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2013-12-28 10:32:20 AM
It's seriously disgusting.
 
2013-12-28 10:41:31 AM
Tia the season to be spiteful?
 
2013-12-28 11:05:31 AM
Yes, because if there's anything that will help the economy, it's creating more homeless.
 
2013-12-28 11:09:17 AM

Compassionate Conservatism at work.

www.fantasy3d.com 

 
2013-12-28 11:13:10 AM
Quick, somebody get this back to the Politics tab where it belongs!

/too late
//popcorn
 
2013-12-28 11:13:52 AM
How many of them are active duty service personnel?  But, hey, they volunteered for that hero nonsense.
 
2013-12-28 11:17:09 AM
At the risk of sounding like a dick....this long term unemployment thing was intended from its inception to be a temporary measure which would end once the economic crisis subsided.  Well, guess what?  By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.  The taxpayers shouldn't be expected to pay indefinitely for something which was sold to them as a temporary hand out.
 
2013-12-28 11:17:21 AM
A sob story about a beltway insider who probably(or should)has more savings than most people on unemployment earn when they are working in several years time.
 
2013-12-28 11:19:53 AM

Ima4nic8or: By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.


Except for the fact there's been little in the way of new jobs created.
 
2013-12-28 11:19:57 AM
99 weeks is a long time. You should be able to figure something out in just short of 2 years.
 
2013-12-28 11:20:26 AM
Looks like it is time for a few folks to get serious and head to the Dakotas.
 
2013-12-28 11:20:40 AM

WhyteRaven74: Ima4nic8or: By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.

Except for the fact there's been little in the way of new jobs created.


7 is the new 5.
 
2013-12-28 11:21:18 AM
Who is the guy that postulates that we need to abandon the idea that every person needs to work and that we need to stop creating artificial jobs merely to give people the opportunity to pay for what they eat?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-28 11:21:59 AM
Or they could ask the state governments that nominally run welfare to fund their own extensions.
 
2013-12-28 11:22:18 AM

Ima4nic8or: Well, guess what? By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.



And then you'll complain about 0bummer being a horrible president when 240,000 jobs are lost because all these people have less to spend.
 
2013-12-28 11:22:25 AM

Ima4nic8or: At the risk of sounding like a dick....this long term unemployment thing was intended from its inception to be a temporary measure which would end once the economic crisis subsided.  Well, guess what?  By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.  The taxpayers shouldn't be expected to pay indefinitely for something which was sold to them as a temporary hand out.


Employment levels are the most important measure of an economic crisis.
If unemployment is low then it makes sense to roll back unemployment help.

My portfolio doing well this year doesn't matter much to the poor bastards who lost their jobs in an economy that is still far below full employment.
 
2013-12-28 11:22:39 AM
Good, test the waters and see if we cannot pump up employment by flooding the market with labor. If it doesn't work we can reevaluate in 3 months.
 
2013-12-28 11:22:55 AM
I'm going to say this statement is accurate for about 300k of them.

I got laid off in 2008, was unemployed for around 5 months.  There's nothing hard about sitting home collecting checks.  My wife kept her job but her health benefits sucked out loud, so I had to get my ass out and finally found something.   A guy in my company was in a similar situation but when he got the axe, he told me he decided at the time that it was going to be a year vacation, since his wife did ok and their expenses weren't too bad.  Never bothered looking for anything for like 8-9 months.
 
2013-12-28 11:23:24 AM
If you are off work for an extended period of time, places that are hiring assume something is wrong with you. They are much more likely to hire someone already employed, or very recently unemployed. If you lose your job, get a new job asap, anything, even if you feel it's beneath you.
 
2013-12-28 11:23:35 AM

WhyteRaven74: Except for the fact there's been little in the way of new jobs created.


about 4.5 million since the bottoming of the recession.  I would consider that a bit more than a 'little'.
 
2013-12-28 11:23:59 AM
Whenever this comes up I always bring up 2 things:

1.In the 1920's people had to pay their boss to do terrible work for low pay.  And they lined up for it.  Now all they have to do is spend some time on craigslist and even that is too difficult.

2.150 years ago, before welfare and unemployment, if you didn't go and either get food or earn money to get food, your family starved.  If you're here, that means all your ancestors figured out they needed to get off their ass and find a job.  Follow their lead.
 
2013-12-28 11:24:18 AM

RedPhoenix122: Yes, because if there's anything that will help the economy, it's creating more homeless.


Scuttling this ship is taking longer than expected.
 
2013-12-28 11:24:46 AM
Oh. That's expiring? That explains the dregs that have suddenly started showing up in my inbox. Hiring a team of software developers right now. Average quality of applicant is WAY down.
 
2013-12-28 11:25:31 AM

Ima4nic8or: At the risk of sounding like a dick....this long term unemployment thing was intended from its inception to be a temporary measure which would end once the economic crisis subsided.  Well, guess what?  By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.  The taxpayers shouldn't be expected to pay indefinitely for something which was sold to them as a temporary hand out.


The whole FDR welfare system was built on the promise it was temporary. Entitlements are never temporary, once people get on the dole it's really hard to get them off. And when you remind people of this they'll call you every name in the book and ask why you want to starve kids.
 
2013-12-28 11:25:45 AM

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1.3 million Americans


/are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-28 11:26:10 AM

Evil Mackerel: RedPhoenix122: Yes, because if there's anything that will help the economy, it's creating more homeless.

Scuttling this ship is taking longer than expected.


It's a big economy, but they're working on it.
 
2013-12-28 11:26:42 AM

RedPhoenix122: Yes, because if there's anything that will help the economy, it's creating more homeless.


Exactly. Nothing gooses an economy like keeping people on the dole.
 
2013-12-28 11:26:43 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Who is the guy that postulates that we need to abandon the idea that every person needs to work and that we need to stop creating artificial jobs merely to give people the opportunity to pay for what they eat?


Well Milton Friedman advocated a guaranteed minimum income for everyone, including those who don't work. Yes THAT Milton Friedman.
 
2013-12-28 11:27:04 AM

LarryDan43: even if you feel it's beneath you.


This is the crux of much of the issue.  Don't want a job that is beneath you?  Guess what - you are unemployed.  No job is 'beneath' you at that point.

If you consider any job 'beneath' you when you are unemployed you are part of the problem.  Make your own way and quit forcing me to pay for you while you find that 'just right' job.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-28 11:27:08 AM

MFAWG: WhyteRaven74: Ima4nic8or: By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.

Except for the fact there's been little in the way of new jobs created.


It's over for the people who matter.  He's not talking about peasants.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:08 AM
So an Ivy League education, 20+ years at presumptively well paying jobs and he doesn't have enough to live on for a couple years?  He's blown through everything while getting $1700 a month.  Sounds like he made some poor decisions along the way.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:16 AM

HeadLever: Looks like it is time for a few folks to get serious and head to the Dakotas.


And people who have been out of work for nearly two years are just LOADED with the cash necessary to pay for a rather expensive move halfway across the country.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:24 AM

LarryDan43: If you are off work for an extended period of time, places that are hiring assume something is wrong with you. They are much more likely to hire someone already employed, or very recently unemployed. If you lose your job, get a new job asap, anything, even if you feel it's beneath you.


And that's something that needs to be done away with, by law if necessary.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:41 AM

MFAWG: WhyteRaven74: Ima4nic8or: By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.

Except for the fact there's been little in the way of new jobs created.

7 is the new 5.


And now that extra 2% will have added motivation to find work.  If one made joblessness comfortable enough, I'm sure the number could be made a lot higher than 7.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:47 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Whenever this comes up I always bring up 2 things:

1.In the 1920's people had to pay their boss to do terrible work for low pay.  And they lined up for it.  Now all they have to do is spend some time on craigslist and even that is too difficult.

2.150 years ago, before welfare and unemployment, if you didn't go and either get food or earn money to get food, your family starved.  If you're here, that means all your ancestors figured out they needed to get off their ass and find a job.  Follow their lead.


Let go back to them good old days am I right!

When wages were low, job creators were king, no overtime, no 40hour work week, that sweet sweet child labor, no social safety nets meant the strong survived and the weak perished, It was really the golden age for America.
 
2013-12-28 11:28:51 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ima4nic8or: At the risk of sounding like a dick....this long term unemployment thing was intended from its inception to be a temporary measure which would end once the economic crisis subsided.  Well, guess what?  By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.  The taxpayers shouldn't be expected to pay indefinitely for something which was sold to them as a temporary hand out.

The whole FDR welfare system was built on the promise it was temporary. Entitlements are never temporary, once people get on the dole it's really hard to get them off. And when you remind people of this they'll call you every name in the book and ask why you want to starve kids.


Social Security was always meant to be temporary? That's what you're going with?
 
2013-12-28 11:28:52 AM
As much as I hate to say it, my approval of long term unemployment vanished due to a friend of mine being on it. He golfs several times a month, eats at restaurants 4-5 times a week, and collects unemployment (has for the past 2+ years). It must be nice for him to wake up in the morning, buy coffee, and watch the sunrise on the beach while everybody else is at work paying for him. And yes, he's told me about the multiple job offers (very good ones, with full benefits) that he's turned down. Some because he doesn't want to have to commute a half hour in traffic, others because "I just don't want to go back to working for a big corporation and be stuck in the proverbial rat race".
Poor baby...glad we are here to subsidize his vacation while he waits for a job offer worthy of his talents to get put on a silver platter just for him.
 
2013-12-28 11:29:25 AM

WhyteRaven74: Ima4nic8or: By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.

Except for the fact there's been little in the way of new jobs created.


Then the record of job growth that Obama ran on in 2012 was bullshiat?
 
2013-12-28 11:29:42 AM

HeadLever: Guess what - you are unemployed. No job is 'beneath' you at that point.


And if someone was making say $80,000 that job that pays $30,000 isn't likely to hire them.
 
2013-12-28 11:29:44 AM

Weng: Oh. That's expiring? That explains the dregs that have suddenly started showing up in my inbox. Hiring a team of software developers right now. Average quality of applicant is WAY down.


Hmm? Software development didn't really get hit hard.
 
2013-12-28 11:29:54 AM
It isn't the "largess of the government."  It is the largess of their neighbors.  The government has nothing to give that it already hasn't taken.
 
2013-12-28 11:30:02 AM

WhyteRaven74: InterruptingQuirk: Who is the guy that postulates that we need to abandon the idea that every person needs to work and that we need to stop creating artificial jobs merely to give people the opportunity to pay for what they eat?

Well Milton Friedman advocated a guaranteed minimum income for everyone, including those who don't work. Yes THAT Milton Friedman.


That's not who I'm thinking of, though interesting to see the variation in his philosophy.

It was something about how we have inspectors inspecting the inspectors and that we have enough gifted people who can invent something wonderful to support the lives of 10,000 other people. . .
 
2013-12-28 11:30:10 AM

CodeMonkey4Life: Ima4nic8or: At the risk of sounding like a dick....this long term unemployment thing was intended from its inception to be a temporary measure which would end once the economic crisis subsided.  Well, guess what?  By any reasonable measure the economic crisis is over.  The taxpayers shouldn't be expected to pay indefinitely for something which was sold to them as a temporary hand out.

Employment levels are the most important measure of an economic crisis.
If unemployment is low then it makes sense to roll back unemployment help.

My portfolio doing well this year doesn't matter much to the poor bastards who lost their jobs in an economy that is still far below full employment.


Unfortunately, I think what we are seeing is that companies were bloated, and full of unnecessary employees. Now they realize they don't need them back. They have become more efficient. Jobs will have to come from somewhere new, not companies re-hiring.
 
2013-12-28 11:30:15 AM
I should add that we all knew when his benefits were going to temporarily run out because that's when he would start listing on facebook about looking for job leads.
 
2013-12-28 11:30:22 AM

HeadLever: LarryDan43: even if you feel it's beneath you.

This is the crux of much of the issue.  Don't want a job that is beneath you?  Guess what - you are unemployed.  No job is 'beneath' you at that point.

If you consider any job 'beneath' you when you are unemployed you are part of the problem.  Make your own way and quit forcing me to pay for you while you find that 'just right' job.


It's not about having a job that's beneath you, its about not wasting your time working a job that won't feed your kids, when you could be better spending your time finding a job that will.
 
2013-12-28 11:31:14 AM
FTFA:
He has a daughter who is a junior in college

How long do you expect to keep your daughter in the cradle, dude? Can she tie her shoelaces yet?

Maybe by the time she's 50 she can get a job all by herself.

Meanwhile tough break on being able to suck out only a mere HALF A farkING YEAR of unemployment. Of course I think people on unemployment should make even MORE money than they did at the job, and the benefits should never expire. Or maybe a happy medium, like, say, 999 weeks.
 
2013-12-28 11:31:20 AM

MFAWG: 99 weeks is a long time. You should be able to figure something out in just short of 2 years.


This affects people unemployed 6 months or more.
 
2013-12-28 11:31:37 AM

jshine: And now that extra 2% will have added motivation to find work.


Yes because they're all a bunch of worthless lazy bastards. Seriously is this what you think of your fellow Americans or rather how little you think of them? That if they don't do exactly what you expect them to they're worthless pieces of shiat?
 
2013-12-28 11:32:12 AM

Prey4reign: How many of them are active duty service personnel?  But, hey, they volunteered for that hero nonsense.


WTF? Are you stupid or trolling?
 
2013-12-28 11:32:18 AM

netweavr: Good, test the waters and see if we cannot pump up employment by flooding the market with labor. If it doesn't work we can reevaluate in 3 months.


The market was supposed to have already been flooded with labor.  People on unemployment are supposed to be actively looking for a job.
 
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