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2013-12-26 07:59:54 PM

thisisarepeat: Christians are on their way to being in the same boat as Muslims because they keep allowing these ass clowns to speak for them. My girlfriend has made progress in her life, she no longer believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny but she is still hanging on to the whole god thing, and yet she is still a decent person. Its frustrating, like having a puppy that is almosthouse trained.


You seem like a really fun person. Not at all like your judgmental asshatery gets in the way of your everyday life, one can imagine it pops up from time to time.

Oh to be a fly on that wall...
 
2013-12-26 08:00:04 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best



Nope.  I passed physics.  

/admittedly wacky
 
2013-12-26 08:00:14 PM

Weaver95: Sgt.Zim:
How many fundie/evangelical ministers do you know of that *aren't* raving, hate-filled lunatics?

well...not all of them are hate filled lunatics.  most of them are good people who've just been horribly misinformed about their own faith.  plus they come from a sub culture that doesn't encourage them to ask questions or think their beliefs thru to reach an internally consistent theology.

// quoting on mobileFark really sucks.

yes, that's why I avoid doing it.


Valid point.

I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. In my experience, the line between believing that your way is right and everyone else is going to hell, while still being a genuinely nice person, and actually being a raving nutbag, is razor-thin and easily crossed.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.
 
2013-12-26 08:01:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.


Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.
 
2013-12-26 08:01:27 PM

muck1969: FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.


Bingo.  A tyranny of 51% is just as bad as a tyranny of 1.

/Besides, in this country, it's usually a tyranny of 536.
 
2013-12-26 08:02:15 PM

Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.


well he can believe the moon is made of green cheese and crackers too for all it matters.  that doesn't change historical facts of the matter.

*sigh*

Dominionist Christians.  i'm always tempted to laugh at them...but then I remember that they're deadly serious with their theocratic government talk.
 
2013-12-26 08:02:43 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Your Hind Brain: Actually, everyone in every religion of the world should label themselves as agnostic because no one truly knows shiat about what may or may not be happening.

Maybe we have a differing idea of what an agnostic is. I was under the impression an agnostic was open to the idea of deities and the like, as in they're willing to give it a chance.

A deist is someone who already picked out their point of belief.


ag·nos·tic
noun \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
: a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exists or not
: a person who does not believe or is unsure of something

Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.
 
2013-12-26 08:03:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.

What the hell is that sh*t?


Mike Lowell he's not.
 
2013-12-26 08:05:29 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?


Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]
 
2013-12-26 08:05:34 PM

Cheater71: alice_600: cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.

Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?

You think we're going to go to his church and attend service? We're somewhere between feeling pity for this old bitter, confused man who genuinely believes his world is coming to an end, and worrying that hes going to act on his beliefs and encourage others to "take back their country".

He needs medication, and soon. I don't know why you think we should ignore him and hope he goes away. Hes not a troll, hes a dangerous person.


Because trolls want attention, attention Leads to news stories. That get posted on slate and again show up as a repeat and we have the same argument all over again.
 
2013-12-26 08:05:36 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


actok.org
 
2013-12-26 08:06:06 PM
Sgt.Zim:
I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. In my experience, the line between believing that your way is right and everyone else is going to hell, while still being a genuinely nice person, and actually being a raving nutbag, is razor-thin and easily crossed.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.


no, you raise a good point - there ARE a lot of raving lunatics in the non-denominational christian camp.  you've got dominionists, prosperity gospel theologians, scam artists, pro-lifers, militants...plenty of crazy there if you scratch the surface.  so I can't blame you for being cautious about evangelicals.  I guess what i'm saying is that we have to be careful not to automatically assume that everyone in the evangelical camp is one of the bad ones.  that would make us as bad as Hagee.  we should take the time to sort out the ones worth saving from the lunatics and encourage the good ones to keep trucking.
 
2013-12-26 08:06:08 PM

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: Christians are on their way to being in the same boat as Muslims because they keep allowing these ass clowns to speak for them. My girlfriend has made progress in her life, she no longer believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny but she is still hanging on to the whole god thing, and yet she is still a decent person. Its frustrating, like having a puppy that is almosthouse trained.

You seem like a really fun person. Not at all like your judgmental asshatery gets in the way of your everyday life, one can imagine it pops up from time to time.

Oh to be a fly on that wall...


We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for,  I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.
 
2013-12-26 08:06:23 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


The word "atheist" is not capitalized. Lack of belief is not a belief. And you sound like you learned these terms in Sunday School in like third grade and haven't been able to progress or mature in your thinking since then. But please, tell me more about my lack of belief and what I should be called. I've never believed in a god, ever, and I'm 44 years old. Now tell me more about what I am, because you are so smart.
 
2013-12-26 08:06:24 PM

Your Hind Brain: Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.


I think you're misconstruing definition 1 there: whether they have a definite 'belief' is non physical, but it's still a point of contention for them.

They don't need to 'prove' that their god exists, they just need to believe it. Agnostics are simply open to the idea that there may be something beyond our comprehension/something undiscovered/something out there/etc.

True believers don't need to be able to 'prove it'. I think your definition of agnostic is broke.
 
2013-12-26 08:07:02 PM
Best answer:

Here there comes a practical question which has often troubled me. Whenever I go into
a foreign country or a prison or any similar place they always ask me what is my religion.
I never know whether I should say "Agnostic" or whether I should say "Atheist". It is a
very difficult question and I daresay that some of you have been troubled by it. As a
philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought
to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive
argument by which one prove that there is not a God.
On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the
street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove
that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the
Homeric gods.
None of us would seriously consider the possibility that all the gods of homer really
exist, and yet if you were to set to work to give a logical demonstration that Zeus, Hera,
Poseidon, and the rest of them did not exist you would find it an awful job. You could
not get such proof.
Therefore, in regard to the Olympic gods, speaking to a purely philosophical audience, I
would say that I am an Agnostic. But speaking popularly, I think that all of us would say
in regard to those gods that we were Atheists. In regard to the Christian God, I should, I
think, take exactly the same line.


Am I An Atheist Or An Agnostic?
A Plea For Tolerance In The Face Of New Dogmas
 
2013-12-26 08:08:13 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]


Please DO NOT Connect My faith to Hitler. We finally got a good Pope don't fark it up.
 
2013-12-26 08:08:16 PM
Hitler was a Neo-Pagan.
 
2013-12-26 08:08:37 PM
Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.
 
2013-12-26 08:10:02 PM

thisisarepeat: We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for, I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.


Not to be an asshole (though I really am one), but some churches actually do good with their money beyond funding anti-abortion ads.

I can't say for sure your SO is a member of one of those, but there are some catholic churches in my immediate area that do great things with feeding and clothing and even temporarily housing the poor.

S'why even though I'm not a believer anymore I don't mind donating to them when they come around the Holiday Season: I know they're trying to clothe (THEN feed) every homeless person in a 25 mile radius.
 
2013-12-26 08:10:14 PM

alice_600: Darth_Lukecash: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

Please DO NOT Connect My faith to Hitler. We finally got a good Pope don't fark it up.


Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!
 
2013-12-26 08:13:35 PM

alice_600: Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!


Francis is pretty awesome as a pope and singular as a human being.

I just..didn't get that a megachurch somehow 'connected' RC Church to Hitler.

Stupid drunk me thought there was some paper trail or internal memo or something.

Lo and behold it's an ignorant shiatbag tossing together generalized words and ideas...

Damn normal people.
 
2013-12-26 08:14:21 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Your Hind Brain: Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.

I think you're misconstruing definition 1 there: whether they have a definite 'belief' is non physical, but it's still a point of contention for them.

They don't need to 'prove' that their god exists, they just need to believe it. Agnostics are simply open to the idea that there may be something beyond our comprehension/something undiscovered/something out there/etc.

True believers don't need to be able to 'prove it'. I think your definition of agnostic is broke.


Nope. It's not broke. When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know. That's when you proselytize and attempt to get others on the gods you claim to know about.
 
2013-12-26 08:14:52 PM

letrole: Hitler was a Neo-Pagan.


He was also a vegetarian. Checkmate, vegans.
 
2013-12-26 08:16:03 PM
One of the reasons I left the Church was Christians. That, and they taught me that the stories were true. Even as a kid, I was smarter. These people don't realize, almost the only parts of the Gospels that resonates with everyone, are Jesus' humanist positions. But, willful ignorance and all......
 
2013-12-26 08:16:37 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


What's with all the butthurt?
 
2013-12-26 08:19:56 PM

Your Hind Brain: When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know.


pizza-casper.ch

What do you claim if you are of "gnocchi"?
 
2013-12-26 08:20:00 PM

Your Hind Brain: Capo Del Bandito: Your Hind Brain: Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.

I think you're misconstruing definition 1 there: whether they have a definite 'belief' is non physical, but it's still a point of contention for them.

They don't need to 'prove' that their god exists, they just need to believe it. Agnostics are simply open to the idea that there may be something beyond our comprehension/something undiscovered/something out there/etc.

True believers don't need to be able to 'prove it'. I think your definition of agnostic is broke.

Nope. It's not broke. When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know. That's when you proselytize and attempt to get others on the gods you claim to know about.


Huh. Interesting idea.

Will ponder that but I'm currently still see it as their 'faith' giving them the backing they believe they need.

An Agnostic is unable to prove one way or another.

A true believer has 'faith', which means nothing to us but is everything they think they need, but they outright claim a deity exists which, s'far as I see it for now, is their main differing factor. It's all ideas, not needing proof.

Dunno, you've given me something to think on when I sober up though.
 
2013-12-26 08:20:56 PM

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for, I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.

Not to be an asshole (though I really am one), but some churches actually do good with their money beyond funding anti-abortion ads.

I can't say for sure your SO is a member of one of those, but there are some catholic churches in my immediate area that do great things with feeding and clothing and even temporarily housing the poor.

S'why even though I'm not a believer anymore I don't mind donating to them when they come around the Holiday Season: I know they're trying to clothe (THEN feed) every homeless person in a 25 mile radius.


Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets.  I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.
 
2013-12-26 08:25:48 PM

thisisarepeat: Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets. I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.


While I *am* a cynical misanthropic asshole who has no hope in people doing the right thing, I generally try to find proof before assuming. It can wreck your shiat assuming *every* person is the same and represents the entirety of that type of person/belief/whatever.

I'm more of a specifics/microanalyzation guy though.
 
2013-12-26 08:27:36 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Your Hind Brain: When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know.

[pizza-casper.ch image 680x464]

What do you claim if you are of "gnocchi"?


You like to eat the hell out of it and you will be reincarnated in about 4 hours to 16.223 trillion years.
 
2013-12-26 08:30:46 PM

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches.


So did Ayatollah Khomeini.
 
2013-12-26 08:30:50 PM

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets. I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.

While I *am* a cynical misanthropic asshole who has no hope in people doing the right thing, I generally try to find proof before assuming. It can wreck your shiat assuming *every* person is the same and represents the entirety of that type of person/belief/whatever.

I'm more of a specifics/microanalyzation guy though.


Yeah, I used to only hire people with neck tattoos to walk my dog, because they do it for free if you have a key cut for them...
 
2013-12-26 08:31:03 PM

Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.


Hence the second quote.

He basically admits he used the Catholic formula to get a blind following. But yeah, he was a complete politicians. I think he firmly believed that the Jews were evil though, and thought he was doing the Lords work killing them.


alice_600: Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!


Nah, it's okay. Hitler was a prick and was not a true representative of most Catholics.

Actually, most religious people can be really cool, because they want to just let people live and let live.
 
hej
2013-12-26 08:31:44 PM
I vote we declare December 25th to be Pastmas, a day on which we decorate our houses with colorful lights, pitch a cut down pine tree in our living room and decorate it in a like fashion, bestow gifts upon on friends and family, and take the day off work.

And - most importantly - give praise and thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for which that day is so named.
 
2013-12-26 08:32:38 PM
Capo Del Bandito:

I'm more of a specifics/microanalyzation guy though.

Very good of you. Hopefully, you don't use faith in your metrics and analysis while at work. Some co-workers get a little bent about it.
 
2013-12-26 08:32:39 PM
 
2013-12-26 08:36:08 PM
Someone needs to send him a D&D game and Anthrax album, stat.
 
2013-12-26 08:36:14 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.

Hence the second quote.

He basically admits he used the Catholic formula to get a blind following. But yeah, he was a complete politicians. I think he firmly believed that the Jews were evil though, and thought he was doing the Lords work killing them.


alice_600: Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!

Nah, it's okay. Hitler was a prick and was not a true representative of most Catholics.

Actually, most religious people can be really cool, because they want to just let people live and let live.


Like Thomas More!
 
2013-12-26 08:36:25 PM

Your Hind Brain: Very good of you. Hopefully, you don't use faith in your metrics and analysis while at work. Some co-workers get a little bent about it.


My wallpaper at work is "Axial Tilt: The Reason for the Season".

That's got some people at work bent, but not for my ability at work...

Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage


Thanks! i needed my daily dose of 'mygodihateyouhumanity' in electronic form.
 
2013-12-26 08:36:30 PM
"Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed.

First they tell us how bad illegal aliens are, next they're encouraging us to become one.  Is a little consistency, other than being an industrial-grade douchebag at all times, too much to ask for?
 
2013-12-26 08:38:33 PM

you are a puppet: I just say "Allah hu Akbar". So far nobody has been cool with it.


...this guy has the ears of most politicians, from McCain to Obama. He's the Ayatollah of America.  He just isn't "officially" the Ayatollah of America.

/Prever the Ayatollah of Rock-'n'-Rolla myself.
 
2013-12-26 08:41:14 PM

IlGreven: /Prever the Ayatollah of Rock-'n'-Rolla myself.


"Greetings from The Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland!"
 
2013-12-26 08:43:06 PM

Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23 
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage


Weren't the Jewish were protected before the Spanish Inquisition by the Roman Catholic church?  If I remember in history class in college. You didn't really care Spain was this combination Christian, Jewish, Muslim nation where everyone was multicultural and when they weren't working they played chess.
 
2013-12-26 08:44:28 PM
I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.
 
2013-12-26 08:44:28 PM

Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher


We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.
 
2013-12-26 08:45:49 PM

alice_600: Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23 
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage

Weren't the Jewish were protected before the Spanish Inquisition by the Roman Catholic church?  If I remember in history class in college. You didn't really care Spain was this combination Christian, Jewish, Muslim nation where everyone was multicultural and when they weren't working they played chess.


Yeah that sounds awesome!  Now they are too busy capitulating to muslim terrorists demands.
 
2013-12-26 08:47:05 PM

limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher

We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.



Hagee scares the crap out of me BECAUSE I'm a Christian. But the atheists keep feeding the beast......
 
2013-12-26 08:47:22 PM

Shirley Ujest: Someone needs to send him a D&D game and Anthrax album, stat.


I was looking for D&D games, and it's a toss-up between these two:

i.ebayimg.com

olddungeonmaster.files.wordpress.com

Any suggestions?
 
2013-12-26 08:48:34 PM

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.



I'd say great trolling but it wasn't *that* great.

And on the off chance you're not trolling: we can always go the Pope Francis route and peacefully coexist and benefit each other.
 
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