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2013-12-27 09:30:17 PM  
Sorry article, but 'The Dark Knight Rises' did not screen in 3-D
 
2013-12-27 09:45:33 PM  
Rentrak box-office analyst Paul Dergarabedian

Gesundheit.
 
2013-12-27 09:47:18 PM  

movieman_1979: Sorry article, but 'The Dark Knight Rises' did not screen in 3-D


IMAX, 3D, Smell-o-vision - you expect these Disney pukes to know?
 
2013-12-27 09:47:39 PM  
FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."
 
2013-12-27 09:56:03 PM  

MrEricSir: FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."


flat attendance + higher ticket prices = more money
 
2013-12-27 09:58:40 PM  

MrEricSir: FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."


Money sounds more impressive than the number of tickets sold.  It makes for good news ratings if today's movies break monetary records instead of ticket sales records, otherwise Gone With the Wind and Star Wars: A New Hope will never be dethroned.
 
2013-12-27 10:01:12 PM  

MrEricSir: FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."


Flat number of tickets sold, but more money per ticket. That means they still made boku cash moneys.
 
2013-12-27 10:05:27 PM  
In sorta related news: today my local paper listed "Upstream Color" as one of the best films of the year, then on the very next page listed it as one of the worst.
 
2013-12-27 10:21:45 PM  
CSB- tonight we watched Skyfall on Blu-ray, having seen it the first time about a year ago at the cinema. I really didn't like the movie the first time, and now chalk that up to how annoyed I was at everyone else at the theater.

/still surprised how bad Canadians can be at the movies, I suppose because it's impolite to tell people to shut up
 
2013-12-27 10:32:37 PM  

fusillade762: In sorta related news: today my local paper listed "Upstream Color" as one of the best films of the year, then on the very next page listed it as one of the worst.


I made it through half of it.  I could see both arguments.
 
2013-12-27 10:33:41 PM  
Now I feel bad for pirating the "Tickled & Milked" DVD torrent for my friend.
... And by 'my friend', I mean my penis.
... And by ' I feel bad', I really mean that my wiener is sore.
 
2013-12-27 10:36:18 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Money sounds more impressive than the number of tickets sold. It makes for good news ratings if today's movies break monetary records instead of ticket sales records, otherwise Gone With the Wind and Star Wars: A New Hope will never be dethroned.


And won't ever. Before the age of home video, movies were in theatres for months. Now they have a week or two tops to make their investment back and then shuttled off to Blueray releases three months down the road.

I'm personally sick of it. For one, I hate crowded theatres, so I always wait a couple weeks so I can watch the movie in a relatively empty theatre, and by then it gets yanked. And secondly, the viewing options are aggravating. I'm fine with just a simple, 2D $11.00 screening. But they don't show most of the blockbusters in that format anymore. Now they got 3D (+$3.00), 3D with UltraAVX (+$4.00), and IMAX (+$7.00). Including tax you're paying nearly $20 for a farking IMAX movie. Most movies are not worth those prices and the rest of them aren't good enough to require that kind of technology anyway.

And they wonder why piracy exists.
 
2013-12-27 10:36:20 PM  
$12 last week to see a moviefilm.
Twelve dollars.

At least it was good.
 
2013-12-27 10:39:25 PM  
My local theater no longer has matinee prices. For most of my life that's how I went to movies. Nowadays I can find something better to do with 20 bucks.
 
2013-12-27 10:42:20 PM  
Ahh, yes. The same people who are using someone else's work to inform you that stealing others work is bad.

http://youtu.be/3A6gFVygN7Y
 
2013-12-27 10:50:05 PM  

mongbiohazard: Flat number of tickets sold, but more money per ticket. That means they still made boku cash moneys.


If the word you're going for sounds like "boo-coo" (as heard in Full Metal Jacket, etc.), you're actually trying to say "beaucoup", an Americanized version of the French term meaning roughly the same thing.

Ishkur: And they wonder why piracy exists.


I pay for cable, internet, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and have access to HBO Go. Over xmas, the family gathered to watch a "for everyone" movie, and we settled on Brave, which I wanted to see, and has been out for well over a year. We only got about 45 min in (we were watching it on one of the subscribed-to movie channels at my folks' place) before the baby decided for us it was time to leave, but the wife and I were interested enough that we agreed to finish it when we had a chance.

Fast forward to about 2 hours ago when the baby fell asleep and we wanted to finish it.

Not on TV/On Demand.

Not on Netflix.

Not on Prime.

Not on HBO's movie list.

If I can pay for all of these services and STILL can't get what I'm looking for (and it was on freakin' TV two days ago) I have NO compunction about pirating it. I dislike "The Oatmeal" but his comic about pirating Game of Thrones is pretty spot on. I'll pay for it, I really will, if you give me the chance. If you aren't, well, fark you then, I'm not running out and buying a goddamn blu-ray that I'll watch ONCE, for (checks) $24.99. I'm already shelling out well over $150/mo for media.

I'm cutting the cord after the Superb Owl. SO, SO, SO sick of this shiat.

Ishkur: I'm fine with just a simple, 2D $11.00 screening. But they don't show most of the blockbusters in that format anymore.


Some movies are worth seeing in theaters- I'm glad I paid for Skyfall, Avengers, and Iron Man 3, and I'm miffed that I missed Gravity. I'm one of the "can't do 3d" people, so if that's whats on tap, I'm not going. I'm also not going to go see Generic Rom Com in a theater. Dear god, why bother?
 
2013-12-27 11:21:23 PM  

Ishkur: The Onion is prophetic: Money sounds more impressive than the number of tickets sold. It makes for good news ratings if today's movies break monetary records instead of ticket sales records, otherwise Gone With the Wind and Star Wars: A New Hope will never be dethroned.

And won't ever. Before the age of home video, movies were in theatres for months. Now they have a week or two tops to make their investment back and then shuttled off to Blueray releases three months down the road.

I'm personally sick of it. For one, I hate crowded theatres, so I always wait a couple weeks so I can watch the movie in a relatively empty theatre, and by then it gets yanked. And secondly, the viewing options are aggravating. I'm fine with just a simple, 2D $11.00 screening. But they don't show most of the blockbusters in that format anymore. Now they got 3D (+$3.00), 3D with UltraAVX (+$4.00), and IMAX (+$7.00). Including tax you're paying nearly $20 for a farking IMAX movie. Most movies are not worth those prices and the rest of them aren't good enough to require that kind of technology anyway.

And they wonder why piracy exists.


No 2D? do you live in a large city? i live 2 hours outside of new york city and i can find theaters that play 2d films at $6.50 matinee.
 
2013-12-27 11:30:02 PM  
I'd gladly start paying for movies again if they'd offer it to me for a high quality download on the day it comes out.
 
2013-12-27 11:34:52 PM  

Cheater71: No 2D? do you live in a large city? i live 2 hours outside of new york city and i can find theaters that play 2d films at $6.50 matinee.


Vancouver. It's all megaplexes here. There are some smaller independent theatres, but they never play what I want to see.
 
2013-12-27 11:36:13 PM  
Ishkur
I'm personally sick of it. For one, I hate crowded theatres, so I always wait a couple weeks so I can watch the movie in a relatively empty theatre


CSB:
My parents and I went to see the Hobbit (2D) at a 70+ years-old arthouse-y cinema ten days ago (i.e. still first week).
They had put up some nice decorations around the entry room and wardrobe, lots of candles, the toilets were relabeled with "Hobbits" and "Elves".
The total audience at the 8 pm weekday showing: the three of us and one couple.
Each of us could have had their own two-seater-sofa and coffee table in one of the "suites" at the back of the room.
No ads or trailers.

When talking to the guy who was closing up after us, it turned out he hadn't seen the movie yet.
Instead of just grabbing one of the ~350 empty seats and joining us, he said he had waited outside because he wanted to see the movie in all its glory in some cineplex in 3D.
 
2013-12-27 11:46:48 PM  
I'm really debating going to Anchorman 2 this weekend. Beside the ticket prices it almost has to be a total turd because why the hell would you need to hype a movie that much if it didn't suck anuses.
 
2013-12-27 11:51:29 PM  
If $15 was worth so little to me I could spend it on a movie, I'd have the money to buy a batter home theater system. If I had a better home theater system, I wouldn't go to theaters to see movies. There is no set of conditions that results in me going to a theater to see a movie.

They can keep jacking up the prices on the yahoos that are still falling for it all they want. I guess it's been working. Suckers.
 
2013-12-28 12:50:11 AM  

T-Servo: CSB- tonight we watched Skyfall on Blu-ray, having seen it the first time about a year ago at the cinema. I really didn't like the movie the first time, and now chalk that up to how annoyed I was at everyone else at the theater.

/still surprised how bad Canadians can be at the movies, I suppose because it's impolite to tell people to shut up


Here's a tip for watching Skyfall. When Bond says the words "It's the latest thing from Q-branch. It's called a radio," stop the movie and pretend the credits start rolling.

This simple act makes it one of the top 5 Bond films.
 
2013-12-28 01:34:41 AM  

The Onion is prophetic: MrEricSir: FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."

Money sounds more impressive than the number of tickets sold.  It makes for good news ratings if today's movies break monetary records instead of ticket sales records, otherwise Gone With the Wind and Star Wars: A New Hope will never be dethroned.



It's a safe bet that those two movies will never be surpassed in ticket sales. Star Wars played in theaters for more than a year during its initial run and was then re-released several times.

Gone With The Wind made its debut in 1939 and played in theaters well into the mid-1940s.
 
2013-12-28 02:09:42 AM  

sleeper2995: I'm really debating going to Anchorman 2 this weekend. Beside the ticket prices it almost has to be a total turd because why the hell would you need to hype a movie that much if it didn't suck anuses.


Actually, if a studio thinks a movie won't do well, they rarely put much money into advertising. Why raise the stakes on a losing bet? Whenever there's a crazy marketing push for a particular film, there's expectations of huge returns on the investment. Sure, sometimes they still try to build artificial buzz for an obvious dud - consider the mad money Disney threw away trying to get people excited about The Lone Ranger - but nowadays you can just launch a cheapjack Internet campaign and avoid paying for expensive TV spots and promotional gimmicks.

Also, if outside companies are willing to buy the rights to make tie-in merchandise, they believe they're investing in a profitable title as well. That doesn't guarantee the movie is actually any good, mind you, just that a lot of corporate strategists ran the numbers and decided a particular property was likely to generate good business both in theaters and stores. Anchorman 2 certainly has the Hot Topic seal of approval, so take that for whatever it's worth.
 
2013-12-28 02:18:54 AM  
Thanks for the I sight. I have been careful to avoid all the commercials and tv spots as to ruin anything funny.
 
2013-12-28 02:34:11 AM  
When a theater can match the surround sound system in my home theater, maybe I'll go out to see a movie again. Oh, and they'd also have to play any movie I want to see any time I want to see it. And keep the riff-raff out. And put real butter on the popcorn.
 
2013-12-28 02:35:28 AM  

The Voice of Doom: the toilets were relabeled with "Hobbits" and "Elves"


Wait... which was which?
 
2013-12-28 02:39:06 AM  

DrPainMD: When a theater can match the surround sound system in my home theater, maybe I'll go out to see a movie again. Oh, and they'd also have to play any movie I want to see any time I want to see it. And keep the riff-raff out. And put real butter on the popcorn.


Can't fit into a theater seat, can you, bud?

/I keed.
 
2013-12-28 04:10:32 AM  

Ishkur: I'm personally sick of it. For one, I hate crowded theatres, so I always wait a couple weeks so I can watch the movie in a relatively empty theatre, and by then it gets yanked.


I work 3rd shift, and my habit lately with new movies I want to watch is to catch them on opening Friday at around 10 am.. and there's usually less than 20 people in the theater then.  Usually no kids, unless I wait a day and go on Saturday instead.
 
2013-12-28 04:44:04 AM  
fusillade762
The Voice of Doom: the toilets were relabeled with "Hobbits" and "Elves"

Wait... which was which?


It's easier to tell in German because here the doors are usually labeled with "H" and "D" for "Herren" (=gentlemen) and "Damen" (=ladies).
So the Hobbits label made it obvious.

I guess they were too polite to use Drachen (Dragons) for the ladies...
 
2013-12-28 06:24:43 AM  
It looks like a lot of people are being as dishonest as the film companies. Forrest Gump still hasn't made a profit, neither has Return of the Jedi, The Lord of the Rings films etc etc etc.

All of this is designed to move money away from the tax man to pay for your roads, social services etc and into bank accounts in tax havens for the sole use of a tiny amount of people.
 
2013-12-28 06:34:43 AM  

mongbiohazard: MrEricSir: FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."

Flat number of tickets sold, but more money per ticket. That means they still made boku cash moneys.


What Hollywood needs to do is make one movie, and convince one guy to pay $11Billion to see it.
 
2013-12-28 06:40:40 AM  

Earguy: mongbiohazard: MrEricSir: FTA: "...actual attendance at North American theaters remained flat after a decade of decline."

Strange definition of "best."

Flat number of tickets sold, but more money per ticket. That means they still made boku cash moneys.

What Hollywood needs to do is make one movie, and convince one guy to pay $11Billion to see it.


The secret Marilyn Monroe porn film?
 
2013-12-28 08:29:24 AM  

T-Servo: CSB- tonight we watched Skyfall on Blu-ray, having seen it the first time about a year ago at the cinema. I really didn't like the movie the first time, and now chalk that up to how annoyed I was at everyone else at the theater.

/still surprised how bad Canadians can be at the movies, I suppose because it's impolite to tell people to shut up


Movie theaters need to adapt the Alamo Drafthouse's policy: no talking, no texting, or we throw you out.
 
2013-12-28 11:05:46 AM  

grinding_journalist: If I can pay for all of these services and STILL can't get what I'm looking for (and it was on freakin' TV two days ago) I have NO compunction about pirating it.


no matter what you seem to think, content providers are under no obligation to provide you with every movie ever made on demand.  streaming is great an all, but there is no feasible way to just put everything up there.

remember those days when you actually had to go out someplace and rent a movie?

/oh, and stop paying for all of those goddamned services.  the only way to get the content you want on the service you want is to pay for ONE service and refuse to give the others your money.  until everyone can realize this, the streaming services will continue to splinter until the only REAL viable option for digital media IS piracy.
 
2013-12-28 11:35:24 AM  

Norfolking Chance: It looks like a lot of people are being as dishonest as the film companies. Forrest Gump still hasn't made a profit, neither has Return of the Jedi, The Lord of the Rings films etc etc etc.


They've made plenty of profit.  The way movie economics works is each film gets its own LLC and any money above the production costs goes to the movie studio under various bullshiat "consulting" type fees.
 
2013-12-28 12:05:20 PM  

grinding_journalist: Ishkur: And they wonder why piracy exists.

I pay for cable, internet, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and have access to HBO Go. Over xmas, the family gathered to watch a "for everyone" movie, and we settled on Brave, which I wanted to see, and has been out for well over a year. We only got about 45 min in (we were watching it on one of the subscribed-to movie channels at my folks' place) before the baby decided for us it was time to leave, but the wife and I were interested enough that we agreed to finish it when we had a chance.

Fast forward to about 2 hours ago when the baby fell asleep and we wanted to finish it.

Not on TV/On Demand.

Not on Netflix.

Not on Prime.

Not on HBO's movie list.

If I can pay for all of these services and STILL can't get what I'm looking for (and it was on freakin' TV two days ago) I have NO compunction about pirating it. I dislike "The Oatmeal" but his comic about pirating Game of Thrones is pretty spot on. I'll pay for it, I really will, if you give me the chance. If you aren't, well, fark you then, I'm not running out and buying a goddamn blu-ray that I'll watch ONCE, for (checks) $24.99. I'm already shelling out well over $150/mo for media.

I'm cutting the cord after the Superb Owl. SO, SO, SO sick of this shiat.


About two minutes of googling found that Brave is available on Starz and can be streamed online by Starz subscribers.  You could have called up your cable company, ordered Starz, streamed the movie and called back to cancel an hour later and they probably wouldn't have charged you at all.

I don't see how this is any different than it was ten or fifteen years ago except now there's an expectation that everything is going to be available on one of the specific services we subscribe to.  If it's not we feel justified in pirating it because screw the company that doesn't want to give me what I want, when I want it and how I want it.
 
2013-12-28 12:33:02 PM  

Ishkur: The Onion is prophetic: Money sounds more impressive than the number of tickets sold. It makes for good news ratings if today's movies break monetary records instead of ticket sales records, otherwise Gone With the Wind and Star Wars: A New Hope will never be dethroned.

And won't ever. Before the age of home video, movies were in theatres for months. Now they have a week or two tops to make their investment back and then shuttled off to Blueray releases three months down the road.

I'm personally sick of it. For one, I hate crowded theatres, so I always wait a couple weeks so I can watch the movie in a relatively empty theatre, and by then it gets yanked. And secondly, the viewing options are aggravating. I'm fine with just a simple, 2D $11.00 screening. But they don't show most of the blockbusters in that format anymore. Now they got 3D (+$3.00), 3D with UltraAVX (+$4.00), and IMAX (+$7.00). Including tax you're paying nearly $20 for a farking IMAX movie. Most movies are not worth those prices and the rest of them aren't good enough to require that kind of technology anyway.

And they wonder why piracy exists.


Hate crowded theatres you say? Have I got a solution for you. Being as I am a fairly large person 6'4" 240 lbs I require some room to be comfortable. Now not every theatre happens to be built like this but many in my area are.

walk the stairs to the very back isle. Sit on the 2 seats that only have staircase in front of them. All the leg room you need. Nobody's big head gets in the way of the screen. And you can get in and out of the theatre faster then anybody else.

back row on the staircase. Truly it is the seat of kings.
 
2013-12-28 12:43:29 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: walk the stairs to the very back isle. Sit on the 2 seats that only have staircase in front of them. All the leg room you need. Nobody's big head gets in the way of the screen. And you can get in and out of the theatre faster then anybody else.

back row on the staircase. Truly it is the seat of kings.


I've always thought that theaters should retro-fit their seating with many "couples' seats."  The width of three seats, no armrest in the middle, with arms wide enough for cup/food holders.  Possibly charge a bit more to make up for loss of theater capacity.
 
2013-12-28 01:02:56 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Hate crowded theatres you say? Have I got a solution for you. Being as I am a fairly large person 6'4" 240 lbs I require some room to be comfortable


No, it's not because I'm a big fellow, it's because I farking hate people. Especially people interrupting my moviegoing experience. Laughing, talking, texting, baby-crying, cheering, popcorn munching, candy wrapper rustling, noisy, dumbass inconsiderate people.
 
2013-12-28 01:24:18 PM  

Ishkur: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Hate crowded theatres you say? Have I got a solution for you. Being as I am a fairly large person 6'4" 240 lbs I require some room to be comfortable

No, it's not because I'm a big fellow, it's because I farking hate people. Especially people interrupting my moviegoing experience. Laughing, talking, texting, baby-crying, cheering, popcorn munching, candy wrapper rustling, noisy, dumbass inconsiderate people.


"There was this dude in the theater, all pissed off at the people around him.  Here, look, I took his picture with my phone..."
 
2013-12-28 03:02:07 PM  

stoli n coke: It's a safe bet that those two movies will never be surpassed in ticket sales. Star Wars played in theaters for more than a year during its initial run and was then re-released several times.

Gone With The Wind made its debut in 1939 and played in theaters well into the mid-1940s.


Gone with the Wind saw regular re-releases across the 20th century, every few years.  The last one was in 1989, for its 50th anniversary, right before they put it out on VHS.  That's why no other film will ever beat it at the box office: it played longer than almost any American film.
 
2013-12-28 08:34:35 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: stoli n coke: It's a safe bet that those two movies will never be surpassed in ticket sales. Star Wars played in theaters for more than a year during its initial run and was then re-released several times.

Gone With The Wind made its debut in 1939 and played in theaters well into the mid-1940s.

Gone with the Wind saw regular re-releases across the 20th century, every few years.  The last one was in 1989, for its 50th anniversary, right before they put it out on VHS.  That's why no other film will ever beat it at the box office: it played longer than almost any American film.



Yeah, I wasn't sure exactly how long it ran. I just remember my grandma telling me that my granddad took her to see it when they were dating, and that was after he'd gotten back from World War II.
 
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