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2013-12-27 08:22:09 AM
In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.
 
2013-12-27 08:26:43 AM
They are really figuring out this interweb thingy.
 
2013-12-27 08:58:03 AM

Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.


Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.
 
2013-12-27 09:04:50 AM
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2013-12-27 09:06:01 AM

Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.


You must have been offended by someone, so that automatically means you're right.
 
2013-12-27 09:06:34 AM

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


They aren't taking it away. There are plenty of unmoderated, anonymous forums left.  They are just not having it on their little part of the Interwebs.
 
2013-12-27 09:09:39 AM
What's the problem?  Unpopular speech is always wrong anyway.
 
2013-12-27 09:11:42 AM
Eh, it's not really censorship. It's their website, they can do what they want. And on a "news" site like HuffPo, it's probably a good thing to eliminate anonymous posting.
 
2013-12-27 09:12:07 AM
How sites like Huffington Post and You Tube are censoring  Internet Tough Guys

/Fixed
 
2013-12-27 09:12:34 AM
I'm going to miss all the inciteful, interesting, and intelligent commentary I have read on Youtube comments over the years, such as
 
2013-12-27 09:14:01 AM
Thanks Obama!!
 
2013-12-27 09:14:06 AM
I don't mind comments being moderated within reason, but I really don't like the idea of being forced to subscribe to Facebook and Google Plus just to make a comment. I have never had a use for either service and when you hear stories about Facebook's horrid security flaws and employers demanding Facebook passwords form applicants, it's downright creepy.

HP is notorious for deliberately trying to shape discussions by only allowing comments that agree with HP. No surprise that they would go this route and now demand subscriptions to Facebook.
 
2013-12-27 09:14:13 AM
Meh. My website, I'm responsible for its content, my rules. You want to make your own rules, then make your own website.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
 
2013-12-27 09:15:51 AM
I've been censored on PuffPo plenty of times and at the same time get attacked without being able to reply back.

No clicky on PuffPo links from me no mo'.  Now I censor PuffPo. HA!
 
2013-12-27 09:16:17 AM
Breaking news: Google and Huffpo figure out what CompuServe and your average IRC sysop knew 20+ years ago - people talking through their keyboards have no filter and the forum must provide mods to keep an eye out for assholes.
 
2013-12-27 09:16:20 AM
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2013-12-27 09:16:53 AM

TV's Vinnie: I don't mind comments being moderated within reason, but I really don't like the idea of being forced to subscribe to Facebook and Google Plus just to make a comment. I have never had a use for either service and when you hear stories about Facebook's horrid security flaws and employers demanding Facebook passwords form applicants, it's downright creepy.


Agreed.  I can't avoid all the data miners, but I shouldn't be obligated to sign in to them just to post.

Also, fark YouTube.
 
2013-12-27 09:18:25 AM
Moderator : You're neither funny nor amusing, cut it out
 
2013-12-27 09:20:03 AM
Just the Next Step for the Lieberal media in there plan to turn America into a Commie Paradise. What's next? Printing our social security numbers on everything you write on the internet? And yet I just saw a woman pay for lobsters and lottery tickets with food stamps! I hope you Dumbocrat voters are happy with what you did to my country.
 
2013-12-27 09:20:41 AM
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IdBeCrazyIf: Moderator : You're neither funny nor amusing, cut it out

not praising Arianna Huffington on how she's smart and cool and totally not ugly. Your comment was not posted.
 
2013-12-27 09:21:02 AM
But, but, BUT, BUTT, THIS WILL DESTROY THE INTERNET!!!!
 
2013-12-27 09:21:29 AM

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


The people who complain in this thread - you being the first - are all going to be trolls, internet tough guys, or mentally deficient.  How do you classify yourself, harry?
 
2013-12-27 09:22:43 AM

Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.


On fark even
 
2013-12-27 09:23:21 AM
Sorry I already censor the Post so could someone tell me what this is all about ?

/I thought it was the Posts job to sensor the internet
 
2013-12-27 09:23:31 AM
This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.
 
2013-12-27 09:23:39 AM
In other news Huffington Post is crap anyways...

/snore..
 
2013-12-27 09:24:07 AM
I'm undecided on this one.   I admit its nice to be able to comment without having personal emails and even phone lines flooded by people who disagree.  Its nice to keep the forum within the forum, but on the other hand, as much as I disagreed with Rebecca Watson over the Elevatorgate issue, I'd still like anyone who made any directly threatening comments to face real repercussions.    Even the ones who just made comments like "I HOPE you get raped" should face public scrutiny without the cover of a handle.   It's not comments like "I just read (Das Kapital/Atlas Shugged) and I know what would solve everyone's problems" that get comments a bad reputation.
 
2013-12-27 09:25:28 AM

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.
 
2013-12-27 09:25:42 AM

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


Have you seen fark? This is animal house where we all wipe our ass on the drapes.
 
2013-12-27 09:26:55 AM

TV's Vinnie: [www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com image 431x594]

IdBeCrazyIf: Moderator : You're neither funny nor amusing, cut it out not praising Arianna Huffington  Zsa Zsa on how she's smart and cool and totally not ugly. Your comment was not posted.



/FTFY
 
2013-12-27 09:27:01 AM

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


www.lawlz.org

/yup
 
2013-12-27 09:27:55 AM

bikerbob59: Thanks Obama!!


After he burned Arianna at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner, HuffPost went to hell!
 
2013-12-27 09:28:30 AM

dv-ous: Meh. My website, I'm responsible for its content, my rules. You want to make your own rules, then make your own website.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.


Great. When Google and Facebook decide to control the speech on their websites we can all go to 4chan.
 
2013-12-27 09:29:25 AM

Kuta: bikerbob59: Thanks Obama!!

After he burned Arianna at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner, HuffPost went to hell!


That happened when she literally sold out to AOL.

She never did get all of her $300 million either, BTW. HA HA! Serves the self-centered coont right, I say!
 
2013-12-27 09:29:45 AM
Don't like it? Start your own website/blog.

What? No one will come to it? Gee, I wonder why.
 
2013-12-27 09:30:00 AM
"If it were up to me, you progressive libs destroying this country would be hanging from the gallows for treason. People are awakening though. If I were you, I'd be very afraid," wrote someone using the name "JBlaze."

What a charming fellow.
 
2013-12-27 09:30:04 AM

TV's Vinnie: I don't mind comments being moderated within reason, but I really don't like the idea of being forced to subscribe to Facebook and Google Plus just to make a comment. I have never had a use for either service and when you hear stories about Facebook's horrid security flaws and employers demanding Facebook passwords form applicants, it's downright creepy.

HP is notorious for deliberately trying to shape discussions by only allowing comments that agree with HP. No surprise that they would go this route and now demand subscriptions to Facebook.


ESPN made this change a few months ago, requiring a Facebook account to comment. It prevents a lot of the trolls from randomly sounding off and polluting comment threads with garbage and ad hominem. But it is annoying that is has come to this, because I agree with your position on both FB and Google+, I have no need for either.

/why we can't have nice...
 
2013-12-27 09:30:15 AM

TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.


That doesn't even begin to make any sense.
 
2013-12-27 09:30:19 AM

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


Actually, the literal equivalent of going to someone's house and making an ass of yourself would be going to someone's house and making an ass of yourself.
 
2013-12-27 09:32:01 AM

Infinity370: "If it were up to me, you progressive libs destroying this country would be hanging from the gallows for treason. People are awakening though. If I were you, I'd be very afraid," wrote someone using the name "JBlaze."

What a charming fellow.


What's his Fark handle?
 
2013-12-27 09:32:05 AM

dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.


Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.
 
2013-12-27 09:35:56 AM

Utter Genius: I'm going to miss all the inciteful, interesting, and intelligent commentary I have read on Youtube comments over the years, such as


bikerbob59: Thanks Obama!!




That worked out so brilliantly, I think we need to close up shop here.
 
2013-12-27 09:37:42 AM
Silence Dogood did not have a facebook account.
 
2013-12-27 09:37:47 AM
the only website i ever post comments on is fark anyway.  i've never left a comment on youtube or any other media or news site, and i can't imagine ever wanting to.  i don't know why anybody does, there is no coherent conversation and no intelligent discourse whatsoever on a news site's comment thread.  fark at least sort of resembles a community and there can be actual conversations in each thread.  but if fark required a facebook page to log in, i would stop posting here too.
 
2013-12-27 09:40:25 AM

badhatharry: Silence Dogood did not have a facebook account.


Neither did Publius.
 
2013-12-27 09:41:48 AM
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2013-12-27 09:42:03 AM
Wake up Sheeple! This has been going on since the +++NO CARRIER+++
 
2013-12-27 09:43:59 AM
The author mentions poor spelling a couple of times. I'm not comfortable with an idea or opinion being invalidated by a mistake in expressing  it.  If I were English, I could dismiss the views in the article simply because it didn't begin with "combatting".
 
2013-12-27 09:46:22 AM

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


That's true as far as it goes. But the point is moot, because it's not what is happening. The fact is, there are tradeoffs between anonymous discussion and non-anonymous discussion: legitimate advantages to each, but also serious disadvantages to each. Every site has to decide for itself which type is best for it, and sometimes, that can change.

Recently, a small number of sites -big sites, yes, but still only a couple- have decided that anonymous discussion is no longer the best side of the tradeoff for them. Given how badly these sites had become overrun with the very worst of anonymity's disadvantages, they can't really be blamed for this: they fared very badly indeed in the tradeoff. Other sites remain anonymous, and seem to have no intention of changing. This is no great threat to Internet freedom.
 
2013-12-27 09:47:59 AM

badhatharry: dv-ous: Meh. My website, I'm responsible for its content, my rules. You want to make your own rules, then make your own website.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Great. When Google and Facebook decide to control the speech on their websites we can all go to 4chan.


I'm sure that's the kind of doomsday scenario that keeps 4channers up at night.
 
2013-12-27 09:49:09 AM
It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.
 
2013-12-27 09:49:15 AM

Millennium: Recently, a small number of sites -big sites, yes, but still only a couple- have decided that anonymous discussion is no longer the best side of the tradeoff for them. Given how badly these sites had become overrun with the very worst of anonymity's disadvantages, they can't really be blamed for this: they fared very badly indeed in the tradeoff. Other sites remain anonymous, and seem to have no intention of changing. This is no great threat to Internet freedom

.

===D~~
 
2013-12-27 09:50:52 AM

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2013-12-27 09:53:39 AM

foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.


So, why the need to shotgun-march us to subscribe to creepy sh*t sites like Facebook?

Makes me wonder if Mizz Huffington owns facebook stock? Hmmmmmmmmmm.............
 
2013-12-27 09:53:46 AM

TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.


So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.
 
2013-12-27 09:56:47 AM

Greek: TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.

So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.


If the site is on the very public Internet, and they have a comment section, then people should be allowed to voice their opinions.

Miss Huffington gets buttmad and goes all stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg? Tough! Welcome to America, b*tch.

Never needed Facebook. Never wanted Facebook. Never, ever, evvvvver going to sign up an account on Facebook.
 
2013-12-27 09:57:27 AM
What they're doing isn't needed. Moderators can delete comments of a threatening or inappropriate nature. I've deleted tons of worthless comments myself, with a small fraction having racist content.

Google's trying to save Google+ by linking YouTube comments to it and prioritizing the ones with G+ accounts. As for Huffpo and the rest? They hate differing opinions.  Just as some farkers love to place people on the ignore function when they can't take it.

There's always going to be idiots that sputter nothing but hate and sick, twisted garbage, but we shouldn't support say, "Popular Science" shutting down all comments because of a few fools.  This path some are taking looks dim.
 
pla
2013-12-27 09:58:48 AM
Rather than resorting to outright censorship, I've often wondered why all sites don't just implement a simple moderation system like Slashdot's (I'd make it even simpler than that, actually - No "mod points" or any crap like that, just let everyone up or downvote whatever they want).  Each user can independently choose the threshold of comments they want to view.  That approach has another perk, in that if you only have five minutes to catch up on the news, you don't need to wade through 400 comments to find the good ones, you can set your threshold to "top 1%" or whatever the site wants to call it, and see just the gems.  And if you have four hours to kill on an airport layover, hey, time to read at -1.

But hey, no worries Arianna.  I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise.  You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long.  Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.
 
2013-12-27 09:59:00 AM

TV's Vinnie: Never needed Facebook. Never wanted Facebook. Never, ever, evvvvver going to sign up an account on Facebook.


You're a rebel who is clearly better than the rest of us.  Be proud.  Thanks for going out of your way to point out to a bunch of strangers that you don't have Facebook.
 
2013-12-27 09:59:01 AM

what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.


Not exactly.
Someone's house is not the same as a semi-public venue.
Also, textual communication is different than speaking.
It's more like going to the mall wearing an offensive sign.
 
2013-12-27 10:00:03 AM

TV's Vinnie: So, why the need to shotgun-march us to subscribe to creepy sh*t sites like Facebook?

Makes me wonder if Mizz Huffington owns facebook stock? Hmmmmmmmmmm.............


I'm sure she probably does, but that's probably not the reason for it. It's just better at preventing anonymity than forcing a user to create an account on their own site. Generally all you need to create a local site account is a throw away email address. Creating a Facebook profile takes nominally more work, and since most people already have one, they're unlikely to take the time to create another fake one just for commenting on the site.
 
2013-12-27 10:00:42 AM

pla: Rather than resorting to outright censorship, I've often wondered why all sites don't just implement a simple moderation system like Slashdot's (I'd make it even simpler than that, actually - No "mod points" or any crap like that, just let everyone up or downvote whatever they want).  Each user can independently choose the threshold of comments they want to view.  That approach has another perk, in that if you only have five minutes to catch up on the news, you don't need to wade through 400 comments to find the good ones, you can set your threshold to "top 1%" or whatever the site wants to call it, and see just the gems.  And if you have four hours to kill on an airport layover, hey, time to read at -1.

But hey, no worries Arianna.  I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise.  You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long.  Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.


YouTube had thumbs down, and that worked pretty good - most stupid comments got thumbs downed quickly and nobody saw them.
But YouTube has no interest in regulating comments, and every interest in "integrating" other Google products.
If they cared about offensive comments, thumbs down would work (currently the thumbs down is there, but it does nothing).
 
2013-12-27 10:01:35 AM
There is someone wrong on the intar-tubez; I must do my duty to correct them!
 
2013-12-27 10:02:12 AM

pla: But hey, no worries Arianna. I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise. You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long. Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.


You're on Fark. You participate in a forum that censors posts. Don't believe it? Try posting some porn and see what happens.
 
2013-12-27 10:03:43 AM

TV's Vinnie: Greek: TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.

So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.

If the site is on the very public Internet, and they have a comment section, then people should be allowed to voice their opinions.

Miss Huffington gets buttmad and goes all stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg? Tough! Welcome to America, b*tch.

Never needed Facebook. Never wanted Facebook. Never, ever, evvvvver going to sign up an account on Facebook.


Tell us more about your social skills.
 
2013-12-27 10:05:35 AM

pla: Rather than resorting to outright censorship, I've often wondered why all sites don't just implement a simple moderation system like Slashdot's (I'd make it even simpler than that, actually - No "mod points" or any crap like that, just let everyone up or downvote whatever they want).  Each user can independently choose the threshold of comments they want to view.  That approach has another perk, in that if you only have five minutes to catch up on the news, you don't need to wade through 400 comments to find the good ones, you can set your threshold to "top 1%" or whatever the site wants to call it, and see just the gems.  And if you have four hours to kill on an airport layover, hey, time to read at -1.

But hey, no worries Arianna.  I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise.  You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long.  Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.


you end up with the issues DIGG had, with whatever far-right group could funnel the most to the site could control the stories hitting the fount page
 
2013-12-27 10:05:59 AM
Why is the PuffHO reporting on itself?
 
2013-12-27 10:06:59 AM

clancifer: Tell us more about your social skills.


I see all sorts of interesting people while hiding in the parks outhouse.... Oh you said social skills.
 
2013-12-27 10:13:31 AM
How do you force someone to use a real name? I don't have a facebook account, and my real name is NOT on my google+ account.
 
2013-12-27 10:18:00 AM
When you can't win the debate, silence the opposition.
 
2013-12-27 10:21:17 AM
If a site is going to moderated, it's important that it have some degree of neutrality.  I once had to quit a "sailing cruising" forum of all things because the moderators went through and deleted exactly half of a polite debate.  Apparently one moderator was horribly offended that some sailboat cruisers believed in personal responsibility and didn't want conflicting opinions polluting the forum.  Weird.
 
2013-12-27 10:21:31 AM

OnlyM3: When you can't win the debate, silence the opposition.


That explains why I got banned from Free Republic.
 
2013-12-27 10:21:42 AM

miscreant: pla: But hey, no worries Arianna. I don't participate in forums that censor posts, so no worries that I'll taint your pretty little pink feminist paradise. You and your echo chamber can pat each other on the back all day long. Mmm, pretty little pink backrubs... That sounds hot.

You're on Fark. You participate in a forum that censors posts. Don't believe it? Try posting some porn and see what happens.


You don't even need that. Just call out a user who hasn't posted, or any of the other rules. Fark may be a free-for-all that encourages trolling for the ad revenue, but there are limits here too.

TV's Vinnie: foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.

So, why the need to shotgun-march us to subscribe to creepy sh*t sites like Facebook?

Makes me wonder if Mizz Huffington owns facebook stock? Hmmmmmmmmmm.............


Wait, what? Creepy? You can sign up under any name and have as many logins as you want. It's only creepy if you associate an FB account with your real life.

They do it because they're inherently lazy and want the maximum return for minimum effort. FB APIs are simple and near-universal, and G+ and Twitter APIs cover most of the rest. (Disqus sucks, but same deal.) They're like 10 seconds to copy-and-paste in. Why wouldn't they want to do that instead of spending weeks creating their own login system?

OpenID was decent because it wasn't a central authority tracking you around the web, but the overwhelming juggernaut of FB and G+ all but killed it.
 
2013-12-27 10:32:50 AM
I think that we should be censoring FB rather than linking other accounts to it. I have never heard of a teen committing suicide over HuffPo comments. And while I agree with all of the people lining up to rip into me, no, a FB account isn't required as a teen, and yes parents should monitor it, but the reality is that for teens, social media is a major part if their day to day interaction, and can be abused quite horrifyingly by the little psychos.
 
2013-12-27 10:39:50 AM

foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.


There are many ways to obfuscate your IP from a website and not something that needs to be done in order to be offensive, unless you are leaning towards the opinion that text, which does not incite violence, can constitute a crime?
 
2013-12-27 10:52:45 AM
This article was already submitted here ~week ago, but wasn't listed. It goes to the Slashdot summary, and not directly to the actual cuz I liked the take on it.

Not to get into the transference of blame that we slide into with dismissing personal responsibility of our snowflakes, it does make a fair point about how we(or our parents)have created this world where we want to be around our friends(not that any of you people are)but our parents ended our roaming days of flitting from here to there in the world and locked us up in our own homes for fear of the unknown.

The interesting thing that relates back to the current article here is that we have created this world that we now inhabit at the keyboard cuz our parents were afraid of the world and the non-existent dangers that were present. Now we are sanitizing this world as well by locking ourselves up in our own homes computers even more as we didn't learn the lessons on how to deal with the neighborhood jerks and the crazies on the street corner or down by the liquor store, quickiemart, bar, park, etc.

We will not become stronger/wiser this way.
 
2013-12-27 10:53:55 AM

InterruptingQuirk: foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.

There are many ways to obfuscate your IP from a website and not something that needs to be done in order to be offensive, unless you are leaning towards the opinion that text, which does not incite violence, can constitute a crime?


That's why I said many people don't understand. They think a fake name is enough. Sure, 4channers behind 7 boxies aren't going to let themselves be found.

Do you think that libel and threats aren't a crime as long as they're only written down? Saying you're going to show up and kill someone isn't "inciting" violence, but it is a death threat and a crime, even if it's by a ridiculous preteen ITG. The same anonymity that protects us also means that we can't know for sure if a threat is genuine or not.
 
2013-12-27 10:54:49 AM
Opinions are like ass holes; every one is one.
 
2013-12-27 10:57:01 AM
Funny I didn't see wikipedia mentioned in that headline...
 
pla
2013-12-27 11:11:40 AM
roc6783 : no, a FB account isn't required as a teen, and yes parents should monitor it, but the reality is that for teens, social media is a major part if their day to day interaction

Not going to rip into you, but I have to disagree on one point. Yes, virtually every teen has a FB page. But believe it or not, they actually "get" the privacy implications in a way their middle-aged mothers don't.

We hear about nonstop teen stupidity on Facebook largely because the media knows it can use that to market to the "adults with disposable income that consider today's youth a bunch of weak morons" demographic.

Most of the real stupidity going on on the likes of Facebook comes from its single largest user base - Soccer moms. Not teens.
 
2013-12-27 11:16:44 AM

JDJoeE: Funny I didn't see wikipedia mentioned in that headline...


Wikipedia is great -- it's the only place where the truth of a statement is determined by how much free time you have to dick around on the internet.  Just as the victors have always written the history books, now the unemployed write the encyclopedia articles.
 
2013-12-27 11:16:48 AM
You're not being censored, you're being forced to take credit for the shiat you say online. HUGE difference, morans.

/ITT: area internet users passionate defenders of what they imagine censorship to be
 
2013-12-27 11:18:26 AM

JDJoeE: Funny I didn't see wikipedia mentioned in that headline...


At a certain point Wikipedia needs to lock pages. Someone erased the SEGA Genesis CPU clock times over a week ago, and was not a uniform move to be used with every video game console.

The absence of them solely in the instance of the Genesis makes Wikipedia look childish, especially in light of the fact that its contemporaries information remains present. For now.

When the processor times of video game systems become something you need to suppress or hide, that's a sign you need to step away and take up kite flying or playing jacks in intersections.

/Genesis 7.67MHz; SNES 3.58MHz
 
2013-12-27 11:32:46 AM

InterruptingQuirk: This article was already submitted here ~week ago, but wasn't listed. It goes to the Slashdot summary, and not directly to the actual cuz I liked the take on it.

Not to get into the transference of blame that we slide into with dismissing personal responsibility of our snowflakes, it does make a fair point about how we(or our parents)have created this world where we want to be around our friends(not that any of you people are)but our parents ended our roaming days of flitting from here to there in the world and locked us up in our own homes for fear of the unknown.

The interesting thing that relates back to the current article here is that we have created this world that we now inhabit at the keyboard cuz our parents were afraid of the world and the non-existent dangers that were present. Now we are sanitizing this world as well by locking ourselves up in our own homes computers even more as we didn't learn the lessons on how to deal with the neighborhood jerks and the crazies on the street corner or down by the liquor store, quickiemart, bar, park, etc.

We will not become stronger/wiser this way.


You had a farked up childhood and your parents suck
 
2013-12-27 11:37:16 AM
the web went downhill when all you plebes started getting access through floppies pasted on the front of overpriced computer magazines

in my day, you had to be somebody, or at least know somebody to even have a clue that it even existed, let alone have access

so this is why we can't have nice things
 
2013-12-27 11:42:19 AM

letrole: the web went downhill when all you plebes started getting access through floppies pasted on the front of overpriced computer magazines

in my day, you had to be somebody, or at least know somebody to even have a clue that it even existed, let alone have access

so this is why we can't have nice things


"If you ever get mad at the internet, just remember it'd be f***ing tiny if only smart people were allowed to use it."  ~  Drew (Toothpaste For Dinner, not Fark)
 
2013-12-27 11:44:23 AM

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


If you're gonna say something as an internet toughguy, then own it.
 
2013-12-27 11:44:42 AM

TV's Vinnie: I don't mind comments being moderated within reason, but I really don't like the idea of being forced to subscribe to Facebook and Google Plus just to make a comment. I have never had a use for either service and when you hear stories about Facebook's horrid security flaws and employers demanding Facebook passwords form applicants, it's downright creepy.

HP is notorious for deliberately trying to shape discussions by only allowing comments that agree with HP. No surprise that they would go this route and now demand subscriptions to Facebook.


Sir, I can't believe I am agreeing with you on something, but I am wholeheartedly with you on this. I'll never have a facebook or similar type of account, and now even the local newspaper forces you to use a facebook ID in order to make a comment. Ridiculous. All you will have commenting now are the chatty social types.
 
2013-12-27 11:47:50 AM

lockers: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Have you seen fark? This is animal house where we all wipe our ass on the drapes.


We have drapes?
 
2013-12-27 11:53:11 AM

foxyshadis: InterruptingQuirk: foxyshadis: It's hilarious how many people don't realize how easy it is to link an IP address to a post once you commit a crime. Even without the courts, internet detectives have long been able to link handles to real identities with a little digging; anonymity is just a polite fiction when most people are unable to keep their real lives entirely offline.

There are many ways to obfuscate your IP from a website and not something that needs to be done in order to be offensive, unless you are leaning towards the opinion that text, which does not incite violence, can constitute a crime?

That's why I said many people don't understand. They think a fake name is enough. Sure, 4channers behind 7 boxies aren't going to let themselves be found.

Do you think that libel and threats aren't a crime as long as they're only written down? Saying you're going to show up and kill someone isn't "inciting" violence, but it is a death threat and a crime, even if it's by a ridiculous preteen ITG. The same anonymity that protects us also means that we can't know for sure if a threat is genuine or not.


Ok, I acknowledge the modifier you made in re: "many", so please acknowledge the modifier I used re: "which does not incite violence". OK? OK.

/peace
 
2013-12-27 11:53:31 AM

ThighsofGlory: lockers: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Have you seen fark? This is animal house where we all wipe our ass on the drapes.

We have drapes?


Well, we call them meat curtains, but yeah.
 
2013-12-27 11:58:35 AM

chitownmike: InterruptingQuirk: This article was already submitted here ~week ago, but wasn't listed. It goes to the Slashdot summary, and not directly to the actual cuz I liked the take on it.

Not to get into the transference of blame that we slide into with dismissing personal responsibility of our snowflakes, it does make a fair point about how we(or our parents)have created this world where we want to be around our friends(not that any of you people are)but our parents ended our roaming days of flitting from here to there in the world and locked us up in our own homes for fear of the unknown.

The interesting thing that relates back to the current article here is that we have created this world that we now inhabit at the keyboard cuz our parents were afraid of the world and the non-existent dangers that were present. Now we are sanitizing this world as well by locking ourselves up in our own homes computers even more as we didn't learn the lessons on how to deal with the neighborhood jerks and the crazies on the street corner or down by the liquor store, quickiemart, bar, park, etc.

We will not become stronger/wiser this way.

You had a farked up childhood and your parents suck


Actually I had a great childhood and roamed the world over with my parent's blessing to do so. I however was present at the forefront of this trend and saw it developing into what it is today. I live in a very diverse neighborhood with many tax brackets in the $0-80,000/yr range and so see many children playing in the streets, but mostly from parents who don't care, for whatever reason. My four kids, oldest being 6, are not quite ready to be set free upon their own recognizance, I hope that the wife and I can be sufficiently comforted that we have done all we could and let them go off and play.
 
2013-12-27 12:11:56 PM

Greek: TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.

So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.


I think  TV's Vinnie is doing an excellent job of demonstrating why you might want to censor online comments, so bravo, really.
 
2013-12-27 12:19:42 PM

ciberido: Greek: TV's Vinnie: dv-ous: TV's Vinnie: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Assuming your house is made of glass and everyone can see inside. In which case, you have no right to whine that there are people out there who don't agree with you about everything.

That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Yeah. Sorry. I was talking to the adults.

So, what you're saying is that privately owned sites should be forced to let anyone comment any way they want to on their forums? Here's how it works: If I operate a website that allows the public to comment, I get to decide if any given comment is acceptable or not. If you don't like it, you're free to go start your own site where you can say and do anything you want to. When you send a letter to the editor of a print newspaper, they decide whether it's worthy of printing. This is the online equivalent.

I think  TV's Vinnie is doing an excellent job of demonstrating why you might want to censor online comments, so bravo, really.


And how so? Is it right to not allow all comments? Death threats are illegal and are actually a criminal offense, but to not want to be forced to subscribe to the Facebook Collective is wrong?
 
2013-12-27 12:31:53 PM
Mehh, HuffPo has been censoring comments for as long as I can remember. I have at least one account that was blocked some time ago, and I never did find out why. I'm usually very careful with my comments, but I must have pissed off some liberal moderator somewhere. Who knows, no big loss....

I doubt this will change much. How hard is it to make a new throw away email, attach it to a throw away FaceBook account and make a throw away HuffPo account?
 
2013-12-27 12:32:52 PM
Boobies!
 
2013-12-27 12:35:35 PM

Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.


Making people sign up for a facebook account and link it to your HP account in order to comment is going to end much better though? I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
 
2013-12-27 12:37:51 PM
deleted my youtube account.  'nuff said.
 
2013-12-27 01:21:32 PM
As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.
 
2013-12-27 01:27:29 PM

udhq: As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.


Dude. Why not? Posting against White Supremacists would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
2013-12-27 01:38:10 PM

enderthexenocide: the only website i ever post comments on is fark anyway.  i've never left a comment on youtube or any other media or news site, and i can't imagine ever wanting to.  i don't know why anybody does, there is no coherent conversation and no intelligent discourse whatsoever on a news site's comment thread.  fark at least sort of resembles a community and there can be actual conversations in each thread.  but if fark required a facebook page to log in, i would stop posting here too.


This is exactly how I feel. I only interact via comments here. I don't have nor do I want Facebook, Google Plus, Twitter, or any of that crap. I learned my lesson on IRC back in the day that practically all "conversations" on the internet were utter, pointless garbage. My husband and I sat reading a Star Trek channel on IRC once (he likes Star Trek) and it was just streams of a/s/l and invective, not a word about the ostensible topic of the channel. He looked at me and said "This is a waste of time." I've not seen any commenting system since that has changed that opinion, except for Fark. Here, a lot of people are funny, interesting, point out cool stuff I might otherwise have missed, etc. There is an unfortunate population of trolls, but that's true everywhere, and I pretty much ignore them when they spew garbage into a thread.

Be proud, Farkers! You're better than 99% of internet commenters!
 
2013-12-27 01:42:56 PM

TV's Vinnie: udhq: As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.

Dude. Why not? Posting against White Supremacists would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


You can't ridicule someone to whom a narrow world view is a point of personal pride.
 
2013-12-27 02:42:10 PM

udhq: TV's Vinnie: udhq: As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.

Dude. Why not? Posting against White Supremacists would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

You can't ridicule someone to whom a narrow world view is a point of personal pride.


No. But you can certainly help keep him from being taken seriously by others who may be sitting on the fence.
 
2013-12-27 03:00:25 PM

rzrwiresunrise: badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.

If you're gonna say something as an internet toughguy, then own it.


In a world full of rational, mentally healthy people, I'd be happy to.  I don't hesitate to share my opinions with people I know personally to be rational, mentally healthy people, even if we strongly disagree.  Sometimes because we strongly disagree.

But on a public forum your audience will always include irrational, mentally ill people.  And I don't want to be looking over my shoulder for some unbalanced stalker who doesn't agree with me.  Had that problem once when I participated in a thread on another forum that was calling out a scammer.  He figured out who I was and that I was local (wasn't hard given the nature of that particular community) and threatened myself and my family.  Police took a report, but nothing else "unless it escalates".  I don't need that crap in my life.

Our local paper went to the facebook comments some time ago.  Things were definitely out of hand there with a few instances where some less stable users publically "outed" their adversarie's names and such and threatened them.  The move to facebook logins has tamed things, but it has also killed the discussions, which were often far more enlightening then the shoddy reporting of the initial story... if you had the stomach to wade through all the crap.

So I won't participate in other then the most benign way in public discussions where I have to use my true identity.  Mostly I don't bother at all.

What I am curious about is which way the money flows through these login tie-ins.
 
2013-12-27 03:05:21 PM

TV's Vinnie: udhq: As someone who's local paper's comments forum was taken over by straight-up white supremacists, I'm ok with this.

You have a right to say and believe as you wish, and I should have a right to not do business with the morally challenged.

Dude. Why not? Posting against White Supremacists would be like shooting fish in a barrel.


Unless your local paper's comments forum requires you to use a real name, in which case all the local fruitcakes who think anyone with differing opinions should have their tires slashed knows where you live.

Youtube's comments have been a sewer for years, but they've actually made it worse.  Now instead of "no, YOU'RE a poopyhead" you see dozens of notifications that people have shared something on their G+ page.  There's no context to these, it makes NO sense.  It's clear Google is trying to prop up G+.  I used to post the odd YT comment, and some of the comments (of others) were pure gold.  I don't even bother reading them any more.

I see no reason for forums to require real names be published, as long as someone registers with an email and is reminded that abusive comments will be reported to their ISP.

I suspect the driving force in a lot of this is media sites not wanting to be target of some lawyered-up tool with thin skin who's been "libelled" in comments.

The Slashdot forum model seems the most workable to me.  It can be gamed, but it's the best solution so far.
 
2013-12-27 03:30:38 PM

badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.


You never had any.  Idiot.

You connected to the internet with a computing device, you now have an IP address and a unique mac address.
You used a browser to interact with the website.  You now have shared your user name, PC ID, browser string, and your IP address.
You did this from hardware you own, such as at home or at work.

If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.
 
2013-12-27 03:45:41 PM

Kahabut: badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.

You never had any.  Idiot.

You connected to the internet with a computing device, you now have an IP address and a unique mac address.
You used a browser to interact with the website.  You now have shared your user name, PC ID, browser string, and your IP address.
You did this from hardware you own, such as at home or at work.

If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.


I am effectively anonymous with respect to other site participants, which is what I'm concerned about.  The site admins may be able to identify me, and would likely assist law enforcement given the proper paperwork.  But I'm generally not to concerned with that.
 
2013-12-27 03:56:25 PM
I quit huffpo over this issue. I hate political stuff in Facebook, and used huffpo as my political outlet. The last thing I want is any link back to my professional life, friends, and relatives.
 
2013-12-27 04:07:10 PM
Who cares, they're private sites and the measures are meant for stopping abusive posts. The lack of anonymous posting means squat if you can just sign up with some random spam email account.

Requiring Facebook is an abomination though.
 
2013-12-27 04:23:28 PM

Kahabut: badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.

You never had any.  Idiot.

You connected to the internet with a computing device, you now have an IP address and a unique mac address.
You used a browser to interact with the website.  You now have shared your user name, PC ID, browser string, and your IP address.
You did this from hardware you own, such as at home or at work.

If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.


Wow, when an about.com page, the first hit on a search for "guide to anonymous web surfing" takes care of all of your routes to identifying someone, I would say you don't appreciate that this is an easily addressed reality.

Step 1. Buy laptop at flea market for cash, and install fresh copy of *nix
Step 2. Buy USB wifi dongle at flea market for cash.
Step 3. Wardrive or go to nearest free hotspot(without entering premises to avoid cameras)
Step 4. Use any number of free proxies(only necessary to slow identification of general location, Pringles cans FTW)
Step 5. Sign up for all necessary login methods with newly created email addresses
Step 6. Profit!

And this is just what the average person can do with no training or advanced knowledge
 
2013-12-27 06:43:47 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: what_now: This is literally the equivalent of going to someone's house, making an ass out of yourself, and then complaining when they kick you out.

Actually, the literal equivalent of going to someone's house and making an ass of yourself would be going to someone's house and making an ass of yourself.


So we can add the word "equivalent" to the list of things you don't understand.
 
2013-12-27 06:45:18 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Kahabut: badhatharry: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Taking away anonymous speech will end badly.

You never had any.  Idiot.

You connected to the internet with a computing device, you now have an IP address and a unique mac address.
You used a browser to interact with the website.  You now have shared your user name, PC ID, browser string, and your IP address.
You did this from hardware you own, such as at home or at work.

If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.

Wow, when an about.com page, the first hit on a search for "guide to anonymous web surfing" takes care of all of your routes to identifying someone, I would say you don't appreciate that this is an easily addressed reality.

Step 1. Buy laptop at flea market for cash, and install fresh copy of *nix
Step 2. Buy USB wifi dongle at flea market for cash.
Step 3. Wardrive or go to nearest free hotspot(without entering premises to avoid cameras)
Step 4. Use any number of free proxies(only necessary to slow identification of general location, Pringles cans FTW)
Step 5. Sign up for all necessary login methods with newly created email addresses
Step 6. Profit!

And this is just what the average person can do with no training or advanced knowledge


Look, if you want to we can argue the finer details all day long.  But the bottom line is that people DON'T take these or many other useful steps.  They use a "proxy" and think they are untraceable.  It's laughable.

Step 7: The FBI localizes the access violation and traces every cell phone in the area.  You become a person of interest.
Step 8: They review 200 hrs of security camera video. You are found withdrawing cash near the flea market, and later, carrying a laptop
Step 9: The FBI interviews you, asks to see your laptop, you show them a different one than the one in the picture.
Step 10: You are convicted in federal court.
 
2013-12-27 06:47:32 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Making people sign up for a facebook account and link it to your HP account in order to comment is going to end much better though? I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.


Yeah, becauxe if it's that important for you to comment on HuffPo articles, it's not like you can just make a facebook account without any real information...
 
2013-12-27 06:50:07 PM

super_grass: Who cares, they're private sites and the measures are meant for stopping abusive posts. The lack of anonymous posting means squat if you can just sign up with some random spam email account.

Requiring Facebook is an abomination though.


You can make a Facebook account with nothing but a random spam email account.
 
2013-12-27 06:50:52 PM

Kahabut: So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.

Wow, when an about.com page, the first hit on a search for "guide to anonymous web surfing" takes care of all of your routes to identifying someone, I would say you don't appreciate that this is an easily addressed reality.

Step 1. Buy laptop at flea market for cash, and install fresh copy of *nix
Step 2. Buy USB wifi dongle at flea market for cash.
Step 3. Wardrive or go to nearest free hotspot(without entering premises to avoid cameras)
Step 4. Use any number of free proxies(only necessary to slow identification of general location, Pringles cans FTW)
Step 5. Sign up for all necessary login methods with newly created email addresses
Step 6. Profit!

And this is just what the average person can do with no training or advanced knowledge

Look, if you want to we can argue the finer details all day long. But the bottom line is that people DON'T take these or many other useful steps. They use a "proxy" and think they are untraceable. It's laughable.

Step 7: The FBI localizes the access violation and traces every cell phone in the area. You become a person of interest.
Step 8: They review 200 hrs of security camera video. You are found withdrawing cash near the flea market, and later, carrying a laptop
Step 9: The FBI interviews you, asks to see your laptop, you show them a different one than the one in the picture.
Step 10: You are convicted in federal court.


So true, and people everywhere would benefit while we could sit back and enjoy the knowledge that the alphabet groups pulled a little more hair out of their heads because of us.
 
2013-12-27 06:57:17 PM
Kahabut:
Step 7: Don't say stuff in public discussion fora that will make the FBI spend hundreds of hours tracking you down.
Step 7: The FBI localizes the access violation and traces every cell phone in the area.  You become a person of interest.
Step 8: They review 200 hrs of security camera video. You are found withdrawing c ...
 
2013-12-27 07:04:24 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Kahabut: So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.

Wow, when an about.com page, the first hit on a search for "guide to anonymous web surfing" takes care of all of your routes to identifying someone, I would say you don't appreciate that this is an easily addressed reality.

Step 1. Buy laptop at flea market for cash, and install fresh copy of *nix
Step 2. Buy USB wifi dongle at flea market for cash.
Step 3. Wardrive or go to nearest free hotspot(without entering premises to avoid cameras)
Step 4. Use any number of free proxies(only necessary to slow identification of general location, Pringles cans FTW)
Step 5. Sign up for all necessary login methods with newly created email addresses
Step 6. Profit!

And this is just what the average person can do with no training or advanced knowledge

Look, if you want to we can argue the finer details all day long. But the bottom line is that people DON'T take these or many other useful steps. They use a "proxy" and think they are untraceable. It's laughable.

Step 7: The FBI localizes the access violation and traces every cell phone in the area. You become a person of interest.
Step 8: They review 200 hrs of security camera video. You are found withdrawing cash near the flea market, and later, carrying a laptop
Step 9: The FBI interviews you, asks to see your laptop, you show them a different one than the one in the picture.
Step 10: You are convicted in federal court.

So true, and people everywhere would benefit while we could sit back and enjoy the knowledge that the alphabet groups pulled a little more hair out of their heads because of us.


It does kinda make me chuckle to think of that.
 
2013-12-27 07:17:36 PM

Dansker: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Voiceofreason01: In other news: Google and HuffPo are just now figuring out that giving assholes an unlimited and anonymous forum to say anything they want is probably going to end badly.

Making people sign up for a facebook account and link it to your HP account in order to comment is going to end much better though? I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.

Yeah, becauxe if it's that important for you to comment on HuffPo articles, it's not like you can just make a facebook account without any real information...


Clearly, it isn't that important to me. I'm guessing it isn't that important to a lot of people.
 
2013-12-27 07:28:17 PM

Kahabut: If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.


This could be a problem if Fark made it a regular habit to provide server logs to random creepy stalker dudes.
 
2013-12-27 08:09:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: You're not being censored, you're being forced to take credit for the shiat you say online. HUGE difference, morans.

/ITT: area internet users passionate defenders of what they imagine censorship to be


Anyone familiar with comment threads on LinkedIn knows how boring this can be: "Great link, Jim!  I learned a lot!!"

Actions Have Consequences sounds good, until it muzzles even the slightest contention.  HP is about political-social controversy, yet posting under your own name makes you risk looking like a Debbie Downer/Eeyore if you post anything not sanguinely optimistic.  This can hurt your employment or hiring prospects.

And the biggest difference between the USA and AA right now is that at least the recovering juicers at AA can admit that they have a problem.  But try starting any critical thread on LinkedIn, and see whether you get any bites.
 
2013-12-27 09:13:36 PM

CourtroomWolf: Kahabut: If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

So... no, you aren't anonymous, you weren't even remotely close.

This could be a problem if Fark made it a regular habit to provide server logs to random creepy stalker dudes.


What that might look like:

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-27 11:29:40 PM

Utter Genius: I'm going to miss all the inciteful, interesting, and intelligent commentary I have read on Youtube comments over the years, such as


I'm always BAFFLED by how people completely disregard, even hold in total contempt, Youtube comments UNTIL they're disabled. Then it's all "ZOMG!!!11 Y U HATE DISCOURSE?!?!?!"
 
2013-12-28 12:38:18 AM
The problem with the idea of "moderation by bullying" -- forcing people to make public their real-life personal information in order to comment -- is that it disproportionately affects the people you would most want to comment, and barely touches the jerks. Bad people are not afraid of being bullied by good people; quite the other way around.

Take, say, my mother-in-law. She has lived a long and interesting life, and she is unfailingly polite. Any comment she chose to make would probably be insightful and useful. But would she ever give out her real name (which, since it's pretty much unique, could very quickly be traced to her address, etc., even without any help from anything on Facebook) as the price of making that comment? This is a person who, despite living in a very safe area, double-checks her multiple door locks before she goes to bed. She's not going to tell every Internet Tough Guy who she is and where she lives. So the only winners are the trolls and douchebags, because they get to say what they want, while voices like my MIL's are silenced.

Really, I don't think expecting "moderation by bullying" to work, nor turning over comment sections to trolls and random wankers, is going to be good in the long run. Impartial moderation can work. It does work. But it takes moderators to do it, and these sites don't want to pay moderators. They want bullies to do the job for them. And that will not end well.
 
pla
2013-12-28 01:27:43 PM
Kahabut : If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

If you had Fark's logs, and my Swedish VPN provider's logs (and they promise they don't keep any), and my own ISP's logs... Then you could indeed "unmask" me.  You go with your bad self!

So if you work for the NSA, basically, you already have my picture up on your screen; for everyone else, good luck with that little CSI-esque fantasy of creating a GUI interface in Visual Basic to see if you can track my IP address. ;)

Realistically, you would have a lot better luck reading my comments and building a profile based on the occasional personal detail I've let slip; though even then, good luck - I deliberately "fuzz" such details, as a habit.  For example, my VPN service doesn't really operate out of Sweden (or does it?), though the detail of which nondescript Northern European country hosts it has no bearing on the general accuracy of my underlying point.
 
2013-12-28 04:49:19 PM

pla: Kahabut : If I had access to fark server logs, I could unmask you, provide your name and address, and very likely a recent picture of you, all in a matter of minutes.

If you had Fark's logs, and my Swedish VPN provider's logs (and they promise they don't keep any), and my own ISP's logs... Then you could indeed "unmask" me.  You go with your bad self!


Yarp, same goes for me, but with "Danish" instead of "Swedish" perhaps.
 
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