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(York Daily Record)   Pro tip: Stand your ground does not include finding the robber's gun, reloading it, hunting the robber down an hour later and killing him. Fark tip: Don't ever say "I'll shoot that (expletive) with his own rifle"   (ydr.com) divider line 209
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2013-12-27 09:31:01 AM
It doesn't? Oh, hell, just give the NRA a month or two.
 
2013-12-27 09:31:39 AM
No but its called "fark w/the bull and get the horns".  DNRTFA
 
2013-12-27 09:32:21 AM
It should, though.
 
2013-12-27 09:33:56 AM
Last text: "skip THAT house."
 
2013-12-27 09:34:13 AM
Aristocrats all around.

www.comedy.co.uk
 
2013-12-27 09:35:00 AM
If the victim of the robbery is white, then he or she will go free. If the victim is black and is trapped from retreating, so she gets a gun and fires a warning shot, well that's worth a few years in prison.
 
2013-12-27 09:36:09 AM
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2013-12-27 09:36:15 AM
Doesn't Texas' version of SYG or some "defense of property" craziness allow you to shoot a fleeing person in the back?

Ah, yes. The Castle Doctrine.
 
2013-12-27 09:36:32 AM
Stand your ground may not say it, but the Code of the West does.
 
2013-12-27 09:38:09 AM
I really have to admire a motivated individual.  Revenge is best served within the hour.  It sends a clear message that the perp farked up.  We should give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.  He was probably just cleaning it for the assailant and it went off.
 
2013-12-27 09:38:57 AM
Hint to the sub-tard:

"Stand Your Ground" is not synonymous with any use of force against a miscreant.

Especially when the phrase 'stand your ground' does not appear anywhere in TFA, even incorrectly used.

That said, once the perp has stopped being a threat to you, either by running away or giving up, you can't shoot him, not even with his own gun.
 
2013-12-27 09:39:32 AM
So the homeowner was wrong to do what he did and it's good we have laws about getting revenge like this.  That said, as someone who actually wants gun control to happen, this is not the case we want to hang our hat on.
 
2013-12-27 09:39:51 AM
This is definitely adds a new twist to the on-going saga of people murdering other people with guns.
 
2013-12-27 09:40:09 AM
Well, the robber already shot one of the people in the house. I have some sympathy for the home owner, but he took it too far.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-27 09:41:33 AM
A man in southeastern Massachusetts shot his cheating wife. He pleaded heat of passion, a traditional mitigating circumstance. The prosecutor pointed out that after he ran out of ammunition he went inside to get another gun so he could keep shooting her. Guilty, first degree murder.
 
2013-12-27 09:41:41 AM
"...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?
 
2013-12-27 09:43:04 AM
It's Mickle and Janorris. Something was bound to happen sooner or later.
 
2013-12-27 09:44:04 AM

Dr Dreidel: Doesn't Texas' version of SYG or some "defense of property" craziness allow you to shoot a fleeing person in the back?

Ah, yes. The Castle Doctrine.


Insanity.
 
2013-12-27 09:45:42 AM
plausdeny:

That said, once the perp has stopped being a threat to you, either by running away or giving up, you can't shoot him, not even with his own gun.

There are a great many people who believe otherwise, which is what these threads are usually about.  We'll see whether anyone additionally thinks the racist dog whistle has been blown.
 
2013-12-27 09:45:59 AM

plausdeny: Hint to the sub-tard:

"Stand Your Ground" is not synonymous with any use of force against a miscreant.

Especially when the phrase 'stand your ground' does not appear anywhere in TFA, even incorrectly used.

That said, once the perp has stopped being a threat to you, either by running away or giving up, you can't shoot him, not even with his own gun.


That's the joke...Idiot
 
2013-12-27 09:46:42 AM

DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?


.223:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-12-27 09:46:54 AM

Dr Dreidel: Doesn't Texas' version of SYG or some "defense of property" craziness allow you to shoot a fleeing person in the back?

Ah, yes. The Castle Doctrine.


Most castle doctrine laws I've seen allow lethal force for defense of property as long as the house was forcefully entered and a felony is being committed. That's not a very high burden. Entering a house without permission and stealing $500 (iirc) is enough to clear that bar in Illinois. I don't know how that would play out it court -- shooting someone as they were running away with your stuff -- but 720 ILCS 5/7-3  is pretty clear. Indiana was pretty similar when I lived there.
 
2013-12-27 09:47:29 AM

DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?


Yeah, they make them in .22 caliber. It's the caliber for the guy who wants the gun for target shooting not self-defense or whatever. It's one of the most popular calibers for AR-15s, I believe. They also tend to be cheaper than the 5.56 guns, which is probably why this robber had one.
 
2013-12-27 09:48:38 AM

Autistic Hiker: plausdeny:

That said, once the perp has stopped being a threat to you, either by running away or giving up, you can't shoot him, not even with his own gun.

There are a great many people who believe otherwise, which is what these threads are usually about.  We'll see whether anyone additionally thinks the racist dog whistle has been blown.


If you're a police officer you absolutely can shoot the guy with his own gun.  Especially if he is handcuffed.  And you'll be decorated for it too, after a nice long paid vacation while the shooting is "investigated."
 
2013-12-27 09:49:04 AM

DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?


It's like when people were demonizing black people by making drawings of them with large noses and large lips.

There is an agenda.....and some people are happy to be a part of it.
 
2013-12-27 09:49:21 AM
The only thing that will stop vengeful homeowners with guns is robbers with guns...  hmmm
 
2013-12-27 09:50:07 AM

DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?


Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16.
Автомат Калашникова образца 1974 года. (5.45 mm)

Sorry. You were asking?
 
2013-12-27 09:50:25 AM
Can the admin who greened this give a cite for a SYG defense?

I could not find it in the article.
 
2013-12-27 09:50:33 AM
FTA: "One of Shaffer's visitors, Terry L. Fulton, 36, allegedly got into an altercation with the would-be robber and was shot three times. "

Yeah.  I'll allow this one.  Little shiat deserved it.  Once you're tried to kill someone by repeatedly shooting them in the commission of an armed robbery, your life is forfeit as far as I'm concerned.

Too bad there were witnesses.
 
2013-12-27 09:51:05 AM

DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?


i believe the standard NATO round for the M4 and M16 is a 5.56mm round that is approximately equivalent in diameter to .22 cal.
 
2013-12-27 09:51:35 AM
Why not?  One less robber in the world sounds like a pretty good thing.

Guess he won't be robbing houses anymore.
 
2013-12-27 09:52:20 AM
Also helpful:  if you tell police you shot the guy when he was reaching for a gun, try not to have the autopsy show the dude was shot in the back.
 
2013-12-27 09:52:36 AM

cgraves67: DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?

Yeah, they make them in .22 caliber. It's the caliber for the guy who wants the gun for target shooting not self-defense or whatever. It's one of the most popular calibers for AR-15s, I believe. They also tend to be cheaper than the 5.56 guns, which is probably why this robber had one.


You know how they make those fancy golf carts to look like Corvettes or Ferraris? Yeah, they're still golf carts, not sports cars.
 
2013-12-27 09:53:26 AM
Seems like the perp had a prior felony or two.

Go to the FFL who is on record of having that firearm and ask them who they sold it to...then ask that guy who he sold it too and so on....charge the guy who gave the rifle to the felon.
 
2013-12-27 09:53:29 AM

DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?


You have to shoot them in the eye and let the round rattle around in the skull.  Pretty effective.
 
2013-12-27 09:54:06 AM
the guy busts in to your house and shoots one of your guests. I can see wanting to hunt him down and end him.

I would vote not guilty. If you broke in to my house and shot my GF or dog or whatever I sure would be mighty pissed off about it and probably not thinking clearly
 
2013-12-27 09:54:26 AM
That depends subby... did he take my computer?
 
2013-12-27 09:54:54 AM

Giltric: Can the admin who greened this give a cite for a SYG defense?

I could not find it in the article.


thatsthejoke.net
 
2013-12-27 09:55:38 AM

Giltric: DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?

It's like when people were demonizing black people by making drawings of them with large noses and large lips.

There is an agenda.....and some people are happy to be a part of it.


Are you really trying to equate gun rights with racial discrimination?

Are you completely moronic or is my sarcasm detector malfunctioning today?
 
2013-12-27 09:55:51 AM

plausdeny: Hint to the sub-tard:

"Stand Your Ground" is not synonymous with any use of force against a miscreant.

Especially when the phrase 'stand your ground' does not appear anywhere in TFA, even incorrectly used.

That said, once the perp has stopped being a threat to you, either by running away or giving up, you can't shoot him, not even with his own gun.


unless you are in texas, in which case feel free to shoot him in the back if he is running away with your shiat.
 
2013-12-27 09:56:06 AM
Other pro tip -  Don't claim you shot somebody when he tried to draw on you if you have:

a) Shot him in the back.
b) In front of witnesses.
c) Who saw the individual climbing up an embankment trying to get away from you while you were shooting him in the back.

/RTFA
 
2013-12-27 09:56:26 AM

ToastmasterGeneral: Also helpful:  if you tell police you shot the guy when he was reaching for a gun, try not to have the autopsy show the dude was shot in the back.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u_3oVJhYBAo #t =55
 
2013-12-27 09:56:35 AM

budrojr: If you're a police officer you absolutely can shoot the guy with his own gun. Especially if he is handcuffed. And you'll be decorated for it too, after a nice long paid vacation while the shooting is "investigated."


What!?!  Geeez, we couldn't pull that kinda shenanigans when I was a soldier in the marine core.
 
2013-12-27 09:58:06 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: cgraves67: DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?

Yeah, they make them in .22 caliber. It's the caliber for the guy who wants the gun for target shooting not self-defense or whatever. It's one of the most popular calibers for AR-15s, I believe. They also tend to be cheaper than the 5.56 guns, which is probably why this robber had one.

You know how they make those fancy golf carts to look like Corvettes or Ferraris? Yeah, they're still golf carts, not sports cars.


I tend to agree. I was just explaining why they have them in that caliber. I think it's more appropriate to compare it to buying the base model Ford Mustang with a V6 and then pimping it out as if it was the Cobra model with a V8 but still enjoying decent gas mileage and lower insurance rates.
 
2013-12-27 09:58:25 AM
If there was the threat of this happening, there would be far fewer robberies.  Sure, your hardcore sociopaths would have no problem with an armed robbery.   This idiot barely mustered the courage to come to somebodies home with a loaded .22.
 
2013-12-27 09:58:27 AM

kindms: the guy busts in to your house and shoots one of your guests. I can see wanting to hunt him down and end him.

I would vote not guilty. If you broke in to my house and shot my GF or dog or whatever I sure would be mighty pissed off about it and probably not thinking clearly


But but but, it's a HATE CRIME!!
RTFA and infer what the "expletive" was...
 
2013-12-27 09:58:30 AM

martid4: DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?

You have to shoot them in the eye and let the round rattle around in the skull.  Pretty effective.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY
 
2013-12-27 09:59:45 AM
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2013-12-27 09:59:50 AM

cgraves67: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: cgraves67: DaisyandSpot: "...an intruder's assault rifle ..." "When he realized it was a .22-caliber rifle, he loaded his own rounds..."

A .22 caliber assault rifle?

Yeah, they make them in .22 caliber. It's the caliber for the guy who wants the gun for target shooting not self-defense or whatever. It's one of the most popular calibers for AR-15s, I believe. They also tend to be cheaper than the 5.56 guns, which is probably why this robber had one.

You know how they make those fancy golf carts to look like Corvettes or Ferraris? Yeah, they're still golf carts, not sports cars.

I tend to agree. I was just explaining why they have them in that caliber. I think it's more appropriate to compare it to buying the base model Ford Mustang with a V6 and then pimping it out as if it was the Cobra model with a V8 but still enjoying decent gas mileage and lower insurance rates.


I like your analogy better
 
2013-12-27 10:02:37 AM

Dr Dreidel: Doesn't Texas' version of SYG or some "defense of property" craziness allow you to shoot a fleeing person in the back?

Ah, yes. The Castle Doctrine.


The Joe Horn case is not a Castle Doctrine case.
 
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