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2013-12-27 03:34:34 PM

OnlyM3: oh_please [TotalFark]


Didn't Obama promise to end all this crap?
Yes, yes he did.
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And yet...

Obama reauthorizes the PATRIOT Act, May 2011

THe king is dead, long live the king.
 
2013-12-27 03:34:50 PM

ReverendJynxed: We may as well have stayed British.


What makes you think they don't have their own flavor of this very same bullshiat?
 
2013-12-27 03:35:38 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: JolobinSmokin: fullyfarked: JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending

Both sides are bad.

I've never heard that before.

Well you'll here hear it from me.

I align myself with no party nor their ideologies. All are humans, and humans are untrustworthy, dangerous, and corruptible, thus, so are their governments.


Corrected.
 
2013-12-27 03:35:44 PM
I can't help but think that something might just "happen" to that judge.  If you know what I mean.

/gun owners are always going to prevail
 
2013-12-27 03:36:52 PM

Nabb1: whidbey: OnlyM3: oh_please [TotalFark]


Didn't Obama promise to end all this crap?

Yes, yes he did.

Dude, you don't even believe in climate change. How are we to take you on your word on Obama's "hypocrisy?"

I believe in climate change and I think Obama is an authoritarian and a pathological liar.


Except you don't have any reason to believe either. Fox News type talking points aren't reasons, either.

Mad?
 
2013-12-27 03:39:04 PM

cman: whidbey: cman: whidbey: cman: Stop bringing reality into this thread. You might just displace his delusions. He would just be another drone after that.

Remember that "fake liberal" crack I made at you yesterday?

Keep proving it.

I have no idea why you call me that. I don't pretend to be a liberal.

Yeah ya do. You could at least admit it once in a while.

Or be more true to what you do believe.

What in the world are you talking about?


OK, I'll stop.
Sorry.
 
2013-12-27 03:40:18 PM
Somebody probably said this upstream, I didn't read the comments, but legal or illegal IF THEY CAN THEY WILL-this applies to everyone and everything, including spying. Now you know=what the court said don't mean squat
 
2013-12-27 03:40:52 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: JolobinSmokin: fullyfarked: JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending

Both sides are bad.

I've never heard that before.

Well you'll here it from me.

I align myself with no party nor their ideologies. All are humans, and humans are untrustworthy, dangerous, and corruptible, thus, so are their governments.


so you are a fark independent? how cute
 
2013-12-27 03:41:56 PM

JerseyTim: DreamSnipers: My mistake, I thought a judge would know there is a fourth amendment to the constitution.

Telephone metadata has not been considered to be under Fourth Amendment protection since 1979's Smith v. Maryland.


Which was a horrible precedent to set.  Virtually everything about our lives now resides with some 3rd party - financial transactions, email, photo collections, cloud computing, membership in organizations, various location information, etc. - and thus is potentially vulnerable to collection given the argument of Smith vs. Maryland.

But given that, Smith vs Maryland involved collection of metadata on a single user who was already a suspect in a crime at a time when telephone metadata couldn't tell you nearly as much as it does now.  The situation now is vastly different in scope and the collection is against people for whom no suspicion of a crime exists.  That was the point hammered home in the first ruling - that Smith vs Maryland was to much of a stretch to justify the current shenanigans.
 
2013-12-27 03:42:42 PM
Since Al Qaeda hated us for our FreedomTM,, I guess we'll be friends from here on out.
 
2013-12-27 03:42:43 PM
never doubt the government's ability to act paranoid and emotional
 
2013-12-27 03:43:43 PM
This ain't your father's Oldsmobile.
 
2013-12-27 03:47:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong(I trust Fark will),

But, didn't he just pretty much equate this with, being in public you really have no expectation of privacy?

What I mean, as if I really have to point this out, is that, because they collect all, and being that it's everyones, that it's public and not private?

Hmmmm, interesting.
 
2013-12-27 03:47:36 PM
Fan-farking-tastic job catching those bombers before they bombed the Boston Marathon, NSA!
 
2013-12-27 03:48:18 PM

blacksharpiemarker: [unrelated franklin quote0]


...Except having people see/hear you without you knowing isn't giving up liberty.

You want to prevent people from seeing you? Stop reflecting photons. Once they leave you, they aren't yours anymore.

/just trollin'
 
2013-12-27 03:49:38 PM

whidbey: I_C_Weener: But, I'll blame Bush if that is what it takes for you to admit that Obama don't care about domestic surveillance.

From what I can tell, he's not happy about it, but we are in a position where it's become necessary.

To me, that means that we now have real enemies because of the policies of the past 10 70 years.


FTFY
Could probably make the argument to push that back even further
 
2013-12-27 03:50:51 PM

namatad: Agent Smiths Laugh: JolobinSmokin: fullyfarked: JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending

Both sides are bad.

I've never heard that before.

Well you'll here it from me.

I align myself with no party nor their ideologies. All are humans, and humans are untrustworthy, dangerous, and corruptible, thus, so are their governments.

so you are a fark independent? how cute


Nope. Not that either.

I am a misanthrope with a deep distrust and loathing for homo sapiens.

That doesn't leave much room for me to care about the arbitrary categories such primates like to assign to things.
 
2013-12-27 03:51:02 PM
saying again

NSA with all its data collection could get some forgiveness if they would use that info to do some obvious good once in a while

(like targeting overseas credit card thieves and internet scammers (as example)) - but what do i know)
 
2013-12-27 03:52:49 PM

N4LG4s: N4LG4s: Dang....might as well toss the Bill of Rights and US Constitution into this:

[www.awesomebackgrounds.com image 200x125]


Fark that.

Time to lock and load!

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-27 03:52:59 PM
Ok, I'm the most lefty leftist to ever left in America, but this court case is being way overblown. Yall act like this is something new, or at the very oldest was brought about by the Patriot Act.

This has been established jurisprudence since long before most Farkers were born. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland

Phone call metadata is not subject to the Fourth Amendment. This is very old news. This current court case (and the one back in the 1970s) were NOT about call contents. There is nothing about wiretaps in this case. This is not about listening to your call contents.

Liberty did not die today. This isn't a big farking deal. Calm the fark down.
 
2013-12-27 03:53:33 PM
Prophet of Loss:


"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." ― Rand Paul
 
2013-12-27 03:54:28 PM
justtray
When, specifically, did Obama promise to repeal the patriot act when he was running for president?

Don't pretend you don't know how marketing works. When he said shiat like 'We will balance security against privacy,' progressives heard it as "I will repeal the Patriot Act".


slayer199
The Democrats had control the House, Senate and Presidency for the first 2 years of Obama's tenure....enough to pass the ACA but not enough to reign in the Patriot Act? Riggghhhhtt. The most transparent administration ever!!!

Technically it was only a few months when they had filibuster-proof control of the Senate, assuming that the 'nuclear option' (which was just used) is not allowed for whatever idiotic reason. I have never heard a compelling argument for why the Democrats failed to do anything important during this time yet we should still slob their knobs.


whidbey
Actually the "evidence" suggests that Al Qaeda really are enemies now, thanks to Bush.

Amazing. So now you are consciously adopting a bullshiat Bush-era GOP position and blaming it on Bush. On the other hand, this is basically what you guys have done with ACA, so I guess it's not inconsistent.

Also: No. "Al Qaeda" consists of Saudi mercenaries in Syria, desert bandits in the West African Sahel, and one faction of a civil war in Yemen. They are not, and never were, a serious threat to the people of the United States. Look, the fact that they aren't planting bombs along oil pipelines, which would be insanely easy and immediately burn the US economy to the ground, shows that they're not serious. I find it rather disgusting that you, of all people, are now trying to do the "BOOGA-BOOGA AL-QAEDA!" routine.

given our current right-leaning political climate.

This is a pretty good illustration of why the Democrats continue to fail and march to the right. People aren't voting for conservatives because the political climate is right-leaning. They're voting for conservatives because the Democrats are SPINELESS WORMS.

more than likely had good reason.

Of course. They must have, because if they didn't then that would make Obama look bad.


ReapTheChaos
If the NSA is really interested in how many times a month I order pizza or check my bank account balance, I don't really give a shiat.

Good luck in your quest to remain neutral on a moving train.
 
2013-12-27 03:57:31 PM
Does this mean we can point and laugh at everyone who misquoted the previous judge and went on tirades about how the NSA programs were 'definitely unconstitutional' instead of 'likely unconstitutional'?

After a nice week of not listening to the news, I was subject to extreme idiocy in an airport lounge.  Hearing a 'journalist' push that shiat was painful.
 
2013-12-27 03:59:09 PM

ReapTheChaos: If the NSA is really interested in how many times a month I order pizza or check my bank account balance, I don't really give a shiat.



= tool.
 
2013-12-27 04:00:00 PM

holeinthedonut: Somebody probably said this upstream, I didn't read the comments, but legal or illegal IF THEY CAN THEY WILL-this applies to everyone and everything, including spying. Now you know=what the court said don't mean squat


Objects in the rear view mirror are,,
 
2013-12-27 04:00:01 PM

fullyfarked: JerseyTim: He ruled the bulk collection of metadata is lawful.

That word "metadata" hides more sins than ANYONE knows.


Including a log of GPS coordinates on your phone, and therefore your person. A record of where and when nearly everyone was.
 
2013-12-27 04:00:30 PM

whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: OnlyM3: oh_please [TotalFark]


Didn't Obama promise to end all this crap?

Yes, yes he did.

Dude, you don't even believe in climate change. How are we to take you on your word on Obama's "hypocrisy?"

I believe in climate change and I think Obama is an authoritarian and a pathological liar.

Except you don't have any reason to believe either. Fox News type talking points aren't reasons, either.

Mad?


I guess if I had sold out my principles regarding civil liberties to defend every continued abuse of the Fourth Amendment blindly because of jingoism and party fealty, yes, I would be mad.
 
2013-12-27 04:01:35 PM
When are the services being held? Oh and please tell me it's not a black tie affair... I don't have a nice suit.
 
2013-12-27 04:01:48 PM

RanDomino: justtray


IMHO, the train is not moving, cost of fuel and all.
Just the windows show movement.
 
2013-12-27 04:02:19 PM

Prophet of Loss: Cold_Sassy: mudpants: Saw that one coming.

It was already here the moment the "Patriot Act" was signed into law.  Why did nobody realize it then?

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." ―


                                                                                       Rand Paul
 
2013-12-27 04:03:06 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: ReverendJynxed: We may as well have stayed British.

What makes you think they don't have their own flavor of this very same bullshiat?


That's why I said it. We went through the motions of leaving for no reason.
 
2013-12-27 04:03:08 PM
So two judges in a row declared it doesn't rise to Orwellion.
 
2013-12-27 04:03:32 PM

italie: lecavalier: The real question is would the NSA - or other government organizations - even give a fark if this or that court said it is illegal?


No.


QFT
 
2013-12-27 04:04:43 PM
I really don't like to say things like this but... the tinfoil hat bridage was right (probably about more things than we care to imagine or want to believe).
 
2013-12-27 04:06:07 PM

RanDomino: whidbey
Actually the "evidence" suggests that Al Qaeda really are enemies now, thanks to Bush.

Amazing. So now you are consciously adopting a bullshiat Bush-era GOP position and blaming it on Bush. On the other hand, this is basically what you guys have done with ACA, so I guess it's not inconsistent.


ACA was a good first step towards regulating the industry. Yes, I know you're going to snark on that too, and that I'm just a corporate whore to you for saying that. I don't expect any less from you anymore.

Also: No. "Al Qaeda" consists of Saudi mercenaries in Syria, desert bandits in the West African Sahel, and one faction of a civil war in Yemen. They are not, and never were, a serious threat to the people of the United States. Look, the fact that they aren't planting bombs along oil pipelines, which would be insanely easy and immediately burn the US economy to the ground, shows that they're not serious. I find it rather disgusting that you, of all people, are now trying to do the "BOOGA-BOOGA AL-QAEDA!" routine.

It's actually more disgusting to me that you would downplay what they're doing just because they don't set fire to oil pipelines.

given our current right-leaning political climate.

This is a pretty good illustration of why the Democrats continue to fail and march to the right. People aren't voting for conservatives because the political climate is right-leaning. They're voting for conservatives because the Democrats are SPINELESS WORMS.


Because they behave like representatives that reflect their voting base rather than right -wing hardiners like the Republicans, I guess that means they're "spineless" to you. But I'm not going to remind you once again that it's public apathy that's the real problem, because you'll probably try to steer this back to the "corporate masters" bullshiat again.

more than likely had good reason.

Of course. They must have, because if they didn't then that would make Obama look bad.


I'm not going to Google it for you, and that's frankly a bullshiat statement. Keep in mind who you're actually agreeing with in this discussion, and I'll leave it at that. I should be amused, really.
 
2013-12-27 04:12:20 PM

prjindigo: blacksharpiemarker: [www.infowars.com image 482x360]

You're gonna have to explain how we're "losing liberty" when someone watches us do it but doesn't tell the cops...

Total number of convictions made against U.S. Citizens based on information provided by the NSA: 0.  It is illegal to use such information in a law enforcement setting.


Well, you wouldn't really know how many convictions were made, because the policy and direction has been to "recreate" the investigative trail to hide the initial NSA provided tip.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennifergranick/2013/08/14/nsa-dea-irs-l ie -about-fact-that-americans-are-routinely-spied-on-by-our-government-ti me-for-a-special-prosecutor-2/
 When agents receive SOD information and rely on it to trigger investigations, they are directed to omit the SODs involvement from investigative reports, affidavits, discussions with prosecutors and courtroom testimony. Agents are instructed to then use "normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD." IRS agents receiving SOD data, which presumably can include information from the NSA, have been similarly instructed. They are instructed, in other words, to create a fake investigative file, and to lie. To lie, in particular, to defense lawyers and to judges, about the source of the evidence used in criminal prosecutions.
 
2013-12-27 04:14:31 PM

NorCalLos: Devil's advocate: If there are automated systems to store the data and no person actually accesses any individual's specific data without a warrant or reasonable suspicion or whatever the standard is, are your rights really violated?


Yes, they are. The gov't. doesn't get to steal my "papers" without a warrant.
 
2013-12-27 04:15:13 PM
i feel safer already...wait, there is a knock at the door.
 
2013-12-27 04:18:40 PM
I'd say we should mount a protest of thousands and thousands at NSA headquarters in Ft. Meade, MD, but they'd just capture all of our data from being at their location and put us on the no-fly list.
 
2013-12-27 04:20:28 PM

Ball Sack Obama: Oh, a Clinton appointee...

"Born in Glen Cove, New York, Pauley received an A.B. from Duke University in 1974 and a J.D. from Duke University School of Law in 1977. He was a law clerk, Office of the Nassau County Attorney, New York from 1977 to 1978. He was a Deputy county attorney of Nassau County Attorney' Office, New York in 1978. He was in private practice in New York City from 1978 to 1998. He was an Assistant counsel, New York State Assembly Minority Leader, New York from 1984 to 1998.
Pauley is a federal judge on the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. Pauley was nominated by President Bill Clinton on May 21, 1998, to a seat vacated by Peter K. Leisure. He was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 21, 1998, and received his commission on October 22, 1998.
Among his notable decisions was that involving Ben-ami Kadish, a U.S. national who pleaded guilty to passing classified information to Israel."


Figures
 
2013-12-27 04:20:46 PM
Do the people "arguing" with whidbey not realize that they're being trolled?
 
2013-12-27 04:21:34 PM
www.bbc.co.uk
hai guize watz goin on?
 
2013-12-27 04:22:44 PM

slayer199: The Democrats had control the House, Senate and Presidency for the first 2 years of Obama's tenure


This is simply not true. Even when everyone was present the Democrats had 58 members. There were two independents, Sanders and Lieberman, who did eventually vote yes on the ACA (in Lieberman's case only after major concessions) . For the vast majority of those two years not all Democratic senators were present. Kennedy was busy dying of cancer and after that he was busy being dead. Byrd was hospitalized for a large part of the session. The time where congress was in session and all 58 Democratic party members were present was just a handful of days.
 
2013-12-27 04:24:04 PM

Nobodyn0se: Ok, I'm the most lefty leftist to ever left in America, but this court case is being way overblown. Yall act like this is something new, or at the very oldest was brought about by the Patriot Act.

This has been established jurisprudence since long before most Farkers were born. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland

Phone call metadata is not subject to the Fourth Amendment. This is very old news. This current court case (and the one back in the 1970s) were NOT about call contents. There is nothing about wiretaps in this case. This is not about listening to your call contents.

Liberty did not die today. This isn't a big farking deal. Calm the fark down.


THIS
and they were doing the same thing to snail mail since ... day 1 pretty much.


The thing that IS different, is that we now have the technology to create complete (or close to complete) social networks. We can finally find out who is farking whom, snorting what, and lying about pretty much everything else.

And who shot JFK and JR.
 
2013-12-27 04:25:59 PM
This decision reads like a job application for a higher appointment.  Skimming it,  I've yet to find any acknowledgement that the NSA's purported safeguards and controls have been routinely violated by their own admission or that NSA data is finding its way to local jurisdictions.  There's seems to be zero comprehension of the fact that if nothing else, Snowden's leaks displayed an obvious lack of control over how NSA's data is accessed, irrespective of the assurances given to the FISA court. He essentially accepts every government arguments and assurances at face value, facts be damned.
 
2013-12-27 04:26:10 PM
farking 12 years and we're still shiatting our pants ahout 911.  farking pussies all of you.
 
2013-12-27 04:29:54 PM

Biological Ali: Do the people "arguing" with whidbey not realize that they're being trolled?


I'm not trolling anyone.

What's more, I would think you would agree with some of what I'm saying, or at least see the point, if you don't.
 
2013-12-27 04:30:41 PM

Biological Ali: Do the people "arguing" with whidbey not realize that they're being trolled?


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2013-12-27 04:34:50 PM
Balls still itch. We aren't getting anywhere.
 
2013-12-27 04:35:13 PM
I'm so glad my dad spent 4 years fighting Nazis for our freedom.
 
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