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2013-12-28 02:35:24 PM

Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.


Well said, I think that's probably true.
 
2013-12-28 02:43:58 PM

Alphax: I don't bother trying to read her words anymore.. my brain will just lock up and reset.


I take three passes at each statement, numbering each word in a 1-2-3 succession. The first pass, I only read the #1 words, the second pass the #2 words and the third pass the #3 words. Surprisingly, the reordered statements make just as much sense as the original.
 
2013-12-28 02:44:25 PM

Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.


Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.
 
2013-12-28 02:47:32 PM
StopLurkListen:   Jim Crow laws timeline:

Humble thanks for your effort in listing the happy-singy joy that was Jim Crow.
 
2013-12-28 02:52:15 PM
Firstly, Sarah Palin is a hack even amongst hack politicians. This is an amateur political move. She knows bigotry against homosexuals is wrong and needs a cover to defend her viewpoint. This "friend" is political cover for when she and her army of Ayn Rand cultist stooges finally get called out for what they are which is to say anti-American, anti-liberty, pro-Big Government bigots. This "friend" is there to somehow show the world that she was never actually a bigot, she was just simply listening to the one homosexual "friend" that she knew to inform her viewpoint which may or may not be now actually considered a bigoted, because really it was never her viewpoint it belonged to her "friend".

Secondly, Phil Robertson and his clan are KLAN. These arsehats are the same people who terrorized the South in my parents' generation wearing sheets andburning crosses to get their message across, and don't worry, they'll remember where they left the hoods and torches here soon enough. The conservative movement, and forgive me for Godwinning the thread but in my honest opinion its not being thrown out as a slur but as a direct historical comparison, have become Nazis. They want a racialy and spiritual pure nation where government is an omniscient presence to preserve order in such a way so as to promote only one race, one gender, and one pure vision of morality. All other ideologies are impure and must be destroyed and anyone who voices something different whether they be rich or poor is acting against the collective whole. For them there can be no moderation, no equivocation, only the pure truth as they interpret it and as is explained to them by the party.

These guys left the annoying fringe territory long ago and as a Southerner scare the holy shiat out of me. Every year these guys get louder and louder and twist the truth with manufactured bandwagon reasoning the same way the National Socialists did in the lead up to Germany's last free election pre-Reichstag fire. Something, someone, somewhere needs to really stand up to these "people" and call them out for what they are before we wake up and start realizing we're living in a truly dystopian future a la "A Handmaid's Tale".

I should clarify however, I don't think this is as much a problem in the North as it is here in the South. These people have seized control of nearly every Southern state to the near total exclusion of all other political view points. The only holdouts are the cities, which make up substantially less of the population in the South as opposed to the North, and which are now being demonized in the state legislatures as anti-Chrisitan, refuges for illegal elements such as immigrants and "socialists".

I'm not trying to sound overly shrill or paranoid but when you look at the all the pieces that sum up the whole, hatred (not disagreement but hatred) of liberals, revisionist history of a better white America, revisionist history of a better "Christian" America, and really really big on the right to own, carry anywhere, and use assault style weapons, then it really begins to look like a create of TNT next to trash fire. You hope it doesn't go off but bets against are pretty long odds.
 
2013-12-28 02:55:42 PM

Phil McKraken: Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.

Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.



I think it would be a lot easier if they put a star on their forehead or something. I'm sure I work with people that are gay I've just never really worried about it and never walked up to them and ask them if they are gay. Should I, or should I just continue to treat them like I treat everyone else? I have one token, a good friend that was married had kids and then decided to come out, still my friend. I guess my token.
 
2013-12-28 03:00:21 PM
I once was attacked here for saying Palin was like catnip to the libroturds.

Ha.
 
2013-12-28 03:01:48 PM

Cletus C.: I once was attacked here for saying Palin was like catnip to the libroturds.

Ha.


Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were. Here, have some buttermilk.
 
2013-12-28 03:03:06 PM

whcrow: Sgt Otter: StopLurkListen: Here's what Sarah Palin is defending:

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'-not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues." --A&E star Phil Robertson

Yeah, because when black people under Jim Crow were complaining about how awful they were being treated by the white establishment, they'd be sure to do it within earshot of another white person.


It's hard for people that grew up being racist in the city to accept there were/are places where it's not a problem.


Because there is no racism in rural areas.
 
2013-12-28 03:04:31 PM
I have a casual acquaintance who I recently discovered has been using me as the "friend" in his "some of my best friends are gay" argument for years.

I discovered his posting name on one of those Freep-like message boards. Even though he's one of the more odious human beings fate has ever forced me to cross paths with, his handle insists that we're BFF's and I'm his undisputed window into the rainbow-colored world of male effeminacy. There are enough identifying marks in his semiliterate rambles to indicate that I'm the one he's using for verisimilitude.

It's weird being used as a body shield like that, without even knowing it. Someone out there is openly spreading hateful remarks and epithetical language, and claiming that it's perfectly okay because I'm sometimes in the same building as him and know his first name. Part of me really wants to get an account and blow his little charade out of the water, but I doubt it would last.

Sarah Palin strikes me as the sort of person who won't let her kids hang out with gay people because she's afraid they might get gay on them. I'm sure she does have a gay friend somewhere - statistics support it - but I doubt he's enjoying being used as her buffer zone.
 
2013-12-28 03:08:12 PM

whcrow: Phil McKraken: Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.

Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.


I think it would be a lot easier if they put a star on their forehead or something. I'm sure I work with people that are gay I've just never really worried about it and never walked up to them and ask them if they are gay. Should I, or should I just continue to treat them like I treat everyone else? I have one token, a good friend that was married had kids and then decided to come out, still my friend. I guess my token.


Your friend is a token if you happen to mention him/her in conversations about denying marriage equality but don't want to appear to be a bigot at the same time.
 
2013-12-28 03:09:58 PM
Keep laughing about Sarah Palin, but when it really comes down to it, half this country buys into the shiat you're laughing about. Oh sure, they might agree that she's ridiculous and kind of a characterture, but the issues she's supposedly being lampooned over are real: hatred of the poor, mistrust of government, especially taxation, drilling for oil, "foreign policy" towards Arabs or Muslims, gay rights, workers' rights, right-wing traditional values.

Buffoon or not, there are many who have conservative leanings towards these things, and that mindset is hardly going away. Also, this buffoon almost became one heart beat away from President. That means she got a lot of support in 2008.
 
2013-12-28 03:10:44 PM
Marcus made her promise not to tell.
 
2013-12-28 03:10:55 PM

Pubby: Firstly, Sarah Palin is a hack even amongst hack politicians. This is an amateur political move. She knows bigotry against homosexuals is wrong and needs a cover to defend her viewpoint. This "friend" is political cover for when she and her army of Ayn Rand cultist stooges finally get called out for what they are which is to say anti-American, anti-liberty, pro-Big Government bigots. This "friend" is there to somehow show the world that she was never actually a bigot, she was just simply listening to the one homosexual "friend" that she knew to inform her viewpoint which may or may not be now actually considered a bigoted, because really it was never her viewpoint it belonged to her "friend".

Secondly, Phil Robertson and his clan are KLAN. These arsehats are the same people who terrorized the South in my parents' generation wearing sheets andburning crosses to get their message across, and don't worry, they'll remember where they left the hoods and torches here soon enough. The conservative movement, and forgive me for Godwinning the thread but in my honest opinion its not being thrown out as a slur but as a direct historical comparison, have become Nazis. They want a racialy and spiritual pure nation where government is an omniscient presence to preserve order in such a way so as to promote only one race, one gender, and one pure vision of morality. All other ideologies are impure and must be destroyed and anyone who voices something different whether they be rich or poor is acting against the collective whole. For them there can be no moderation, no equivocation, only the pure truth as they interpret it and as is explained to them by the party.

These guys left the annoying fringe territory long ago and as a Southerner scare the holy shiat out of me. Every year these guys get louder and louder and twist the truth with manufactured bandwagon reasoning the same way the National Socialists did in the lead up to Germany's last free election pre-Reichstag fire. Someth ...


I don't think that Robertson is a racist or bigot. From what I have read, he and his family have been in entertainment for a while, and they just seem to be playing characters that they created for the show. And while I do believe what you say is going on in the south is true, I have seen it in the North also, That isn't Robertson. What Robertson is is a scumbag that would use bigotry and racial hatred to line his pockets with money. He knew what he said would cause outrage and controversy, and he knew the mouth breathers would flock to his show and buy the shows products, even if they knew about him before or not, because they think that he is one of them and they have to defend him. And that is just as bad as being a racist and bigot.
 
2013-12-28 03:12:59 PM

peasandcarrots: Part of me really wants to get an account and blow his little charade out of the water, but I doubt it would last.


Blow his "little charade" if you like, but the trick to making it last is to pace yourself.
 
2013-12-28 03:14:24 PM

ongbok: What Robertson is is a scumbag that would use bigotry and racial hatred to line his pockets with money.


Like that makes any difference, or that those actions don't brand him as a bigot.

And that is just as bad as being a racist and bigot.

No, that IS being a bigot. It's amusing that you stop just short of it.
 
2013-12-28 03:14:32 PM

whidbey: Buffoon or not, there are many who have conservative leanings towards these things, and that mindset is hardly going away. Also, this buffoon almost became one heart beat away from President. That means she got a lot of support in 2008.


The influence of her and people like her is definitely going away. She may have gotten a lot of support in 2008, but there's a reason she didn't run in 2012 and won't run in 2016, not to mention a reason that the candidates she endorsed by-and-large lost their respective elections; she'll continue to decline in support and people she endorses will continue to lose elections.
 
2013-12-28 03:16:00 PM
Palin's story sounds legit... I mean have you ever met a lesbian who wasn't pissed off at *something* that day...
 
2013-12-28 03:19:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: whidbey: Buffoon or not, there are many who have conservative leanings towards these things, and that mindset is hardly going away. Also, this buffoon almost became one heart beat away from President. That means she got a lot of support in 2008.

The influence of her and people like her is definitely going away. She may have gotten a lot of support in 2008, but there's a reason she didn't run in 2012 and won't run in 2016, not to mention a reason that the candidates she endorsed by-and-large lost their respective elections; she'll continue to decline in support and people she endorses will continue to lose elections.


I hope so. It's also more likely that big money will be pumped into setting up another charismatic candidate type who continues to tout the values she's hawking. It's not the person, it's the collective ideology that continues to thrive.
 
2013-12-28 03:21:47 PM

whcrow: eddiesocket: whcrow: Sgt Otter: StopLurkListen: Here's what Sarah Palin is defending:

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'-not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues." --A&E star Phil Robertson

Yeah, because when black people under Jim Crow were complaining about how awful they were being treated by the white establishment, they'd be sure to do it within earshot of another white person.


It's hard for people that grew up being racist in the city to accept there were/are places where it's not a problem.

Yep, as long as those cotton-pickin' white-trash equivalent blacks know their place, there's no problem at all!

Your problem is you've watch too many Hollywood movies.


So nothing bad happened to blacks in the country and the problems were only in the cities?
Emmett Till might disagree, if he was alive, killed in a town of about 400 in 1955
 
2013-12-28 03:22:11 PM

Phil McKraken: whcrow: Phil McKraken: Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.

Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.


I think it would be a lot easier if they put a star on their forehead or something. I'm sure I work with people that are gay I've just never really worried about it and never walked up to them and ask them if they are gay. Should I, or should I just continue to treat them like I treat everyone else? I have one token, a good friend that was married had kids and then decided to come out, still my friend. I guess my token.

Your friend is a token if you happen to mention him/her in conversations about denying marriage equality but don't want to appear to be a bigot at the same time.



So here's my take on it. Marriage is a rite not a right.

Somewhere along the line the govt. got involved in it and marriage became a legal status.

Now should we recognize the significant other of a relationship with equal status as  we do a "marriage"? should gay couples get the same tax breaks, some visitation rights in hospitals, same status for insurance, same everything in a legal status? the answer is a big "YES". They need to change Marriage status to Mate status.

My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's? the real enemy is the govt. and the laws.
 
2013-12-28 03:24:31 PM

Notabunny: fta "You're going to see people wearing their camo, you're gonna see people wearing their red, white, and blue bandannas, and be out there with their duck calls and everything else as this manifestation of support for a family that is traditional and strong..."

So they'll be marching about with the folks who have teabags dangling from their tricorn hats? Awesome.


That actually would be one hell of a parade to watch.
 
2013-12-28 03:30:36 PM

peasandcarrots: Sarah Palin strikes me as the sort of person who won't let her kids hang out with gay people because she's afraid they might get gay on them. I'm sure she does have a gay friend somewhere - statistics support it - but I doubt he's enjoying being used as her buffer zone.


I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by gay people.
 
2013-12-28 03:33:11 PM

ongbok: I don't think that Robertson is a racist or bigot.


A sermon from 2010 says otherwise:
 Women exchange natural relations and were inflamed with lust for one another. And the men were inflamed with lust for each other. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversions. They're full of murder, envy, strife and hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless. They are senseless. They are faithless. They are ruthless! They invent ways of doing evil!

This was of course over a year before he began playing a "character".
 
2013-12-28 03:33:29 PM

whcrow: My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's?


Who the hell is attacking churches?
 
2013-12-28 03:34:01 PM
Didn't you know that having something automatically makes your an expert and free from any criticism?  I have a black friend, which makes me an expert on African American history and free from any claims I might be a racist. I also have a special needs child, which makes me an expert on mental health and free from claims I'm not sensitive to the needs of children. I also have a cousin in the military which makes me an expert on defense. I'm sorry that some of you don't have these things, so are by definition, ignorant.
 
2013-12-28 03:34:27 PM

spongeboob: peasandcarrots: Sarah Palin strikes me as the sort of person who won't let her kids hang out with gay people because she's afraid they might get gay on them. I'm sure she does have a gay friend somewhere - statistics support it - but I doubt he's enjoying being used as her buffer zone.

I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by gay people.



I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by rednecks.
 
2013-12-28 03:36:33 PM

whcrow: spongeboob: peasandcarrots: Sarah Palin strikes me as the sort of person who won't let her kids hang out with gay people because she's afraid they might get gay on them. I'm sure she does have a gay friend somewhere - statistics support it - but I doubt he's enjoying being used as her buffer zone.

I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by gay people.


I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by rednecks.


Yeah well they do talk some shiat.
 
2013-12-28 03:38:22 PM

spongeboob: whcrow: My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's?

Who the hell is attacking churches?


It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.

Now I'm sure there is a subset that is religious and actually wants the rite status but that's a whole different battle.
 
2013-12-28 03:39:06 PM

whcrow: Phil McKraken: whcrow: Phil McKraken: Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.

Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.


I think it would be a lot easier if they put a star on their forehead or something. I'm sure I work with people that are gay I've just never really worried about it and never walked up to them and ask them if they are gay. Should I, or should I just continue to treat them like I treat everyone else? I have one token, a good friend that was married had kids and then decided to come out, still my friend. I guess my token.

Your friend is a token if you happen to mention him/her in conversations about denying marriage equality but don't want to appear to be a bigot at the same time.


So here's my take on it. Marriage is a rite not a right.

Somewhere along the line the govt. got involved in it and marriage became a legal status.

Now should we recognize the significant other of a relationship with equal status as  we do a "marriage"? should gay couples get the same tax breaks, some visitation rights in hospitals, same status for insurance, same everything in a legal status? the answer is a big "YES". They need to change Marriage status to Mate status.

My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's? the real enemy is the govt. and the laws.


The really enemy is not the government and its laws its religious interference with the government and its laws. Marriage has both a secular and a religious meaning. That has evolved out of a tacit understanding between the civil government and church authorities that clerics would have authority to officiate matters of legally joining two people in both a religious and civil sense.

It made sense from a certain point of view. The civil authorities only care for the purposes of inheritance, legitimacy of children, and in previous eras, governance of the woman by her husband. For the religious authorities it was an expression of the divine power to be able to join people together, but also served the civil authorities by ensuring the union was legitimate.

Therefore when we talk about marriage it has two meanings that are intertwined but not inseparable in a modern secular civil society. Call it whatever you like, civil union, mate status, etc. That marriage has a dual meaning I think has never escaped any of the critics of gay marriage. No government requires of any religious official to perform rites that violate their religious dogma. I am a christian. I would not go demand of a Sikh cleric that he marry me and my so.

No one is forcing evangelical or conservative churches or clerics to perform rites that violate their religious convictions. They want to argue that their religious objections to homosexuality should trump the interests of the secular civil authorities in extending to others the same secular civil rights that are normally given to two people who have agreed to live in a confidential partnership.
 
2013-12-28 03:39:07 PM

firefly212: Palin's story sounds legit... I mean have you ever met a lesbian who wasn't pissed off at *something* that day...


Yeah. It's like they have some kind of a hole in their lives that just isn't being filled.
 
2013-12-28 03:39:24 PM

whcrow: It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.


Nobody is forcing churches to marry gays.
 
2013-12-28 03:39:28 PM

LarryDan43: Didn't you know that having something automatically makes your an expert and free from any criticism?  I have a black friend, which makes me an expert on African American history and free from any claims I might be a racist. I also have a special needs child, which makes me an expert on mental health and free from claims I'm not sensitive to the needs of children. I also have a cousin in the military which makes me an expert on defense. I'm sorry that some of you don't have these things, so are by definition, ignorant.


I also have a cousin who converted to Islam, therefore I'm insulated from ever saying anything stupid about that.

Also, because I'm gay, I get to speak for all gay people in all of history, which is a neat little trick.
 
2013-12-28 03:41:00 PM
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2013-12-28 03:41:10 PM

whcrow: Phil McKraken: whcrow: Phil McKraken: Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.

Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.


I think it would be a lot easier if they put a star on their forehead or something. I'm sure I work with people that are gay I've just never really worried about it and never walked up to them and ask them if they are gay. Should I, or should I just continue to treat them like I treat everyone else? I have one token, a good friend that was married had kids and then decided to come out, still my friend. I guess my token.

Your friend is a token if you happen to mention him/her in conversations about denying marriage equality but don't want to appear to be a bigot at the same time.


So here's my take on it. Marriage is a rite not a right.

Somewhere along the line the govt. got involved in it and marriage became a legal status.

Now should we recognize the significant other of a relationship with equal status as  we do a "marriage"? should gay couples get the same tax breaks, some visitation rights in hospitals, same status for insurance, same everything in a legal status? the answer is a big "YES". They need to change Marriage status to Mate status.

My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's? the real enemy is the govt. and the laws.


Basically - once again, we've screwed up the separation of church and state. "Marriage" as a religious rite should be separate from "marriage" as a legal status administered by the state - and, at one time, they were. But, we've somehow equated the two, to the point where religion is dictating what government should and shouldn't allow. That's the real problem.

It's not just the idea of same-sex marriages - why are group marriage arrangements, such as polygamy, illegal? We allow relationships between corporations that would be considered a stoning offense had they been created between persons. As long as you're all genetically compatible, of sound mind and free will, why in the hell should the government make any form of marriage illegal?

Religion? Sure. Your religion, at that point, could easily limit (or not limit) your relationships any way that your religion saw fit, because they would be performing a rite, not administering a legal status. If you didn't like the limits placed on you by your religion, you could still change your legal status through secular means even as you fought to change your religion's limits. And, conversely, your religion wouldn't limit the rights of non-members by exploiting the state's close relationship with it to control the administration of that legal status.

It's not a hard problem to solve, and we already have the tools in place to solve it. Separation of church and state, marriage licenses, justices of the peace, etc., etc.
 
2013-12-28 03:42:35 PM

Pubby: whcrow: Phil McKraken: whcrow: Phil McKraken: Alphakronik: When someone tells you they have a "gay friend" or a "black friend", what they are really saying is that there is one person of that group they can actually tolerate.

Disagree. They are engaging in tokenism. Being a racist makes one unpopular with a lot of people, but that one ____ friend which you claim to have is evidence otherwise. Who is Sarah Palin's gay friend? Katie Couric should investigate.


I think it would be a lot easier if they put a star on their forehead or something. I'm sure I work with people that are gay I've just never really worried about it and never walked up to them and ask them if they are gay. Should I, or should I just continue to treat them like I treat everyone else? I have one token, a good friend that was married had kids and then decided to come out, still my friend. I guess my token.

Your friend is a token if you happen to mention him/her in conversations about denying marriage equality but don't want to appear to be a bigot at the same time.


So here's my take on it. Marriage is a rite not a right.

Somewhere along the line the govt. got involved in it and marriage became a legal status.

Now should we recognize the significant other of a relationship with equal status as  we do a "marriage"? should gay couples get the same tax breaks, some visitation rights in hospitals, same status for insurance, same everything in a legal status? the answer is a big "YES". They need to change Marriage status to Mate status.

My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's? the real enemy is the govt. and the laws.

The really enemy is not the government and its laws its religious interference with the government and its laws. Marriage has both a secular and a religious meaning. That has evolved out of a tacit understanding between the civil government and church authorities that clerics would have authority to officiate matters of lega ...



Right on!!!
 
2013-12-28 03:43:27 PM

whidbey: whcrow: spongeboob: peasandcarrots: Sarah Palin strikes me as the sort of person who won't let her kids hang out with gay people because she's afraid they might get gay on them. I'm sure she does have a gay friend somewhere - statistics support it - but I doubt he's enjoying being used as her buffer zone.

I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by gay people.


I am often surprised by the people I know who are still really freaked out by rednecks.

Yeah well they do talk some shiat.


And the fetishization of firearms makes it harder to reason with them. You don't see too many gay people with "Straight Hunting License" bumper stickers.
 
2013-12-28 03:44:17 PM

whcrow: It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.


www.league-links.com

Neither looks too happy about Gilligan being the First Mate.
 
2013-12-28 03:45:08 PM

clintster: [img.fark.net image 503x375]


Yeah, I have a feeling this mystery person is also her black/hispanic/asian/inuit/transgender friend.
 
2013-12-28 03:51:52 PM

whcrow: spongeboob: whcrow: My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's?

Who the hell is attacking churches?

It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.

Now I'm sure there is a subset that is religious and actually wants the rite status but that's a whole different battle.


No they just want to be able to be married they same as straight people, but you sound like they should be happy with civil unions, that is you seem to be okay with separate but equal, which with your other posts about race in the south I should have known that.
 
2013-12-28 03:53:40 PM

EJ25T: clintster: [img.fark.net image 503x375]

Yeah, I have a feeling this mystery person is also her black/hispanic/asian/inuit/transgender friend.


Wait, Todd is her Inuit friend, what are you implying?
 
2013-12-28 03:54:55 PM

whcrow:
It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.

Now I'm sure there is a subset that is religious and actually wants the rite status but that's a whole different battle.

Why do you think it's just a subset? Gay people, who want a church wedding usually want it because they are religious, in my experience. Non-religious gay people usually don't give a crap about churches, temples or mosques.

 
2013-12-28 03:56:21 PM
A lot of people are implying that she's invented this friend. Unfortunately, gay people can be just as crazy and far right-wing and intellectually incurious as straight people like Palin. Odds are, the friend is very real.
 
2013-12-28 03:59:36 PM

spongeboob: whcrow: spongeboob: whcrow: My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's?

Who the hell is attacking churches?

It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.

Now I'm sure there is a subset that is religious and actually wants the rite status but that's a whole different battle.

No they just want to be able to be married they same as straight people, but you sound like they should be happy with civil unions, that is you seem to be okay with separate but equal, which with your other posts about race in the south I should have known that.



So your fight is with the church's and not with the laws, they are two different things. The laws are what is keeping gays from having the same rights as straights. The church has nothing to do with income tax status, with hospital visitation, etc. Now granted their is so called religious lobby to the govt that has the same confusion you do about what the real problem is, if I was religious I would be pissed off at them as well.
 
2013-12-28 04:06:30 PM

rynthetyn: EJ25T: clintster: [img.fark.net image 503x375]

Yeah, I have a feeling this mystery person is also her black/hispanic/asian/inuit/transgender friend.

Wait, Todd is her Inuit friend, what are you implying?


themidnightalliance.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-28 04:09:42 PM

rynthetyn: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: rynthetyn: If anyone I know ever tried to use the, "I have a gay friend," defense against charges for bigotry, I'd be calling a press conference to denounce them that very day.

If you want to read the lesbian equivalent to that guy "shooting starbursts into a crusty sock," Camille Paglia's totally obvious dyke-crush on Sarah Palin is ridiculous.

She even PRAISES Sarah Palin's innate ability to slaughter the English language:

"She uses language with the jumps, breaks and rippling momentum of a be-bop saxophonist."

Camille Paglia is tiresome. I'm pretty sure she just takes whatever position is directly opposite what the liberal establishment happens to think. Of course that means praising Sarah Palin, what would get her more attention?


She's the Armond White of feminism.
 
2013-12-28 04:09:47 PM

spongeboob: whcrow: spongeboob: whcrow: My question and I'm not religious I would say I was reluctant agnostic is why attack the church's?

Who the hell is attacking churches?

It appears to me that they want to go thru the marriage rite of the religions to obtain the right of being a mate.

Now I'm sure there is a subset that is religious and actually wants the rite status but that's a whole different battle.

No they just want to be able to be married they same as straight people, but you sound like they should be happy with civil unions, that is you seem to be okay with separate but equal, which with your other posts about race in the south I should have known that.



Let me phrase it a different way. I'm saying in the eyes of the law straights, gays, polygamist, ect., should all be equal. Straights in the eyes of the law should be happy with civil unions. it's simple separation of church and state. The individual religion should be able to say how they want to handle their rites as a religion.
 
2013-12-28 04:10:14 PM
whcrow:


So your fight is with the church's and not with the laws, they are two different things. The laws are what is keeping gays from having the same rights as straights. The church has nothing to do with income tax status, with hospital visitation, etc. Now granted their is so called religious lobby to the govt that has the same confusion you do about what the real problem is, if I was religious I would be pissed off at them as well.

No people want to be married, they can be married by a justice of the peace, they are not suing churches to marry them they want to be married, why not give them the same term and same privledges as you do heterosexual couples who get married.

And you do know that the people fighting marriage equality are what 99-100% doing it for religious reasons, the churches declared war on Gays not the other way around.

Hospital visiting you run right up against Religious hospitals and religious people saying that allowing gays to visit their loved ones is infringing on their right to keep them separate because it is against their religion.


But you know what I am thinking you are just throwing shiat at this point.
 
2013-12-28 04:12:45 PM

eddiesocket: A lot of people are implying that she's invented this friend. Unfortunately, gay people can be just as crazy and far right-wing and intellectually incurious as straight people like Palin.


Odds are, the friend is very real.

This is where you jumped the shark.

No one believes you, schill.
 
2013-12-28 04:16:23 PM

spongeboob: whcrow:


So your fight is with the church's and not with the laws, they are two different things. The laws are what is keeping gays from having the same rights as straights. The church has nothing to do with income tax status, with hospital visitation, etc. Now granted their is so called religious lobby to the govt that has the same confusion you do about what the real problem is, if I was religious I would be pissed off at them as well.

No people want to be married, they can be married by a justice of the peace, they are not suing churches to marry them they want to be married, why not give them the same term and same privledges as you do heterosexual couples who get married.

And you do know that the people fighting marriage equality are what 99-100% doing it for religious reasons, the churches declared war on Gays not the other way around.

Hospital visiting you run right up against Religious hospitals and religious people saying that allowing gays to visit their loved ones is infringing on their right to keep them separate because it is against their religion.


But you know what I am thinking you are just throwing shiat at this point.



No I think you and I are saying the same thing, just a few degree's off from our point of view from each other.
 
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