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2013-12-27 08:58:03 AM  
7 votes:

Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.


Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.
2013-12-27 09:14:06 AM  
6 votes:
I don't mind comments being moderated within reason, but I really don't like the idea of being forced to subscribe to Facebook and Google Plus just to make a comment. I have never had a use for either service and when you hear stories about Facebook's horrid security flaws and employers demanding Facebook passwords form applicants, it's downright creepy.

HP is notorious for deliberately trying to shape discussions by only allowing comments that agree with HP. No surprise that they would go this route and now demand subscriptions to Facebook.
2013-12-27 10:18:00 AM  
4 votes:
When you can't win the debate, silence the opposition.
2013-12-27 09:16:17 AM  
4 votes:
Breaking news: Google and Huffpo figure out what CompuServe and your average IRC sysop knew 20+ years ago - people talking through their keyboards have no filter and the forum must provide mods to keep an eye out for assholes.
2013-12-27 08:22:09 AM  
4 votes:
In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.
2013-12-27 09:23:31 AM  
3 votes:
This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.
2013-12-27 09:16:53 AM  
3 votes:

TV's Vinnie: I don't mind comments being moderated within reason, but I really don't like the idea of being forced to subscribe to Facebook and Google Plus just to make a comment. I have never had a use for either service and when you hear stories about Facebook's horrid security flaws and employers demanding Facebook passwords form applicants, it's downright creepy.


Agreed.  I can't avoid all the data miners, but I shouldn't be obligated to sign in to them just to post.

Also, fark YouTube.
2013-12-27 09:16:20 AM  
3 votes:
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2013-12-27 09:12:07 AM  
3 votes:
How sites like Huffington Post and You Tube are censoring  Internet Tough Guys

/Fixed
pla
2013-12-27 09:58:48 AM  
2 votes:
Rather than resorting to outright censorship, I've often wondered why all sites don't just implement a simple moderation system like Slashdot's (I'd make it even simpler than that, actually - No "mod points" or any crap like that, just let everyone up or downvote whatever they want).  Each user can independently choose the threshold of comments they want to view.  That approach has another perk, in that if you only have five minutes to catch up on the news, you don't need to wade through 400 comments to find the good ones, you can set your threshold to "top 1%" or whatever the site wants to call it, and see just the gems.  And if you have four hours to kill on an airport layover, hey, time to read at -1.

But hey, no worries Arianna.  I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise.  You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long.  Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.
2013-12-27 09:29:25 AM  
2 votes:

Kuta: bikerbob59: Thanks Obama!!

After he burned Arianna at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner, HuffPost went to hell!


That happened when she literally sold out to AOL.

She never did get all of her $300 million either, BTW. HA HA! Serves the self-centered coont right, I say!
2013-12-27 09:25:28 AM  
2 votes:

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.
2013-12-27 09:24:07 AM  
2 votes:
I'm undecided on this one.   I admit its nice to be able to comment without having personal emails and even phone lines flooded by people who disagree.  Its nice to keep the forum within the forum, but on the other hand, as much as I disagreed with Rebecca Watson over the Elevatorgate issue, I'd still like anyone who made any directly threatening comments to face real repercussions.    Even the ones who just made comments like "I HOPE you get raped" should face public scrutiny without the cover of a handle.   It's not comments like "I just read (Das Kapital/Atlas Shugged) and I know what would solve everyone's problems" that get comments a bad reputation.
2013-12-27 09:15:51 AM  
2 votes:
I've been censored on PuffPo plenty of times and at the same time get attacked without being able to reply back.

No clicky on PuffPo links from me no mo'.  Now I censor PuffPo. HA!
2013-12-27 09:12:34 AM  
2 votes:
I'm going to miss all the inciteful, interesting, and intelligent commentary I have read on Youtube comments over the years, such as
2013-12-27 09:06:34 AM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


They aren't taking it away. There are plenty of unmoderated, anonymous forums left.  They are just not having it on their little part of the Interwebs.
2013-12-28 12:38:18 AM  
1 vote:
The problem with the idea of "moderation by bullying" -- forcing people to make public their real-life personal information in order to comment -- is that it disproportionately affects the people you would most want to comment, and barely touches the jerks. Bad people are not afraid of being bullied by good people; quite the other way around.

Take, say, my mother-in-law. She has lived a long and interesting life, and she is unfailingly polite. Any comment she chose to make would probably be insightful and useful. But would she ever give out her real name (which, since it's pretty much unique, could very quickly be traced to her address, etc., even without any help from anything on Facebook) as the price of making that comment? This is a person who, despite living in a very safe area, double-checks her multiple door locks before she goes to bed. She's not going to tell every Internet Tough Guy who she is and where she lives. So the only winners are the trolls and douchebags, because they get to say what they want, while voices like my MIL's are silenced.

Really, I don't think expecting "moderation by bullying" to work, nor turning over comment sections to trolls and random wankers, is going to be good in the long run. Impartial moderation can work. It does work. But it takes moderators to do it, and these sites don't want to pay moderators. They want bullies to do the job for them. And that will not end well.
2013-12-27 06:43:47 PM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Actually, the literal equivalent of going to someone's house and making an ass of yourself would be going to someone's house and making an ass of yourself.


So we can add the word "equivalent" to the list of things you don't understand.
2013-12-27 03:05:21 PM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: udhq: As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.

Dude. Why not? Posting against White Supremacists would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


Unless your local paper's comments forum requires you to use a real name, in which case all the local fruitcakes who think anyone with differing opinions should have their tires slashed knows where you live.

Youtube's comments have been a sewer for years, but they've actually made it worse.  Now instead of "no, YOU'RE a poopyhead" you see dozens of notifications that people have shared something on their G+ page.  There's no context to these, it makes NO sense.  It's clear Google is trying to prop up G+.  I used to post the odd YT comment, and some of the comments (of others) were pure gold.  I don't even bother reading them any more.

I see no reason for forums to require real names be published, as long as someone registers with an email and is reminded that abusive comments will be reported to their ISP.

I suspect the driving force in a lot of this is media sites not wanting to be target of some lawyered-up tool with thin skin who's been "libelled" in comments.

The Slashdot forum model seems the most workable to me.  It can be gamed, but it's the best solution so far.
2013-12-27 03:00:25 PM  
1 vote:

rzrwiresunrise: badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.

If you're gonna say something as an internet toughguy, then own it.


In a world full of rational, mentally healthy people, I'd be happy to.  I don't hesitate to share my opinions with people I know personally to be rational, mentally healthy people, even if we strongly disagree.  Sometimes because we strongly disagree.

But on a public forum your audience will always include irrational, mentally ill people.  And I don't want to be looking over my shoulder for some unbalanced stalker who doesn't agree with me.  Had that problem once when I participated in a thread on another forum that was calling out a scammer.  He figured out who I was and that I was local (wasn't hard given the nature of that particular community) and threatened myself and my family.  Police took a report, but nothing else "unless it escalates".  I don't need that crap in my life.

Our local paper went to the facebook comments some time ago.  Things were definitely out of hand there with a few instances where some less stable users publically "outed" their adversarie's names and such and threatened them.  The move to facebook logins has tamed things, but it has also killed the discussions, which were often far more enlightening then the shoddy reporting of the initial story... if you had the stomach to wade through all the crap.

So I won't participate in other then the most benign way in public discussions where I have to use my true identity.  Mostly I don't bother at all.

What I am curious about is which way the money flows through these login tie-ins.
2013-12-27 01:42:56 PM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: udhq: As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.

Dude. Why not? Posting against White Supremacists would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


You can't ridicule someone to whom a narrow world view is a point of personal pride.
2013-12-27 01:38:10 PM  
1 vote:

enderthexenocide: the only website i ever post comments on is fark anyway.  i've never left a comment on youtube or any other media or news site, and i can't imagine ever wanting to.  i don't know why anybody does, there is no coherent conversation and no intelligent discourse whatsoever on a news site's comment thread.  fark at least sort of resembles a community and there can be actual conversations in each thread.  but if fark required a facebook page to log in, i would stop posting here too.


This is exactly how I feel. I only interact via comments here. I don't have nor do I want Facebook, Google Plus, Twitter, or any of that crap. I learned my lesson on IRC back in the day that practically all "conversations" on the internet were utter, pointless garbage. My husband and I sat reading a Star Trek channel on IRC once (he likes Star Trek) and it was just streams of a/s/l and invective, not a word about the ostensible topic of the channel. He looked at me and said "This is a waste of time." I've not seen any commenting system since that has changed that opinion, except for Fark. Here, a lot of people are funny, interesting, point out cool stuff I might otherwise have missed, etc. There is an unfortunate population of trolls, but that's true everywhere, and I pretty much ignore them when they spew garbage into a thread.

Be proud, Farkers! You're better than 99% of internet commenters!
2013-12-27 12:31:53 PM  
1 vote:
Mehh, HuffPo has been censoring comments for as long as I can remember. I have at least one account that was blocked some time ago, and I never did find out why. I'm usually very careful with my comments, but I must have pissed off some liberal moderator somewhere. Who knows, no big loss....

I doubt this will change much. How hard is it to make a new throw away email, attach it to a throw away FaceBook account and make a throw away HuffPo account?
2013-12-27 11:32:46 AM  
1 vote:

InterruptingQuirk: This article was already submitted here ~week ago, but wasn't listed. It goes to the Slashdot summary, and not directly to the actual cuz I liked the take on it.

Not to get into the transference of blame that we slide into with dismissing personal responsibility of our snowflakes, it does make a fair point about how we(or our parents)have created this world where we want to be around our friends(not that any of you people are)but our parents ended our roaming days of flitting from here to there in the world and locked us up in our own homes for fear of the unknown.

The interesting thing that relates back to the current article here is that we have created this world that we now inhabit at the keyboard cuz our parents were afraid of the world and the non-existent dangers that were present. Now we are sanitizing this world as well by locking ourselves up in our own homes computers even more as we didn't learn the lessons on how to deal with the neighborhood jerks and the crazies on the street corner or down by the liquor store, quickiemart, bar, park, etc.

We will not become stronger/wiser this way.


You had a farked up childhood and your parents suck
2013-12-27 11:18:26 AM  
1 vote:

JDJoeE: Funny I didn't see wikipedia mentioned in that headline...


At a certain point Wikipedia needs to lock pages. Someone erased the SEGA Genesis CPU clock times over a week ago, and was not a uniform move to be used with every video game console.

The absence of them solely in the instance of the Genesis makes Wikipedia look childish, especially in light of the fact that its contemporaries information remains present. For now.

When the processor times of video game systems become something you need to suppress or hide, that's a sign you need to step away and take up kite flying or playing jacks in intersections.

/Genesis 7.67MHz; SNES 3.58MHz
2013-12-27 11:16:48 AM  
1 vote:
You're not being censored, you're being forced to take credit for the shiat you say online. HUGE difference, morans.

/ITT: area internet users passionate defenders of what they imagine censorship to be
2013-12-27 10:53:55 AM  
1 vote:

InterruptingQuirk: foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.

There are many ways to obfuscate your IP from a website and not something that needs to be done in order to be offensive, unless you are leaning towards the opinion that text, which does not incite violence, can constitute a crime?


That's why I said many people don't understand. They think a fake name is enough. Sure, 4channers behind 7 boxies aren't going to let themselves be found.

Do you think that libel and threats aren't a crime as long as they're only written down? Saying you're going to show up and kill someone isn't "inciting" violence, but it is a death threat and a crime, even if it's by a ridiculous preteen ITG. The same anonymity that protects us also means that we can't know for sure if a threat is genuine or not.
2013-12-27 10:52:45 AM  
1 vote:
This article was already submitted here ~week ago, but wasn't listed. It goes to the Slashdot summary, and not directly to the actual cuz I liked the take on it.

Not to get into the transference of blame that we slide into with dismissing personal responsibility of our snowflakes, it does make a fair point about how we(or our parents)have created this world where we want to be around our friends(not that any of you people are)but our parents ended our roaming days of flitting from here to there in the world and locked us up in our own homes for fear of the unknown.

The interesting thing that relates back to the current article here is that we have created this world that we now inhabit at the keyboard cuz our parents were afraid of the world and the non-existent dangers that were present. Now we are sanitizing this world as well by locking ourselves up in our own homes computers even more as we didn't learn the lessons on how to deal with the neighborhood jerks and the crazies on the street corner or down by the liquor store, quickiemart, bar, park, etc.

We will not become stronger/wiser this way.
2013-12-27 10:32:50 AM  
1 vote:
I think that we should be censoring FB rather than linking other accounts to it. I have never heard of a teen committing suicide over HuffPo comments. And while I agree with all of the people lining up to rip into me, no, a FB account isn't required as a teen, and yes parents should monitor it, but the reality is that for teens, social media is a major part if their day to day interaction, and can be abused quite horrifyingly by the little psychos.
2013-12-27 10:21:31 AM  
1 vote:

OnlyM3: When you can't win the debate, silence the opposition.


That explains why I got banned from Free Republic.
2013-12-27 10:21:17 AM  
1 vote:
If a site is going to moderated, it's important that it have some degree of neutrality.  I once had to quit a "sailing cruising" forum of all things because the moderators went through and deleted exactly half of a polite debate.  Apparently one moderator was horribly offended that some sailboat cruisers believed in personal responsibility and didn't want conflicting opinions polluting the forum.  Weird.
2013-12-27 10:05:59 AM  
1 vote:
Why is the PuffHO reporting on itself?
2013-12-27 10:05:35 AM  
1 vote:

pla: Rather than resorting to outright censorship, I've often wondered why all sites don't just implement a simple moderation system like Slashdot's (I'd make it even simpler than that, actually - No "mod points" or any crap like that, just let everyone up or downvote whatever they want).  Each user can independently choose the threshold of comments they want to view.  That approach has another perk, in that if you only have five minutes to catch up on the news, you don't need to wade through 400 comments to find the good ones, you can set your threshold to "top 1%" or whatever the site wants to call it, and see just the gems.  And if you have four hours to kill on an airport layover, hey, time to read at -1.

But hey, no worries Arianna.  I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise.  You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long.  Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.


you end up with the issues DIGG had, with whatever far-right group could funnel the most to the site could control the stories hitting the fount page
2013-12-27 10:03:43 AM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: Greek: TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.

So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.

If the site is on the very public Internet, and they have a comment section, then people should be allowed to voice their opinions.

Miss Huffington gets buttmad and goes all stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg? Tough! Welcome to America, b*tch.

Never needed Facebook. Never wanted Facebook. Never, ever, evvvvver going to sign up an account on Facebook.


Tell us more about your social skills.
2013-12-27 10:02:12 AM  
1 vote:

pla: But hey, no worries Arianna. I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise. You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long. Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.


You're on Fark. You participate in a forum that censors posts. Don't believe it? Try posting some porn and see what happens.
2013-12-27 10:00:03 AM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: So, why the need to shotgun-march us to subscribe to creepy sh*t sites like Facebook?

Makes me wonder if Mizz Huffington owns facebook stock? Hmmmmmmmmmm.............


I'm sure she probably does, but that's probably not the reason for it. It's just better at preventing anonymity than forcing a user to create an account on their own site. Generally all you need to create a local site account is a throw away email address. Creating a Facebook profile takes nominally more work, and since most people already have one, they're unlikely to take the time to create another fake one just for commenting on the site.
2013-12-27 09:59:00 AM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: Never needed Facebook. Never wanted Facebook. Never, ever, evvvvver going to sign up an account on Facebook.


You're a rebel who is clearly better than the rest of us.  Be proud.  Thanks for going out of your way to point out to a bunch of strangers that you don't have Facebook.
2013-12-27 09:57:27 AM  
1 vote:
What they're doing isn't needed. Moderators can delete comments of a threatening or inappropriate nature. I've deleted tons of worthless comments myself, with a small fraction having racist content.

Google's trying to save Google+ by linking YouTube comments to it and prioritizing the ones with G+ accounts. As for Huffpo and the rest? They hate differing opinions.  Just as some farkers love to place people on the ignore function when they can't take it.

There's always going to be idiots that sputter nothing but hate and sick, twisted garbage, but we shouldn't support say, "Popular Science" shutting down all comments because of a few fools.  This path some are taking looks dim.
2013-12-27 09:56:47 AM  
1 vote:

Greek: TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.

So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.


If the site is on the very public Internet, and they have a comment section, then people should be allowed to voice their opinions.

Miss Huffington gets buttmad and goes all stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg? Tough! Welcome to America, b*tch.

Never needed Facebook. Never wanted Facebook. Never, ever, evvvvver going to sign up an account on Facebook.
2013-12-27 09:53:46 AM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.


So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.
2013-12-27 09:53:39 AM  
1 vote:

foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.


So, why the need to shotgun-march us to subscribe to creepy sh*t sites like Facebook?

Makes me wonder if Mizz Huffington owns facebook stock? Hmmmmmmmmmm.............
2013-12-27 09:49:09 AM  
1 vote:
It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.
2013-12-27 09:41:48 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-12-27 09:37:47 AM  
1 vote:
the only website i ever post comments on is fark anyway.  i've never left a comment on youtube or any other media or news site, and i can't imagine ever wanting to.  i don't know why anybody does, there is no coherent conversation and no intelligent discourse whatsoever on a news site's comment thread.  fark at least sort of resembles a community and there can be actual conversations in each thread.  but if fark required a facebook page to log in, i would stop posting here too.
2013-12-27 09:30:15 AM  
1 vote:

TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.


That doesn't even begin to make any sense.
2013-12-27 09:30:00 AM  
1 vote:
"If it were up to me, you progressive libs destroying this country would be hanging from the gallows for treason. People are awakening though. If I were you, I'd be very afraid," wrote someone using the name "JBlaze."

What a charming fellow.
2013-12-27 09:27:01 AM  
1 vote:

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


www.lawlz.org

/yup
2013-12-27 09:23:39 AM  
1 vote:
In other news Huffington Post is crap anyways...

/snore..
2013-12-27 09:21:29 AM  
1 vote:

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


The people who complain in this thread - you being the first - are all going to be trolls, internet tough guys, or mentally deficient.  How do you classify yourself, harry?
2013-12-27 09:14:13 AM  
1 vote:
Meh. My website, I'm responsible for its content, my rules. You want to make your own rules, then make your own website.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
2013-12-27 09:14:01 AM  
1 vote:
Thanks Obama!!
2013-12-27 09:11:42 AM  
1 vote:
Eh, it's not really censorship. It's their website, they can do what they want. And on a "news" site like HuffPo, it's probably a good thing to eliminate anonymous posting.
2013-12-27 09:04:50 AM  
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