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2013-12-26 02:51:55 PM
18 votes:
"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.
2013-12-26 03:21:10 PM
12 votes:
FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.
2013-12-26 02:55:48 PM
10 votes:
Christ what an asshole
2013-12-26 06:34:49 PM
9 votes:
Well, technically, Christmas was never a pagan holiday, it was always a Christian holiday.  It was just set on the same day as other religions' other holidays, the way sometimes Ramadan will overlap President's day or Lent might occur during a school's Spring break.

Usually we don't literally  mean that it used to be a pagan holiday, we're just making fun of the Christians because (1) it was created as a solstice-ish festival  explicitly to displace Saturnalia/recruit Imperial pagans to the church and (2) there was the normal amount of local and even overall cultural crossover and exchange involved with most of the Christmas traditions... that is to say, like 90% plus of the Christmas myth and like 99% of the rituals involved were borrowed from some other religion or secular group.

And, really, there's nothing  wrong with either of those two points in themselves.  Both of those things are  absolutely normal for both religious and secular cultural celebrations... the whole point is to include people (so if everyone in the city bakes a cake at the solstice, you add cakes to your list so there's no downside to joining your party) and to show up the neighbors ("oh, yeah?  Well our party has a BIGGER pool, with a  disco ball at the bottom).  This isn't something that anyone actually thinks makes Christianity evil or anything... in fact, if you ask a religious scholar or even a decently-educated Christian why christianity stole all its legends and shares stories with other religions, they'll shrug and tell you it's because the religion is more than a millenium old and Intellectual Property has only existed for a century or so.

What we're mocking when we say shiat like "Christianity stole Christmas from the Pagans" isn't the religion, because the religion has an official stance on this and it's "so what? winner gets to name the holiday".  It isn't religion in general, because anyone that passed middle school literature has noticed that mythologies have crossover and that's how it works.

We're making fun of  you, specifically, because you really, really care about your religion but the fact that you don't know any of this, and feel some need to defend the originality of something that doesn't claim to be original, makes you look  incredibly stupid.
2013-12-26 07:02:07 PM
8 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?
2013-12-26 04:05:11 PM
8 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?


Whichever one chooses to say to you, they are trying to be nice, and the appropriate response is "Thank you."
2013-12-26 03:42:33 PM
8 votes:
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?
2013-12-26 07:55:53 PM
7 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.
2013-12-26 04:07:44 PM
7 votes:

Nabb1: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

Whichever one chooses to say to you, they are trying to be nice, and the appropriate response is "Thank you."


That's my MO.  I'm not yelling "BELIEVE IN CHRIST!" I'm trying to share with you the nice stuff.  And on the flip side, I don't go off the rails when someone extends a greeting for one of their special days.  I have plenty to get angry over - this isn't one of them.
2013-12-26 03:37:29 PM
6 votes:
Saturn would like a word with Mr. Hagee.
2013-12-26 08:05:36 PM
5 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


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2013-12-26 07:30:44 PM
5 votes:
here's the other statement that worries me: "Well, yes it is," he said. "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God."

people who call this country a 'christian nation' are badly misinformed.  there is simply no reason to go on believing something so blatantly stupid.  I mean we learn this in high school history class...this is NOT a theocratic country or a biblical government.
2013-12-26 07:06:05 PM
5 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


You mean he's a frothing asshat in real life too?
2013-12-26 06:17:28 PM
5 votes:

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


True, but: it's not happenstance at all - the church picked the date to "override" the pagan holidays.  Everyone was celebrating at that time of year anyway, they just shoe-horned Christmas into the mix.
2013-12-26 06:16:42 PM
5 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole


Hagee is a fat sack of shiat who bilks old people out of money to fund his lavish life style. He also perpetrated the sill Doomsday crap in order to bilk money from slightly less older people.

Basically, he's a scumbag all around. Most Atheists are far, far, far, far better people than he will ever be.
2013-12-26 04:17:30 PM
5 votes:

keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...


To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.
2013-12-26 04:05:44 PM
5 votes:

keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...


I'd like to be outraged, but it's just so pathetic that he's missed the entire point of pointing out the historical origins of certain practices and traditions that have come to be associated with the holiday.
2013-12-26 03:01:56 PM
5 votes:
take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?
2013-12-26 07:10:06 PM
4 votes:

alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.


Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.
2013-12-26 06:57:40 PM
4 votes:

Kittypie070: So...."Happy Holidays" is gonna destroy the Constitution?

What the entire nuclear-armed might of the Soviet Union failed to do, two teeny tiny little words are going to do?

Really?


Well, to be fair, 9 guys with box cutters accomplished what they couldn't.

And people still don't have  letrole on ignore? His schtick got old a long time ago.
2013-12-26 06:41:43 PM
4 votes:
"Texas Megachurch"

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2013-12-26 03:32:48 PM
4 votes:

muck1969: FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.


That and the fact that his sort isn't the majority.
2013-12-27 01:38:56 AM
3 votes:

Frederick: I do believe I will find out eventually


You sound like a believer to me. I have no reason to think I'll ever find out, as I'll be dead.
2013-12-26 10:24:52 PM
3 votes:

kaseyfarksdaladies: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole

I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole


Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

/a substantial portion of those who claim to follow his teachings, on the other hand...
2013-12-26 09:25:23 PM
3 votes:

alice_600: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

Atheists They have a church that takes donations sings songs and gives lectures. I like my old church its the same ones my ancestors worshipped in and helped built.  I kinda feel a connection to them during Mass.


Some atheists did. That does not mean all atheists support or even like the idea.

I'm really so sick of this. One atheist or group of atheists does something, and Christians are all "SEE! It's a religion!"

But when one Christian person or group does something stupid? "This is not representative of true Christian beliefs."
2013-12-26 08:50:06 PM
3 votes:

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.


I don't have a "side," dumbass. I'm an atheist. I don't subscribe to any belief system. I live my own life. You're the one who seems to want a war. I don't give a shiat what stupid gods or fairies you believe in unless you try to pass laws that affect me based on them.

Otherwise, shut up, idiot.
2013-12-26 08:02:15 PM
3 votes:

Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.


well he can believe the moon is made of green cheese and crackers too for all it matters.  that doesn't change historical facts of the matter.

*sigh*

Dominionist Christians.  i'm always tempted to laugh at them...but then I remember that they're deadly serious with their theocratic government talk.
2013-12-26 07:36:04 PM
3 votes:
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2013-12-26 07:31:39 PM
3 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


So his stupidity is not just an act for the morons?
2013-12-26 07:16:29 PM
3 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


No idea what these is even supposed to mean. How do you figure out what someone is really like from eating lunch with him (in Sacramento of all places)? What exactly was he practicing while shoveling food in his mouth? What'd he do - say grace before every helping? Turn his water into wine? Make a little Jesus statue out of his mashed potatoes?
2013-12-26 07:05:44 PM
3 votes:
I'm agnostic and I love Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.
2013-12-26 06:47:28 PM
3 votes:

Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.


What the hell is that sh*t?
2013-12-26 06:40:43 PM
3 votes:
Weaver95:  That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.

He is a raving, hate-filled lunatic.
2013-12-26 06:32:18 PM
3 votes:
It amazes me how weak their god is if these d!ckheads keep freaking out about saying "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas"
2013-12-26 05:43:54 PM
3 votes:

Krymson Tyde: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

I'm 44 years old and lived in rural northeast Alabama until a few years ago when I moved to the mega metropolis of Chattanooga, TN. I've heard "happy holidays" my entire life and not one person biatched about it until recently.


Same here.  Everyone took it as "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year's, oh, and in case you're Jewish, Happy Hannukah."

I live in a city so annoyingly liberal that there's a TV show that makes fun of how annoyingly liberal it is, and I've never seen some goatee stroker correct someone saying "Merry Christmas" with a snide, "HAPPY HOLIDAYS!"
2013-12-26 04:25:29 PM
3 votes:

Krymson Tyde: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

I'm 44 years old and lived in rural northeast Alabama until a few years ago when I moved to the mega metropolis of Chattanooga, TN. I've heard "happy holidays" my entire life and not one person biatched about it until recently.


I was looking through some old Christmas cards from the 80s recently and virtually all of them, like 95%, said "Happy Holidays."

I realize that these people have made the conscious decision to pretend they don't understand, but it's because there's, you know, more than one holiday around this time of year. "Holidays." Plural.

But what the hell, we've already gone this far with this completely invented outrage. We may as well test it to destruction. It's not like there's any chance of this country ever moving past it.
2013-12-26 04:21:34 PM
3 votes:
And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.
2013-12-26 03:42:24 PM
3 votes:
He derped so hard it caused him to travel back in time to the 1980s.  I miss the 80s.  That was a fun time.  I'm going to try to derp travel myself back there right now.

I don't know about you guys but I find Justin Bieber to be absolutely delightful.  And that Miley Cyrus.  Oh, man, if those two ever get together, you just watch out!
/looks around
//still here, damn

I have to say the show, Glee, is absolutely perfect in every way.  It really is an American treasure.
/looks around some more.  hmmmm, not working yet

If Rick Santorum isn't the next President of the United States it'll be a god damned travesty
/hold on, I felt something shake
//almost there!

The highest honor a man can achieve is the privilege or tongue punching Paris Hilton's fart box!
/WHOAH!
//it's working.  i'm in the time tunnel.
///I'll miss you all!  remember me fondly!
////sweet!  a pair of Reebok pumps!  and Alf's on!
2013-12-27 09:25:41 PM
2 votes:
lordjupiter:  However much we think there's a good chance via leading scientific evidence, there's still a leap being made in arriving at that "belief". 99% is still 1% short, and 1 is greater than zero. That doesn't mean agnostics are claiming "god in the gaps", it means YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE so don't pretend you're basing your beliefs ONLY on fact.

You are the poster child for Duning-Kruger. Stating completely incorrect things with caps and bold as if you are actually educating people.

Here is a news flash: Contrary to what your entire point is based around, science is not based on 100% sure positions. It is always assumed that we are never completely correct; that we never have all the details exactly right. But this does not stop us from taking a position on what we believe is correct. Or more precisely, what the evidence tells us what is most likely correct.

It is like evolution. There are likely many small details that are incorrect or a little bit off. There is a slim chance that the core of it is actually wrong. But there is such a massive amount of evidence supporting the theory that I have taken the position that it is correct. I am not a fence sitter on the subject. I firmly believe it is correct and never expect it will be proven wrong. But I acknowledge that it is possible. The weight of evidence is so far in favor of the theory of evolution being the correct explanation of the development of life on earth that my confidence level in this position is very high,

For any non-trivial subject, you can not take positions based on 100% knowledge - it simply is not available. If you personally choose to use logic and reason to decide what you believe then it demands that you choose your positions based on an analysis of all the evidence available and go with what the weight of evidence dictates. Calling this 'faith' is dishonest and is disingenuous to people who actually do base their lives on faith. These are two different ways of doing things ... you belittle the latter when you try to force it on the former.

In the case of god, the current weight of evidence is extraordinarily in favor of the "god does not exist" position. So atheists, using basic logic and reason, take up the position that gods, unicorns, big foot, etc. do not exist. This is based on an analysis of the evidence available. It does not claim absolute knowledge nor does it exclude the possibility of re-evaluation if new evidence is presented.

Redefining the term 'atheist' to only include the most extreme and rare case where a person claims absolute surety of the non-existence of gods is just a dishonest technique used by religious people to demonize atheists.

We choose to use the original definition of atheist from the greek 'atheos' which translates to "without gods". I have no gods therefore I am an atheist.

Don't be a dick and insist that we must use your definition of the word.
2013-12-27 10:44:24 AM
2 votes:
The war on Christmas: so pernicious, it went back in time and changed history! Just look at all the terrible things liberals time traveled to make up!
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Look at how the woman is taller than Santa. Feminist propaganda. Plus everyone knows Santa doesn't have a sister. Revisionist history being shoved down our throats!

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Those look like Mexican flowers, and everyone knows Mexicans didn't exist before some time in the 90s. Fat chance getting us to believe real Americans would send cards like this!

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You mean Red Wishes for Communism, clearly.

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Holiday Happiness. And this girls is wearing pants. No mention of Christ or Christmas. Obvious code for godless lesbianism.

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Holiday wishes? I notice this Santa is dressed in brown in front of a brown wall which is an unChristian color and that one round ball looks entirely too much like a small basketball to me. Plus he is holding up a train which makes me think of making the trains run on time which is a fascist thing so I'm saying Obummer created this one.

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Says it all, atheists want to light Christmas on fire and watch it all burn.

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What compliments? Like complementary slave labor in your FEMA Camp???

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I mean wtf is happening here. No one would really make cards like this.  This heathen card promotes drunkeness, either by women or gays, can't tell who the pink is for.

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This card involves brown, smoking, and a phallic, pole-like object. Need I say more.

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A pink house??? Obviously fake. We didn't have homos back then. Notice the lack of Jesus.

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People didn't have dongs back then either! Everyone was sealed off plastic, like Ken dolls. Stop pushing your time traveling dong agenda, homogays! Plus you went and made the card purple, like the head of a lust engorged dong. And you thought normal people wouldn't notice your perverted insolence.

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Do I even have to say anything about the homosexual agenda just COVERING this one.

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You sickos.

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And most disgusting. While it does slyly mention Christmas, this card not only promotes creepy looking birds growing extra creepy looking limbs to use as hands...but also charity to the poor. GROSS! Yes, clearly the War on Christmas is a terrible, terrible thing.
2013-12-27 01:49:17 AM
2 votes:
Frederick:

I dont know if god exists.  I dont know if I believe in god.  I am agnostic.  Deal with it.

How horrible it must be to not know what you're own mind is thinking. So basically you are an agnostic vegetable. How weird.
2013-12-26 10:45:17 PM
2 votes:

Jument: I'm agnostic


Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.
2013-12-26 09:39:41 PM
2 votes:

Your Hind Brain: Religions are easy to make fun of when because they're dumb.

2013-12-26 09:17:42 PM
2 votes:

alice_600: You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.


No, I am being a dick and making fun of John Hagee and those who claim America was founded on Christianity.  Also those who can't comprehend the difference between what they believe and a free society
2013-12-26 09:10:41 PM
2 votes:
Wow, what an idiot.
2013-12-26 08:16:37 PM
2 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


What's with all the butthurt?
2013-12-26 08:06:23 PM
2 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


The word "atheist" is not capitalized. Lack of belief is not a belief. And you sound like you learned these terms in Sunday School in like third grade and haven't been able to progress or mature in your thinking since then. But please, tell me more about my lack of belief and what I should be called. I've never believed in a god, ever, and I'm 44 years old. Now tell me more about what I am, because you are so smart.
2013-12-26 07:56:09 PM
2 votes:

alice_600: cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.

Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?


You think we're going to go to his church and attend service? We're somewhere between feeling pity for this old bitter, confused man who genuinely believes his world is coming to an end, and worrying that hes going to act on his beliefs and encourage others to "take back their country".

He needs medication, and soon. I don't know why you think we should ignore him and hope he goes away. Hes not a troll, hes a dangerous person.
2013-12-26 07:44:31 PM
2 votes:
Remember folks, this is the pig-thing that actually got booted from the McCain campaign when he started praising Hitler in one of his sermons.

Hitler. As in Adolf FARKING Hitler.

The man who started WWII, murdered millions, performed experiments on human beings, waged deliberate systematic genocide against whole groups of people.

And HOG-ee praised him.

Can you blame McCain for ejecting this vile sh*tclown? He already has a lot to answer for in the afterlife for creating Sarah Palin, but he'd be condemned to Hellfire for sure if he allowed this lout to stay with the campaign.
2013-12-26 07:39:12 PM
2 votes:
Eh, an ignorant angry Christian. What a shocker. Is there any other kind?
2013-12-26 07:33:40 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


How many fundie/evangelical ministers do you know of that *aren't* raving, hate-filled lunatics?

// quoting on mobileFark really sucks.
2013-12-26 07:28:10 PM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.


How are you kids reading anger into that one-liner?  I'm perfectly capable of making snarky comments about people's religious hypocrisy without getting angry.  Plus it's Saturnalia, woot!
2013-12-26 06:54:14 PM
2 votes:

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Guys - who's alt is letrole, anyway?  Is this QA being even more puckish than usual?
2013-12-26 06:52:57 PM
2 votes:

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Trolling is an intelligent posting style.
2013-12-26 06:49:10 PM
2 votes:

alice_600: She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!


And hand your card over to me.  He's not "Doctor Who."  He's the Doctor.   Doctor Who is the name of the show.

/why do I know that? I don't even watch it.
2013-12-26 06:41:29 PM
2 votes:
So...."Happy Holidays" is gonna destroy the Constitution?

What the entire nuclear-armed might of the Soviet Union failed to do, two teeny tiny little words are going to do?

Really?
2013-12-26 06:40:14 PM
2 votes:

Olympic Trolling Judge: Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.


He was the one who has said the Jews deserved their persecution (presumably including the Holocaust) for not following God closely enough, and then he praised the Holocaust for finally getting the Jews out of Europe and back in to the Holy Land.
2013-12-26 06:35:48 PM
2 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher




I'm sure I'd be astonished by what it would take for you to classify someone as a bad preacher.
2013-12-26 06:32:25 PM
2 votes:
i40.tinypic.com
2013-12-26 06:27:42 PM
2 votes:
What's the problem? He's just airing his grievances.

Seriously, what an asshole - he, and those like him, give Christianity a bad name.
2013-12-26 06:20:42 PM
2 votes:
I'd love to ask him where he thinks the name Easter came from since he thinks the names of things are so important.
2013-12-26 06:19:30 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information that contradicts their preconceptions.


virturl.com
2013-12-26 06:09:52 PM
2 votes:
www.grenswetenschap.nl
2013-12-26 06:08:39 PM
2 votes:
Take a telephone pole and stuff it into your ass sisterfarker.
2013-12-26 05:14:59 PM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.

The article makes him sound dangerous to me.  Especially to people like us.


Yeah, that's why I'm kinda hoping the article was slanted to make him sound worse than he actually is...I really don't want to be the focus of a megachurch. That's the sort of attention I'd rather avoid.
2013-12-26 04:58:27 PM
2 votes:
After the service, he had his Rolls Royce drive him to his private jet for a weekend somewhere warm and sticky.
2013-12-26 04:27:53 PM
2 votes:
www.cake-decorating-corner.com

blogs.laweekly.com

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....
2013-12-26 04:12:09 PM
2 votes:
From now on, I'm just going to set out a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas.  It will be like having a place setting for Prophet Elijah on Passover.
2013-12-26 03:25:36 PM
2 votes:
fark this crazy old dinosaur.
2013-12-26 03:25:10 PM
2 votes:
Haters gonna hate....

goingsony.com
2013-12-27 11:24:44 AM
1 votes:

Frederick: I disagree. Your premise is flawed with the assumption that belief is binary, thats akin to saying racism is binary -there are degrees. If I am asked "do you believe in god?" I answer "sometimes" or even "I dont know". If I say "I dont know" you have no right to then define it for me.

What color is my shirt? Upon your answer I will tell you what you "really" mean.....

The problem is; some people cant let "I dont know" stand undefined. Im fine with you thinking or believing what you wish, you are not affording me the same courtesy.


Then your problem is with basic logic, not with me. You don't get to turn a binary set into something else just because it doesn't suit your personal specialness. Atheism requires only absence of belief. Not active disbelief, just absence of belief. That is what the word means. "A-" (without) "theist" (belief in god).

When you say "I don't know", you fail to demonstrate a positive assertion of belief, and therefore demonstrate an absence of belief. Thus, you are an atheist. It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You don't get to disagree with this unless you can somehow demonstrate how there can be a flaw in basic set logic.

That you are irrationally prejudiced about the term atheist and want to be able to have some other kind of label to assuage your discomfort with the term is utterly irrelevant. You're an atheist unless you say "I believe in god". If you do say "I believe in god", you're a theist. That is the core question. The rest is just details that have no bearing on the central point.
2013-12-27 08:53:46 AM
1 votes:
2013-12-27 08:30:37 AM
1 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Y

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


Oh look, it's that guy that doesn't know the difference between the questions, "Do you believe in a deity?" and "Are you sure?"  Here come the very simple explanations and diagrams that will likely have no effect.
2013-12-27 08:00:54 AM
1 votes:

alice_600: 0x1a4: "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?

You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.


Turn the other cheek.
2013-12-27 04:25:32 AM
1 votes:

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


I'm an atheist and I have no problem being wished a merry Christmas. I may wish you a happy Kwanzaa in return (particularly if you're white), but it's meant more to be funny (because I'm really white) than offensive. I have yet to meet a non-Christian who gets offended by someone wishing them a merry Christmas. The only thing that gets my knickers in a twist during the holidays is religious displays on public property, and that's only because of the rancor it causes and the potential for lawsuits and douchebaggery. That shiat can get very expensive for a local government very quickly.
2013-12-27 02:19:37 AM
1 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


There are several things other than god that I lack any evidence suggesting they actually exist, does that mean I BELIEVE in the non-existence of them?

Do you BELIEVE in bigfoot or do you BELIEVE in 'not-bigfoot'? Because it's all about what you BELIEVE and has nothing to do with what you have actual evidence for, right? It's easy to BELIEVE, how about you give THINKING a shot?

If you've tackled reading the bible, try this on, it should be a refreshingly short read...http://godisimaginary.com/
2013-12-27 01:18:39 AM
1 votes:

Ghastly: Jument: I'm agnostic

Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.


I've never heard the term "apatheist" before but that sounds like me. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there was some kind of supreme being but if he/she/it exists I doubt he/she/it is anything like we have ever imagined (or could imagine) and I really don't care much beyond that. To sum it up in one word: "unknowable". The universe is an amazing, fascinating place. That's good enough for me.
2013-12-27 01:14:35 AM
1 votes:
If you think John Hagee is bad / blamy you should check out his son Matthew.  Now there's a piece of work for you.  Screeching voice.  Know's absolutely NOTHING (barely made it out of his family's own HS, and could not complete a year at Oral Robert's U).  Likes to bully others.  Serious nutball!
2013-12-27 01:01:21 AM
1 votes:

The Big H: Hmmm, gotta love it with Christians start to dabble in astrology:
[www.sacornerstone.org image 699x438]


Also, why yes, yes I would...
[www.sacornerstone.org image 699x438]


M-O-O-N, that spells bullshiat.
2013-12-27 12:53:24 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.


If anyone tells him that Halloween was originally a pagan celebration of the Celtic god Samhain and not a holiday about Ween and Anthony Michael Hall, he might have a heart attack.
2013-12-27 12:40:13 AM
1 votes:
The atheist / agnostic argument is endless. The main problem is the modern bastardization of the word agnostic to mean some kind of religious fence sitter. Agnostic/gnostic is about knowledge of a subject ... any subject. Religion was never automatically associated with the words. It is now because of the evolution of the language but that does not invalidate the proper uses of the words agnostic and atheist.

In the end it doesn't matter. In my experience, the vast majority of atheists, here on fark and out in the world, do not make positive claims on the non-existence of deities and are not interested in joining any kind of atheist based clubs/churches/political groups/etc.

Again, I am not claiming the above is always true. It is just a good starting point.

As to telling atheists that they must make illogical claims of non-existence or they are agnostics - you can go fark yourself. We will call ourselves what we like based on the definitions of the word we choose. I choose the classic definition of atheist, from the greek attheos - 'a' without and 'theos' diety. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without gods. No claims of non-existence needed.

The religious like to force incorrect labels on us in a transparent attempt to discredit our position by dishonestly painting our position as one that requires some kind of faith. To me this is just another of the constant reminders of how dishonest religious people are and how pathetic their so-called morals are.

If you want to argue against our position then take the time to actually learn what it is ... your strawmen do not represent us.
2013-12-27 12:32:24 AM
1 votes:
Hmmm, gotta love it with Christians start to dabble in astrology:
www.sacornerstone.org


Also, why yes, yes I would...
www.sacornerstone.org
2013-12-27 12:28:01 AM
1 votes:
We need more lions.
2013-12-27 12:21:50 AM
1 votes:

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.


While there's more similarity that many atheists would like to think, there's also more difference than you're suggesting.

In short, the Social Dominance Orientation scale developed by Jim Sidanius tends uncorrelated to religiosity -- meaning that the asshole atheists and asshole fundies are likely both high-SDO types of assholes. However, the RWA scale developed by Altemeyer is only weakly correlated to SDO, but highly correlated to both a whole bunch of what I'll call "traits generally considered undesirable" and to religiosity (such that there's about four of the overall population's standard deviations between the atheist and fundamentalist sub-samples).

If you really want, I can start giving you pointers into the sociological research literature.
2013-12-26 11:46:01 PM
1 votes:
grumpfuff:

I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion,

So can you recommend a good cream for deep fryer splatter burns?
2013-12-26 11:32:14 PM
1 votes:
Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.
2013-12-26 11:27:42 PM
1 votes:
It's not complicated to me. I'm an atheist. No capital letters. I didn't join a group to become one, nor did I leave a religion. I was raised by an atheist and fairy tales about god were not part of my childhood upbringing. I was really shocked in 3rd grade when I discovered the crazy shiat my fellow students believed. At least Santa gave some evidence of his existence.

I'm not a narrowly defined term. I'm a guy that doesn't believe in a god, never has, and is not interested in finding out more. Religion is a non-entity in my life. The only time it comes up is on internet threads; otherwise, I never think about it at all. I don't go through my day letting my atheist principles guide me; I just go do the shiat i need to do.

People who feel the need to narrowly define what others think only reveal their own biases and their demands that others believe in the ways they pretend they believe, usually to make them feel better about themselves.
2013-12-26 10:39:37 PM
1 votes:

Frederick: fusillade762:

[actok.org image 850x821]

This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).


Agnosticism relates to knowledge, not belief. Belief is a binary. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't actively believe in some kind of deity, no matter what reason you give for that lack, you're still an atheist. The absence of belief in a deity is the sole criterion. Anything else you add is superfluous. So if you don't know whether god exists or not, and choose to believe anyways, then you are an agnostic theist. If you don't know whether god exists or not and you don't assert belief in god, no matter what else you do or say, you're an agnostic atheist. There's no actual middle ground. The most wishy-washy person possible is still either saying they believe in a god, or not saying it. "I don't know if I believe in god" is just a passive, avoidant and convoluted way to say that you lack belief.
2013-12-26 10:37:55 PM
1 votes:

part of the problem: When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.


Tell us the worst thing you've heard Singer say publicly about persecuting Christians and we can tell you if you're indulging in false equivalence fallacies or not.
2013-12-26 10:10:51 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole


I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole
2013-12-26 10:07:15 PM
1 votes:
I served this country for 7 years. Im an Atheist. I would like to see John Hagee try and make me leave the country. This is a great example of why churches should lose their tax exempt status.
2013-12-26 09:28:25 PM
1 votes:
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex act.
2013-12-26 09:19:01 PM
1 votes:
Religions are easy to make fun of when they're dumb.
2013-12-26 09:09:41 PM
1 votes:
"And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?
2013-12-26 09:00:39 PM
1 votes:
Apparently not much has missed his fat mouth..That fat bastard hasn't missed a meal in a long time, unlike the old ladies he cons from their last red cent the the promise of "100 fold reward" of
his prosperity gospel crap..
2013-12-26 08:50:59 PM
1 votes:
it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.
2013-12-26 08:50:46 PM
1 votes:

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.


Except that atheism is not a belief, its not a club, its not a religion.  Therefore we can simply call those people insane, and move on.  Christians or any participant in any religion have to defend their nuts or have people believe that they are the same as aforementioned nuts.
2013-12-26 08:47:05 PM
1 votes:

limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher

We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.



Hagee scares the crap out of me BECAUSE I'm a Christian. But the atheists keep feeding the beast......
2013-12-26 08:45:49 PM
1 votes:

alice_600: Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23 
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage

Weren't the Jewish were protected before the Spanish Inquisition by the Roman Catholic church?  If I remember in history class in college. You didn't really care Spain was this combination Christian, Jewish, Muslim nation where everyone was multicultural and when they weren't working they played chess.


Yeah that sounds awesome!  Now they are too busy capitulating to muslim terrorists demands.
2013-12-26 08:44:28 PM
1 votes:
I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.
2013-12-26 08:36:30 PM
1 votes:
"Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed.

First they tell us how bad illegal aliens are, next they're encouraging us to become one.  Is a little consistency, other than being an industrial-grade douchebag at all times, too much to ask for?
hej
2013-12-26 08:31:44 PM
1 votes:
I vote we declare December 25th to be Pastmas, a day on which we decorate our houses with colorful lights, pitch a cut down pine tree in our living room and decorate it in a like fashion, bestow gifts upon on friends and family, and take the day off work.

And - most importantly - give praise and thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for which that day is so named.
2013-12-26 08:30:46 PM
1 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches.


So did Ayatollah Khomeini.
2013-12-26 08:20:56 PM
1 votes:

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for, I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.

Not to be an asshole (though I really am one), but some churches actually do good with their money beyond funding anti-abortion ads.

I can't say for sure your SO is a member of one of those, but there are some catholic churches in my immediate area that do great things with feeding and clothing and even temporarily housing the poor.

S'why even though I'm not a believer anymore I don't mind donating to them when they come around the Holiday Season: I know they're trying to clothe (THEN feed) every homeless person in a 25 mile radius.


Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets.  I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.
2013-12-26 08:16:03 PM
1 votes:
One of the reasons I left the Church was Christians. That, and they taught me that the stories were true. Even as a kid, I was smarter. These people don't realize, almost the only parts of the Gospels that resonates with everyone, are Jesus' humanist positions. But, willful ignorance and all......
2013-12-26 08:08:37 PM
1 votes:
Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.
2013-12-26 08:06:06 PM
1 votes:
Sgt.Zim:
I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. In my experience, the line between believing that your way is right and everyone else is going to hell, while still being a genuinely nice person, and actually being a raving nutbag, is razor-thin and easily crossed.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.


no, you raise a good point - there ARE a lot of raving lunatics in the non-denominational christian camp.  you've got dominionists, prosperity gospel theologians, scam artists, pro-lifers, militants...plenty of crazy there if you scratch the surface.  so I can't blame you for being cautious about evangelicals.  I guess what i'm saying is that we have to be careful not to automatically assume that everyone in the evangelical camp is one of the bad ones.  that would make us as bad as Hagee.  we should take the time to sort out the ones worth saving from the lunatics and encourage the good ones to keep trucking.
2013-12-26 08:05:29 PM
1 votes:

Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?


Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]
2013-12-26 08:03:13 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.

What the hell is that sh*t?


Mike Lowell he's not.
2013-12-26 08:01:25 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.


Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.
2013-12-26 07:57:24 PM
1 votes:

Ex-Texan: Big words from a pastor who left his wife because he was schutpping his secretary. Cornerstone church is nothing shy of a monstrosity on Blanco at 1604.



Christians are on their way to being in the same boat as Muslims because they keep allowing these ass clowns to speak for them.  My girlfriend has made progress in her life, she no longer believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny but she is still hanging on to the whole god thing, and yet she is still a decent person.  Its frustrating, like having a puppy that is  almosthouse trained.
2013-12-26 07:56:50 PM
1 votes:

brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!


Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.
2013-12-26 07:54:46 PM
1 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


1/10
2013-12-26 07:54:36 PM
1 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


How do you figure?
2013-12-26 07:53:30 PM
1 votes:

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


Actually, everyone in every religion of the world should label themselves as agnostic because no one truly knows shiat about what may or may not be happening.
2013-12-26 07:45:43 PM
1 votes:
Big words from a pastor who left his wife because he was schutpping his secretary. Cornerstone church is nothing shy of a monstrosity on Blanco at 1604.
2013-12-26 07:41:48 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...


I wonder if he celebrates Michaelmas.
2013-12-26 07:38:51 PM
1 votes:
Hey Hagee try shoving your private jet up your ass sans lube.
2013-12-26 07:35:59 PM
1 votes:
Sgt.Zim:
How many fundie/evangelical ministers do you know of that *aren't* raving, hate-filled lunatics?

well...not all of them are hate filled lunatics.  most of them are good people who've just been horribly misinformed about their own faith.  plus they come from a sub culture that doesn't encourage them to ask questions or think their beliefs thru to reach an internally consistent theology.

// quoting on mobileFark really sucks.

yes, that's why I avoid doing it.
2013-12-26 07:31:37 PM
1 votes:

Makh: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

Clearly he follows the Weaver.  Don't you people read books?


heh.  well played sir, well played!
2013-12-26 07:30:40 PM
1 votes:

Donald_McRonald: cameroncrazy1984: capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.

Wasn't he 33?

 alice_600: Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?

That doesn't make sense, why would people angry about his church want to go see him in person?

The angry people talk about and help make this story "news." Well, if you ask me, it's not news. It's....it's....



 www.bloodshotlens.com
2013-12-26 07:28:17 PM
1 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


It must be exhausting going through life being that stupid.
2013-12-26 07:26:11 PM
1 votes:

ka1axy: exvaxman: For reference, the first Walkman amplifier circuit was a copy of a Raytheon hearing aide circuit.

I'm gonna call BS on that.

Sony, at the time, was well capable of designing amplifiers for tape players. Analog ICs weren't as prevalent then as they are now, but why would a consumer devices company copy a hearing aid amplifier for a tape player? And did Raytheon, a defense contractor, build hearing aids? They did make a few of the early transistors and op amps.


Yeah, that smacks heavily of urban legend.
2013-12-26 07:22:29 PM
1 votes:
What a surprise. Another dishonest christian spreading the fiction of a "war on christmas" to rile up their brain-dead, frothing followers.

Business as usual at a mega-church ... don't forget to put your tax-free profits donation into the basket.
2013-12-26 07:22:23 PM
1 votes:

capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.


Wasn't he 33?

 

alice_600: Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?


That doesn't make sense, why would people angry about his church want to go see him in person?
2013-12-26 07:20:01 PM
1 votes:

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


And almost all locked-up-for-their-own-protection freakouts are perfectly reasonable in 95% of their social interactions, until you push one of their red buttons and they go completely OTT batshiat insane.
2013-12-26 07:16:25 PM
1 votes:
I live in San Antonio, where Hagee's church is located, and I made the mistake of attending one of his services over 20 years ago.  I'm a Christian, and I was very uncomfortable.  He's very big on the end times.
2013-12-26 07:15:54 PM
1 votes:

capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.


36?

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH, BLASPHEMER. HE WAS 36 AND THREE DAYS.

:)
2013-12-26 07:15:03 PM
1 votes:
I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.
2013-12-26 07:11:20 PM
1 votes:
Wait, Sean D. Munns had lunch with Hagee? Sean Demons? Demons had lunch with Pastor Hagee?
2013-12-26 07:10:12 PM
1 votes:

Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.


That's the christian spirit!
2013-12-26 07:01:31 PM
1 votes:

alice_600: noitsnot: Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

[img.fark.net image 615x396]

Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?

She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!


You're both wrong. They are clearly not holding hands.
2013-12-26 06:58:11 PM
1 votes:

alice_600: Then how come people who say they are druids when In reality no one knows what the druids really worshipped at Stonehenge?


veryhilarious.com
2013-12-26 06:56:58 PM
1 votes:
Religion is a form of atheism.
2013-12-26 06:50:30 PM
1 votes:

Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.


Much word salad
2013-12-26 06:48:54 PM
1 votes:
Religion of Peace?
2013-12-26 06:48:27 PM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]


They are not terrible, and Brian Williams is a pretty awesome guy, but keep in mind that these two news organizations are run by Viacom and Comcast respectively, so there could be a bit of a slant towards reporting the narrative that their corporate masters want to get across. Plus, the constant Cialis ads just give me creepy visions of old, wrinkly Boomers boning.

Also, unless you are listening to NPR, you're probably only going to hear the 100 or so songs that Clear Channel has put on their corporate iPod and shuffled.  Plus, my Windows Phone has an FM radio built in, so technically I own one of those in addition to having a music player and the ability to stream just about any station in the world with TuneIn, and download any Podcast I want to hear, so it is not like you have to choose one over the other.


I love Tunein and have it downloaded on my phone. But unfortunately I can't use it where I work because the signal is pretty lousy, so I bring in my Walkman instead. I agree that most of the stations play the same songs over and over again, but there are a couple of FM stations here in St. Louis that have some individual identity to them so they're still listenable. I also listen to the FM Sports Talk station as well as NPR.
2013-12-26 06:47:24 PM
1 votes:
I'm going to send him a very strongly worded fax.
2013-12-26 06:46:10 PM
1 votes:

noitsnot: Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

[img.fark.net image 615x396]

Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?


She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!
2013-12-26 06:43:57 PM
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?

This is what happens when Jesus won't let you say "up your ass".


I hear Cameron is so tight, that if you put a lump of coal *in his fist*...
2013-12-26 06:38:42 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]



They are not terrible, and Brian Williams is a pretty awesome guy, but keep in mind that these two news organizations are run by Viacom and Comcast respectively, so there could be a bit of a slant towards reporting the narrative that their corporate masters want to get across. Plus, the constant Cialis ads just give me creepy visions of old, wrinkly Boomers boning.

Also, unless you are listening to NPR, you're probably only going to hear the 100 or so songs that Clear Channel has put on their corporate iPod and shuffled.  Plus, my Windows Phone has an FM radio built in, so technically I own one of those in addition to having a music player and the ability to stream just about any station in the world with TuneIn, and download any Podcast I want to hear, so it is not like you have to choose one over the other.
2013-12-26 06:37:26 PM
1 votes:
Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

We are, Pastor Pancake Vacuum.

And it just burns you up.
2013-12-26 06:35:46 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best

 will just revise history to fit their politics/religion.

closer to reality.
2013-12-26 06:33:50 PM
1 votes:

Danger Avoid Death: Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]

You sound, like, 26 in dog years.


I also like reading the newspaper.

I'm not even trying to be ironic.
2013-12-26 06:33:27 PM
1 votes:
I just say "Allah hu Akbar". So far nobody has been cool with it.
2013-12-26 06:28:19 PM
1 votes:
I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

g-ecx.images-amazon.com
2013-12-26 06:27:15 PM
1 votes:
The holiday season begins a week before Labor Day and ends on the 4th of July. "Happy Holidays" in an inappropriate greeting only in the six or so weeks in between, when it is "Back-to-School" shopping season.
2013-12-26 06:26:29 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.


How bad could it be? We would make a huge sign advertising the time and place the pagan purge will begin. When they all show up (because you know they will) we get to shoot first.

As a bonus you get to keep any guns they dropped. You know they like em big and shiny.
2013-12-26 06:23:00 PM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?


This is what happens when Jesus won't let you say "up your ass".
2013-12-26 06:18:57 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.

The article makes him sound dangerous to me.  Especially to people like us.

Yeah, that's why I'm kinda hoping the article was slanted to make him sound worse than he actually is...I really don't want to be the focus of a megachurch. That's the sort of attention I'd rather avoid.


I just listen to him.

Not.

Taken.

Out.

Of.

Context.

He's quite clear.  He also makes it a political issue.  He claims we are in danger of loosing our constitutional right if "Happy Holidays" is said instead of "Merry Christmas"

Of course he doesn't seem to care if he abridges any other peoples beliefs or freedoms.
2013-12-26 06:18:03 PM
1 votes:

Doctor Funkenstein: He derped so hard it caused him to travel back in time to the 1980s.  I miss the 80s.  That was a fun time.  I'm going to try to derp travel myself back there right now.

I don't know about you guys but I find Justin Bieber to be absolutely delightful.  And that Miley Cyrus.  Oh, man, if those two ever get together, you just watch out!
/looks around
//still here, damn

I have to say the show, Glee, is absolutely perfect in every way.  It really is an American treasure.
/looks around some more.  hmmmm, not working yet

If Rick Santorum isn't the next President of the United States it'll be a god damned travesty
/hold on, I felt something shake
//almost there!

The highest honor a man can achieve is the privilege or tongue punching Paris Hilton's fart box!
/WHOAH!
//it's working.  i'm in the time tunnel.
///I'll miss you all!  remember me fondly!
////sweet!  a pair of Reebok pumps!  and Alf's on!



Aaahhhh... the 80s.
imaginativetraining.com
2013-12-26 06:14:01 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?


You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

www.nerdist.com
2013-12-26 06:07:24 PM
1 votes:
Ignorance? From a pastor? What a shock!
2013-12-26 05:24:42 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: JerseyTim: Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....

"How big of a piece do you want?"
"Make mine smaller than Aunt Elda's, but make sure I get a thorn."

"Do this in remembrance of me."
*blows out candles*


I would love to see Jesus's face when someone showed him that second cake
2013-12-26 05:11:10 PM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....

"How big of a piece do you want?"
"Make mine smaller than Aunt Elda's, but make sure I get a thorn."


"Do this in remembrance of me."
*blows out candles*
2013-12-26 05:07:50 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: somewhere warm and sticky.


the oiled up haunches of a young dominican boy?
2013-12-26 04:59:52 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.


The article makes him sound dangerous to me.  Especially to people like us.
2013-12-26 04:45:26 PM
1 votes:
Wow. He has finger on the pulse of the corpse of an America that never was.
2013-12-26 04:29:53 PM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

His beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand: Humankind is simply materialized color operating on the 49th vibration.


I think that's the raelians. UFO cults are weird.
2013-12-26 04:27:47 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.


You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.
2013-12-26 04:18:13 PM
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?


I'm 44 years old and lived in rural northeast Alabama until a few years ago when I moved to the mega metropolis of Chattanooga, TN. I've heard "happy holidays" my entire life and not one person biatched about it until recently.
2013-12-26 04:10:03 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

I'd like to be outraged, but it's just so pathetic that he's missed the entire point of pointing out the historical origins of certain practices and traditions that have come to be associated with the holiday.


Very little that these willfully ignorant assholes say or do outrages me anymore, to be honest.

I'm just amazed at the level of ignorance of his own religion this pastor is displaying. 'Course, it's not nearly as pathetic as all the morons sitting in front of him nodding in agreement.
2013-12-26 03:06:45 PM
1 votes:
"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...
 
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