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(The Raw Story)   Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee to atheists: "Take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears." Walkman? Really?   (rawstory.com) divider line 364
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2013-12-26 08:52:26 PM  

Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.


Like every person who steps up and creates a new subsection of Judeo-Christian beliefs?
 
2013-12-26 08:54:15 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Like every person who steps up and creates a new subsection of Judeo-Christian beliefs?


How many riffs can people create off one medium-sized book?
 
2013-12-26 08:54:46 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: IlGreven: /Prever the Ayatollah of Rock-'n'-Rolla myself.

"Greetings from The Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland!"


Greetings I am the Doctor and this is my companion, It's a Cat named "Puggles" who likes to eat chocolate covered cat nip. What's a Happenin' my brotha?
 
2013-12-26 08:56:46 PM  

Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.


Well they have a church now.
 
2013-12-26 08:57:28 PM  

jigger: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

So is Hagee going to hold Catholic mass on Christmas? I mean, look at the word.


Nah, it's back to hating Catholics again thanks to the new commie pope.
 
2013-12-26 08:57:58 PM  

alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.


Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.
 
2013-12-26 08:58:44 PM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....


So, once again, you "know". Please tell me how you "know" that those who don't have your belief, faith, ideology aren't self-aware?
 
2013-12-26 09:00:06 PM  

alice_600: Greetings I am the Doctor and this is my companion, It's a Cat named "Puggles" who likes to eat chocolate covered cat nip. What's a Happenin' my brotha?


Either i'm too young or too drunk to get that reference. I apologize either way.
 
2013-12-26 09:00:39 PM  
Apparently not much has missed his fat mouth..That fat bastard hasn't missed a meal in a long time, unlike the old ladies he cons from their last red cent the the promise of "100 fold reward" of
his prosperity gospel crap..
 
2013-12-26 09:03:21 PM  

Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.


So, we're meeting at your place, then?
 
2013-12-26 09:04:41 PM  

part of the problem: limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher

We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.


Hagee scares the crap out of me BECAUSE I'm a Christian. But the atheists keep feeding the beast......


Aw, that's nice. I'm grateful to you for downsplaining that to me.
I always wondered what the origins of evil asswipes like Hagee was, and now , you've explained it!
We non-believers are responsible!
Wouldn't you just know it?
And to think that by my failure to believe in the proper diety, I have create dand fostered these awful people!
It's all my fault!
I'm so ashamed!
 
2013-12-26 09:06:00 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

So, we're meeting at your place, then?


Hell naw. Guests weird me out.
 
2013-12-26 09:09:38 PM  

Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.


Atheists They have a church that takes donations sings songs and gives lectures. I like my old church its the same ones my ancestors worshipped in and helped built.  I kinda feel a connection to them during Mass.
 
2013-12-26 09:09:41 PM  
"And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?
 
2013-12-26 09:10:22 PM  

Confabulat: Danger Avoid Death: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

So, we're meeting at your place, then?

Hell naw. Guests weird me out.


I'll bring chicken wings and beer...?
 
2013-12-26 09:10:41 PM  
Wow, what an idiot.
 
2013-12-26 09:11:45 PM  

Phoenix87ta: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

You mean he's a frothing asshat in real life too?


I hear General Pinochet was a charming host, and mixed a killer martini.
 
2013-12-26 09:13:51 PM  

0x1a4: "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?


You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.
 
2013-12-26 09:17:42 PM  

alice_600: You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.


No, I am being a dick and making fun of John Hagee and those who claim America was founded on Christianity.  Also those who can't comprehend the difference between what they believe and a free society
 
2013-12-26 09:18:04 PM  
At first I thought it a rehash/repeat of old news, but no, he's almost repeating himself again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75b1FMzGTB8
 
2013-12-26 09:19:01 PM  
Religions are easy to make fun of when they're dumb.
 
2013-12-26 09:19:30 PM  

strife: At first I thought it was a rehash/repeat of old news, but no, he's almost repeating himself again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75b1FMzGTB8


I've used up my FTFM's for the year.
 
2013-12-26 09:19:40 PM  

alice_600: Confabulat: Danger Avoid Death: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

So, we're meeting at your place, then?

Hell naw. Guests weird me out.

I'll bring chicken wings and beer...?


Well that's different.
 
2013-12-26 09:24:07 PM  
fusillade762:

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This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).
 
2013-12-26 09:25:23 PM  

alice_600: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

Atheists They have a church that takes donations sings songs and gives lectures. I like my old church its the same ones my ancestors worshipped in and helped built.  I kinda feel a connection to them during Mass.


Some atheists did. That does not mean all atheists support or even like the idea.

I'm really so sick of this. One atheist or group of atheists does something, and Christians are all "SEE! It's a religion!"

But when one Christian person or group does something stupid? "This is not representative of true Christian beliefs."
 
2013-12-26 09:28:25 PM  
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex act.
 
2013-12-26 09:30:04 PM  

Weaver95: heh.  well played sir, well played!


Thanks, that's pretty much my only job here.
 
2013-12-26 09:30:26 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex act.


Both still involve a lot of jerking off, though.
 
2013-12-26 09:38:53 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Your Hind Brain: When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know.

[pizza-casper.ch image 680x464]

What do you claim if you are of "gnocchi"?


s3-2.kiva.org

Duh.
 
2013-12-26 09:39:41 PM  

Your Hind Brain: Religions are easy to make fun of when because they're dumb.

 
2013-12-26 09:49:48 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Your Hind Brain: Religions are easy to make fun of when because they're dumb.


What happens when they're smart? Smarty? Because you're smarty?

/I'll say "when" when I damn well please
 
2013-12-26 10:07:15 PM  
I served this country for 7 years. Im an Atheist. I would like to see John Hagee try and make me leave the country. This is a great example of why churches should lose their tax exempt status.
 
2013-12-26 10:10:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole


I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole
 
2013-12-26 10:24:52 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole

I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole


Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

/a substantial portion of those who claim to follow his teachings, on the other hand...
 
2013-12-26 10:26:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Wow, what an idiot.


Amen
 
2013-12-26 10:37:55 PM  

part of the problem: When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.


Tell us the worst thing you've heard Singer say publicly about persecuting Christians and we can tell you if you're indulging in false equivalence fallacies or not.
 
2013-12-26 10:39:37 PM  

Frederick: fusillade762:

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This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).


Agnosticism relates to knowledge, not belief. Belief is a binary. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't actively believe in some kind of deity, no matter what reason you give for that lack, you're still an atheist. The absence of belief in a deity is the sole criterion. Anything else you add is superfluous. So if you don't know whether god exists or not, and choose to believe anyways, then you are an agnostic theist. If you don't know whether god exists or not and you don't assert belief in god, no matter what else you do or say, you're an agnostic atheist. There's no actual middle ground. The most wishy-washy person possible is still either saying they believe in a god, or not saying it. "I don't know if I believe in god" is just a passive, avoidant and convoluted way to say that you lack belief.
 
2013-12-26 10:45:17 PM  

Jument: I'm agnostic


Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.
 
2013-12-26 10:46:49 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:

Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

When he threw the last money changer out of the temple he turned to him and winked and said "Hey, got two tens for a five?"
 
2013-12-26 10:48:58 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: kaseyfarksdaladies: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole

I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole

Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

/a substantial portion of those who claim to follow his teachings, on the other hand...


"I've got nothing against Jesus, it's his fan club I can't stand."

/see also: dalailamachristandchristians.jpg


Hickory-smoked: Tell us the worst thing you've heard Singer say publicly about persecuting Christians and we can tell you if you're indulging in false equivalence fallacies or not.


Well, as a libby-lib-lib who had a class with Singer, and read several of his other works in other classes, I can tell you the man is a prick. Among other things, he argues that bestiality should be legal, athletes should be allowed to take steroids, killing a newborn baby is not the same as killing an adult, and the severely disabled are not entitled to the same rights as a healthy person.

His mother has Alzheimer's, and he has publicly said that basically, if it were up to him, he would euthanize her.
 
2013-12-26 10:52:59 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [i204.photobucket.com image 425x297]


I'm starting to think there's really only one crazy old white guy with glasses and a giant forehead.  There is just no farking way it can be the same thing every damn time.
 
2013-12-26 11:16:06 PM  

KiltedBastich: Frederick: fusillade762:

[actok.org image 850x821]

This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).

Agnosticism relates to knowledge, not belief. Belief is a binary. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't actively believe in some kind of deity, no matter what reason you give for that lack, you're still an atheist. The absence of belief in a deity is the sole criterion. Anything else you add is superfluous. So if you don't know whether god exists or not, and choose to believe anyways, then you are an agnostic theist. If you don't know whether god exists or not and you don't assert belief in god, no matter what else you do or say, you're an agnostic atheist. There's no actual middle ground. The most wishy-washy person possible is still either saying they believe in a god, or not saying it. "I don't know if I believe in god" is just a passive, avoidant and convoluted way to say that you lack belief.


I disagree.  Your premise is flawed with the assumption that belief is binary, thats akin to saying racism is binary -there are degrees.  If I am asked "do you believe in god?"  I answer "sometimes" or even "I dont know".  If I say "I dont know" you have no right to then define it for me.

What color is my shirt?  Upon your answer I will tell you what you "really" mean.....

The problem is; some people cant let "I dont know" stand undefined.  Im fine with you thinking or believing what you wish, you are not affording me the same courtesy.

Ghastly: Jument: I'm agnostic

Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.


I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?
 
2013-12-26 11:27:42 PM  
It's not complicated to me. I'm an atheist. No capital letters. I didn't join a group to become one, nor did I leave a religion. I was raised by an atheist and fairy tales about god were not part of my childhood upbringing. I was really shocked in 3rd grade when I discovered the crazy shiat my fellow students believed. At least Santa gave some evidence of his existence.

I'm not a narrowly defined term. I'm a guy that doesn't believe in a god, never has, and is not interested in finding out more. Religion is a non-entity in my life. The only time it comes up is on internet threads; otherwise, I never think about it at all. I don't go through my day letting my atheist principles guide me; I just go do the shiat i need to do.

People who feel the need to narrowly define what others think only reveal their own biases and their demands that others believe in the ways they pretend they believe, usually to make them feel better about themselves.
 
2013-12-26 11:32:14 PM  
Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.
 
2013-12-26 11:38:48 PM  

Ghastly: Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.


I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion, and we learned that agnostic was a perfectly acceptable term for someone who did not have an opinion in terms of the existence of god(s). There's a difference between "I don't know," and "I don't know and I don't care."
 
2013-12-26 11:46:01 PM  
grumpfuff:

I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion,

So can you recommend a good cream for deep fryer splatter burns?
 
2013-12-26 11:49:12 PM  

Ghastly: grumpfuff:

I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion,

So can you recommend a good cream for deep fryer splatter burns?


Ha. On Facebook, I am (or was? haven't logged on to it in a year or so), I was in a group called something like "I majored in things I enjoy, so I'll be living in a box for the rest of my life."

Though I am prepping to go for my masters/doctorate, and two schools have expressed interest in hiring me as a professor, so I guess that's something.
 
2013-12-26 11:52:58 PM  

grumpfuff: Ghastly: grumpfuff:


Meant to add, I am particularly proud of this, I have never worked a fast food or restaurant job in my life(unless you count bartending).
 
2013-12-27 12:15:49 AM  
Atheists like Christmas just fine. They only dislike you.

"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas.

Hah, just like Easter. Hey dummy, Eostre.
 
2013-12-27 12:21:50 AM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.


While there's more similarity that many atheists would like to think, there's also more difference than you're suggesting.

In short, the Social Dominance Orientation scale developed by Jim Sidanius tends uncorrelated to religiosity -- meaning that the asshole atheists and asshole fundies are likely both high-SDO types of assholes. However, the RWA scale developed by Altemeyer is only weakly correlated to SDO, but highly correlated to both a whole bunch of what I'll call "traits generally considered undesirable" and to religiosity (such that there's about four of the overall population's standard deviations between the atheist and fundamentalist sub-samples).

If you really want, I can start giving you pointers into the sociological research literature.
 
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