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(Huffington Post)   Just as conservatives have tried and failed to create "comedy" shows, progressives keep trying - and failing - to succeed in talk radio. When will they ever learn?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 53
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2013-12-28 09:09:01 AM  
Liberal rants aren't as entertaining as conservative rants?
 
2013-12-28 09:18:19 AM  
Liberal talk radio is called "the news".
 
2013-12-28 09:21:17 AM  
I can't speak for all Liberals, but for me, I don't need constant reinforcement of my beliefs to get myself through the day. And unlike many conservatives that I know, I don't feel the need to interject politics into every conversation, no matter how non-political said conversation may be.
 
2013-12-28 09:26:42 AM  
Radio is a dying media

/AKA: the elephant's graveyard
 
2013-12-28 09:32:11 AM  
We also don't send our mail by Pony Express or carrier pigeon.

Dinki: I can't speak for all Liberals, but for me, I don't need constant reinforcement of my beliefs to get myself through the day. And unlike many conservatives that I know, I don't feel the need to interject politics into every conversation, no matter how non-political said conversation may be.


And a whole heap of this.
 
2013-12-28 09:32:53 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Radio is a dying media


If by :dying" you mean "growing", then you would be correct. Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Source
 
2013-12-28 09:35:12 AM  

Man On A Mission: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Radio is a dying media

If by :dying" you mean "growing", then you would be correct. Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Source


So you're saying that 9/10 of the population listened to the radio on average? I call BS.
 
2013-12-28 09:37:18 AM  

enry: So you're saying that 9/10 of the population listened to the radio on average? I call BS.


I'm not saying it, Nielsen is saying it. "Radio now reaches 241.8 million listeners (91% of persons) ages 12 and older on an average weekly basis."

That's why I included the source in my Boobies.
 
2013-12-28 09:38:31 AM  

Man On A Mission: That's why I included the source in my Boobies.


And I get filterpawned. Heh.
 
2013-12-28 09:46:39 AM  

Man On A Mission: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Radio is a dying media

If by :dying" you mean "growing", then you would be correct. Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Source


What?

/damnit... my sarcasm font broke again
 
2013-12-28 09:50:10 AM  

Man On A Mission: enry: So you're saying that 9/10 of the population listened to the radio on average? I call BS.

I'm not saying it, Nielsen is saying it. "Radio now reaches 241.8 million listeners (91% of persons) ages 12 and older on an average weekly basis."

That's why I included the source in my Boobies.


Still sounds a bit odd the way they phrased it. Nobody in my family listens to AM or FM (Sirius FTW) and there aren't many places I go to that has actual radio stations playing.

/does own a TV
 
2013-12-28 09:52:44 AM  

Man On A Mission: I'm not saying it, Nielsen is saying it. "Radio now reaches 241.8 million listeners (91% of persons) ages 12 and older on an average weekly basis."


Which is a pretty meaningless statistic without some more data-

How long of a period constitutes 'reaching'? 20 minutes in a car? 30 seconds walking by a guy with a boombox? What constitutes 'radio'? Does the canned music in stores count?

And I'm not a big believer in Nielsens methodology- they rely on people either filling out a hand written survey, or on people using their new Portable People Meter.
However, in both instances the subject has to agree to participate in the survey and commit to either filling out the survey or wearing the PPM. I'm no psychologist, but I'm betting that those people that actually listen to radio on a regular basis are more likely to participate in the survey, if for nothing else than to make sure that their favorite station/show is represented in the survey. Whereas people that don't listen to the radio would not bother to participate. Seems to me that would skew the results a bit.
 
2013-12-28 10:25:08 AM  

Man On A Mission: That's why I included the source in my Boobies.


Pics or GTFO. lady.
 
2013-12-28 10:25:15 AM  
It's true. The conservative slant is based on group hating  stereotypes. It's real to them dammit.  That translates well to self sustaining hate fests on talk radio but not so well to humor.
 
2013-12-28 10:26:42 AM  
Listening to the radio right now. Most places I walk into, including the dentist's office, have the radio going.

NPR is mostly liberal leaning news.
 
2013-12-28 10:29:03 AM  
"Progressives," aka "everybody leftover after you subtract all the conservatives" just don't have a need to sit and listen to politics all day. We have other shiat to do. Like binge-watch Netflix.
 
2013-12-28 10:31:03 AM  
Liberals dominate the humor market, conservatives dominate the anger market.

Fine with me.
 
2013-12-28 10:31:39 AM  

gopher321: Liberal rants aren't as entertaining as conservative rants?


They should just give Jim Cornette a show

/don't agree with everything he said
//but damn if it wasn't entertaining
 
2013-12-28 10:34:27 AM  

theteacher: Listening to the radio right now. Most places I walk into, including the dentist's office, have the radio going.

NPR is mostly liberal leaning news.


NPR? Liberal? BWAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

NPR is slightly right-leaning (as is pretty much all non-FOX media) and about as non-partisan, politics-wise, as American media gets. It is only 'liberal' in relation to FOX and all points right of there.
 
2013-12-28 10:36:08 AM  
Oh, it's this again.  I'll just repost what I said on the last, nearly identical thread from a couple days ago:

I get just as annoyed by it (liberal hate radio) as I do Rushbo and Friends, so I don't listen to it.  There's something about some person getting paid to say inflammatory things to get me riled up, then telling me what my opinion is that I find completely insulting, so I don't pay attention to any of their tripe either.

Hmmmm.  I think I just realized why that format is so successful on the right-wing spectrum.
 
2013-12-28 10:37:55 AM  

Dinki: I can't speak for all Liberals, but for me, I don't need constant reinforcement of my beliefs to get myself through the day. And unlike many conservatives that I know, I don't feel the need to interject politics into every conversation, no matter how non-political said conversation may be.


Think that up after reading a HuffPo article, did you?

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2013-12-28 10:38:02 AM  

Dinki: I can't speak for all Liberals, but for me, I don't need constant reinforcement of my beliefs to get myself through the day. And unlike many conservatives that I know, I don't feel the need to interject politics into every conversation, no matter how non-political said conversation may be.


This this this.
 
2013-12-28 10:39:34 AM  

Man On A Mission: enry: So you're saying that 9/10 of the population listened to the radio on average? I call BS.

I'm not saying it, Nielsen is saying it. "Radio now reaches 241.8 million listeners (91% of persons) ages 12 and older on an average weekly basis."

That's why I included the source in my Boobies.


If I drive my car off with my phone still inside the house, as soon as I lose Bluetooth range the car stereo helpfully switches to whatever the default FM radio channel is and blasts my eardrums out with white noise. Maybe Nielsen is counting that sort of thing...
 
2013-12-28 10:44:20 AM  
All the BBC radio talk stations would be classed as "progressive" and "liberal" by US standards..... and have the higher ratings in the UK alone, nevermind the fact they're listen to across the entire English speaking world.

Even Radio 4's Woman's Hour - essentially mainstream middle-of-the-road Western feminism topics - has higher ratings than Limbaugh globally (5 million in the UK, treble that including India, Canada, and Australia).


So suck it.
 
2013-12-28 10:44:26 AM  

theteacher: Listening to the radio right now. Most places I walk into, including the dentist's office, have the radio going.

NPR is mostly liberal leaning news.


This. But I really don't think NPR is in the same category as conservative talk radio. NPR has standards. It's news. It also tries to present both sides. They have standards. There's even an Ombudsman who tries to present both sides to make sure that NPR isn't too left leaning.
 
2013-12-28 10:44:30 AM  
Libruls have TV personalities like Rachel Maddow, though. Radio doesn't work because they're afraid to agree with somebody's viewpoint without seeing them first, because they don't want to be caught agreeing with a straight white male.
Conservatives are colorblind and listen to facts, regardless of who is saying them, so radio works well as a medium.
 
2013-12-28 10:45:31 AM  

serial_crusher: Libruls have TV personalities like Rachel Maddow, though. Radio doesn't work because they're afraid to agree with somebody's viewpoint without seeing them first, because they don't want to be caught agreeing with a straight white male.
Conservatives are colorblind and listen to facts, regardless of who is saying them, so radio works well as a medium.


Not sure if serious...
 
2013-12-28 10:46:40 AM  
You could replace "comedy shows" with "thoughts" or "good ideas" and the headline still works.
 
2013-12-28 10:47:49 AM  
I live in a college town and a majority of my friends are liberal.  Almost all are really intelligent.  Reading Fark posts, however, helps me remember that liberals have just as many stupid people as conservatives.

Balance.
 
2013-12-28 10:48:39 AM  
It is odd that they can even get investors to try it, some guy's pitch "I got this idea for a liberal talk radi...." investor: *hits gong* *pulls trap door lever*
 
2013-12-28 10:48:41 AM  
I think it has to do a lot with how certain people think.

People who don't like their beliefs challenged and prefer dogmatic beliefs and hate nuance and relativism tend to like angry, loud and arrogant talk radio host.  Their "leaders" in some perceived war on what they know is right.  And if there is no actual war (usually there isn't), they will make it up.

When it comes to comedy, everyone else like a good laugh, pretty simple.
 
2013-12-28 10:50:34 AM  
Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Radio ratings are a little deceptive.  It didn't reach 241.8 million people.  It reached 241.8 million listeners.  A listener is defined as anyone who listens to any part of a program on any given day.  So if you're someone who never misses Rush or Howard Stern then you count as 5 listeners that week.

So that 241 million is probably somewhere in the 70 to 100 million range when talking about actual human beings.
 
2013-12-28 10:51:01 AM  

Headso: It is odd that they can even get investors to try it, some guy's pitch "I got this idea for a liberal talk radi...." investor: *hits gong* *pulls trap door lever*


Then I go next and I'm all "I got this idea for a trap door that opens at the sound of a gong"
investor: "keep talking, son"


/yes I quoted myself
 
2013-12-28 10:53:13 AM  
This is a web report from an old Fark thread:

Conservatives feel their opinions are the primary opinions and that they are in the group and on the team. There is no "I" in team. Radio reinforces that. There is no big "I" in radio. Advertisers like groups.

Progressives want to feel individual in their opinions. The size group is one listener, one talk host and one guest -- all different.  Advertisers don't know how to sell to individuals who have a problem sacrificing their individuality to the group.
 
2013-12-28 10:54:54 AM  

Lenny and Carl: Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Radio ratings are a little deceptive.  It didn't reach 241.8 million people.  It reached 241.8 million listeners.  A listener is defined as anyone who listens to any part of a program on any given day.  So if you're someone who never misses Rush or Howard Stern then you count as 5 listeners that week.

So that 241 million is probably somewhere in the 70 to 100 million range when talking about actual human beings.


It doesn't even take in the fact that right-wing talk radio is on a downward trend.
 
2013-12-28 10:55:17 AM  
In their defense, liberals have only had a measly two days to correct this problem since it was brought to their attention.
 
2013-12-28 10:57:12 AM  

theteacher: Listening to the radio right now. Most places I walk into, including the dentist's office, have the radio going.

NPR is mostly liberal leaning news.


Liberal leaning news, or in other words, "researched journalism with a global perspective"
 
2013-12-28 10:59:01 AM  
I also have a theory that at least 25% of conservative talk radio listeners are actually liberal bloggers just waiting for Limbaugh to say something for them to complain about.
 
2013-12-28 10:59:17 AM  

HeartBurnKid: serial_crusher: Libruls have TV personalities like Rachel Maddow, though. Radio doesn't work because they're afraid to agree with somebody's viewpoint without seeing them first, because they don't want to be caught agreeing with a straight white male.
Conservatives are colorblind and listen to facts, regardless of who is saying them, so radio works well as a medium.

Not sure if serious...


Poe's law strikes again :)

I'm sure there are people who believe exactly what crusher wrote but I would expect them to stay in venues where they won't have to waste their time reading posts that aren't fair and balanced.
 
2013-12-28 10:59:48 AM  
Conservatives don't understand humour. Liberals don't have the gut-burning vitriol for talk radio.

There, I explained it. now where's my consultancy fee?
 
2013-12-28 11:00:46 AM  

Man On A Mission: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Radio is a dying media

If by :dying" you mean "growing", then you would be correct. Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Source


Most radio stations offer music. Most Americans like music. Even I sometimes tune into music shows when I'm too lazy to plug in Pandora while making dinner. Who commutes without some pop songs to get them to place Y from place X? 

How many of us have access to music now in our cars, on our phones, etc?

What does that have to do with with politics?
 
2013-12-28 11:02:36 AM  

Dangl1ng: theteacher: Listening to the radio right now. Most places I walk into, including the dentist's office, have the radio going.

NPR is mostly liberal leaning news.

This. But I really don't think NPR is in the same category as conservative talk radio. NPR has standards. It's news. It also tries to present both sides. They have standards. There's even an Ombudsman who tries to present both sides to make sure that NPR isn't too left leaning.


The difference between conservative news (Foxnews) and all other news is that all other news sincerely tries to be impartial and truthful as the goal (secondary to being sensational and entertaining of course).  Conservative 'news' tries to push a point of view, they justify it in their minds as a counter to "liberal" news that only exists in their mind.  With the exception of MSNBC, which is actually trying to be Foxnews for liberals.  The only 'counter' to Foxnews people need is truthful and honest journalism, I predict MSNBC will fail.

NPR takes out the sensationalism and entertainment out of the equation.  That's why I have a problem with NPR having an Ombudsman looking at right leaning/left leaning bias.  That is not what should be happening.  What should happen is the Ombudsman should make sure that the stories are covered with all the facts needed for people to understand what is reported, showing both "sides" is rarely as important.   I do believe though looking at WHAT stories are reported is where a left/right bias could show in NPR.
 
2013-12-28 11:04:23 AM  

BitwiseShift: This is a web report from an old Fark thread:

Conservatives feel their opinions are the primary opinions and that they are in the group and on the team. There is no "I" in team. Radio reinforces that. There is no big "I" in radio. Advertisers like groups.

Progressives want to feel individual in their opinions. The size group is one listener, one talk host and one guest -- all different.  Advertisers don't know how to sell to individuals who have a problem sacrificing their individuality to the group.


I've never before heard the argument that conservatives tended towards collectivism, and progressives toward individualism, so consider me entertained!
 
2013-12-28 11:04:23 AM  

Bungles: All the BBC radio talk stations would be classed as "progressive" and "liberal" by US standards..... and have the higher ratings in the UK alone, nevermind the fact they're listen to across the entire English speaking world.

Even Radio 4's Woman's Hour - essentially mainstream middle-of-the-road Western feminism topics - has higher ratings than Limbaugh globally (5 million in the UK, treble that including India, Canada, and Australia).


So suck it.


Nobody outside the US. Gives two shiats about rush and his opinions. At the end of the day if a guy like rush went to most local pubs and shot his mouth off the way he does, he would be carried out of the place minus a few teeth.
 
2013-12-28 11:07:26 AM  
Who actually has time to listen to talk radio during the day?  I'm guessing people with no internet access who still have VCR's, people that live in nursing homes, and a deluded demo who just knows if they get to talk to Rush on the radio someone will hear how smart they are and offer them their own show.
 
2013-12-28 11:09:43 AM  
It doesn't even take in the fact that right-wing talk radio is on a downward trend.

That's fair, but not relevant to the point about how many people radio reached in the previous year.  And I suspect a big part of that decline is Glenn Beck's retreat to the internet.  If anything, I suspect that will be the new model for right wing spokespeople.

Beck charges $9.95/month from his podcast and made $80 million last year.  That astronomical dollar figure requires fewer than 700,000 people to sign up for his service.  And if Beck can get that much just imagine what Rush could command.

Right wing radio will move to a new model, and it just won't die.  Ironically, considering the beliefs of many of its listeners, Right wing radio will evolve to continue thriving.
 
2013-12-28 11:10:04 AM  

jj325: Who actually has time to listen to talk radio during the day?  I'm guessing people with no internet access who still have VCR's, people that live in nursing homes, and a deluded demo who just knows if they get to talk to Rush on the radio someone will hear how smart they are and offer them their own show.


People stuck in traffic. Angry, angry people stuck in traffic.
 
2013-12-28 11:11:27 AM  

Lenny and Carl: Radio actually gained over 700,000 listeners this past year, reaching a record 241.8 million people during the average week.

Radio ratings are a little deceptive.  It didn't reach 241.8 million people.  It reached 241.8 million listeners.  A listener is defined as anyone who listens to any part of a program on any given day.  So if you're someone who never misses Rush or Howard Stern then you count as 5 listeners that week.

So that 241 million is probably somewhere in the 70 to 100 million range when talking about actual human beings.


Stern is on satellite, so you wouldn't count.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:00 AM  

Lenny and Carl: It doesn't even take in the fact that right-wing talk radio is on a downward trend.

That's fair, but not relevant to the point about how many people radio reached in the previous year.  And I suspect a big part of that decline is Glenn Beck's retreat to the internet.  If anything, I suspect that will be the new model for right wing spokespeople.

Beck charges $9.95/month from his podcast and made $80 million last year.  That astronomical dollar figure requires fewer than 700,000 people to sign up for his service.  And if Beck can get that much just imagine what Rush could command.

Right wing radio will move to a new model, and it just won't die.  Ironically, considering the beliefs of many of its listeners, Right wing radio will evolve to continue thriving.


I agree with this.  Right-wing radio listeners love to "vote with their pocketbooks" so they are a perfect audience to set up a pay subscription for.  For example, many conservatives I know make it a point to buy chic-fil-a and would never consider a GM car anymore.  These are political statements for them.  There is so much money shrewd people are making off these rubes.

Try to do this with a non-right wing/conservative audience, no way it would as successful.
 
2013-12-28 11:32:20 AM  
Just as conservatives have tried and failed to create "comedy" shows, progressives keep trying - and failing - to succeed in talk radio. When will they ever learn?

When they (the progressives) stop trying to copy the "shock radio" model of the more popular conservative talk shows.  And instead look at and combine the formulas established by popular shows such as the Daily Show and Colbert report, and the still increasing popularity of podcasts, HD radio, and online streaming/time shifting as a replacement for the tradition of being stuck to one program on one channel at one time.

Imho, I think some people would rather be amused or intrigued by news items than provoked into anger or drawn onto belief in some outside conspiracy (as has been a successful model for other regular radio listeners).  It's finding a way to tap into that kind of interest regularly beyond the Public Radio models that is key to the commercial success of progressive talk radio.

Radio (or podcasts) add value for people like me because I can listen to a show in the background while reading or replying to a Fark thread like this at the same time. :)   Which may also explain the growth in that medium if podcast-style listening and use of apps like IHeartRadio are included in that measurement.
 
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