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2013-12-27 12:23:35 AM  
And now: Deep Thoughts, by John Hagee.

"Maybe in order to understand Christmas, we have to look at the word itself. Basically, it's made up of two separate words - 'Chri' and 'stmas.' What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is Christmas."
 
2013-12-27 12:28:01 AM  
We need more lions.
 
2013-12-27 12:31:58 AM  

fusillade762: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.

[actok.org image 850x821]


You'll note that ignostics aren't on that diagram, because, well, they understand that the diagram's pointless - the diagram includes assumptions that cannot be clearly defined.

Farker Soze: Atheists like Christmas just fine. They only dislike you.

"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas.

Hah, just like Easter. Hey dummy, Eostre.


Someone should ask him about the etymology of Yule.
 
2013-12-27 12:32:24 AM  
Hmmm, gotta love it with Christians start to dabble in astrology:
www.sacornerstone.org


Also, why yes, yes I would...
www.sacornerstone.org
 
2013-12-27 12:40:13 AM  
The atheist / agnostic argument is endless. The main problem is the modern bastardization of the word agnostic to mean some kind of religious fence sitter. Agnostic/gnostic is about knowledge of a subject ... any subject. Religion was never automatically associated with the words. It is now because of the evolution of the language but that does not invalidate the proper uses of the words agnostic and atheist.

In the end it doesn't matter. In my experience, the vast majority of atheists, here on fark and out in the world, do not make positive claims on the non-existence of deities and are not interested in joining any kind of atheist based clubs/churches/political groups/etc.

Again, I am not claiming the above is always true. It is just a good starting point.

As to telling atheists that they must make illogical claims of non-existence or they are agnostics - you can go fark yourself. We will call ourselves what we like based on the definitions of the word we choose. I choose the classic definition of atheist, from the greek attheos - 'a' without and 'theos' diety. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without gods. No claims of non-existence needed.

The religious like to force incorrect labels on us in a transparent attempt to discredit our position by dishonestly painting our position as one that requires some kind of faith. To me this is just another of the constant reminders of how dishonest religious people are and how pathetic their so-called morals are.

If you want to argue against our position then take the time to actually learn what it is ... your strawmen do not represent us.
 
2013-12-27 12:51:23 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher


cdn.videogum.com
 
2013-12-27 12:51:40 AM  
When I woke up this morning, I was just an atheist.

I don't believe that there is an afterlife, a disembodied spirit/deity who created/controlled the planet, and I see organized religion as a way to brainwash like-minds and keep them subjugated

And now I read this thread and find out that I'm *not* an atheist, but rather a confused agnostic who belongs in a particular niche?  News to me.

So, according to these comments, I am actually....

Wait...what kind of atheist/agnostic am I supposed to be again?  I lost track in the confusion and don't want to be labeled a splitter.

i21.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-27 12:53:24 AM  

FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.


If anyone tells him that Halloween was originally a pagan celebration of the Celtic god Samhain and not a holiday about Ween and Anthony Michael Hall, he might have a heart attack.
 
2013-12-27 12:59:12 AM  

Weaver95: Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on historyreality at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions


FTFY
 
2013-12-27 01:00:12 AM  

Farking Canuck: The atheist / agnostic argument is endless. The main problem is the modern bastardization of the word agnostic to mean some kind of religious fence sitter. Agnostic/gnostic is about knowledge of a subject ... any subject. Religion was never automatically associated with the words. It is now because of the evolution of the language but that does not invalidate the proper uses of the words agnostic and atheist.

In the end it doesn't matter. In my experience, the vast majority of atheists, here on fark and out in the world, do not make positive claims on the non-existence of deities and are not interested in joining any kind of atheist based clubs/churches/political groups/etc.

Again, I am not claiming the above is always true. It is just a good starting point.

As to telling atheists that they must make illogical claims of non-existence or they are agnostics - you can go fark yourself. We will call ourselves what we like based on the definitions of the word we choose. I choose the classic definition of atheist, from the greek attheos - 'a' without and 'theos' diety. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without gods. No claims of non-existence needed.

The religious like to force incorrect labels on us in a transparent attempt to discredit our position by dishonestly painting our position as one that requires some kind of faith. To me this is just another of the constant reminders of how dishonest religious people are and how pathetic their so-called morals are.

If you want to argue against our position then take the time to actually learn what it is ... your strawmen do not represent us.


this is absolutely true. The religious like to argue with the atheists they make up in their own minds, not actual real-life ones.
 
2013-12-27 01:01:21 AM  

The Big H: Hmmm, gotta love it with Christians start to dabble in astrology:
[www.sacornerstone.org image 699x438]


Also, why yes, yes I would...
[www.sacornerstone.org image 699x438]


M-O-O-N, that spells bullshiat.
 
2013-12-27 01:05:46 AM  
*picks up the Walkman brand MP3 player I bought 3 years ago*  Well, I'm not an atheist.  And I think you're supposed to use headphones..
 
2013-12-27 01:14:35 AM  
If you think John Hagee is bad / blamy you should check out his son Matthew.  Now there's a piece of work for you.  Screeching voice.  Know's absolutely NOTHING (barely made it out of his family's own HS, and could not complete a year at Oral Robert's U).  Likes to bully others.  Serious nutball!
 
2013-12-27 01:14:50 AM  
grumpfuff:
Ha. On Facebook, I am (or was? haven't logged on to it in a year or so), I was in a group called something like "I majored in things I enjoy, so I'll be living in a box for the rest of my life."

First time I went to school in the 80s it was for a career. Studied Audio Visual Production.
When I went back to school in the 90s it was for myself so I studied anthropology.
 
2013-12-27 01:17:56 AM  

Sgt Otter: Olympic Trolling Judge: Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.

He was the one who has said the Jews deserved their persecution (presumably including the Holocaust) for not following God closely enough, and then he praised the Holocaust for finally getting the Jews out of Europe and back in to the Holy Land.


????????????????
Never heard of this.  I have personal knowledge that he is great friends with our Jewish community here in San Antonio.  Ive seen him donate huge sums of money to them as well.

/terrible person, horrible excuse for a "Christian".
 
2013-12-27 01:18:39 AM  

Ghastly: Jument: I'm agnostic

Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.


I've never heard the term "apatheist" before but that sounds like me. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there was some kind of supreme being but if he/she/it exists I doubt he/she/it is anything like we have ever imagined (or could imagine) and I really don't care much beyond that. To sum it up in one word: "unknowable". The universe is an amazing, fascinating place. That's good enough for me.
 
2013-12-27 01:20:11 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.

If anyone tells him that Halloween was originally a pagan celebration of the Celtic god Samhain and not a holiday about Ween and Anthony Michael Hall, he might have a heart attack.


He'll probably have one anyway. He looks like a beast who sweats when he eats and gets short of breath answering the front door.

blogs.kansas.com

Whar Communion bacon, whar?!



/Good thing he's been fleecing rubes for 20+ years to pay for his new heart(s)
 
2013-12-27 01:20:51 AM  

Ghastly: grumpfuff:
Ha. On Facebook, I am (or was? haven't logged on to it in a year or so), I was in a group called something like "I majored in things I enjoy, so I'll be living in a box for the rest of my life."

First time I went to school in the 80s it was for a career. Studied Audio Visual Production.
When I went back to school in the 90s it was for myself so I studied anthropology.


Yea, I'm in something of that department. I'm debating going back for my masters, but I'm also debating going back to get a BS in either anthropology or computer science.
 
2013-12-27 01:21:37 AM  

sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?


He means, "if you are an atheist, and my saying 'Merry Christmas' offends you, stick your Walkman [earbuds] into your ears, so that you can no longer hear me."

Yes, it's the mythical atheist who bristles at the words 'Merry Christmas' but that's his point.
 
2013-12-27 01:36:22 AM  

Ghastly: Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.


I doubt you very much.

Apatheism refers to a disinterest or indifference in theism.  Look up apathy.  (and while youre at it look up Apatheism in the merriam-webster dictionary and get back to me on that definition, scholar)

Agnostic simply means to not know, which is how I define myself.

You obviously have an agenda and wish to project negative opinions through definitions you've fabricated onto "hipsters".

I dont know if god exists.  I dont know if I believe in god.  I am agnostic.  Deal with it.

Emotionally, I see wondrous things and like the idea of god being responsible.
Conversely I see horrendous things and disgust at the idea of a god being responsible.
Logically I see no need for a god like hand in creation of matter or energy.
Logically I cannot reconcile a beginning or ending to matter and energy.

I do not know what to believe.  YMMV.

/I do believe I will find out eventually
 
2013-12-27 01:38:56 AM  

Frederick: I do believe I will find out eventually


You sound like a believer to me. I have no reason to think I'll ever find out, as I'll be dead.
 
2013-12-27 01:43:39 AM  

muck1969: FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.


The NSA agrees with you.
 
2013-12-27 01:49:17 AM  
Frederick:

I dont know if god exists.  I dont know if I believe in god.  I am agnostic.  Deal with it.

How horrible it must be to not know what you're own mind is thinking. So basically you are an agnostic vegetable. How weird.
 
2013-12-27 02:01:10 AM  

Litterbox: Sgt Otter: Olympic Trolling Judge: Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.

He was the one who has said the Jews deserved their persecution (presumably including the Holocaust) for not following God closely enough, and then he praised the Holocaust for finally getting the Jews out of Europe and back in to the Holy Land.

????????????????
Never heard of this.  I have personal knowledge that he is great friends with our Jewish community here in San Antonio.  Ive seen him donate huge sums of money to them as well.

/terrible person, horrible excuse for a "Christian".


John Hagee on Judaism.   It's wiki, but everything is cited.  It's also what FINALLY got McCain to kick him off his campaign bus.

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-12-27 02:04:50 AM  

noitsnot: Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?


I thinks gremlins dude.
 
2013-12-27 02:19:37 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


There are several things other than god that I lack any evidence suggesting they actually exist, does that mean I BELIEVE in the non-existence of them?

Do you BELIEVE in bigfoot or do you BELIEVE in 'not-bigfoot'? Because it's all about what you BELIEVE and has nothing to do with what you have actual evidence for, right? It's easy to BELIEVE, how about you give THINKING a shot?

If you've tackled reading the bible, try this on, it should be a refreshingly short read...http://godisimaginary.com/
 
2013-12-27 03:03:24 AM  
I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.
 
2013-12-27 03:17:47 AM  
grumpfuff:  Well, as a libby-lib-lib who had a class with Singer, and read several of his other works in other classes, I can tell you the man is a prick. Among other things, he argues that bestiality should be legal, athletes should be allowed to take steroids, killing a newborn baby is not the same as killing an adult, and the severely disabled are not entitled to the same rights as a healthy person.

His mother has Alzheimer's, and he has publicly said that basically, if it were up to him, he would euthanize her.


So...he has Asperger's?  Anyway, I don't see why the composer of "This Land is My Land, This Land is Your Land" has any relevance to the topic.
 
2013-12-27 03:46:48 AM  
"Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"


"The majority." Not the Constitution, not the ideals of the Founding Fathers enshrined in the Constitution.

Why does John Hagee hate America?
 
2013-12-27 03:53:59 AM  

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


And a Happy Saturnalia to you.
 
2013-12-27 03:59:16 AM  

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


This guy ain't a preacher - he's an out-and-out child molester.  When this crime against nature ain't dreaming about shirtless 14 year old boys, he's dreaming about shirtless 13 year old boys.  Hey, real Christians, when are you planning on eliminating this disgrace from the planet?  Otherwise, you deserve to plummet into the abyss along with this useless excuse for a human being.  If there really were a god, his "sermon" would have been punctuated with a lightning bolt through his brainless cranium.
 
2013-12-27 04:00:23 AM  
FTFA: "Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

Support for same-sex marriage is now polling at 53%. Looks like a majority to me.
 
2013-12-27 04:19:55 AM  

orbister: FTFA: "Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

Support for same-sex marriage is now polling at 53%. Looks like a majority to me.


Yeah, I dont think he really thought that through.  The majority aint what it used to be.
 
2013-12-27 04:25:32 AM  

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


I'm an atheist and I have no problem being wished a merry Christmas. I may wish you a happy Kwanzaa in return (particularly if you're white), but it's meant more to be funny (because I'm really white) than offensive. I have yet to meet a non-Christian who gets offended by someone wishing them a merry Christmas. The only thing that gets my knickers in a twist during the holidays is religious displays on public property, and that's only because of the rancor it causes and the potential for lawsuits and douchebaggery. That shiat can get very expensive for a local government very quickly.
 
2013-12-27 04:47:31 AM  

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


And people don't have a problem.  But if you say "Happy Holidays" they burst a blood vessel.
 
2013-12-27 04:48:35 AM  

Frederick: Agnostic simply means to not know, which is how I define myself.


And thus, you are not claiming to know.  That's the top of that chart.

"Do you know if there's a god" and "Do you believe there's a god" are two different questions.  That's what people are trying to say to you.  Belief is independent of knowledge in this case.

You don't know if there's a god? Fine, you're an agnostic.  But that's an entirely different question from whether you believe there is a god.

So, basically:

I don't know, but I believe God exists: Agnostic Theist.
I don't know, and I don't believe God exists: Agnostic Atheist
I know God exists (and thus believe he does): Gnostic Theist
I know God doesn't exist (and thus don't believe he does): Gnostic Theist.

That is what the definitions are.  You claim you don't know, thus you're an agnostic.  But again, belief is a different question.

/And worship is a third question that doesn't get asked nearly as much, but should.
//Even if I knew a God existed, there's still the question of whether I would follow such a God.
 
2013-12-27 05:39:26 AM  

IlGreven: "Do you know if there's a god" and "Do you believe there's a god"

I know God exists (and thus believe he does): Gnostic Theist
I know God doesn't exist (and thus don't believe he does): Gnostic Theist (sic).


How is it possible for one to know god exists?  Without that answer, I contend the premise is flawed.  The premise only works if the ability to know god exists, is accepted as a given.

Essentially it reads as:

I believe, and I believe: theist
I dont believe and I dont believe: atheist

/do you accept it as given that knowledge of god's existence is possible?
//it sounds to me like the very definitions of knowledge and belief are being homogenized
///dont take this as arguing so much as discussing
 
2013-12-27 07:11:39 AM  

Confabulat: Eh, an ignorant angry Christian. What a shocker. Is there any other kind?


My wife, but she's one of the few I've ever met.
 
2013-12-27 07:56:37 AM  

Jument: I'm agnostic and I love Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.


I agree with you 100%. May I respectfully suggest a more "year-round" version?

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.
 
2013-12-27 08:00:54 AM  

alice_600: 0x1a4: "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?

You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.


Turn the other cheek.
 
2013-12-27 08:29:08 AM  

Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.


Hagee was the first one who said that Katrina was punishment for homosexuals. Pat Robertson picked up the Idiot Ball and ran with it after that.
 
2013-12-27 08:30:37 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Y

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


Oh look, it's that guy that doesn't know the difference between the questions, "Do you believe in a deity?" and "Are you sure?"  Here come the very simple explanations and diagrams that will likely have no effect.
 
2013-12-27 08:43:43 AM  

IlGreven: Frederick: Agnostic simply means to not know, which is how I define myself.

And thus, you are not claiming to know.  That's the top of that chart.

"Do you know if there's a god" and "Do you believe there's a god" are two different questions.  That's what people are trying to say to you.  Belief is independent of knowledge in this case.

You don't know if there's a god? Fine, you're an agnostic.  But that's an entirely different question from whether you believe there is a god.

So, basically:

I don't know, but I believe God exists: Agnostic Theist.
I don't know, and I don't believe God exists: Agnostic Atheist
I know God exists (and thus believe he does): Gnostic Theist
I know God doesn't exist (and thus don't believe he does): Gnostic Theist.

That is what the definitions are.  You claim you don't know, thus you're an agnostic.  But again, belief is a different question.

/And worship is a third question that doesn't get asked nearly as much, but should.
//Even if I knew a God existed, there's still the question of whether I would follow such a God.


Nothing personal, and in general, what part of "don't know, don't know" is so hard to understand?

It does not mean you don't care or that you haven't studied the problem, or that you don't understand some part of the equation.  It means you acknowledge the question probably can't be answered and you refuse to commit to a belief based on this incomplete knowledge.  It doesn't mean you just give up or that you won't look at new or changing evidence.

If the question itself is theoretically incapable of being answered, you CAN'T know.  And if you "believe" in a conclusion one way or the other, however weakly you claim that belief to be, it doesn't matter that you say "I don't know" about part of it. Your are still committing to belief without 100% proof, even though proof is your standard.

It's important to note that inability to currently prove or disprove is NOT the same as "unknowable".   Absured analogies fail because of this distinction.  If we believe science will one day answer some of the biggest questions, then why not also these ridiculous analogies?

The real questions are unique due to their implications and can't be simplified accurately via reductions to the absurd, which take on a life of their own as a kind of "atheist dogma".

However much we think there's a good chance via leading scientific evidence, there's still a leap being made in arriving at that "belief".  99% is still 1% short, and 1 is greater than zero.  That doesn't mean agnostics are claiming "god in the gaps", it means YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE so don't pretend you're basing your beliefs ONLY on fact.

Many will even admit this, but claim it's only a matter of time before the gap is made smaller ...though not eliminated because, again, that's IMPOSSIBLE by definition of the question.  Do they realize that this is not so different from what religious people believe about their own future vindication, however silly it seems (which is very silly)?

This is where self-described atheists run afoul of anyone who informs them that their belief in no god (unknowable) is similar to an unproven belief in god.   Yet agnostics who dutifully stick to scientific requirements and know the equations are not complete are considered fence-sitting double-secret theists who hate science and reason!

All of that is why people say "as bad as Christians".  It's not because of history of oppression in government or population statistics.  It's because of the reasoning involved and the fact that unprovable conclusions are being drawn (and for many, there is a similar intolerant attitude about it).

Personally, I think most of these terms are so polluted they need to be scrapped in favor of new classifications...if classifications are needed at all.   Agnostic, atheist....why do we even need these categories other than to simplify "none of the above", mostly for religious people?  It doesn't seem to be working very well.
 
2013-12-27 08:53:46 AM  
 
2013-12-27 08:57:57 AM  
Circle jerk, now in internet message board form!
 
2013-12-27 08:59:47 AM  

Mugato: Circle jerk, now in internet message board form!


I think the jerking is going on in the Amy Adams thread on the Entertainment tab.
 
2013-12-27 09:02:13 AM  

Alphax: Mugato: Circle jerk, now in internet message board form!

I think the jerking is going on in the Amy Adams thread on the Entertainment tab.


*click*
 
2013-12-27 09:50:03 AM  

Errk: Haters gonna hate....

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I still have one of those in a box somewhere. And lots of cassette tapes. I even have some vinyl records and something to play them on.

/darn kids and their newfangled mp4 players
//off my lawn!
 
2013-12-27 10:44:24 AM  
The war on Christmas: so pernicious, it went back in time and changed history! Just look at all the terrible things liberals time traveled to make up!
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Look at how the woman is taller than Santa. Feminist propaganda. Plus everyone knows Santa doesn't have a sister. Revisionist history being shoved down our throats!

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Those look like Mexican flowers, and everyone knows Mexicans didn't exist before some time in the 90s. Fat chance getting us to believe real Americans would send cards like this!

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You mean Red Wishes for Communism, clearly.

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Holiday Happiness. And this girls is wearing pants. No mention of Christ or Christmas. Obvious code for godless lesbianism.

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Holiday wishes? I notice this Santa is dressed in brown in front of a brown wall which is an unChristian color and that one round ball looks entirely too much like a small basketball to me. Plus he is holding up a train which makes me think of making the trains run on time which is a fascist thing so I'm saying Obummer created this one.

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Says it all, atheists want to light Christmas on fire and watch it all burn.

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What compliments? Like complementary slave labor in your FEMA Camp???

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I mean wtf is happening here. No one would really make cards like this.  This heathen card promotes drunkeness, either by women or gays, can't tell who the pink is for.

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This card involves brown, smoking, and a phallic, pole-like object. Need I say more.

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A pink house??? Obviously fake. We didn't have homos back then. Notice the lack of Jesus.

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People didn't have dongs back then either! Everyone was sealed off plastic, like Ken dolls. Stop pushing your time traveling dong agenda, homogays! Plus you went and made the card purple, like the head of a lust engorged dong. And you thought normal people wouldn't notice your perverted insolence.

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Do I even have to say anything about the homosexual agenda just COVERING this one.

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You sickos.

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And most disgusting. While it does slyly mention Christmas, this card not only promotes creepy looking birds growing extra creepy looking limbs to use as hands...but also charity to the poor. GROSS! Yes, clearly the War on Christmas is a terrible, terrible thing.
 
2013-12-27 10:59:09 AM  
He is absolutely right Christmas is a Christian holiday and needs to be removed from the Federal Holiday calendar.
 
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