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(The New York Times)   Progressive governor of Connecticut shows those red-state haters the true meaning of compassion, making sure that $25 million in essential welfare benefits go to ESPN   (nytimes.com) divider line 76
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2013-12-27 12:00:15 PM
Because no one else gives subsidies to businesses in order for them to bring their business to their state.

Wait? Did I say no one? I mean everyone.

Heck, Rick Perry went around practically bribing businesses to come to Texas.
 
2013-12-27 12:00:19 PM
Hey, I live in Bristol, right down the street from ESPN in fact, and my low property taxes are dependent on those offices staying where they are! Seriously though, Malloy is a douche, and a very unpopular one at that, I wouldn't be surprised if he had someone in his own party run against him in 2014, and the GOP has a good shot at reclaiming the seat.
 
2013-12-27 12:12:48 PM

spman:  Malloy is a douche, and a very unpopular one at that, I wouldn't be surprised if he had someone in his own party run against him in 2014, and the GOP has a good shot at reclaiming the seat.


Unpopular? Sure, unless you have that not-so-fresh feeling.
 
2013-12-27 12:15:45 PM
For the children.
 
2013-12-27 12:19:24 PM
$260 million over 12 years, or $21.7/year.
With 4000 workers, that's $5,417 per job.
Not terrible. What is the average state tax burden in CT?
Is this arrangement one of the rare ones that actually theoretically pays for itself?
(Of course, this assumes they would leave without the breaks, which as the article points out, is unlikely)
 
2013-12-27 12:23:23 PM
Hey Subby, maybe you haven't heard yet.  Many states do this to ensure that a good tax base stays or relocates to their state.

Metlife is coming to my area because the Gov here gave them millions.

Long Term investment and such
 
2013-12-27 12:24:55 PM
They're giving tax breaks to job creators for actually creating jobs? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2013-12-27 12:28:02 PM

spman: Hey, I live in Bristol, right down the street from ESPN in fact, and my low property taxes are dependent on those offices staying where they are! Seriously though, Malloy is a douche, and a very unpopular one at that, I wouldn't be surprised if he had someone in his own party run against him in 2014, and the GOP has a good shot at reclaiming the seat.


I have no feelings on Mallow either way, but he's hardly unpopular. He has a 47% approval rating. Not great, but not bad.
 
2013-12-27 12:29:44 PM
If you don't, someone else will. It's not California, people aren't clamoring to freeze their butt off 9 months a year
 
2013-12-27 12:30:50 PM

DamnYankees: spman: Hey, I live in Bristol, right down the street from ESPN in fact, and my low property taxes are dependent on those offices staying where they are! Seriously though, Malloy is a douche, and a very unpopular one at that, I wouldn't be surprised if he had someone in his own party run against him in 2014, and the GOP has a good shot at reclaiming the seat.

I have no feelings on Mallow either way, but he's hardly unpopular. He has a 47% approval rating. Not great, but not bad.


There has been almost zero polling for the 2014 race, but the last one that was taken had Tom Foley beating him quite easily, and a couple of relatively unknown candidates running neck and neck with him. We'll see how it goes I guess.
 
2013-12-27 12:33:35 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Hey Subby, maybe you haven't heard yet.  Many states do this to ensure that a good tax base stays or relocates to their state.

Metlife is coming to my area because the Gov here gave them millions.

Long Term investment and such


No no no. All democrats have to hate business and want people to buy stuff only from local farmer's markets with government assistance, that way they will always be beholden to their Demoncrat overlords.

A Demoncrat helping a business must mean they're part of the gay agenda.
 
2013-12-27 12:34:01 PM
That is nothing compared to what Washington state gives to Boeing.
 
2013-12-27 12:37:10 PM

spman: Seriously though, Malloy is a douche, and a very unpopular one at that


Nailed it. PPP has continuously had polls where he is rated one of the most unpopular governors in the US. And really, with the competition coming from people like Walker, you have to try to get that title.
 
2013-12-27 12:39:31 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Metlife is coming to my area because the Gov here gave them millions.


Except ESPN has been here for years now.
 
2013-12-27 12:42:32 PM
"After I was elected, this was one of the first companies that I came to," Mr. Malloy told reporters after the groundbreaking ceremony, standing next to a senior ESPN executive, according to a recording of the event. "I made it clear that ESPN's needs were not going to be ignored by my administration."

This is why I wouldn't make a good governor.
 
2013-12-27 12:42:38 PM

wiseolddude: That is nothing compared to what Washington state gives to Boeing.


And they still (mostly) left.

/can't wait for China to swing some deal where they build their planes in Everett.
 
2013-12-27 12:44:30 PM
Tax breaks are part of business these days. There are many locales that  may have paid the same or more to get an employer the size of ESPN to their town.
 
2013-12-27 12:44:37 PM

Soup4Bonnie: "After I was elected, this was one of the first companies that I came to," Mr. Malloy told reporters after the groundbreaking ceremony, standing next to a senior ESPN executive, according to a recording of the event. "I made it clear that ESPN's needs were not going to be ignored by my administration."

This is why I wouldn't make a good governor.


I get the business tax breaks, but what never gets written into the contracts is "if you get the tax break and then still leave, you pay it back."
 
2013-12-27 12:45:31 PM
And in Texas, this story would ahve read:  "Rick Perry celebrates bringing the glorious job creators to our glorious republic, and away from the lib'url servant states."
 
2013-12-27 12:49:37 PM
This is a surprise to anyone? It's been the case for some time that governments enact whatever tax and regulatory burden they want for the masses, and when businesses and their buddies start biatching and threatening to leave you exempt them or throw some public money their way. The unimportant and unconnected can go screw themselves. This is what political gasbags call "everyone doing their fair share" these days.
 
2013-12-27 12:51:35 PM

whither_apophis: wiseolddude: That is nothing compared to what Washington state gives to Boeing.

And they still (mostly) left.

/can't wait for China to swing some deal where they build their planes in Everett.


I'll find it hilarious when we get Airbus to come to town and take advantage of all the extremely skilled and experienced workers to build the planes that are currently kicking Boeing's ass.
 
2013-12-27 12:58:23 PM

nmrsnr: Because no one else gives subsidies to businesses in order for them to bring their business to their state.

Wait? Did I say no one? I mean everyone.

Heck, Rick Perry went around practically bribing businesses to come to Texas.


Shouldn't the private sector determine where businesses establish themselves? Why do they need handouts?
 
2013-12-27 01:07:06 PM

robbiex0r: Shouldn't the private sector determine where businesses establish themselves? Why do they need handouts?


Shouldn't the private sector determine where taxes and government regulations are most favorable for a business? That doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-12-27 01:08:30 PM
Connecticut is one of the richest states in the US, subby. They can handle it.

But you knew that.
 
2013-12-27 01:11:10 PM
Subby is trying too hard.
 
2013-12-27 01:24:11 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Hey Subby, maybe you haven't heard yet.  Many states do this to ensure that a good tax base stays or relocates to their state.

Metlife is coming to my area because the Gov here gave them millions.

Long Term investment and such


Cary, NC?
 
2013-12-27 01:38:18 PM

nmrsnr: Because no one else gives subsidies to businesses in order for them to bring their business to their state.

Wait? Did I say no one? I mean everyone.

Heck, Rick Perry went around practically bribing businesses to come to Texas.


Sounds like you are one of those hippie Welfare Queen lovin' pinko red commies.
 
2013-12-27 01:43:08 PM
 

robbiex0r: nmrsnr: Because no one else gives subsidies to businesses in order for them to bring their business to their state.

Wait? Did I say no one? I mean everyone.

Heck, Rick Perry went around practically bribing businesses to come to Texas.

Shouldn't the private sector determine where businesses establish themselves? Why do they need handouts?


Business requires welfare because if they were not paid to build structures by governments, those businesses would not build anything at all.  The ESPN building is not a zero-sum game.  ESPN would just close down and never hire anyone unless they were given welfare by some government.
This is the understanding that all of the GOP shills on this site have.  Business could NEVER be done unless there are no taxes and they were given welfare.  Business must be bribed.

I wonder how business ever opened before they were bribed?

By the tone of the GOP shills, ESPN would never hire people or build something unless they were given welfare.  No wonder the Republicans drove the US into the ground when they controlled both houses and the presidency.  No wonder they allowed the Saudis to blow up the WTC.
 
2013-12-27 01:50:57 PM
It's basically a grant to the City of Bristol. Connecticut gives tax breaks to ESPN, ESPN gives property taxes to Bristol, Bristol uses that money to clean up the addicts and potholes.
 
2013-12-27 02:02:48 PM
Can't wait for Cable TV to die. Once their forced channel packages go tits-up, ESPN will lose easily half their income.
 
2013-12-27 02:04:06 PM

manwithplanx: It's basically a grant to the City of Bristol. Connecticut gives tax breaks to ESPN, ESPN gives property taxes to Bristol, Bristol uses that money to clean up the addicts and potholes.



I hope they aren't using the one to fill the other.

/Soylent Tarmac is people!
 
2013-12-27 02:11:29 PM
We shouldn't allow state and local governments do this type of thing - too much favoritism.

Instead, these governments should apply the same tax laws to everyone in their jurisdiction and compete thusly.
 
2013-12-27 02:20:10 PM
nmrsnr
Wait? Did I say no one? I mean everyone.

If all the other states jumped off a bridge, would you?
 
2013-12-27 02:34:21 PM

RanDomino: If all the other states jumped off a bridge, would you?


I would have to stop and wonder what was so appealing about jumping off that bridge. But I certainly wouldn't say "hey everybody, let's get angry that Missouri in particular is jumping off a bridge."
 
2013-12-27 02:39:25 PM
Admittedly I'm not a huge sports fan but... why does it take 4000 people to report on sports? How many games are going on at any given time? And sports seasons only go on part of the year so they can reuse some people for different sports, right? I don't know.
 
2013-12-27 02:47:56 PM
Not like ESPN has ever done anything for Connecticut. We'd definitely all know where Bristol was and there would definitely be civilization there without ESPN. Those bunch of lazy moochers.
 
2013-12-27 03:02:20 PM
Well someone has to report on the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry 24/7
 
2013-12-27 03:18:37 PM

rosebud_the_sled: robbiex0r: nmrsnr: Because no one else gives subsidies to businesses in order for them to bring their business to their state.

Wait? Did I say no one? I mean everyone.

Heck, Rick Perry went around practically bribing businesses to come to Texas.

Shouldn't the private sector determine where businesses establish themselves? Why do they need handouts?

Business requires welfare because if they were not paid to build structures by governments, those businesses would not build anything at all.  The ESPN building is not a zero-sum game.  ESPN would just close down and never hire anyone unless they were given welfare by some government.
This is the understanding that all of the GOP shills on this site have.  Business could NEVER be done unless there are no taxes and they were given welfare.  Business must be bribed.

I wonder how business ever opened before they were bribed?

By the tone of the GOP shills, ESPN would never hire people or build something unless they were given welfare.  No wonder the Republicans drove the US into the ground when they controlled both houses and the presidency.  No wonder they allowed the Saudis to blow up the WTC.


So you agree the progressives were wrong here and robbed from the state?

Got it.
 
2013-12-27 03:36:44 PM
Ah, there is no welfare like corporate welfare.

/ free market capitalism my ass.
 
2013-12-27 03:37:01 PM
I'm actually impressed that this was a standard pork and corruption article, rather that an article complaining that janitors at ESPN got food stamps.

// Amendment XXX: No individual entity shall receive any special tax consideration or be grantred any public funds except as payment for goods or services.
 
2013-12-27 03:37:47 PM
Nemo's Brother: I have a lot of brain problems. Please give me a cat

Indeed.
 
2013-12-27 03:47:11 PM

BMFPitt: I'm actually impressed that this was a standard pork and corruption article, rather that an article complaining that janitors at ESPN got food stamps.

// Amendment XXX: No individual entity shall receive any special tax consideration or be granted any public funds except as payment for goods or services.


That's called Amendment XIV : No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
2013-12-27 03:51:36 PM

jigger: BMFPitt: I'm actually impressed that this was a standard pork and corruption article, rather that an article complaining that janitors at ESPN got food stamps.

// Amendment XXX: No individual entity shall receive any special tax consideration or be granted any public funds except as payment for goods or services.

That's called Amendment XIV : No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


So do tell. How does either prohibit governments from promoting private business interests?

And yes, I want specific language.
 
2013-12-27 03:52:55 PM

jigger: BMFPitt: I'm actually impressed that this was a standard pork and corruption article, rather that an article complaining that janitors at ESPN got food stamps.

// Amendment XXX: No individual entity shall receive any special tax consideration or be granted any public funds except as payment for goods or services.

That's called Amendment XIV : No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


While I would love to agree, the courts clearly see things differently.
 
2013-12-27 03:56:08 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Admittedly I'm not a huge sports fan but... why does it take 4000 people to report on sports? How many games are going on at any given time? And sports seasons only go on part of the year so they can reuse some people for different sports, right? I don't know.


My guess is that it's not just about the reporting, but all the TV production, IT support, and office support too.  Plus, there ARE a lot of games going on.  ESPN doesn't just report on major professional sports, there's college stuff, international sports (there's a scoreboard for cricket up on the main page right now -- big tournament in Australia, apparently), and speculation about offseason moves for the sports that aren't in season.  There's standard game coverage and regionally-focused coverage (coverage targeted at major markets like NYC, Boston, Dallas, Chicago, LA etc).  Then there's whatever Grantland does, although I don't know if that's even based in Bristol.
 
2013-12-27 03:57:16 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Admittedly I'm not a huge sports fan but... why does it take 4000 people to report on sports? How many games are going on at any given time? And sports seasons only go on part of the year so they can reuse some people for different sports, right? I don't know.


In fact, you might even say sports reporting is needlessly complicated.
 
2013-12-27 04:44:07 PM

whidbey: jigger: BMFPitt: I'm actually impressed that this was a standard pork and corruption article, rather that an article complaining that janitors at ESPN got food stamps.

// Amendment XXX: No individual entity shall receive any special tax consideration or be granted any public funds except as payment for goods or services.

That's called Amendment XIV : No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

So do tell. How does either prohibit governments from promoting private business interests?

And yes, I want specific language.


You don't see how giving one specific person special tax breaks that others cannot enjoy violates the equal protection of the law?
 
2013-12-27 04:52:25 PM

Thrag: Subby is trying too hard.


That was obvious when subby tried to pin the "progressive" label on him.
 
2013-12-27 04:54:29 PM

Arkanaut: Needlessly Complicated: Admittedly I'm not a huge sports fan but... why does it take 4000 people to report on sports? How many games are going on at any given time? And sports seasons only go on part of the year so they can reuse some people for different sports, right? I don't know.

In fact, you might even say sports reporting is needlessly complicated.


A few things....

One, whether it is "good" or not... sports is a huge, huge business.  As you said, your not a "huge sports" fan, and what I always get from non-sports fans is that they can't somehow "understand" how it is so popular and gets so much money... and then go out and spend $30 at the movie theater, or $100 for a concert.   Sports is just "entertainment" just like movies, TV, music, theatre, video games, etc.   Sports stars get huge contracts because they are the "draw" (as an exceptional athlete in their sport that leads their teams to wins) and facilitate the ticket sales, jersey/paraphernalia sales, TV viewership, etc, just like George Clooney gets $20 million a movie because he can bring in audiences just because he's in a movie.

As far as "why does it take 4000 people to report on sports"... well, that isn't ALL reporters (the article just said "4,000 employees")... you have researchers, TV production crews, statisticians, and just all of the regular people you'd have in any office, finance, HR, etc.   In addition, to your question, yes, some on-air people are just "general" on-air talent, and get used everywhere, but, they have a lot of various talent that is "specific"... generally ex-players of a certain sport (mostly football, basketball, baseball, and then a handful for other sports, although more for sports they might have rights to, like NASCAR) are used only for on-air analysis or coverage of that sport.... a football guy, other than if they break out and have a general sports show like Mike Golic on Mike & Mike, isn't going to give opinions on baseball and hockey.  And, ESPN has around 8 networks of 24-hour programming going on, plus syndicated events and shows that only get put up online... they make an almost obscene amount of video daily.
 
2013-12-27 05:31:46 PM
With nearly 100 million households paying about $5.54 a month for ESPN, regardless of whether they watch it, the network takes in more than $6 billion a year in subscriber fees alone.

This is why you are never going to get A la Carte cable people. With that type of money going to the networks broadcasting on cable, they will never let you pick and choose what channels you want.
 
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