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2013-12-26 09:14:20 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: lysdexic: 11 points and five of them are the same thing?

But you can count to eleven, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

I'd have been more impressed if they'd been able to do it without dropping their pants


That's only 10 and a half
 
2013-12-26 09:52:21 PM

lordjupiter: MaudlinMutantMollusk: lysdexic: 11 points and five of them are the same thing?

But you can count to eleven, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

I'd have been more impressed if they'd been able to do it without dropping their pants

That's only 10 and a half


Well, they did make the same point multiple times

/and I assumed they needed one hand to count with
 
2013-12-26 10:16:04 PM

Repo Man: Also these people are stupid, His info is blocked on most databases, because of who he is and not due to his birth, which I still question.

You're an honest to god Fark birther? This is like catching a Coelacanth!


mod3072: Also these people are stupid, His info is blocked on most databases, because of who he is and not due to his birth, which I still question.

I'm pretty confident that he was, in fact, born. Are you concerned that he was a test-tube baby or hatched from an egg or something?


Now THAT is a simulpost!

Bit'O'Gristle: /Yes, its totally my fault that the economy is crumbling, all the big businesses have downsized or moved to another country, and those few that are left, offer shiat insurance, or none at all. You're right, its all totally my fault. Oh, and the unions too, the downgrading of them and Detroit are my fault as well. I'm going to move to your economic district, and go to the ER every other day. Have fun with that jackwad.


The bolded part is total BS. I can only then assume that the rest of what you've posted is BS, too.
 
2013-12-26 10:25:46 PM

fatassbastard: Bit'O'Gristle: /Yes, its totally my fault that the economy is crumbling, all the big businesses have downsized or moved to another country, and those few that are left, offer shiat insurance, or none at all. You're right, its all totally my fault. Oh, and the unions too, the downgrading of them and Detroit are my fault as well. I'm going to move to your economic district, and go to the ER every other day. Have fun with that jackwad.

The bolded part is total BS. I can only then assume that the rest of what you've posted is BS, too.


Well, Bit'O'Gristle is a moron, as he has proven in this thread, so he has that going for him, which is nice...
 
2013-12-26 10:47:46 PM
Your blog sucks!
 
2013-12-26 10:59:31 PM
So?
 
2013-12-26 11:23:53 PM

I alone am best: XveryYpettyZ: Bit'O'Gristle: So, is he going to have to pay the taxes on not signing up? Or is that just to all of us who cant afford the anal raping every month?

I'm sorry you're not smart or successful enough to afford to take the legally required steps to provide for yourself in the case of illness.  I, for one, am glad that you will no longer be feeding out of the public trough and sticking me with the bill.

Who's John Galt now, farkwad?

Ahh, the f you, I got mine attitude. The circle of life is now complete.

The most radical revolutionary will become a conservative the day after the revolution


No, just tired of the same old bullshiat.  I'm not going to defend the ACA as perfect, but I am confident that it will be better  for everyone once health insurance is more widely held.

This is the free market solution that makes the numbers add up.  The alternative to the ACA is 1) a broken system that provided a worse life expectancy for twice the cost per capita than most Western industrialized nations; 2) straight-up socialized medicine; 3) the end of mandatory treatment for emergency cases at the ER.

Among those 4 options I think the ACA is the best choice we have, for now.

For people who can afford insurance but didn't make it a priority, I'm glad that they are being forced to make decisions that don't socialize the risk in case of a car accident or other traumatic event.
For people who cannot afford health insurance, I hope you live in a state that accepted the Federal government expansion of Medicaid.  Otherwise, vote your pocketbook next time and make that happen.
For people who think they don't need insurance because they live in some heroic Libertarian fantasy, they can go screw.

/Has only had good health insurance for the last 13 months
//Paid through the nose for crappy health insurance on my own before that and would have loved the subsidy.
 
2013-12-26 11:31:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I alone am best: cameroncrazy1984: Bit'O'Gristle: all the big businesses have downsized or moved to another country, and those few that are left, offer shiat insurance, or none at all

I work for a large company and my premiums are about $30 a paycheck. You're doing it wrong.

Do you get paid weekly?

Biweekly.


Yep, I'm in the same boat.  My premiums went up from $14 per pay period to $26 per pay period (biweekly) this year.

Small, privately held, self-insured.  They averaged 2-3 big payout (cancer-type) over the previous 3 years, last year there were 5.  They re-insure for anything that tops a quarter mil (I think) but that's still a big hole they had to make up.  They also readjusted the balance between the amount paid by families and the amount paid by single-payers (my wife has her own insurance).
 
2013-12-27 12:17:12 AM

XveryYpettyZ: This is the free market solution that makes the numbers add up.  The alternative to the ACA is 1) a broken system that provided a worse life expectancy for twice the cost per capita than most Western industrialized nations; 2) straight-up socialized medicine; 3) the end of mandatory treatment for emergency cases at the ER.


Probably the most accurate treatment of the ACA I've seen on Fark. And it explains why none of the Republicans have proposed an alternative to the ACA--because there is no option that doesn't collide with these.
 
2013-12-27 12:56:06 AM

djkutch: cameroncrazy1984: Bit'O'Gristle: cameroncrazy1984: Bit'O'Gristle: all the big businesses have downsized or moved to another country, and those few that are left, offer shiat insurance, or none at all

I work for a large company and my premiums are about $30 a paycheck. You're doing it wrong.

Good for you, not everyone in America is so fortunate.

Not everyone in America is you, either. You said "all the big businesses." I was simply refuting your point.

Sounds like he is a candidate for subsidies.


Wait wait wait ... are you implying that there are other factors beyond what people used to pay for the policies that are now considered substandard, the cost of improving their coverage to new standards, what the exchanges quote as the new cost, and the amount of out of pocket expenses people will actually end up paying?

fulltrending.com
 
2013-12-27 02:46:02 AM
FTFA comments: maobamunis

thats a new one...
 
2013-12-27 03:14:22 AM

lostcat: It's surprising to me that the peope leaving comments on that site have the capacity to type words and breath at the same time.


I reckon folks *could* hold their breath while they type a word or two, but kinda wish many of them would type a paragraph.
 
2013-12-27 04:49:16 AM

beroff: inertcorkhair: Like many of us his employer provides ACA compliant insurance.

Exactly.  So why would he have to sign up on the site at all?  Or am I missing something?


No one has to use the site.  It's merely a tool to help comparison shop for health insurance.
 
2013-12-27 07:26:33 AM

pmdgrwr: No this will not go away. People do not like being forced to purchase a product or service. What is to stop future administrations from enacting laws to purchase other goods or services, say like from a failing GM.


And as if that's not bad enough, then we'll all be forced at gunpoint to gay marry turtles. Where does it end?
 
2013-12-27 08:50:20 AM

lysdexic: 11 points and five of them are the same thing?

But you can count to eleven, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.


But but but...alex jones told me!! You just need to wake up!!
 
2013-12-27 09:33:27 AM

XveryYpettyZ: Bit'O'Gristle: So, is he going to have to pay the taxes on not signing up? Or is that just to all of us who cant afford the anal raping every month?

I'm sorry you're not smart or successful enough to afford to take the legally required steps to provide for yourself in the case of illness.  I, for one, am glad that you will no longer be feeding out of the public trough and sticking me with the bill.

Who's John Galt now, farkwad?


Hate to break it to you, but the law still requires that he be treated even if he doesn't have insurance.  Yes, he pays a small fine (which the government can't take any action to collect), but we still get the bill.
 
2013-12-27 09:59:14 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: cameroncrazy1984: Bit'O'Gristle: all the big businesses have downsized or moved to another country, and those few that are left, offer shiat insurance, or none at all

I work for a large company and my premiums are about $30 a paycheck. You're doing it wrong.

Good for you, not everyone in America is so fortunate.


So all it took for republicans to forget all about their bootstraps is a set of regulations requiring people to be responsible for their own healthcare?
 
2013-12-27 11:23:34 AM
Reading through the responses to my post is what I would expect from people that support Obama and his polices. No logical counter points, I am a racist because he is half black, attempts to make me look stupid because I said "birth" instead of "the location of his birth" and statements as to why no one is currently questioning the birth of past presidents. The color of his skin has nothing to do with my disagreement in providing goods and or services to those people who have not earned them at a cost to those that have. It doesn't matter if a person was just born into a rich family and didn't earn their wealth, because at some point in that family someone earned it. The location of his birth I question, because of all the conflicting stories and his youth spent in another country. I find the nature of his birth interesting and not a tool to undermine his presidency.
 
2013-12-27 12:35:53 PM

Profedius: Reading through the responses to my post is what I would expect from people that support Obama and his polices. No logical counter points, I am a racist because he is half black, attempts to make me look stupid because I said "birth" instead of "the location of his birth" and statements as to why no one is currently questioning the birth of past presidents. The color of his skin has nothing to do with my disagreement in providing goods and or services to those people who have not earned them at a cost to those that have. It doesn't matter if a person was just born into a rich family and didn't earn their wealth, because at some point in that family someone earned it. The location of his birth I question, because of all the conflicting stories and his youth spent in another country. I find the nature of his birth interesting and not a tool to undermine his presidency.


Your statement didn't really warrant a logical counter point.  Mostly because people still questioning his birthplace have already rejected all evidence presented to them, and everyone else is tired of reiterating things that you are clearly going to ignore since you've made it this far as a birther.

That said, against my better judgement I will say this:  If the ACA works as intended, I.E. giving people access to insurance and doctors they did not previously have access too, and a broader customer base for insurance companies, than the unit price of healthcare should go down, which should impact the cost of even your healthcare.  If you pay for your healthcare than this will still mean less out of pocket for you, but if your healthcare is provided by someone else (like an employer), than they are spending less on your healthcare and can use that money for other things, like better benefits packages, higher pay, better quality equipment, bonus packages, etc.  If they're doing none of that, at least they're more stable as a business because their costs went down so your employment is safer.

Even if *none* of that is true, and the ACA has no impact on you at all, than it isn't hurting you either, and it is providing benefits for millions of people.  If you still oppose it even after that, one has to question why.  It's not fair that people assume racism, but not surprising considering that there are some pretty strong racial undertones among the tea party and the birthers that your views align with.
 
2013-12-27 12:46:03 PM
Supporting Obama has nothing to do with it. All reasonable people have been made aware that the evidence overwhelmingly supports that he was born when and where he said he was. Continuing to question it at this point makes you an unreasonable person by definition. There's no more point in providing "logical counter points" to your "argument" (which was what exactly?) than there is to trying to reason with people who maintain that the moon landing was faked. Take up a ridiculous argument, get ridiculed.
 
2013-12-27 01:31:35 PM

blindio: Profedius: Reading through the responses to my post is what I would expect from people that support Obama and his polices. No logical counter points, I am a racist because he is half black, attempts to make me look stupid because I said "birth" instead of "the location of his birth" and statements as to why no one is currently questioning the birth of past presidents. The color of his skin has nothing to do with my disagreement in providing goods and or services to those people who have not earned them at a cost to those that have. It doesn't matter if a person was just born into a rich family and didn't earn their wealth, because at some point in that family someone earned it. The location of his birth I question, because of all the conflicting stories and his youth spent in another country. I find the nature of his birth interesting and not a tool to undermine his presidency.

Your statement didn't really warrant a logical counter point.  Mostly because people still questioning his birthplace have already rejected all evidence presented to them, and everyone else is tired of reiterating things that you are clearly going to ignore since you've made it this far as a birther.

That said, against my better judgement I will say this:  If the ACA works as intended, I.E. giving people access to insurance and doctors they did not previously have access too, and a broader customer base for insurance companies, than the unit price of healthcare should go down, which should impact the cost of even your healthcare.  If you pay for your healthcare than this will still mean less out of pocket for you, but if your healthcare is provided by someone else (like an employer), than they are spending less on your healthcare and can use that money for other things, like better benefits packages, higher pay, better quality equipment, bonus packages, etc.  If they're doing none of that, at least they're more stable as a business because their costs went down so your employment is safer.
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Do you not understand how ACA works? We are not just adding people to insurance company policy's we are also subsidizing their payment of those policies. You also have to consider all the added costs to care providers that will be passed on to those seeking care. People can live in the land of rainbow dreams and unicorn farts thinking the ACA will lower costs but there is only the reality that it will shift costs. Maybe I will see my insurance premiums go down, but my cost of service will go up and or my taxes. When you break it down and strip away all the fluff it makes sense you can not take one apple and then give 4 people a whole apple you must take four apples.

And Repo Man enough with the birth issue you are not understanding that I am saying I find the subject interesting and that I am not stating an opinion as to one way or the other.
 
2013-12-27 01:43:50 PM
The subject is interesting in the way it gives away members of the voting public who either have no faculties for critical thinking, or who suspend them on this particular subject for some reason. But you're "Just asking questions" right?
 
2013-12-27 02:52:51 PM

Profedius: you can not take one apple and then give 4 people a whole apple you must take four apples.


That's a bad analogy.  I expect you know it too.  A better analogy would be to suggest that if I take your medical procedure and reduce the cost of it by 75% because they no longer have to mark up the cost of the procedure to make up for a bunch of people coming to the emergency room and not paying, than I can afford to have 4 people get the procedure for the same price.

Yes, I understand that some people will be subsidized when purchasing their insurance.  At the very least it might mean if you should wind up in an emergency room you won't be stuck for three hours in triage behind a bunch of people that could have been helped with antibiotics and a little rest three weeks ago.

But in the end you're right, screw that kid with emphysema, his mom should work harder, you need a new x-box after all.
 
2013-12-27 02:55:33 PM

Repo Man: The subject is interesting in the way it gives away members of the voting public who either have no faculties for critical thinking, or who suspend them on this particular subject for some reason. But you're "Just asking questions" right?


Take it like UFO shows. I enjoy watching them even though I know it is not Aliens. I find his location of birth in much the same way. My questions are more towards the evidence used to prove he was born here in much the same way I question the evidence to prove Aliens are not flying UFOs.
 
2013-12-27 05:08:17 PM
I can't tell if the responses in this thread are troll responses or actual responses from morons.
 
2013-12-27 11:06:59 PM

Bunz: I can't tell if the responses in this thread are troll responses or actual responses from morons.


moronic trolls?
 
2013-12-28 04:03:50 AM

subsetzero: I'd like to remind you Farkers that the bureaucrat that verified POTUS' birth certificate recently DIED IN A PLANE CRASH.  Several people were in the plane but only the bureaucrat died.

Coincidence ?


Are you implying that Birthers MURDERED him!?
 
2013-12-28 06:05:49 AM
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