013-12-29 02:04:22 AM  

Nothing To See Here: Fab Four FadThey'll never last


Rock and roll may never die but rock and rollers do.  RIP George and John.
 
2013-12-29 06:17:42 AM  
5. "Helter Skelter" is Paul McCartney's deliberate effort to create a sound as loud and dirty as possible, with its "proto-metal roar"...


A "Proto-Metal Roar".  That sounds about right.

...and is considered by music historians as a key influence in the early development of heavy metal.


That doesn't sound right.


/ my favorite record of theirs
 
2013-12-29 09:06:54 AM  

Ishkur: Throw out nonsense like Bungelow Bill, Wild Honey Pie, Rocky Raccoon, Why Don't We Do It in the Road


No.
 
2013-12-29 12:52:29 PM  

twistedmetal: What, this thread is not flooded with Beatles haters?

/shocked actually
//loved The White Albulm
///feel old now


I like the Beatles, much as I was shiatting on the Boomers in the last thread, and I think the music of that era was great.
 
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