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(LA Daily News)   Constitution? What Constitution? LAPD's DUI taskforce utilizes 500K Federal grant to suspend your 4th Amendment rights, collect your DNA via roadblock "saliva tests"   (dailynews.com) divider line 258
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2013-12-28 06:38:10 AM  
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2013-12-28 07:04:21 AM  
Thanks to a $500,000 federal grant, some of those sobriety checkpoints will be equipped with new technology capable of checking a driver's saliva - instead of blood, which is the usual method - for alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, amphetamines, methamphetamines, opiates, methodone, narcotic analgesics and benzodiazepine. It's more convenient, less invasive and less expensive and also provides immediate results that are just as reliable

And Fascism marches onward.
 
2013-12-28 07:23:29 AM  
A cop asking for spittle may get it in a VERY unexpected manner, like actually spit at them.
 
2013-12-28 07:24:19 AM  
Police stopped my car
Police stopped my car

They wanna wish me a sober Christmas
That's why they pull me over Christmas
 
2013-12-28 07:24:58 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-28 07:27:17 AM  
Phlegm please. Move along citizen.
 
2013-12-28 07:28:38 AM  
Even legally prescribed medication such as medical marijuana, Vicodan and Xanax can cause impairment and should not be taken before driving.
Deputy City Attorney Michelle de Casas warned that even a first DUI comes with steep penalties. "We're talking in the range of about $5,000 to $8,000 just in terms of fines and fees that you have to pay for ... and this is assuming that you're not already paying for a lawyer," she said.
A conviction may also result in the revocation of a driver's license
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Yay.
So if you're unimpaired, driving sanely and on long-term pain management, crossing a checkpoint will cost you $8,000 and your licence.
Fair's fair I guess. Long as my chocolate rations keep going up.
 
2013-12-28 07:30:12 AM  

g4lt: A cop asking for spittle may get it in a VERY unexpected manner, like actually spit at them.


Assaulting an officer gets you how much time now? Assuming you survive being "subdued"?
 
2013-12-28 07:31:08 AM  
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2013-12-28 07:31:50 AM  
I wager a judge will say it's perfectly legal as long as the saliva isn't saved or entered into a DNA database. Then five years from now we will find out that is exactly what they were doing. There will be slaps on the wrists all around and the bar for acceptable intrusion will be moved another inch in our society's psyche. I am trying not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but somedays it's hard. It's like that quote from Dante's Peak, something about had we arrived today and noticed all these things together we would realize the volcano is about to erupt. Something about tricking a frog into boiling too.
 
2013-12-28 07:32:50 AM  
When you go out in public you have no reasonable expectation that the State will not search your orifices.
 
2013-12-28 07:36:07 AM  
There have been a number of rulings that to pass Constitutional muster, the checkpoints must avoidable and visible from a distance, so let's hold off on the "OMG, fascism is here" wailing. Had a cousin killed by a drunk, so f*ck you if you've had a few and think it's OK to drive.
 
2013-12-28 07:36:43 AM  

E5bie: g4lt: A cop asking for spittle may get it in a VERY unexpected manner, like actually spit at them.

Assaulting an officer gets you how much time now? Assuming you survive being "subdued"?


"he literally asked for my spittle, your honor, how was *I* supposed to know he meant on the swab that  he had yet to pull out?"
 
2013-12-28 07:37:31 AM  
Or, you could just use the waze app that tells you where the checkpoints are and avoid them.

Or, use Uber.

Or, just stay home and get drunk for way less money like I do.
 
2013-12-28 07:39:23 AM  
I'm all for getting drunks off the road, but checkpoints are going too far(with sensible states agreeing).  The reason why is then why not stop people to check for other illegal things? And why should the place matter if it's all over safety?  Hell, let's randomly go into your home to check for criminality.  What? Are you hiding something?

How about this: You commit a crime under the influence of alcohol, you receive punishment regardless of finances.   What I mean is, a rich guy gets popped for drunk driving-he goes to farking jail and pays a huge farking fine. End of story. Hurt someone with lasting injuries? You permanently lose your license.
 
2013-12-28 07:40:01 AM  
So don't break the law. Problem solved
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/amidoinitright?
 
2013-12-28 07:41:43 AM  
Most of it  is just about writing farking tickets for the smallest shiat possible instead of clearing the corners from people selling drugs and shiat.
 
2013-12-28 07:45:24 AM  

Speaker2Animals: There have been a number of rulings that to pass Constitutional muster, the checkpoints must avoidable and visible from a distance, so let's hold off on the "OMG, fascism is here" wailing. Had a cousin killed by a drunk, so f*ck you if you've had a few and think it's OK to drive.


You are a part of the problem, not the solution.

I'm very sorry for your loss. That doesn't necessarily mean the rest of us are subject to random search. And that doesn't necessarily mean that your cousin would not have died because that doesn't mean they would have gone through a checkpoint.

We have a constitution for a reason. This is the reason. To keep the powerful and even the not so powerful from imposing their will on us for reasons of emotion, not logic - and to make sure that the truest of ideals - freedom - is never circumvented even in our grief.

It's why the implementation of the TSA is wrong and it's actually why the gun lobby folks are actually right. The laws we have on the books need to be enforced. We don't need new ones that impose on liberty
 
2013-12-28 07:47:10 AM  

Speaker2Animals: the checkpoints must avoidable and visible from a distance


You've obviously never been to Tennessee, where they are neither. Turned onto an highway on-ramp recently and they had checkpoint that a) could not have been seen until after you turned onto the on-ramp, and b) left no way to "avoid" it.
 
2013-12-28 07:47:47 AM  

Already happening all over the country. People are forced off the road by a cop and then "asked" to give a DNA sample.

Pennsylvania
Missouri
Texas
 
2013-12-28 07:47:59 AM  
fta Thanks to a $500,000 federal grant, some of those sobriety checkpoints will be equipped with new technology capable of checking a driver's saliva - instead of blood, which is the usual method - for alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, amphetamines, methamphetamines, opiates, methodone, narcotic analgesics and benzodiazepine. It's more convenient, less invasive and less expensive and also provides immediate results that are just as reliable.

That's not the same as sequencing and recording DNA
 
2013-12-28 07:48:09 AM  
If you wanted to fix drunk driving more thoroughly, you could actually take the car and hold it until the judge's punishment is served. Taking the license means that when the coroner gets to an accident, he can learn that the jerk was drunk AND uninsured.

/Lost a friend to a drunk
 
2013-12-28 07:48:51 AM  

Speaker2Animals: There have been a number of rulings that to pass Constitutional muster, the checkpoints must avoidable and visible from a distance, so let's hold off on the "OMG, fascism is here" wailing. Had a cousin killed by a drunk, so f*ck you if you've had a few and think it's OK to drive.


I'm sorry about your loss, but your personal tragedy does not legitimize the violation of my rights.
 
2013-12-28 07:50:12 AM  
It's probably time to put the breaks on the 'stop drunk driving at any cost' insanity. It's a good example of how an issue that has wide support can be used to really do serious harm to a society.
 
2013-12-28 07:52:23 AM  

hitlersbrain: It's probably time to put the breaks on the 'stop drunk driving at any cost' insanity. It's a good example of how an issue that has wide support can be used to really do serious harm to a society.


Before all you losers who can't make real arguments and insist on correcting grammar mistakes instead go bananas, yes, I meant 'brakes' not 'breaks'.
 
2013-12-28 07:53:06 AM  
16 deaths in a city of 4 million
2100 accidents in a year while the CHP report 200-400 accidents per 24 hours on the highways

Fear > math
 
2013-12-28 07:53:24 AM  
Only people that break the law are going to drive drunk, and they'll drive drunk regardless of the law, so we shouldn't make it illegal.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a drink is a good guy with a drink.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2013-12-28 08:00:18 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Most of it  is just about writing farking tickets for the smallest shiat possible instead of clearing the corners from people selling drugs and shiat.


yeah those people don't have money and cost the system. (unless you can pop the big guys up the chain)
this kind of stuff pays the bills.
 
2013-12-28 08:02:18 AM  

Speaker2Animals: There have been a number of rulings that to pass Constitutional muster, the checkpoints must avoidable and visible from a distance, so let's hold off on the "OMG, fascism is here" wailing. Had a cousin killed by a drunk, so f*ck you if you've had a few and think it's OK to drive.


I had a close friend killed by a drunk driver, too, and I think this shiat is outrageous.
 
2013-12-28 08:05:09 AM  

hitlersbrain: hitlersbrain: It's probably time to put the breaks on the 'stop drunk driving at any cost' insanity. It's a good example of how an issue that has wide support can be used to really do serious harm to a society.

Before all you losers who can't make real arguments and insist on correcting grammar mistakes instead go bananas, yes, I meant 'brakes' not 'breaks'.


Just so I understand, you're saying that killing roughly 1 person per hour 24/7/365 in alcohol-impaired crashes isn't harming society as much as arresting the drunk drivers?
 
2013-12-28 08:11:06 AM  
LA is definitely within the "constitution free zone", so I believe they can do whatever the heck they want under the guise of "protecting our freedoms".

http://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-constitution-free-zone-map
 
2013-12-28 08:12:56 AM  
From TFA: "There will be a zero-tolerance policy for people driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs."


What happens if a Forest Park, IL cop drives 2000 miles to LA, and is pulled over by the LAPD?  Does that zero-tolerance policy remain in effect?

http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/Many-Suburban-Cops-Allowed- To -Work-Half-Drunk-191296021.html
 
2013-12-28 08:13:06 AM  
The best part is when I try to go to that page, the pop up ad that takes over is for Remy Martin.

So don't drive drunk, but please keep on getting drunk because ad revenues, or something.
 
2013-12-28 08:13:21 AM  

Notabunny: hitlersbrain: hitlersbrain: It's probably time to put the breaks on the 'stop drunk driving at any cost' insanity. It's a good example of how an issue that has wide support can be used to really do serious harm to a society.

Before all you losers who can't make real arguments and insist on correcting grammar mistakes instead go bananas, yes, I meant 'brakes' not 'breaks'.

Just so I understand, you're saying that killing roughly 1 person per hour 24/7/365 in alcohol-impaired crashes isn't harming society as much as arresting the drunk drivers?


clearly that is what he is saying, in this thread about police inconveniencing at best and harassing at worst every single motorist on the road regardless of how sober they are. The problem is obviously arresting drunk drivers not the police overreach.
 
2013-12-28 08:13:59 AM  
The only time I was ever stopped at a checkpoint, the officer asked me if I'd had anything to drink and I said "yes, a very nice glass of wine with dinner". He said "sounds good to me" and sent me on my way.
 
2013-12-28 08:15:27 AM  

Alunan: I wager a judge will say it's perfectly legal as long as the saliva isn't saved or entered into a DNA database. Then five years from now we will find out that is exactly what they were doing. There will be slaps on the wrists all around and the bar for acceptable intrusion will be moved another inch in our society's psyche. I am trying not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but somedays it's hard. It's like that quote from Dante's Peak, something about had we arrived today and noticed all these things together we would realize the volcano is about to erupt. Something about tricking a frog into boiling too.


When you paraphrase "Dante's Peak", your whole argument just seems poorly conceived.
 
2013-12-28 08:15:36 AM  
"During the two-week holiday season last year, his office filed almost 600 DUI cases."

Wow. That's like over a million dollars. Good haul arsholes. What a farkin scam. This coontry farkin sucks.
 
2013-12-28 08:15:57 AM  

Notabunny: hitlersbrain: hitlersbrain: It's probably time to put the breaks on the 'stop drunk driving at any cost' insanity. It's a good example of how an issue that has wide support can be used to really do serious harm to a society.

Before all you losers who can't make real arguments and insist on correcting grammar mistakes instead go bananas, yes, I meant 'brakes' not 'breaks'.

Just so I understand, you're saying that killing roughly 1 person per hour 24/7/365 in alcohol-impaired crashes isn't harming society as much as arresting the drunk drivers?


If you are going to argue for the checkpoints, at least use real data and not the BS cooked numbers the NHTSA puts out.
 
2013-12-28 08:16:45 AM  
If fascism and statism didn't seem like great ideas to a lot of people, we wouldn't need a Constitution to protect us from those same ideas. But it only works as long as we care enough to put it to use. And unfortunately a lot of the same people railing against this particular idea love statism when it supports something they want themselves. That's how they get us. Give a State solution to your particular pet issue, and you wind up with very very few people who are actually willing to say "NO" to the State as a whole. Sure most will make some token noise about something like this when it comes up. But they will all fall silent and stand in line like they're told when it's time for the next foreign war, corporate bailout, socialized handout ("free" medical care, "free" tuition, etc), or increased tax on a group of which they're jealous.
 
2013-12-28 08:18:21 AM  

Notabunny: hitlersbrain: hitlersbrain: It's probably time to put the breaks on the 'stop drunk driving at any cost' insanity. It's a good example of how an issue that has wide support can be used to really do serious harm to a society.

Before all you losers who can't make real arguments and insist on correcting grammar mistakes instead go bananas, yes, I meant 'brakes' not 'breaks'.

Just so I understand, you're saying that killing roughly 1 person per hour 24/7/365 in alcohol-impaired crashes isn't harming society as much as arresting the drunk drivers?


Infringement of our rights is a far more serious issue then a few people dying. People die everyday it's sad and tragic but that is life. One rights are given up they aren't given back. The constitution is far more important than a single persons life
 
2013-12-28 08:19:04 AM  

Notabunny: fta Thanks to a $500,000 federal grant, some of those sobriety checkpoints will be equipped with new technology capable of checking a driver's saliva - instead of blood, which is the usual method - for alcohol, cocaine, marijuana, amphetamines, methamphetamines, opiates, methodone, narcotic analgesics and benzodiazepine. It's more convenient, less invasive and less expensive and also provides immediate results that are just as reliable.

That's not the same as sequencing and recording DNA


I agree. Also look at what the saliva tests are an alternative to: testing your blood. So if these tests result in collection of DNA, guess what, they were already doing that. Looks to me like everyone wins from this grant.
 
2013-12-28 08:19:05 AM  
So, I see this thing tests for "...cocaine, marijuana, amphetamines, methamphetamines, opiates, methodone, narcotic analgesics and benzodiazepine."

Well, officer, I've been prescribed a legal narcotic analgesic, which I take according to directions, for many years. I'm tolerant to my dosing, which no longer impacts my driving ability.  According to my prescribing doctor, I'm perfectly fit to drive while on this medication.

So, my doctor says I'm good to drive, I'm not impacted by my medication, I'm good to go when your magic test buzzes, right?  What if I haven't taken any medication for 24 hours, but I still register due to metabolites?
 
2013-12-28 08:19:45 AM  
I should've kept reading. "We're talking in the range of about $5,000 to $8,000"  So its closer to a 5 million dollar money grab, Yay USA!!!!
 
2013-12-28 08:21:59 AM  

Alunan: Something about tricking a frog into boiling too.


The frog that jumped out:
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-28 08:22:25 AM  
I never really cared for that 200+ year old piece of toilet paper, anyway. Burn it, comrades.
 
2013-12-28 08:24:11 AM  

abhorrent1: So don't break the law. Problem solved
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/amidoinitright?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-28 08:25:39 AM  

taurusowner: Give a State solution to your particular pet issue, and you wind up with very very few people who are actually willing to say "NO" to the State as a whole.


The states with the most insane drug laws are also some of the states with the least robust social services. Your argument don't hold water, breh.
 
2013-12-28 08:27:51 AM  
A whole new category of throwdown in the making...
 
2013-12-28 08:29:20 AM  

Alunan: [...]Then five years from now we will find out that is exactly what they were doing. There will be slaps on the wrists all around and the bar for acceptable intrusion will be moved another inch in our society's psyche.[...]


You forgot about the part when they start using the DNA to determine family relationships to predict probable associates of known criminals and some reporter uses that information to determine that a politician has bastard children all over the place and that one of his wife's kids isn't his.

...It's like that quote from Dante's Peak...
"Get the hell out of there now, before it's too late!"?
 
2013-12-28 08:29:58 AM  
Happened just last month in Fort Worth but they called it a 'volunteer study'.
 
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