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2013-12-27 03:02:26 PM  

lecavalier: The real question is would the NSA - or other government organizations - even give a fark if this or that court said it is illegal?



No.
 
2013-12-27 03:02:44 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: whidbey: slayer199: whidbey: Ah you're just above all this, aren't you?

I hate both parties and have voted 3rd party since '92.  I'm not necessarily above it, but I'm not blind to the failings of either party...unlike yourself.

There are a few farkers here that are ardent leftists, that have been extremely critical of Obama on a number of civil liberties issues...whereas you do nothing to defend, defend, defend...and failing defense, blame Bush (buh-buh-buh BUSH!).  I don't agree with them on most issues, but at least I could respect them for maintaining the integrity of their ideology irrespective of party politics.  You sir, have none of that.

Dude, if you can't see that Bush got us where we're at, then you're as good as someone fervently supporting his failed political administration.

And what's more, you totally ignore the many many accomplishments of the past 5 years. I don't care to agree with you. You have more in common with the social conservatives.

Every time I see you in a thread I add another "[insert subject here] can do no wrong" to your favorite list. Surprising it took this long to get a president up there.

As a politically left-leaning individual, I find that folks like you are a huge part of the political problem in this country.


That's nice, Skippy.

Meantime, you keep pretending the past 10 years didn't happen, and that the Obama administration hasn't accomplished anything positive.
 
2013-12-27 03:02:59 PM  
"He added: "As the Sept. 11 attacks demonstrate, the cost of missing such a threat can be horrific." "

Yeah. Up till then, the warning signs were just too damn subtle.

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2013-12-27 03:03:09 PM  
Amazingly specious reasoning. I don't recall gun registries being collected after Columbine, after Sandy Hook. I don't recall there being any special software consultant registries after that plane flew into the IRS building in Texas. In fact, I seem to recall a doubling-down on gun rights and ownership, as well as a collective shrug that some AMERICAN nutbag flew a plane into the IRS building. I expect lawyers to resort to special pleading, but judges should be a lot smarter than that.
 
2013-12-27 03:03:52 PM  

whidbey: No we farking don't. It's due process. Deal with it.


You call the FISA Court due process?  A secret court that approves 99% of the requests?

Right...  be on your way citizen.
 
2013-12-27 03:06:39 PM  

whidbey: Perpetuous Procrastination: whidbey: slayer199: whidbey: Ah you're just above all this, aren't you?

I hate both parties and have voted 3rd party since '92.  I'm not necessarily above it, but I'm not blind to the failings of either party...unlike yourself.

There are a few farkers here that are ardent leftists, that have been extremely critical of Obama on a number of civil liberties issues...whereas you do nothing to defend, defend, defend...and failing defense, blame Bush (buh-buh-buh BUSH!).  I don't agree with them on most issues, but at least I could respect them for maintaining the integrity of their ideology irrespective of party politics.  You sir, have none of that.

Dude, if you can't see that Bush got us where we're at, then you're as good as someone fervently supporting his failed political administration.

And what's more, you totally ignore the many many accomplishments of the past 5 years. I don't care to agree with you. You have more in common with the social conservatives.

Every time I see you in a thread I add another "[insert subject here] can do no wrong" to your favorite list. Surprising it took this long to get a president up there.

As a politically left-leaning individual, I find that folks like you are a huge part of the political problem in this country.

That's nice, Skippy.

Meantime, you keep pretending the past 10 years didn't happen, and that the Obama administration hasn't accomplished anything positive.


You're pretty amazing at moving goal posts. What's your secret?
 
2013-12-27 03:07:15 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: whidbey: slayer199: whidbey: Ah you're just above all this, aren't you?

I hate both parties and have voted 3rd party since '92.  I'm not necessarily above it, but I'm not blind to the failings of either party...unlike yourself.

There are a few farkers here that are ardent leftists, that have been extremely critical of Obama on a number of civil liberties issues...whereas you do nothing to defend, defend, defend...and failing defense, blame Bush (buh-buh-buh BUSH!).  I don't agree with them on most issues, but at least I could respect them for maintaining the integrity of their ideology irrespective of party politics.  You sir, have none of that.

Dude, if you can't see that Bush got us where we're at, then you're as good as someone fervently supporting his failed political administration.

And what's more, you totally ignore the many many accomplishments of the past 5 years. I don't care to agree with you. You have more in common with the social conservatives.

Every time I see you in a thread I add another "[insert subject here] can do no wrong" to your favorite list. Surprising it took this long to get a president up there.

As a politically left-leaning individual, I find that folks like you are a huge part of the political problem in this country.


I think that if we recognized the underlying psychological concepts of humanity we might be able to pull out of this hyperpartisan rut.

We are very partisan people to the point of extremism, and this isn't just in the government sphere. We tend to do the same in religion, business, private clubs, gangs, etc. The problem is is that there needs to be healthy partisanism, not polarizing.
 
2013-12-27 03:07:44 PM  

slayer199: whidbey: slayer199: whidbey: Ah you're just above all this, aren't you?

I hate both parties and have voted 3rd party since '92.  I'm not necessarily above it, but I'm not blind to the failings of either party...unlike yourself.

There are a few farkers here that are ardent leftists, that have been extremely critical of Obama on a number of civil liberties issues...whereas you do nothing to defend, defend, defend...and failing defense, blame Bush (buh-buh-buh BUSH!).  I don't agree with them on most issues, but at least I could respect them for maintaining the integrity of their ideology irrespective of party politics.  You sir, have none of that.

Dude, if you can't see that Bush got us where we're at, then you're as good as someone fervently supporting his failed political administration.

And what's more, you totally ignore the many many accomplishments of the past 5 years. I don't care to agree with you. You have more in common with the social conservatives.

I'm not going to defend Bush as he was horrible.  Yes, he started it.  The Democrats swept Congress and the Presidency as a direct repudiation of Bush's policies.   Apparently, you like to conveniently ignore that the Democratic party had control of the House, Senate and Presidency and could have done something to reign in the power of the NSA, but passed the ACA instead.   Your Buh-buh-buh Bush is getting old and really can't be defended any longer.


As long as people keep ignoring the reason why we're in the farked up state we are, I'm going to keep reminding people (like you).

What has Obama specifically done for gay marriage?  Marijuana?  The states and courts have been more active in dealing with that (in fact, prior to Colorado and Washington legalizing pot, the DEA had raided more medical marijuana facilities in 4 years under Obama than 8 years of Bush).  When Colorado and Washington legalized pot (basically telling the Fed FU), then Obama said he wouldn't interfere.

Um, gay marriage is legal now, and whatever raids you're talking about more than likely had good reason.

Again, you really would be better off supporting this administration and getting off your high horse.

I can't help but think that you want a dictator who will wave a wand and fix everything immediately.
 
2013-12-27 03:08:18 PM  

justtray: BMulligan: Collecting metadata raises no significant Fourth Amendment issues and is, as far as I know, completely lawful. Accessing the actual content of communications is a completely different thing, and should always require a warrant.

BINGO.

How far are we? Roughly 150 posts and you're the first person to accurately understand the situation.

This isn't even a partisan issue. There's idiots on both sides of the aisle that are literally too stupid to comprehend this. I just wish they were less vocal about their technological retardation.

You get favorited now.


And then there's this:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/interactive/2013/jun/12/what-i s- metadata-nsa-surveillance#meta=0000000

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/06/phew-it-was-just-metadata-not-t hi nk-again/
 
2013-12-27 03:08:27 PM  
Instead of dying for your freedom, you can just turn over all your private shiat and be safe and sound while chaos is brewing all around you.You don't have to die for your freedom anymore.Everyone who died in WW2 were a bunch of farking idiots.
 
2013-12-27 03:08:52 PM  

whidbey: Perpetuous Procrastination: whidbey: slayer199: whidbey: Ah you're just above all this, aren't you?

I hate both parties and have voted 3rd party since '92.  I'm not necessarily above it, but I'm not blind to the failings of either party...unlike yourself.

There are a few farkers here that are ardent leftists, that have been extremely critical of Obama on a number of civil liberties issues...whereas you do nothing to defend, defend, defend...and failing defense, blame Bush (buh-buh-buh BUSH!).  I don't agree with them on most issues, but at least I could respect them for maintaining the integrity of their ideology irrespective of party politics.  You sir, have none of that.

Dude, if you can't see that Bush got us where we're at, then you're as good as someone fervently supporting his failed political administration.

And what's more, you totally ignore the many many accomplishments of the past 5 years. I don't care to agree with you. You have more in common with the social conservatives.

Every time I see you in a thread I add another "[insert subject here] can do no wrong" to your favorite list. Surprising it took this long to get a president up there.

As a politically left-leaning individual, I find that folks like you are a huge part of the political problem in this country.

That's nice, Skippy.

Meantime, you keep pretending the past 10 years didn't happen, and that the Obama administration hasn't accomplished anything positive.


Ok, why don't you list all of his major accomplishments AND failures.  I bet we get a lot of one and none of the other (or spin on his failures so it blames Bush).
 
2013-12-27 03:08:52 PM  

ToastTheRabbit: I think wat bothers me MOST is the fact that this "broad" surveillance really seems like the LEAST efficient way to accomplishing their goals.

If you have far more data than you could ever hope to sniff through.... why continue collecting shiat you will never be capable of vetting?

I am not a political guy... I have my booze, tv, steam account and enough money <just> to pay bills and rent... Typical compliant happy citizen... but even I say WTF?

Wouldnt a government need this type of collection if they were trying to spot signs of revolution in their people?



Yep. If this had anything to do with terrorism it would have been declared an abject failure after they were handed the Boston bombers on a silver platter and still failed to prevent the attack: it doesn't get any better than that and they still failed. If they can't succeed after having the perpetrators pointed out to them there is no possibility of succeeding under less ideal circumstances which renders the whole boondoggle an utter failure - unless their goal isn't addressing terrorism but perhaps the commission of economic espionage, blackmail, and eviscerating organized dissent.
 
2013-12-27 03:09:06 PM  

TV's Vinnie: "He added: "As the Sept. 11 attacks demonstrate, the cost of missing such a threat can be horrific." "

Yeah. Up till then, the warning signs were just too damn subtle.

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Are we really gonna have that conversation again? Sigh. I thought we moved on from that one.
 
2013-12-27 03:09:08 PM  

jakomo002: Boat-rockers will never win party support in the end.  Too risky for the actual power brokers.



Yeah, I guess it could really hurt his chances for re-election.


whidbey: The farked up thing is that if he did any of this, it would cause a major shiatstorm with the hardliners.

I believe Obama realized that he's only going to accomplish so much as President, and ending the War Machine wasn't going to be one of those accomplishments.

Chalk it up to inexperience in dealing with hardliners, knowledge we're not privvy to, whatever.

To me, it just reiterates that we have a much bigger problem in our government, and it's the hardliners who want this country to be an aggressive empire.


So the hardliners would flip out... So what? Is it going to hurt his re-election chances? The hardliners are already flipping out every time he wakes up and doesn't resign. Who gives a fark what the unpersuadable think? By definition there's no point in worrying about their opinions, so we should all do what's right and flip the hardliners the bird as we do it.

The "knowledge we're not privy to" thing? Yeah.... That's the kind of thing I remember hearing a whole lot from the right side of the political fence back in the Bush years. That kind of reasoning is part of how other countries end up with dictators. You're better than that.
 
2013-12-27 03:09:51 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: whidbey: Perpetuous Procrastination: whidbey: slayer199: whidbey: Ah you're just above all this, aren't you?

I hate both parties and have voted 3rd party since '92.  I'm not necessarily above it, but I'm not blind to the failings of either party...unlike yourself.

There are a few farkers here that are ardent leftists, that have been extremely critical of Obama on a number of civil liberties issues...whereas you do nothing to defend, defend, defend...and failing defense, blame Bush (buh-buh-buh BUSH!).  I don't agree with them on most issues, but at least I could respect them for maintaining the integrity of their ideology irrespective of party politics.  You sir, have none of that.

Dude, if you can't see that Bush got us where we're at, then you're as good as someone fervently supporting his failed political administration.

And what's more, you totally ignore the many many accomplishments of the past 5 years. I don't care to agree with you. You have more in common with the social conservatives.

Every time I see you in a thread I add another "[insert subject here] can do no wrong" to your favorite list. Surprising it took this long to get a president up there.

As a politically left-leaning individual, I find that folks like you are a huge part of the political problem in this country.

That's nice, Skippy.

Meantime, you keep pretending the past 10 years didn't happen, and that the Obama administration hasn't accomplished anything positive.

You're pretty amazing at moving goal posts. What's your secret?


I haven't "moved" anything. I replied as best as I could to your vague self-righteous post as I possibly could.

You basically ignore the past 10 years, and say that I'm the problem.

Good one.
 
2013-12-27 03:09:52 PM  

fisker: Instead of dying for your freedom, you can just turn over all your private shiat and be safe and sound while chaos is brewing all around you.You don't have to die for your freedom anymore.Everyone who died in WW2 were a bunch of farking idiots.


Somebody is going to have to die.
Your politicians pick YOU!
 
2013-12-27 03:10:05 PM  
Hardly surprising. I'm sure they'll bring out many more prominent appointees and officials who are in the pockets of those who want to sustain the status quo here.

I've been trying to think about what the endgame is in this entire situation, because unless the Supreme Court makes another legendarily awful decision on the basis of not really understanding the facts (like they did with Citizens vs United, which is one of the worst rulings they've ever made), chances are good the NSA is going to get reeled in by SCOTUS or eventual Congressional mandate to preserve the fourth amendment.

But if that happens, this activity isn't going to stop; it's just going to masquerade under a different name. What I see as being likely is that some benign government program that requires registration (Social Security, Selective Service, etc) will be used secondarily as an opt-in process for data collection. Once you've opted in, you can't easily opt out. If you are a conscientious objector, you're investigated and perhaps even harassed. Within a generation, signing away these rights becomes a common activity because, after all, it's the path of least resistance and so few of us have anything to hide.

That sort of thinking would have sounded paranoid and crazy to me a few years ago, but right now, it seems inevitable.
 
2013-12-27 03:11:10 PM  

garron: Liberty is a Christian value believe it or not.



Holy shiat that's rich. You should bag that up and sell it, chief!
 
2013-12-27 03:11:34 PM  

slayer199: Ok, why don't you list all of his major accomplishments AND failures.  I bet we get a lot of one and none of the other (or spin on his failures so it blames Bush).


Not your farking secretary, slayer, it's an easy Google, and it's a huge list.

You are disingenuous.
 
2013-12-27 03:13:15 PM  

slayer199: whidbey: No we farking don't. It's due process. Deal with it.

You call the FISA Court due process?  A secret court that approves 99% of the requests?

Right...  be on your way citizen.


Haven't you heard?  The FISA court is all Bush's fault.  And Obama only uses it for the purest of causes.
 
2013-12-27 03:13:32 PM  

lecavalier: The real question is would the NSA - or other government organizations - even give a fark if this or that court said it is illegal?


Only one care in the world, who holds out their MONEY.
 
2013-12-27 03:14:02 PM  

whidbey: As long as people keep ignoring the reason why we're in the farked up state we are, I'm going to keep reminding people (like you).


And you conveniently ignore that while the Democrats had control of Congress they did nothing to reign in the Patriot Act.

What has Obama specifically done for gay marriage? Marijuana? The states and courts have been more active in dealing with that (in fact, prior to Colorado and Washington legalizing pot, the DEA had raided more medical marijuana facilities in 4 years under Obama than 8 years of Bush). When Colorado and Washington legalized pot (basically telling the Fed FU), then Obama said he wouldn't interfere.

Um, gay marriage is legal now, and whatever raids you're talking about more than likely had good reason.

Again, you really would be better off supporting this administration and getting off your high horse.

I can't help but think that you want a dictator who will wave a wand and fix everything immediately.


Obama had nothing to do with gay marriage.  Courts and the states did (18 states have legalized same-sex marriage).

And no, those medical marijuana clinics were operating under state law...and were raided by the Federales (DEA).

The Democrats HAD the power for the first 2 years of the Obama Presidency...and what did they do?  They passed the ACA.  They didn't repeal the Patriot Act.  They didn't legalize gay marriage at the federal level.  They expanded the power of the federal government...they didn't retract it.
 
2013-12-27 03:15:19 PM  
So the judge says that 9/11 could have been prevented if NSA had the megadata collection abilities they now have.  What did he base this conclusion on?  Probably information presented to him by NSA which is classified so that no one else can see it and draw a different conclusion.  Sounds fair to me.
 
2013-12-27 03:15:31 PM  

whidbey: Not your farking secretary, slayer, it's an easy Google, and it's a huge list.

You are disingenuous.


Hahahah.  Because you do nothing but defend Obama no matter what.  There's a huge list of failures but I'm sure you'd deflect, spin, or deny them anyway.
 
2013-12-27 03:15:41 PM  

slayer199: Ok, why don't you list all of his major accomplishments AND failures.  I bet we get a lot of one and none of the other (or spin on his failures so it blames Bush).


No offense to whidbey(well, maybe a smidge ;), but only a goddamned idiot would have a conversation with you, slayer of reason and destroyer of logic.
 
2013-12-27 03:15:57 PM  

mongbiohazard: To me, it just reiterates that we have a much bigger problem in our government, and it's the hardliners who want this country to be an aggressive empire.

So the hardliners would flip out... So what? Is it going to hurt his re-election chances? The hardliners are already flipping out every time he wakes up and doesn't resign. Who gives a fark what the unpersuadable think? By definition there's no point in worrying about their opinions, so we should all do what's right and flip the hardliners the bird as we do it.


Agreed. It sounds good in theory. But in practice....

The "knowledge we're not privy to" thing? Yeah.... That's the kind of thing I remember hearing a whole lot from the right side of the political fence back in the Bush years. That kind of reasoning is part of how other countries end up with dictators. You're better than that.

Except Bush used fake intelligence to get what he (Cheney) wanted. Are you really going to deny that because of the past 10 years that we're not in a lot more deep shiat because of these policies?
 
2013-12-27 03:16:07 PM  

slayer199: whidbey: As long as people keep ignoring the reason why we're in the farked up state we are, I'm going to keep reminding people (like you).

And you conveniently ignore that while the Democrats had control of Congress they did nothing to reign in the Patriot Act.

What has Obama specifically done for gay marriage? Marijuana? The states and courts have been more active in dealing with that (in fact, prior to Colorado and Washington legalizing pot, the DEA had raided more medical marijuana facilities in 4 years under Obama than 8 years of Bush). When Colorado and Washington legalized pot (basically telling the Fed FU), then Obama said he wouldn't interfere.

Um, gay marriage is legal now, and whatever raids you're talking about more than likely had good reason.

Again, you really would be better off supporting this administration and getting off your high horse.

I can't help but think that you want a dictator who will wave a wand and fix everything immediately.

Obama had nothing to do with gay marriage.  Courts and the states did (18 states have legalized same-sex marriage).

And no, those medical marijuana clinics were operating under state law...and were raided by the Federales (DEA).

The Democrats HAD the power for the first 2 years of the Obama Presidency...and what did they do?  They passed the ACA.  They didn't repeal the Patriot Act.  They didn't legalize gay marriage at the federal level.  They expanded the power of the federal government...they didn't retract it.


Stop bringing reality into this thread. You might just displace his delusions. He would just be another drone after that.
 
2013-12-27 03:16:41 PM  

runwiz: So the judge says that 9/11 could have been prevented if NSA had the megadata collection abilities they now have. What did he base this conclusion on? Probably information presented to him by NSA which is classified so that no one else can see it and draw a different conclusion. Sounds fair to me.


Completely ignoring that the intel was available prior to 9/11 to prevent it...but the CIA and FBI wouldn't play together.  The NSA had nothing to do with prevention.
 
2013-12-27 03:17:48 PM  
JolobinSmokin


Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

You really should get your bush-derangement-syndrome treated.
1) Obama expanded the spying evil-bush did. You blame republicans.
2) Democrat controlled senate supports obama spy program. You blame republicans.
3) obama's Justice Department defends spy program in court. You blame republicans.
*** This department reports directly to president (obama - Democrat)
*** This department is led by:
>>>> Eric Holder (democrat)- obama appointee
>>>> James Michael Cole (democrat) recess appointment by obama
------- Remember the recess appointments you biatched about bush making? I know.. It's only wrong when R's do it.
4) The judge that sides with obama's legal team in supporting the spying is Judge William Pauley -- clinton (Democrat) appointee. You blame republicans.

Responsibility. Learn to take some.
 
2013-12-27 03:18:26 PM  

slayer199: whidbey: Not your farking secretary, slayer, it's an easy Google, and it's a huge list.

You are disingenuous.

Hahahah.  Because you do nothing but defend Obama no matter what.  There's a huge list of failures but I'm sure you'd deflect, spin, or deny them anyway.


Actually, if you're going to continue to deny the accomplishments of the past 5 years, then we're done here.

Repeating the same trollish talking points doesn't advance you any.
 
2013-12-27 03:19:16 PM  

joonyer: No offense to whidbey(well, maybe a smidge ;), but only a goddamned idiot would have a conversation with you, slayer of reason and destroyer of logic.


I'm not the illogical one in this thread, "Whidbey the Blind" is the one that can't do anything more than defend the Obama administration.
 
2013-12-27 03:20:44 PM  

slayer199: whidbey: As long as people keep ignoring the reason why we're in the farked up state we are, I'm going to keep reminding people (like you).

And you conveniently ignore that while the Democrats had control of Congress they did nothing to reign in the Patriot Act.

What has Obama specifically done for gay marriage? Marijuana? The states and courts have been more active in dealing with that (in fact, prior to Colorado and Washington legalizing pot, the DEA had raided more medical marijuana facilities in 4 years under Obama than 8 years of Bush). When Colorado and Washington legalized pot (basically telling the Fed FU), then Obama said he wouldn't interfere.

Um, gay marriage is legal now, and whatever raids you're talking about more than likely had good reason.

Again, you really would be better off supporting this administration and getting off your high horse.

I can't help but think that you want a dictator who will wave a wand and fix everything immediately.

Obama had nothing to do with gay marriage.  Courts and the states did (18 states have legalized same-sex marriage).

And no, those medical marijuana clinics were operating under state law...and were raided by the Federales (DEA).

The Democrats HAD the power for the first 2 years of the Obama Presidency...and what did they do?  They passed the ACA.  They didn't repeal the Patriot Act.  They didn't legalize gay marriage at the federal level.  They expanded the power of the federal government...they didn't retract it.


Still talking shiat, I see.
 
2013-12-27 03:21:54 PM  

cman: Stop bringing reality into this thread. You might just displace his delusions. He would just be another drone after that.


Remember that "fake liberal" crack I made at you yesterday?

Keep proving it.
 
2013-12-27 03:23:13 PM  

mongbiohazard: browntimmy: Well, the terrorists hate us for our freedom, right? So if we give it all up, problem solved.


I know a guy who was in the US Special forces in Afghanistan. Sometimes he had to shoot the Taliban and other affiliated Afghanis who were doing bad stuff, other times he sat and talked with them trying to negotiate peace.

I one time said that, among other reasons, they hated us for our freedom and he pretty much tore me a new asshole. Apparently, they have a lot of reasons to hate us, but enjoying our personal freedoms in the comfort of our affluent first world nation on the other side of the world isn't one of them. A long history of us killing folks throughout the Arab world, destabilizing/toppling their governments we don't like and generally being arrogant pricks who care only about what resources we can buy no matter what the cost in human lives and misery will be - and not even our own principles - is what really pisses them off. If we hadn't mucked about with their country and their neighbors as well they wouldn't be inclined to give a fark about us at all.

I did get him to agree that the freedoms that define the values of our culture do play some small part in why "they" hate us, but he is certain that it's a small part and indirect. Basically, in that we could never just stand idly by while they slaughter their own people with impugnity and turn women in to essentially livestock... Our values and freedoms make it inevitable for our cultures to clash in some way over things like that. But if we kept to ourselves and didn't muddle about in the affairs of pretty much every majority Islamic country apparently they really wouldn't give two shiats about us enjoying our freedoms back at home. Our freedoms were basically a slightly amusing curiousity to them and that's about it.


I was joking about the "they hate us for our freedom" part. But a couple other people missed the joke too so I'll take the blame, I probably should have purposely misspelled it or something.
 
2013-12-27 03:24:08 PM  

quizzical: TFA:   Pauley said the fact that the ACLU would never have learned about an order authorizing collection of telephony metadata related to its telephone numbers but for Snowden's disclosures added "another level of absurdity in this case."
"It cannot possibly be that lawbreaking conduct by a government contractor that reveals state secrets -- including the means and methods of intelligence gathering -- could frustrate Congress's intent. To hold otherwise would spawn mischief," he wrote.

The government might have been doing something illegal, but because it was illegal for Snowden to reveal that fact, , no one can take action to investigate the possible illegality of the government's actions?  Bullshiat.


I'm sick of hearing about how rulings would "encourage" this or that behavior.  What the *flying fark* does that have to do with your decision?  The ruling should be about constitutionality and legality and very the fark little else.

Wouldn't want to end the failed war on drugs or we'd encourage drug use.  Wouldn't want to let kids learn about safe sex or they'd become sluts.  Wouldn't want to rule on the legality of a country spying on its citizens because that would encourage people to blow more whistles...

Fark that noise.
 
2013-12-27 03:24:19 PM  
oh_please [TotalFark]


Didn't Obama promise to end all this crap?

Yes, yes he did.
upl.co
 
2013-12-27 03:24:29 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.


One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending
 
2013-12-27 03:24:39 PM  

whidbey: cman: Stop bringing reality into this thread. You might just displace his delusions. He would just be another drone after that.

Remember that "fake liberal" crack I made at you yesterday?

Keep proving it.


I have no idea why you call me that. I don't pretend to be a liberal.
 
2013-12-27 03:25:56 PM  

cman: whidbey: cman: Stop bringing reality into this thread. You might just displace his delusions. He would just be another drone after that.

Remember that "fake liberal" crack I made at you yesterday?

Keep proving it.

I have no idea why you call me that. I don't pretend to be a liberal.


Yeah ya do. You could at least admit it once in a while.

Or be more true to what you do believe.
 
2013-12-27 03:27:03 PM  

OnlyM3: oh_please [TotalFark]


Didn't Obama promise to end all this crap?

Yes, yes he did.


Dude, you don't even believe in climate change. How are we to take you on your word on Obama's "hypocrisy?"
 
2013-12-27 03:27:11 PM  

JerseyTim: He ruled the bulk collection of metadata is lawful.


That word "metadata" hides more sins than ANYONE knows.
 
2013-12-27 03:27:31 PM  
eurotrader [TotalFark]

I may not have agreed with Feingold on everything but he at least tried to do the job of a Senator and represent the interests of the American people

Not to be pedantic, but no. The job of a senator is to represent their state in the Federal government.
The job of representing the American people falls to the house.
 
2013-12-27 03:28:11 PM  

fullyfarked: JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending


Both sides are bad.

I've never heard that before.
 
2013-12-27 03:29:18 PM  

whidbey: Repeating the same trollish talking points doesn't advance you any.


That's always so rich of you.
 
2013-12-27 03:29:23 PM  
We may as well have stayed British.
 
2013-12-27 03:29:30 PM  

fullyfarked: JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending


And it should go without saying that until "libertarian" is a viable political alternative, you ARE voting Republican these next few elections.

Jesus I could go all day like this. Somebody else post.
 
2013-12-27 03:29:32 PM  
Fark you judge.  9/11 does not overrule the Constitution, you illiterate piece of shiat.
 
2013-12-27 03:32:01 PM  

whidbey: cman: whidbey: cman: Stop bringing reality into this thread. You might just displace his delusions. He would just be another drone after that.

Remember that "fake liberal" crack I made at you yesterday?

Keep proving it.

I have no idea why you call me that. I don't pretend to be a liberal.

Yeah ya do. You could at least admit it once in a while.

Or be more true to what you do believe.


What in the world are you talking about?
 
2013-12-27 03:33:24 PM  

JolobinSmokin: fullyfarked: JolobinSmokin: Republican controlled house does absolutely nothing about this thru legislation while bashing Obama.

One of many reasons I'm libertarian, not Republican.

Republican Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Democrats; 4) Reelection; 5) Legislate morality
Democrat Priorities:
1) Self; 2) Party; 3) Bash the Republicans; 4) Reelection; 5) Buy votes with government spending

Both sides are bad.

I've never heard that before.


Well you'll here it from me.

I align myself with no party nor their ideologies. All are humans, and humans are untrustworthy, dangerous, and corruptible, thus, so are their governments.
 
2013-12-27 03:34:22 PM  

whidbey: OnlyM3: oh_please [TotalFark]


Didn't Obama promise to end all this crap?

Yes, yes he did.

Dude, you don't even believe in climate change. How are we to take you on your word on Obama's "hypocrisy?"


I believe in climate change and I think Obama is an authoritarian and a pathological liar.
 
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