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(The Raw Story)   Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee to atheists: "Take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears." Walkman? Really?   (rawstory.com) divider line 364
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2013-12-26 02:51:55 PM  
"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.
 
2013-12-26 02:55:48 PM  
Christ what an asshole
 
2013-12-26 03:01:56 PM  
take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?
 
2013-12-26 03:06:45 PM  
"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...
 
2013-12-26 03:21:10 PM  
FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.
 
2013-12-26 03:25:10 PM  
Haters gonna hate....

goingsony.com
 
2013-12-26 03:25:22 PM  
I found a cassette tape stuffed in a drawer today.....but I have nothing to play it on
 
2013-12-26 03:25:36 PM  
fark this crazy old dinosaur.
 
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2013-12-26 03:32:48 PM  

muck1969: FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.


That and the fact that his sort isn't the majority.
 
2013-12-26 03:35:40 PM  
pisces.bbystatic.com
 
2013-12-26 03:37:29 PM  
Saturn would like a word with Mr. Hagee.
 
2013-12-26 03:42:24 PM  
He derped so hard it caused him to travel back in time to the 1980s.  I miss the 80s.  That was a fun time.  I'm going to try to derp travel myself back there right now.

I don't know about you guys but I find Justin Bieber to be absolutely delightful.  And that Miley Cyrus.  Oh, man, if those two ever get together, you just watch out!
/looks around
//still here, damn

I have to say the show, Glee, is absolutely perfect in every way.  It really is an American treasure.
/looks around some more.  hmmmm, not working yet

If Rick Santorum isn't the next President of the United States it'll be a god damned travesty
/hold on, I felt something shake
//almost there!

The highest honor a man can achieve is the privilege or tongue punching Paris Hilton's fart box!
/WHOAH!
//it's working.  i'm in the time tunnel.
///I'll miss you all!  remember me fondly!
////sweet!  a pair of Reebok pumps!  and Alf's on!
 
2013-12-26 03:42:33 PM  
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?
 
2013-12-26 04:05:11 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?


Whichever one chooses to say to you, they are trying to be nice, and the appropriate response is "Thank you."
 
2013-12-26 04:05:44 PM  

keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...


I'd like to be outraged, but it's just so pathetic that he's missed the entire point of pointing out the historical origins of certain practices and traditions that have come to be associated with the holiday.
 
2013-12-26 04:07:44 PM  

Nabb1: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

Whichever one chooses to say to you, they are trying to be nice, and the appropriate response is "Thank you."


That's my MO.  I'm not yelling "BELIEVE IN CHRIST!" I'm trying to share with you the nice stuff.  And on the flip side, I don't go off the rails when someone extends a greeting for one of their special days.  I have plenty to get angry over - this isn't one of them.
 
2013-12-26 04:10:03 PM  

Diogenes: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

I'd like to be outraged, but it's just so pathetic that he's missed the entire point of pointing out the historical origins of certain practices and traditions that have come to be associated with the holiday.


Very little that these willfully ignorant assholes say or do outrages me anymore, to be honest.

I'm just amazed at the level of ignorance of his own religion this pastor is displaying. 'Course, it's not nearly as pathetic as all the morons sitting in front of him nodding in agreement.
 
2013-12-26 04:12:09 PM  
From now on, I'm just going to set out a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas.  It will be like having a place setting for Prophet Elijah on Passover.
 
2013-12-26 04:17:30 PM  

keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...


To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.
 
2013-12-26 04:18:13 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?


I'm 44 years old and lived in rural northeast Alabama until a few years ago when I moved to the mega metropolis of Chattanooga, TN. I've heard "happy holidays" my entire life and not one person biatched about it until recently.
 
2013-12-26 04:21:34 PM  
And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.
 
2013-12-26 04:23:04 PM  

Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.


Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.
 
2013-12-26 04:25:29 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

I'm 44 years old and lived in rural northeast Alabama until a few years ago when I moved to the mega metropolis of Chattanooga, TN. I've heard "happy holidays" my entire life and not one person biatched about it until recently.


I was looking through some old Christmas cards from the 80s recently and virtually all of them, like 95%, said "Happy Holidays."

I realize that these people have made the conscious decision to pretend they don't understand, but it's because there's, you know, more than one holiday around this time of year. "Holidays." Plural.

But what the hell, we've already gone this far with this completely invented outrage. We may as well test it to destruction. It's not like there's any chance of this country ever moving past it.
 
2013-12-26 04:27:47 PM  

Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.


You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.
 
2013-12-26 04:27:53 PM  
www.cake-decorating-corner.com

blogs.laweekly.com

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....
 
2013-12-26 04:28:58 PM  

Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.


His beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand: Humankind is simply materialized color operating on the 49th vibration.
 
2013-12-26 04:29:53 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

His beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand: Humankind is simply materialized color operating on the 49th vibration.


I think that's the raelians. UFO cults are weird.
 
2013-12-26 04:32:23 PM  

Diogenes: From now on, I'm just going to set out a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas.  It will be like having a place setting for Prophet Elijah on Passover.


img.fark.net

approves
 
2013-12-26 04:44:34 PM  

Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.


Hagee, yes, among others.
 
2013-12-26 04:45:08 PM  

Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....


"How big of a piece do you want?"
"Make mine smaller than Aunt Elda's, but make sure I get a thorn."
 
2013-12-26 04:45:26 PM  
Wow. He has finger on the pulse of the corpse of an America that never was.
 
2013-12-26 04:52:58 PM  

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.

Isn't that like a necessary prerequisite for the job?

 
2013-12-26 04:58:27 PM  
After the service, he had his Rolls Royce drive him to his private jet for a weekend somewhere warm and sticky.
 
2013-12-26 04:59:52 PM  

Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.


The article makes him sound dangerous to me.  Especially to people like us.
 
2013-12-26 05:07:50 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: somewhere warm and sticky.


the oiled up haunches of a young dominican boy?
 
2013-12-26 05:11:10 PM  

JerseyTim: Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....

"How big of a piece do you want?"
"Make mine smaller than Aunt Elda's, but make sure I get a thorn."


"Do this in remembrance of me."
*blows out candles*
 
2013-12-26 05:14:59 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.

The article makes him sound dangerous to me.  Especially to people like us.


Yeah, that's why I'm kinda hoping the article was slanted to make him sound worse than he actually is...I really don't want to be the focus of a megachurch. That's the sort of attention I'd rather avoid.
 
2013-12-26 05:15:12 PM  

FlashHarry: Marcus Aurelius: somewhere warm and sticky.

the oiled up haunches of a young dominican boy?


If you catch my drift.
 
2013-12-26 05:24:42 PM  

Diogenes: JerseyTim: Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....

"How big of a piece do you want?"
"Make mine smaller than Aunt Elda's, but make sure I get a thorn."

"Do this in remembrance of me."
*blows out candles*


I would love to see Jesus's face when someone showed him that second cake
 
2013-12-26 05:43:54 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

I'm 44 years old and lived in rural northeast Alabama until a few years ago when I moved to the mega metropolis of Chattanooga, TN. I've heard "happy holidays" my entire life and not one person biatched about it until recently.


Same here.  Everyone took it as "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year's, oh, and in case you're Jewish, Happy Hannukah."

I live in a city so annoyingly liberal that there's a TV show that makes fun of how annoyingly liberal it is, and I've never seen some goatee stroker correct someone saying "Merry Christmas" with a snide, "HAPPY HOLIDAYS!"
 
2013-12-26 05:45:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole

 
2013-12-26 05:52:26 PM  

Diogenes: From now on, I'm just going to set out a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas.  It will be like having a place setting for Prophet Elijah on Passover.


Someone I went to high school with actually does this. Which is odd, because I don't remember her as being religious back then, but whatever.
 
2013-12-26 05:59:45 PM  

Errk: Haters gonna hate....

[goingsony.com image 497x478]


How am I supposed to fit that in my ear?


Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....


static.fjcdn.com
 
2013-12-26 06:02:52 PM  

Diogenes: [www.cake-decorating-corner.com image 400x265]

[blogs.laweekly.com image 367x275]

Hmmmm...sacrilicious.....


Is that the Holy Foreskin on the second cake?
 
2013-12-26 06:07:24 PM  
Ignorance? From a pastor? What a shock!
 
2013-12-26 06:08:39 PM  
Take a telephone pole and stuff it into your ass sisterfarker.
 
2013-12-26 06:09:14 PM  
John Hagee is a great preacher
 
2013-12-26 06:09:31 PM  

Irving Maimway: Saturn would like a word with Mr. Hagee.


Trust me, they are very close.
 
2013-12-26 06:09:42 PM  

FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.


Well, I was led to believe by Fox News that democrat = commie fascist, so it makes a certain amount of sense.
 
2013-12-26 06:09:52 PM  
www.grenswetenschap.nl
 
2013-12-26 06:11:15 PM  
Now he'll never get to be Pope!
 
2013-12-26 06:11:26 PM  
there's that Depeche Mode tape! it was in the walkman the whole time. thank you jesus for restoring unto me my Depeche Mode tape.
 
2013-12-26 06:12:42 PM  
Texas megachurch Pastor John Hagee this week advised atheists who didn't like Christmas to "leave the country" or "take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears."

Hmmm...its not really that i DONT like christmas, i do. I just don't like that it has turned more to commercialism and Santa, rather than "family bonding" that it should be. Also, i don't put much worth in words from some screaming hack that takes advantage of the old and fearful, and simple minded to line his pockets and make a buck by manipulating a story tale to his financial benefit. You DO know thats what you're doing right? So, take your stupid janet jackson looking disco bondage headgear and cram IT up your fat republican ass you farking worthless pagan cocksucker.
 
2013-12-26 06:12:51 PM  
For reference, the first Walkman amplifier circuit was a copy of a Raytheon hearing aide circuit.
 
2013-12-26 06:14:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?


You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

www.nerdist.com
 
2013-12-26 06:14:09 PM  

Weaver95: That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


How do you think he got to be pastor of a mega-church? He's channeling the same stream of sewage Fox viewers tune in for.
 
2013-12-26 06:16:42 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole


Hagee is a fat sack of shiat who bilks old people out of money to fund his lavish life style. He also perpetrated the sill Doomsday crap in order to bilk money from slightly less older people.

Basically, he's a scumbag all around. Most Atheists are far, far, far, far better people than he will ever be.
 
2013-12-26 06:17:07 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:


Yeah, the war was so horrifying, it used up all of the Doctors regenerations and he had to get new ones!
 
2013-12-26 06:17:28 PM  

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


True, but: it's not happenstance at all - the church picked the date to "override" the pagan holidays.  Everyone was celebrating at that time of year anyway, they just shoe-horned Christmas into the mix.
 
2013-12-26 06:17:35 PM  
I really want to make a snarky comment about witches and ducks, but I'm too busy wiping these tears for the future of humanity out of my eye.

//Burn him anyway
 
2013-12-26 06:18:12 PM  
Man oh man I hope Mr. Hankey is real so he can pay this loop a visit.
 
2013-12-26 06:18:57 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.

The article makes him sound dangerous to me.  Especially to people like us.

Yeah, that's why I'm kinda hoping the article was slanted to make him sound worse than he actually is...I really don't want to be the focus of a megachurch. That's the sort of attention I'd rather avoid.


I just listen to him.

Not.

Taken.

Out.

Of.

Context.

He's quite clear.  He also makes it a political issue.  He claims we are in danger of loosing our constitutional right if "Happy Holidays" is said instead of "Merry Christmas"

Of course he doesn't seem to care if he abridges any other peoples beliefs or freedoms.
 
2013-12-26 06:19:30 PM  

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information that contradicts their preconceptions.


virturl.com
 
2013-12-26 06:20:42 PM  
I'd love to ask him where he thinks the name Easter came from since he thinks the names of things are so important.
 
2013-12-26 06:21:04 PM  
It's still RealPlayer to me, dammit!
 
2013-12-26 06:23:00 PM  

sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?


This is what happens when Jesus won't let you say "up your ass".
 
2013-12-26 06:23:51 PM  
Awww, someone in the majority is feeling that they're being persecuted again.
 
2013-12-26 06:23:53 PM  
"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

So is Hagee going to hold Catholic mass on Christmas? I mean, look at the word.
 
2013-12-26 06:26:29 PM  

Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.


How bad could it be? We would make a huge sign advertising the time and place the pagan purge will begin. When they all show up (because you know they will) we get to shoot first.

As a bonus you get to keep any guns they dropped. You know they like em big and shiny.
 
2013-12-26 06:27:15 PM  
The holiday season begins a week before Labor Day and ends on the 4th of July. "Happy Holidays" in an inappropriate greeting only in the six or so weeks in between, when it is "Back-to-School" shopping season.
 
2013-12-26 06:27:42 PM  
What's the problem? He's just airing his grievances.

Seriously, what an asshole - he, and those like him, give Christianity a bad name.
 
2013-12-26 06:28:13 PM  
Mr Agee please suck my left nut.

That is all you fuk.
 
2013-12-26 06:28:19 PM  
I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-12-26 06:30:09 PM  

Diogenes: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

I'd like to be outraged, but it's just so pathetic that he's missed the entire point of pointing out the historical origins of certain practices and traditions that have come to be associated with the holiday.


Its all Sarah Palin's fault. Her book on Christmas is a gateway book to actual non fiction books on Christmas.
 
2013-12-26 06:30:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]


You sound, like, 26 in dog years.
 
2013-12-26 06:31:41 PM  
Why do Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra hate America?

eil.com
 
2013-12-26 06:32:18 PM  
It amazes me how weak their god is if these d!ckheads keep freaking out about saying "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas"
 
2013-12-26 06:32:25 PM  
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-12-26 06:33:27 PM  
I just say "Allah hu Akbar". So far nobody has been cool with it.
 
2013-12-26 06:33:50 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]

You sound, like, 26 in dog years.


I also like reading the newspaper.

I'm not even trying to be ironic.
 
2013-12-26 06:34:07 PM  
You crazy atheists what with your cordless phones and your dot matrix printers.
 
2013-12-26 06:34:49 PM  
Well, technically, Christmas was never a pagan holiday, it was always a Christian holiday.  It was just set on the same day as other religions' other holidays, the way sometimes Ramadan will overlap President's day or Lent might occur during a school's Spring break.

Usually we don't literally  mean that it used to be a pagan holiday, we're just making fun of the Christians because (1) it was created as a solstice-ish festival  explicitly to displace Saturnalia/recruit Imperial pagans to the church and (2) there was the normal amount of local and even overall cultural crossover and exchange involved with most of the Christmas traditions... that is to say, like 90% plus of the Christmas myth and like 99% of the rituals involved were borrowed from some other religion or secular group.

And, really, there's nothing  wrong with either of those two points in themselves.  Both of those things are  absolutely normal for both religious and secular cultural celebrations... the whole point is to include people (so if everyone in the city bakes a cake at the solstice, you add cakes to your list so there's no downside to joining your party) and to show up the neighbors ("oh, yeah?  Well our party has a BIGGER pool, with a  disco ball at the bottom).  This isn't something that anyone actually thinks makes Christianity evil or anything... in fact, if you ask a religious scholar or even a decently-educated Christian why christianity stole all its legends and shares stories with other religions, they'll shrug and tell you it's because the religion is more than a millenium old and Intellectual Property has only existed for a century or so.

What we're mocking when we say shiat like "Christianity stole Christmas from the Pagans" isn't the religion, because the religion has an official stance on this and it's "so what? winner gets to name the holiday".  It isn't religion in general, because anyone that passed middle school literature has noticed that mythologies have crossover and that's how it works.

We're making fun of  you, specifically, because you really, really care about your religion but the fact that you don't know any of this, and feel some need to defend the originality of something that doesn't claim to be original, makes you look  incredibly stupid.
 
2013-12-26 06:35:46 PM  

Weaver95: Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best

 will just revise history to fit their politics/religion.

closer to reality.
 
2013-12-26 06:35:48 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher




I'm sure I'd be astonished by what it would take for you to classify someone as a bad preacher.
 
2013-12-26 06:35:50 PM  
Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.
 
2013-12-26 06:36:46 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:


img.fark.net

Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?
 
2013-12-26 06:37:20 PM  

djZorbof: You crazy atheists what with your cordless phones and your dot matrix printers.


Whoa there chief, not all of us fancy that new fangled 'puter non-sense. Some of us are fine with our telegrams and printing presses.
 
2013-12-26 06:37:26 PM  
Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

We are, Pastor Pancake Vacuum.

And it just burns you up.
 
2013-12-26 06:38:42 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]



They are not terrible, and Brian Williams is a pretty awesome guy, but keep in mind that these two news organizations are run by Viacom and Comcast respectively, so there could be a bit of a slant towards reporting the narrative that their corporate masters want to get across. Plus, the constant Cialis ads just give me creepy visions of old, wrinkly Boomers boning.

Also, unless you are listening to NPR, you're probably only going to hear the 100 or so songs that Clear Channel has put on their corporate iPod and shuffled.  Plus, my Windows Phone has an FM radio built in, so technically I own one of those in addition to having a music player and the ability to stream just about any station in the world with TuneIn, and download any Podcast I want to hear, so it is not like you have to choose one over the other.
 
2013-12-26 06:39:48 PM  

noitsnot: Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?


Because he's naked underneath.
 
2013-12-26 06:39:59 PM  
What an ignorant buffoon.
 
2013-12-26 06:40:14 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.


He was the one who has said the Jews deserved their persecution (presumably including the Holocaust) for not following God closely enough, and then he praised the Holocaust for finally getting the Jews out of Europe and back in to the Holy Land.
 
2013-12-26 06:40:43 PM  
Weaver95:  That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.

He is a raving, hate-filled lunatic.
 
2013-12-26 06:41:20 PM  
Stupid zombie cultists.
 
2013-12-26 06:41:29 PM  
So...."Happy Holidays" is gonna destroy the Constitution?

What the entire nuclear-armed might of the Soviet Union failed to do, two teeny tiny little words are going to do?

Really?
 
2013-12-26 06:41:43 PM  
"Texas Megachurch"

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-12-26 06:42:40 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Doctor Funkenstein: He derped so hard it caused him to travel back in time to the 1980s.  I miss the 80s.  That was a fun time.  I'm going to try to derp travel myself back there right now.

I don't know about you guys but I find Justin Bieber to be absolutely delightful.  And that Miley Cyrus.  Oh, man, if those two ever get together, you just watch out!
/looks around
//still here, damn

I have to say the show, Glee, is absolutely perfect in every way.  It really is an American treasure.
/looks around some more.  hmmmm, not working yet

If Rick Santorum isn't the next President of the United States it'll be a god damned travesty
/hold on, I felt something shake
//almost there!

The highest honor a man can achieve is the privilege or tongue punching Paris Hilton's fart box!
/WHOAH!
//it's working.  i'm in the time tunnel.
///I'll miss you all!  remember me fondly!
////sweet!  a pair of Reebok pumps!  and Alf's on!


Aaahhhh... the 80s.
[imaginativetraining.com image 850x679]



I just want my hot, sweet GF back who thought I was awesome and liked to F like crazy.  Man did I screw that situation up.

/She did not believe in spitting
/God dammit
 
2013-12-26 06:43:57 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?

This is what happens when Jesus won't let you say "up your ass".


I hear Cameron is so tight, that if you put a lump of coal *in his fist*...
 
2013-12-26 06:46:10 PM  

noitsnot: Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

[img.fark.net image 615x396]

Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?


She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!
 
2013-12-26 06:46:38 PM  
I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.
 
2013-12-26 06:46:41 PM  
Why is it that the loudest "Christians" are always the least "Christ-like" or at least the most bigoted and spiteful.
 
2013-12-26 06:47:16 PM  

Repo Man: Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher



I'm sure I'd be astonished by what it would take for you to classify someone as a bad preacher.


Slores do not make one great
 
2013-12-26 06:47:24 PM  
I'm going to send him a very strongly worded fax.
 
2013-12-26 06:47:28 PM  

Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.


What the hell is that sh*t?
 
2013-12-26 06:47:48 PM  
[my user name] to all of you farkers!

While Saturnalia is actually supposed to end on the solstice, I think my favorite time of year is this week between the commercial craziness of Christmas and the reboot that comes with the new year.  It's especially awesome this year cause we are about to get a house full of old friends for a few days.

Old friends, time off, and a fully stocked bar.  What could be better?
 
2013-12-26 06:48:27 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Mrtraveler01: I'm the worst 26 year old ever. I own one of these instead of an ipod or mp3 player because I like listening to the radio. I also like watching CBS and NBC Evening/Nightly News instead of solely relying on the internet for my news.

[g-ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x241]


They are not terrible, and Brian Williams is a pretty awesome guy, but keep in mind that these two news organizations are run by Viacom and Comcast respectively, so there could be a bit of a slant towards reporting the narrative that their corporate masters want to get across. Plus, the constant Cialis ads just give me creepy visions of old, wrinkly Boomers boning.

Also, unless you are listening to NPR, you're probably only going to hear the 100 or so songs that Clear Channel has put on their corporate iPod and shuffled.  Plus, my Windows Phone has an FM radio built in, so technically I own one of those in addition to having a music player and the ability to stream just about any station in the world with TuneIn, and download any Podcast I want to hear, so it is not like you have to choose one over the other.


I love Tunein and have it downloaded on my phone. But unfortunately I can't use it where I work because the signal is pretty lousy, so I bring in my Walkman instead. I agree that most of the stations play the same songs over and over again, but there are a couple of FM stations here in St. Louis that have some individual identity to them so they're still listenable. I also listen to the FM Sports Talk station as well as NPR.
 
2013-12-26 06:48:54 PM  
Religion of Peace?
 
2013-12-26 06:49:10 PM  

alice_600: She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!


And hand your card over to me.  He's not "Doctor Who."  He's the Doctor.   Doctor Who is the name of the show.

/why do I know that? I don't even watch it.
 
2013-12-26 06:49:43 PM  

keylock71: Diogenes: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

I'd like to be outraged, but it's just so pathetic that he's missed the entire point of pointing out the historical origins of certain practices and traditions that have come to be associated with the holiday.

Very little that these willfully ignorant assholes say or do outrages me anymore, to be honest.

I'm just amazed at the level of ignorance of his own religion this pastor is displaying. 'Course, it's not nearly as pathetic as all the morons sitting in front of him nodding in agreement.



Yeh, yeh! He ig'nint!  Yeh!
 
2013-12-26 06:50:30 PM  

Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.


Much word salad
 
2013-12-26 06:51:16 PM  
Atheism is a Religion
 
2013-12-26 06:52:05 PM  
Okay here's what I understand about Paganism.

Pagans new pagans are wiccians right?

Then how come people who say they are druids when In reality no one knows what the druids really worshipped at Stonehenge? There was an oral tradition among the original druids rather than a written one. 
By the time the celts arrived Stonehenge was already ancient anyway.
 
2013-12-26 06:52:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.

What the hell is that sh*t?


John Hagee fired up his Commodore 64 and posted on Fark.
 
2013-12-26 06:52:57 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Trolling is an intelligent posting style.
 
2013-12-26 06:54:14 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Guys - who's alt is letrole, anyway?  Is this QA being even more puckish than usual?
 
2013-12-26 06:56:58 PM  
Religion is a form of atheism.
 
2013-12-26 06:57:38 PM  

sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?

Isn't that walk Walkmans are for? What else would you do with one?


I came to ask the same thing.
 
2013-12-26 06:57:40 PM  

Kittypie070: So...."Happy Holidays" is gonna destroy the Constitution?

What the entire nuclear-armed might of the Soviet Union failed to do, two teeny tiny little words are going to do?

Really?


Well, to be fair, 9 guys with box cutters accomplished what they couldn't.

And people still don't have  letrole on ignore? His schtick got old a long time ago.
 
2013-12-26 06:57:55 PM  
what a hipster...he probably types on a typewriter too.
 
2013-12-26 06:58:11 PM  

alice_600: Then how come people who say they are druids when In reality no one knows what the druids really worshipped at Stonehenge?


veryhilarious.com
 
2013-12-26 06:58:16 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


HA HA, only on reddit.
 
2013-12-26 06:58:37 PM  

jso2897: Religion is a form of atheism.


le Sur is my troll name
 
2013-12-26 06:58:38 PM  
My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.
 
2013-12-26 07:01:27 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: alice_600: She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!

And hand your card over to me.  He's not "Doctor Who."  He's the Doctor.   Doctor Who is the name of the show.

/why do I know that? I don't even watch it.


A ton of people ask me the same thing.
 
2013-12-26 07:01:31 PM  

alice_600: noitsnot: Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:

[img.fark.net image 615x396]

Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?

She is not holding hands with "Frankenstein!" That's Doctor Who! IF you have a geek card hand it over now!


You're both wrong. They are clearly not holding hands.
 
2013-12-26 07:02:07 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?
 
2013-12-26 07:02:24 PM  

djZorbof: You crazy atheists what with your cordless phones and your dot matrix printers.


You can have my Okidata ML420 Turbo when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands!

/ No seriously, we have two of them at our shop - I loves them so muches! Once you get past the sounds of locusts having sex, they're frickin' cool.
 
2013-12-26 07:03:41 PM  

IoSaturnalia: jso2897: Religion is a form of atheism.

le Sur is my troll name


My troll name is Bert and I'm sick of mutton.
 
2013-12-26 07:04:30 PM  
Next he's gonna say Saturnalia is what you celebrate on Saturn.

/Christmas on Saturn is called jublach. Everyone who can teleport knows that.
 
2013-12-26 07:04:53 PM  

IoSaturnalia: jso2897: Religion is a form of atheism.

le Sur is my troll name


I take it your people are originally from Big Sur?
 
2013-12-26 07:05:44 PM  
I'm agnostic and I love Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.
 
2013-12-26 07:06:05 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


You mean he's a frothing asshat in real life too?
 
2013-12-26 07:08:19 PM  

Speef: "Texas Megachurch"

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 250x272]


that's where they stopped reading too.

/rimshot
 
2013-12-26 07:08:20 PM  

IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?


Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.
 
2013-12-26 07:10:06 PM  

alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.


Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.
 
2013-12-26 07:10:12 PM  

Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.


That's the christian spirit!
 
2013-12-26 07:10:32 PM  

Jument: I'm agnostic and I love Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.


And if you DO like it, don't be an asshole about it either. Like the person we are actually talking about, as opposed to some random person somewhere.
Subjects of discussion - they are a conversation's friend!
 
2013-12-26 07:11:18 PM  
Religion + personality disorder =
 
2013-12-26 07:11:20 PM  
Wait, Sean D. Munns had lunch with Hagee? Sean Demons? Demons had lunch with Pastor Hagee?
 
2013-12-26 07:15:03 PM  
I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.
 
2013-12-26 07:15:38 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Wehell, okay sport... what does that have to do with a douchebag, asshole, farkface, dickhead pastor?
 
2013-12-26 07:15:54 PM  

capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.


36?

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH, BLASPHEMER. HE WAS 36 AND THREE DAYS.

:)
 
2013-12-26 07:16:10 PM  

FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."


Not only that, Jesus was called Christ because he was born on Christmas Day

Study that one out, atheists!
 
2013-12-26 07:16:25 PM  
I live in San Antonio, where Hagee's church is located, and I made the mistake of attending one of his services over 20 years ago.  I'm a Christian, and I was very uncomfortable.  He's very big on the end times.
 
2013-12-26 07:16:28 PM  

jso2897: Jument: I'm agnostic and I love Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.

And if you DO like it, don't be an asshole about it either. Like the person we are actually talking about, as opposed to some random person somewhere.
Subjects of discussion - they are a conversation's friend!


Welcome to Fark! ;)

"Don't be an asshole" are words to live by. Sadly it seems we have a lot of people who get their rocks off by being an asshole.
 
2013-12-26 07:16:29 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


No idea what these is even supposed to mean. How do you figure out what someone is really like from eating lunch with him (in Sacramento of all places)? What exactly was he practicing while shoveling food in his mouth? What'd he do - say grace before every helping? Turn his water into wine? Make a little Jesus statue out of his mashed potatoes?
 
2013-12-26 07:16:40 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.


Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?
 
2013-12-26 07:19:23 PM  
Walkman is a religion.
 
2013-12-26 07:20:01 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


And almost all locked-up-for-their-own-protection freakouts are perfectly reasonable in 95% of their social interactions, until you push one of their red buttons and they go completely OTT batshiat insane.
 
2013-12-26 07:20:28 PM  
Today is my favorite day of the year..because it is 364 days until Christmas.
 
2013-12-26 07:22:09 PM  

Weaver95: That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex.


Nope.

Weaver95: That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


That would be because he is.
 
2013-12-26 07:22:23 PM  

capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.


Wasn't he 33?

 

alice_600: Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?


That doesn't make sense, why would people angry about his church want to go see him in person?
 
2013-12-26 07:22:29 PM  
What a surprise. Another dishonest christian spreading the fiction of a "war on christmas" to rile up their brain-dead, frothing followers.

Business as usual at a mega-church ... don't forget to put your tax-free profits donation into the basket.
 
2013-12-26 07:23:25 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


If he practices what he preaches, that is a terrifying prospect.
 
2013-12-26 07:24:13 PM  

exvaxman: For reference, the first Walkman amplifier circuit was a copy of a Raytheon hearing aide circuit.


I'm gonna call BS on that.

Sony, at the time, was well capable of designing amplifiers for tape players. Analog ICs weren't as prevalent then as they are now, but why would a consumer devices company copy a hearing aid amplifier for a tape player? And did Raytheon, a defense contractor, build hearing aids? They did make a few of the early transistors and op amps.
 
2013-12-26 07:24:43 PM  
So christmas couldn't have been derived from a pagan holiday, just because it's got a different name? I suggest he never look up candlemas then.
 
2013-12-26 07:25:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.

Wasn't he 33?

 alice_600: Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?

That doesn't make sense, why would people angry about his church want to go see him in person?


The angry people talk about and help make this story "news." Well, if you ask me, it's not news. It's....it's....
 
2013-12-26 07:25:42 PM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion


Letrole is a form of surnaming
 
2013-12-26 07:26:11 PM  

ka1axy: exvaxman: For reference, the first Walkman amplifier circuit was a copy of a Raytheon hearing aide circuit.

I'm gonna call BS on that.

Sony, at the time, was well capable of designing amplifiers for tape players. Analog ICs weren't as prevalent then as they are now, but why would a consumer devices company copy a hearing aid amplifier for a tape player? And did Raytheon, a defense contractor, build hearing aids? They did make a few of the early transistors and op amps.


Yeah, that smacks heavily of urban legend.
 
2013-12-26 07:26:16 PM  
I guess our fundie farkheads live in caves now too.
 
2013-12-26 07:26:26 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

If he practices what he preaches, that is a terrifying prospect.


I know. He might stick a Walkman in his ears.
 
2013-12-26 07:28:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.


How are you kids reading anger into that one-liner?  I'm perfectly capable of making snarky comments about people's religious hypocrisy without getting angry.  Plus it's Saturnalia, woot!
 
2013-12-26 07:28:12 PM  
What next, they tell me that the Easter iconography of bunnies and eggs is from a fertility cult?
 
2013-12-26 07:28:17 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


It must be exhausting going through life being that stupid.
 
2013-12-26 07:28:44 PM  

HAMMERTOE: So christmas couldn't have been derived from a pagan holiday, just because it's got a different name? I suggest he never look up candlemas then.


It was the day baby Candle was born. Duh.
 
2013-12-26 07:30:05 PM  

Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.


Clearly he follows the Weaver.  Don't you people read books?
 
2013-12-26 07:30:40 PM  

Donald_McRonald: cameroncrazy1984: capn' fun: I'm having leftover Jesus birthday cake right now. First year in my memory, but I am assured that it is a long-cherished tradition that hails back to the Founding Fathers. Also, there were 36 candles, because Jesus was 36 when he died. Just your typical, suburban, Southern evangelical ("Merry!!!") Christmas.

Wasn't he 33?

 alice_600: Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?

That doesn't make sense, why would people angry about his church want to go see him in person?

The angry people talk about and help make this story "news." Well, if you ask me, it's not news. It's....it's....



 www.bloodshotlens.com
 
2013-12-26 07:30:44 PM  
here's the other statement that worries me: "Well, yes it is," he said. "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God."

people who call this country a 'christian nation' are badly misinformed.  there is simply no reason to go on believing something so blatantly stupid.  I mean we learn this in high school history class...this is NOT a theocratic country or a biblical government.
 
2013-12-26 07:31:37 PM  

Makh: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

Clearly he follows the Weaver.  Don't you people read books?


heh.  well played sir, well played!
 
2013-12-26 07:31:39 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.


So his stupidity is not just an act for the morons?
 
2013-12-26 07:32:50 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: HAMMERTOE: So christmas couldn't have been derived from a pagan holiday, just because it's got a different name? I suggest he never look up candlemas then.

It was the day baby Candle was born. Duh.


Baby Candle, is my favorite Candle.
 
2013-12-26 07:33:05 PM  

SevenizGud: What next, they tell me that the Easter iconography of bunnies and eggs is from a fertility cult?


img2-2.timeinc.net

No. It came from Cadbury.
 
2013-12-26 07:33:31 PM  

IoSaturnalia: cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.

How are you kids reading anger into that one-liner?  I'm perfectly capable of making snarky comments about people's religious hypocrisy without getting angry.  Plus it's Saturnalia, woot!


OMG Saturnalia is soooooo 20 B.C. so we're all about New Years celebrations.
 
2013-12-26 07:33:40 PM  

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


How many fundie/evangelical ministers do you know of that *aren't* raving, hate-filled lunatics?

// quoting on mobileFark really sucks.
 
2013-12-26 07:35:59 PM  
Sgt.Zim:
How many fundie/evangelical ministers do you know of that *aren't* raving, hate-filled lunatics?

well...not all of them are hate filled lunatics.  most of them are good people who've just been horribly misinformed about their own faith.  plus they come from a sub culture that doesn't encourage them to ask questions or think their beliefs thru to reach an internally consistent theology.

// quoting on mobileFark really sucks.

yes, that's why I avoid doing it.
 
2013-12-26 07:36:04 PM  
i204.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-26 07:38:51 PM  
Hey Hagee try shoving your private jet up your ass sans lube.
 
2013-12-26 07:39:12 PM  
Eh, an ignorant angry Christian. What a shocker. Is there any other kind?
 
2013-12-26 07:41:48 PM  

keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...


I wonder if he celebrates Michaelmas.
 
2013-12-26 07:43:05 PM  
What a tool. And isn't it just like a right winger to use the sexist term "Walkman" when the appropriate term is "Walkperson"
 
2013-12-26 07:44:31 PM  
Remember folks, this is the pig-thing that actually got booted from the McCain campaign when he started praising Hitler in one of his sermons.

Hitler. As in Adolf FARKING Hitler.

The man who started WWII, murdered millions, performed experiments on human beings, waged deliberate systematic genocide against whole groups of people.

And HOG-ee praised him.

Can you blame McCain for ejecting this vile sh*tclown? He already has a lot to answer for in the afterlife for creating Sarah Palin, but he'd be condemned to Hellfire for sure if he allowed this lout to stay with the campaign.
 
2013-12-26 07:45:40 PM  

Bucky Katt: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

I wonder if he celebrates Michaelmas.


Or Grandmas.
 
2013-12-26 07:45:43 PM  
Big words from a pastor who left his wife because he was schutpping his secretary. Cornerstone church is nothing shy of a monstrosity on Blanco at 1604.
 
2013-12-26 07:49:19 PM  
HAHAHAHA! Walkmans are so old-school! That like telling someone to shove a buggy-whip up his butt!

HAHAHA!

/Ha!
 
2013-12-26 07:49:20 PM  
You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best
 
2013-12-26 07:50:44 PM  
Supply-side Jesus approves of Hagee's shenanigans.
 
2013-12-26 07:51:38 PM  
The thing with walkman being derivative of raytheon hearing aids might have something to it.

I suspect that exvaxman's father might have been able to recognise his own work being used without credit.
 
2013-12-26 07:53:30 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


Actually, everyone in every religion of the world should label themselves as agnostic because no one truly knows shiat about what may or may not be happening.
 
2013-12-26 07:54:36 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


How do you figure?
 
2013-12-26 07:54:46 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


1/10
 
2013-12-26 07:55:53 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.
 
2013-12-26 07:56:09 PM  

alice_600: cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.

Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?


You think we're going to go to his church and attend service? We're somewhere between feeling pity for this old bitter, confused man who genuinely believes his world is coming to an end, and worrying that hes going to act on his beliefs and encourage others to "take back their country".

He needs medication, and soon. I don't know why you think we should ignore him and hope he goes away. Hes not a troll, hes a dangerous person.
 
2013-12-26 07:56:09 PM  

Your Hind Brain: Actually, everyone in every religion of the world should label themselves as agnostic because no one truly knows shiat about what may or may not be happening.


Maybe we have a differing idea of what an agnostic is. I was under the impression an agnostic was open to the idea of deities and the like, as in they're willing to give it a chance.

A deist is someone who already picked out their point of belief.
 
2013-12-26 07:56:50 PM  

brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!


Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.
 
2013-12-26 07:57:24 PM  

Ex-Texan: Big words from a pastor who left his wife because he was schutpping his secretary. Cornerstone church is nothing shy of a monstrosity on Blanco at 1604.



Christians are on their way to being in the same boat as Muslims because they keep allowing these ass clowns to speak for them.  My girlfriend has made progress in her life, she no longer believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny but she is still hanging on to the whole god thing, and yet she is still a decent person.  Its frustrating, like having a puppy that is  almosthouse trained.
 
2013-12-26 07:58:26 PM  

Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.


I...my brain..what?
 
2013-12-26 07:59:00 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: /any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


I doubt it.
 
2013-12-26 07:59:54 PM  

thisisarepeat: Christians are on their way to being in the same boat as Muslims because they keep allowing these ass clowns to speak for them. My girlfriend has made progress in her life, she no longer believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny but she is still hanging on to the whole god thing, and yet she is still a decent person. Its frustrating, like having a puppy that is almosthouse trained.


You seem like a really fun person. Not at all like your judgmental asshatery gets in the way of your everyday life, one can imagine it pops up from time to time.

Oh to be a fly on that wall...
 
2013-12-26 08:00:04 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best



Nope.  I passed physics.  

/admittedly wacky
 
2013-12-26 08:00:14 PM  

Weaver95: Sgt.Zim:
How many fundie/evangelical ministers do you know of that *aren't* raving, hate-filled lunatics?

well...not all of them are hate filled lunatics.  most of them are good people who've just been horribly misinformed about their own faith.  plus they come from a sub culture that doesn't encourage them to ask questions or think their beliefs thru to reach an internally consistent theology.

// quoting on mobileFark really sucks.

yes, that's why I avoid doing it.


Valid point.

I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. In my experience, the line between believing that your way is right and everyone else is going to hell, while still being a genuinely nice person, and actually being a raving nutbag, is razor-thin and easily crossed.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.
 
2013-12-26 08:01:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.


Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.
 
2013-12-26 08:01:27 PM  

muck1969: FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.


Bingo.  A tyranny of 51% is just as bad as a tyranny of 1.

/Besides, in this country, it's usually a tyranny of 536.
 
2013-12-26 08:02:15 PM  

Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.


well he can believe the moon is made of green cheese and crackers too for all it matters.  that doesn't change historical facts of the matter.

*sigh*

Dominionist Christians.  i'm always tempted to laugh at them...but then I remember that they're deadly serious with their theocratic government talk.
 
2013-12-26 08:02:43 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Your Hind Brain: Actually, everyone in every religion of the world should label themselves as agnostic because no one truly knows shiat about what may or may not be happening.

Maybe we have a differing idea of what an agnostic is. I was under the impression an agnostic was open to the idea of deities and the like, as in they're willing to give it a chance.

A deist is someone who already picked out their point of belief.


ag·nos·tic
noun \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
: a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exists or not
: a person who does not believe or is unsure of something

Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.
 
2013-12-26 08:03:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Stinkyy: I'd like to wish a hearty seasonal FOAD to all Fark atheist snarklibs and mockers of Christ.

And when 0fuk0 or his agents command you to try and rob me of life and liberty, I'll be more than ready to expedite your trip to confirm your hypothesis on whether there's a Maker.

What the hell is that sh*t?


Mike Lowell he's not.
 
2013-12-26 08:05:29 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?


Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]
 
2013-12-26 08:05:34 PM  

Cheater71: alice_600: cameroncrazy1984: alice_600: IoSaturnalia: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

So, a hateful bigot IRL, too?

Calm down you're getting angry about a guy who never heard of an IPod it's like attacking your granny because she doesn't understand what a bronie is.

Uh, that's not why he's angry about Hagee.

Well ever think that maybe that's what he wants? You all to get angry and talk about his church so he can put more butts in the seats?

You think we're going to go to his church and attend service? We're somewhere between feeling pity for this old bitter, confused man who genuinely believes his world is coming to an end, and worrying that hes going to act on his beliefs and encourage others to "take back their country".

He needs medication, and soon. I don't know why you think we should ignore him and hope he goes away. Hes not a troll, hes a dangerous person.


Because trolls want attention, attention Leads to news stories. That get posted on slate and again show up as a repeat and we have the same argument all over again.
 
2013-12-26 08:05:36 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


actok.org
 
2013-12-26 08:06:06 PM  
Sgt.Zim:
I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. In my experience, the line between believing that your way is right and everyone else is going to hell, while still being a genuinely nice person, and actually being a raving nutbag, is razor-thin and easily crossed.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.


no, you raise a good point - there ARE a lot of raving lunatics in the non-denominational christian camp.  you've got dominionists, prosperity gospel theologians, scam artists, pro-lifers, militants...plenty of crazy there if you scratch the surface.  so I can't blame you for being cautious about evangelicals.  I guess what i'm saying is that we have to be careful not to automatically assume that everyone in the evangelical camp is one of the bad ones.  that would make us as bad as Hagee.  we should take the time to sort out the ones worth saving from the lunatics and encourage the good ones to keep trucking.
 
2013-12-26 08:06:08 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: Christians are on their way to being in the same boat as Muslims because they keep allowing these ass clowns to speak for them. My girlfriend has made progress in her life, she no longer believes in Santa or the Easter Bunny but she is still hanging on to the whole god thing, and yet she is still a decent person. Its frustrating, like having a puppy that is almosthouse trained.

You seem like a really fun person. Not at all like your judgmental asshatery gets in the way of your everyday life, one can imagine it pops up from time to time.

Oh to be a fly on that wall...


We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for,  I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.
 
2013-12-26 08:06:23 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


The word "atheist" is not capitalized. Lack of belief is not a belief. And you sound like you learned these terms in Sunday School in like third grade and haven't been able to progress or mature in your thinking since then. But please, tell me more about my lack of belief and what I should be called. I've never believed in a god, ever, and I'm 44 years old. Now tell me more about what I am, because you are so smart.
 
2013-12-26 08:06:24 PM  

Your Hind Brain: Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.


I think you're misconstruing definition 1 there: whether they have a definite 'belief' is non physical, but it's still a point of contention for them.

They don't need to 'prove' that their god exists, they just need to believe it. Agnostics are simply open to the idea that there may be something beyond our comprehension/something undiscovered/something out there/etc.

True believers don't need to be able to 'prove it'. I think your definition of agnostic is broke.
 
2013-12-26 08:07:02 PM  
Best answer:

Here there comes a practical question which has often troubled me. Whenever I go into
a foreign country or a prison or any similar place they always ask me what is my religion.
I never know whether I should say "Agnostic" or whether I should say "Atheist". It is a
very difficult question and I daresay that some of you have been troubled by it. As a
philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought
to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive
argument by which one prove that there is not a God.
On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the
street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove
that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the
Homeric gods.
None of us would seriously consider the possibility that all the gods of homer really
exist, and yet if you were to set to work to give a logical demonstration that Zeus, Hera,
Poseidon, and the rest of them did not exist you would find it an awful job. You could
not get such proof.
Therefore, in regard to the Olympic gods, speaking to a purely philosophical audience, I
would say that I am an Agnostic. But speaking popularly, I think that all of us would say
in regard to those gods that we were Atheists. In regard to the Christian God, I should, I
think, take exactly the same line.


Am I An Atheist Or An Agnostic?
A Plea For Tolerance In The Face Of New Dogmas
 
2013-12-26 08:08:13 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]


Please DO NOT Connect My faith to Hitler. We finally got a good Pope don't fark it up.
 
2013-12-26 08:08:16 PM  
Hitler was a Neo-Pagan.
 
2013-12-26 08:08:37 PM  
Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.
 
2013-12-26 08:10:02 PM  

thisisarepeat: We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for, I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.


Not to be an asshole (though I really am one), but some churches actually do good with their money beyond funding anti-abortion ads.

I can't say for sure your SO is a member of one of those, but there are some catholic churches in my immediate area that do great things with feeding and clothing and even temporarily housing the poor.

S'why even though I'm not a believer anymore I don't mind donating to them when they come around the Holiday Season: I know they're trying to clothe (THEN feed) every homeless person in a 25 mile radius.
 
2013-12-26 08:10:14 PM  

alice_600: Darth_Lukecash: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."
[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]

Please DO NOT Connect My faith to Hitler. We finally got a good Pope don't fark it up.


Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!
 
2013-12-26 08:13:35 PM  

alice_600: Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!


Francis is pretty awesome as a pope and singular as a human being.

I just..didn't get that a megachurch somehow 'connected' RC Church to Hitler.

Stupid drunk me thought there was some paper trail or internal memo or something.

Lo and behold it's an ignorant shiatbag tossing together generalized words and ideas...

Damn normal people.
 
2013-12-26 08:14:21 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Your Hind Brain: Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.

I think you're misconstruing definition 1 there: whether they have a definite 'belief' is non physical, but it's still a point of contention for them.

They don't need to 'prove' that their god exists, they just need to believe it. Agnostics are simply open to the idea that there may be something beyond our comprehension/something undiscovered/something out there/etc.

True believers don't need to be able to 'prove it'. I think your definition of agnostic is broke.


Nope. It's not broke. When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know. That's when you proselytize and attempt to get others on the gods you claim to know about.
 
2013-12-26 08:14:52 PM  

letrole: Hitler was a Neo-Pagan.


He was also a vegetarian. Checkmate, vegans.
 
2013-12-26 08:16:03 PM  
One of the reasons I left the Church was Christians. That, and they taught me that the stories were true. Even as a kid, I was smarter. These people don't realize, almost the only parts of the Gospels that resonates with everyone, are Jesus' humanist positions. But, willful ignorance and all......
 
2013-12-26 08:16:37 PM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


What's with all the butthurt?
 
2013-12-26 08:19:56 PM  

Your Hind Brain: When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know.


pizza-casper.ch

What do you claim if you are of "gnocchi"?
 
2013-12-26 08:20:00 PM  

Your Hind Brain: Capo Del Bandito: Your Hind Brain: Belief, faith is not the same as "knowing". Or even proving.

I think you're misconstruing definition 1 there: whether they have a definite 'belief' is non physical, but it's still a point of contention for them.

They don't need to 'prove' that their god exists, they just need to believe it. Agnostics are simply open to the idea that there may be something beyond our comprehension/something undiscovered/something out there/etc.

True believers don't need to be able to 'prove it'. I think your definition of agnostic is broke.

Nope. It's not broke. When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know. That's when you proselytize and attempt to get others on the gods you claim to know about.


Huh. Interesting idea.

Will ponder that but I'm currently still see it as their 'faith' giving them the backing they believe they need.

An Agnostic is unable to prove one way or another.

A true believer has 'faith', which means nothing to us but is everything they think they need, but they outright claim a deity exists which, s'far as I see it for now, is their main differing factor. It's all ideas, not needing proof.

Dunno, you've given me something to think on when I sober up though.
 
2013-12-26 08:20:56 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: We don't talk about it, that is what fark is for, I just stop payment on the checks she writes to the church if its over $25, I'd rather the bastard at the bank get it than some farking preacher.

Not to be an asshole (though I really am one), but some churches actually do good with their money beyond funding anti-abortion ads.

I can't say for sure your SO is a member of one of those, but there are some catholic churches in my immediate area that do great things with feeding and clothing and even temporarily housing the poor.

S'why even though I'm not a believer anymore I don't mind donating to them when they come around the Holiday Season: I know they're trying to clothe (THEN feed) every homeless person in a 25 mile radius.


Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets.  I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.
 
2013-12-26 08:25:48 PM  

thisisarepeat: Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets. I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.


While I *am* a cynical misanthropic asshole who has no hope in people doing the right thing, I generally try to find proof before assuming. It can wreck your shiat assuming *every* person is the same and represents the entirety of that type of person/belief/whatever.

I'm more of a specifics/microanalyzation guy though.
 
2013-12-26 08:27:36 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Your Hind Brain: When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know.

[pizza-casper.ch image 680x464]

What do you claim if you are of "gnocchi"?


You like to eat the hell out of it and you will be reincarnated in about 4 hours to 16.223 trillion years.
 
2013-12-26 08:30:46 PM  

smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches.


So did Ayatollah Khomeini.
 
2013-12-26 08:30:50 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: thisisarepeat: Some do, more attach strings to their "charity", even more buy hookers, blow and private jets. I would rather give the money directly to the homeless/battered women shelters than filter it through the sticky fingers of some dickhead that tells me that i'm going to hell while he is balls deep in a tranny hooker.

/Preacher: preech-er, noun. A thieving ass clown that is balls deep in a tranny hooker and never pays taxes despite the fact that they use cops to direct traffic outside their monstrosity every Sunday.

While I *am* a cynical misanthropic asshole who has no hope in people doing the right thing, I generally try to find proof before assuming. It can wreck your shiat assuming *every* person is the same and represents the entirety of that type of person/belief/whatever.

I'm more of a specifics/microanalyzation guy though.


Yeah, I used to only hire people with neck tattoos to walk my dog, because they do it for free if you have a key cut for them...
 
2013-12-26 08:31:03 PM  

Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.


Hence the second quote.

He basically admits he used the Catholic formula to get a blind following. But yeah, he was a complete politicians. I think he firmly believed that the Jews were evil though, and thought he was doing the Lords work killing them.


alice_600: Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!


Nah, it's okay. Hitler was a prick and was not a true representative of most Catholics.

Actually, most religious people can be really cool, because they want to just let people live and let live.
 
hej
2013-12-26 08:31:44 PM  
I vote we declare December 25th to be Pastmas, a day on which we decorate our houses with colorful lights, pitch a cut down pine tree in our living room and decorate it in a like fashion, bestow gifts upon on friends and family, and take the day off work.

And - most importantly - give praise and thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for which that day is so named.
 
2013-12-26 08:32:38 PM  
Capo Del Bandito:

I'm more of a specifics/microanalyzation guy though.

Very good of you. Hopefully, you don't use faith in your metrics and analysis while at work. Some co-workers get a little bent about it.
 
2013-12-26 08:32:39 PM  
 
2013-12-26 08:36:08 PM  
Someone needs to send him a D&D game and Anthrax album, stat.
 
2013-12-26 08:36:14 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Weaver95: Darth_Lukecash:

Hitler was Roman Catholic.

Hitler also lied a lot.  i'm sure that to a bunch of catholics, he pretended to be catholic.  and to the protestants, he pretended to be protestant.  the jews - he always hated.  it was rather the whole point of his operation after all.  so I don't think it really matters what gods the man said he followed...because he built his entire career on lies and misdirection.

Hence the second quote.

He basically admits he used the Catholic formula to get a blind following. But yeah, he was a complete politicians. I think he firmly believed that the Jews were evil though, and thought he was doing the Lords work killing them.


alice_600: Sorry I jumped the gun sorry!

Nah, it's okay. Hitler was a prick and was not a true representative of most Catholics.

Actually, most religious people can be really cool, because they want to just let people live and let live.


Like Thomas More!
 
2013-12-26 08:36:25 PM  

Your Hind Brain: Very good of you. Hopefully, you don't use faith in your metrics and analysis while at work. Some co-workers get a little bent about it.


My wallpaper at work is "Axial Tilt: The Reason for the Season".

That's got some people at work bent, but not for my ability at work...

Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage


Thanks! i needed my daily dose of 'mygodihateyouhumanity' in electronic form.
 
2013-12-26 08:36:30 PM  
"Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed.

First they tell us how bad illegal aliens are, next they're encouraging us to become one.  Is a little consistency, other than being an industrial-grade douchebag at all times, too much to ask for?
 
2013-12-26 08:38:33 PM  

you are a puppet: I just say "Allah hu Akbar". So far nobody has been cool with it.


...this guy has the ears of most politicians, from McCain to Obama. He's the Ayatollah of America.  He just isn't "officially" the Ayatollah of America.

/Prever the Ayatollah of Rock-'n'-Rolla myself.
 
2013-12-26 08:41:14 PM  

IlGreven: /Prever the Ayatollah of Rock-'n'-Rolla myself.


"Greetings from The Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland!"
 
2013-12-26 08:43:06 PM  

Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23 
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage


Weren't the Jewish were protected before the Spanish Inquisition by the Roman Catholic church?  If I remember in history class in college. You didn't really care Spain was this combination Christian, Jewish, Muslim nation where everyone was multicultural and when they weren't working they played chess.
 
2013-12-26 08:44:28 PM  
I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.
 
2013-12-26 08:44:28 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher


We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.
 
2013-12-26 08:45:49 PM  

alice_600: Bucky Katt: Capo Del Bandito: Bucky Katt: brilett: Now he'll never get to be Pope!

Hagee thinks Catholics were responsible for the Holocaust.

I...my brain..what?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028926. ph p
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/23/nation/na-mccain23 
http://www.catholicleague.org/john-hagee-veteran-bigot/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all &a ddress=132x5074317
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1977987/posts
http://www.alternet.org/story/84386/mccain%27s_preacher_pal_calls_ca th olic_church_the_%27great_whore%27_--_where%27s_the_outrage

Weren't the Jewish were protected before the Spanish Inquisition by the Roman Catholic church?  If I remember in history class in college. You didn't really care Spain was this combination Christian, Jewish, Muslim nation where everyone was multicultural and when they weren't working they played chess.


Yeah that sounds awesome!  Now they are too busy capitulating to muslim terrorists demands.
 
2013-12-26 08:47:05 PM  

limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher

We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.



Hagee scares the crap out of me BECAUSE I'm a Christian. But the atheists keep feeding the beast......
 
2013-12-26 08:47:22 PM  

Shirley Ujest: Someone needs to send him a D&D game and Anthrax album, stat.


I was looking for D&D games, and it's a toss-up between these two:

i.ebayimg.com

olddungeonmaster.files.wordpress.com

Any suggestions?
 
2013-12-26 08:48:34 PM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.



I'd say great trolling but it wasn't *that* great.

And on the off chance you're not trolling: we can always go the Pope Francis route and peacefully coexist and benefit each other.
 
2013-12-26 08:50:06 PM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.


I don't have a "side," dumbass. I'm an atheist. I don't subscribe to any belief system. I live my own life. You're the one who seems to want a war. I don't give a shiat what stupid gods or fairies you believe in unless you try to pass laws that affect me based on them.

Otherwise, shut up, idiot.
 
2013-12-26 08:50:46 PM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.

When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.

The problem is that by not speaking up against the nuts on your own side you make people like Hagee sound like they are practicing self defense.... which might in fact be true. This was a big mistake.

The pendulum is swinging, and some of the saner atheists are starting to realize they have a problem on their hands.

The smart move would be to engage believers and show atheists want a diverse and pluralistic society. The problem is, this simply is not true, at least according to the most prominent spokespeople for atheism.

I feel sorry for you but this rumble of redneck reactionary craziness is going to get worse before it gets better. Hubris works that way.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you.


Except that atheism is not a belief, its not a club, its not a religion.  Therefore we can simply call those people insane, and move on.  Christians or any participant in any religion have to defend their nuts or have people believe that they are the same as aforementioned nuts.
 
2013-12-26 08:50:59 PM  
it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.
 
2013-12-26 08:52:26 PM  

Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.


Like every person who steps up and creates a new subsection of Judeo-Christian beliefs?
 
2013-12-26 08:54:15 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Like every person who steps up and creates a new subsection of Judeo-Christian beliefs?


How many riffs can people create off one medium-sized book?
 
2013-12-26 08:54:46 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: IlGreven: /Prever the Ayatollah of Rock-'n'-Rolla myself.

"Greetings from The Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland!"


Greetings I am the Doctor and this is my companion, It's a Cat named "Puggles" who likes to eat chocolate covered cat nip. What's a Happenin' my brotha?
 
2013-12-26 08:56:46 PM  

Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.


Well they have a church now.
 
2013-12-26 08:57:28 PM  

jigger: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

So is Hagee going to hold Catholic mass on Christmas? I mean, look at the word.


Nah, it's back to hating Catholics again thanks to the new commie pope.
 
2013-12-26 08:57:58 PM  

alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.


Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.
 
2013-12-26 08:58:44 PM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....


So, once again, you "know". Please tell me how you "know" that those who don't have your belief, faith, ideology aren't self-aware?
 
2013-12-26 09:00:06 PM  

alice_600: Greetings I am the Doctor and this is my companion, It's a Cat named "Puggles" who likes to eat chocolate covered cat nip. What's a Happenin' my brotha?


Either i'm too young or too drunk to get that reference. I apologize either way.
 
2013-12-26 09:00:39 PM  
Apparently not much has missed his fat mouth..That fat bastard hasn't missed a meal in a long time, unlike the old ladies he cons from their last red cent the the promise of "100 fold reward" of
his prosperity gospel crap..
 
2013-12-26 09:03:21 PM  

Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.


So, we're meeting at your place, then?
 
2013-12-26 09:04:41 PM  

part of the problem: limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher

We'll he is still a little more to the sane side than say Jim Jones, so he has that going for him.


Hagee scares the crap out of me BECAUSE I'm a Christian. But the atheists keep feeding the beast......


Aw, that's nice. I'm grateful to you for downsplaining that to me.
I always wondered what the origins of evil asswipes like Hagee was, and now , you've explained it!
We non-believers are responsible!
Wouldn't you just know it?
And to think that by my failure to believe in the proper diety, I have create dand fostered these awful people!
It's all my fault!
I'm so ashamed!
 
2013-12-26 09:06:00 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

So, we're meeting at your place, then?


Hell naw. Guests weird me out.
 
2013-12-26 09:09:38 PM  

Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.


Atheists They have a church that takes donations sings songs and gives lectures. I like my old church its the same ones my ancestors worshipped in and helped built.  I kinda feel a connection to them during Mass.
 
2013-12-26 09:09:41 PM  
"And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?
 
2013-12-26 09:10:22 PM  

Confabulat: Danger Avoid Death: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

So, we're meeting at your place, then?

Hell naw. Guests weird me out.


I'll bring chicken wings and beer...?
 
2013-12-26 09:10:41 PM  
Wow, what an idiot.
 
2013-12-26 09:11:45 PM  

Phoenix87ta: smunns: My wife and I had lunch in Sacramento with Pastor Hagee, his wife and son. Genuine people. He practices what he preaches. Just an FYI.

You mean he's a frothing asshat in real life too?


I hear General Pinochet was a charming host, and mixed a killer martini.
 
2013-12-26 09:13:51 PM  

0x1a4: "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?


You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.
 
2013-12-26 09:17:42 PM  

alice_600: You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.


No, I am being a dick and making fun of John Hagee and those who claim America was founded on Christianity.  Also those who can't comprehend the difference between what they believe and a free society
 
2013-12-26 09:18:04 PM  
At first I thought it a rehash/repeat of old news, but no, he's almost repeating himself again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75b1FMzGTB8
 
2013-12-26 09:19:01 PM  
Religions are easy to make fun of when they're dumb.
 
2013-12-26 09:19:30 PM  

strife: At first I thought it was a rehash/repeat of old news, but no, he's almost repeating himself again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75b1FMzGTB8


I've used up my FTFM's for the year.
 
2013-12-26 09:19:40 PM  

alice_600: Confabulat: Danger Avoid Death: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

So, we're meeting at your place, then?

Hell naw. Guests weird me out.

I'll bring chicken wings and beer...?


Well that's different.
 
2013-12-26 09:24:07 PM  
fusillade762:

[actok.org image 850x821]

This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).
 
2013-12-26 09:25:23 PM  

alice_600: Confabulat: alice_600: Confabulat: it's amusing to me that some people think there are "spokespeople for atheism" like it's some kind of damn club.

Well they have a church now.

Who are "they?" I imagine some people love going to church and would want to recreate that experience, good for them I guess.

I'm not one of them.

Atheists They have a church that takes donations sings songs and gives lectures. I like my old church its the same ones my ancestors worshipped in and helped built.  I kinda feel a connection to them during Mass.


Some atheists did. That does not mean all atheists support or even like the idea.

I'm really so sick of this. One atheist or group of atheists does something, and Christians are all "SEE! It's a religion!"

But when one Christian person or group does something stupid? "This is not representative of true Christian beliefs."
 
2013-12-26 09:28:25 PM  
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex act.
 
2013-12-26 09:30:04 PM  

Weaver95: heh.  well played sir, well played!


Thanks, that's pretty much my only job here.
 
2013-12-26 09:30:26 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex act.


Both still involve a lot of jerking off, though.
 
2013-12-26 09:38:53 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Your Hind Brain: When you are of "gnosis" you claim you know.

[pizza-casper.ch image 680x464]

What do you claim if you are of "gnocchi"?


s3-2.kiva.org

Duh.
 
2013-12-26 09:39:41 PM  

Your Hind Brain: Religions are easy to make fun of when because they're dumb.

 
2013-12-26 09:49:48 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Your Hind Brain: Religions are easy to make fun of when because they're dumb.


What happens when they're smart? Smarty? Because you're smarty?

/I'll say "when" when I damn well please
 
2013-12-26 10:07:15 PM  
I served this country for 7 years. Im an Atheist. I would like to see John Hagee try and make me leave the country. This is a great example of why churches should lose their tax exempt status.
 
2013-12-26 10:10:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole


I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole
 
2013-12-26 10:24:52 PM  

kaseyfarksdaladies: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole

I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole


Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

/a substantial portion of those who claim to follow his teachings, on the other hand...
 
2013-12-26 10:26:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Wow, what an idiot.


Amen
 
2013-12-26 10:37:55 PM  

part of the problem: When people like Pete Singer, et all call for the active persecution of Christians (and lets not kid ourselves that's exactly what a lot of atheists do want) they sound exactly like Hagee, just on the other team.


Tell us the worst thing you've heard Singer say publicly about persecuting Christians and we can tell you if you're indulging in false equivalence fallacies or not.
 
2013-12-26 10:39:37 PM  

Frederick: fusillade762:

[actok.org image 850x821]

This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).


Agnosticism relates to knowledge, not belief. Belief is a binary. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't actively believe in some kind of deity, no matter what reason you give for that lack, you're still an atheist. The absence of belief in a deity is the sole criterion. Anything else you add is superfluous. So if you don't know whether god exists or not, and choose to believe anyways, then you are an agnostic theist. If you don't know whether god exists or not and you don't assert belief in god, no matter what else you do or say, you're an agnostic atheist. There's no actual middle ground. The most wishy-washy person possible is still either saying they believe in a god, or not saying it. "I don't know if I believe in god" is just a passive, avoidant and convoluted way to say that you lack belief.
 
2013-12-26 10:45:17 PM  

Jument: I'm agnostic


Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.
 
2013-12-26 10:46:49 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:

Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

When he threw the last money changer out of the temple he turned to him and winked and said "Hey, got two tens for a five?"
 
2013-12-26 10:48:58 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: kaseyfarksdaladies: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Christ what an asshole

I read that two ways:

1. Christ, what an asshole
2. Christ: what an asshole

Christ wasn't an asshole from what I've learned over the years

/a substantial portion of those who claim to follow his teachings, on the other hand...


"I've got nothing against Jesus, it's his fan club I can't stand."

/see also: dalailamachristandchristians.jpg


Hickory-smoked: Tell us the worst thing you've heard Singer say publicly about persecuting Christians and we can tell you if you're indulging in false equivalence fallacies or not.


Well, as a libby-lib-lib who had a class with Singer, and read several of his other works in other classes, I can tell you the man is a prick. Among other things, he argues that bestiality should be legal, athletes should be allowed to take steroids, killing a newborn baby is not the same as killing an adult, and the severely disabled are not entitled to the same rights as a healthy person.

His mother has Alzheimer's, and he has publicly said that basically, if it were up to him, he would euthanize her.
 
2013-12-26 10:52:59 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [i204.photobucket.com image 425x297]


I'm starting to think there's really only one crazy old white guy with glasses and a giant forehead.  There is just no farking way it can be the same thing every damn time.
 
2013-12-26 11:16:06 PM  

KiltedBastich: Frederick: fusillade762:

[actok.org image 850x821]

This chart does not allow for simply agnostic (does not know if god exists).

Agnosticism relates to knowledge, not belief. Belief is a binary. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't actively believe in some kind of deity, no matter what reason you give for that lack, you're still an atheist. The absence of belief in a deity is the sole criterion. Anything else you add is superfluous. So if you don't know whether god exists or not, and choose to believe anyways, then you are an agnostic theist. If you don't know whether god exists or not and you don't assert belief in god, no matter what else you do or say, you're an agnostic atheist. There's no actual middle ground. The most wishy-washy person possible is still either saying they believe in a god, or not saying it. "I don't know if I believe in god" is just a passive, avoidant and convoluted way to say that you lack belief.


I disagree.  Your premise is flawed with the assumption that belief is binary, thats akin to saying racism is binary -there are degrees.  If I am asked "do you believe in god?"  I answer "sometimes" or even "I dont know".  If I say "I dont know" you have no right to then define it for me.

What color is my shirt?  Upon your answer I will tell you what you "really" mean.....

The problem is; some people cant let "I dont know" stand undefined.  Im fine with you thinking or believing what you wish, you are not affording me the same courtesy.

Ghastly: Jument: I'm agnostic

Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.


I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?
 
2013-12-26 11:27:42 PM  
It's not complicated to me. I'm an atheist. No capital letters. I didn't join a group to become one, nor did I leave a religion. I was raised by an atheist and fairy tales about god were not part of my childhood upbringing. I was really shocked in 3rd grade when I discovered the crazy shiat my fellow students believed. At least Santa gave some evidence of his existence.

I'm not a narrowly defined term. I'm a guy that doesn't believe in a god, never has, and is not interested in finding out more. Religion is a non-entity in my life. The only time it comes up is on internet threads; otherwise, I never think about it at all. I don't go through my day letting my atheist principles guide me; I just go do the shiat i need to do.

People who feel the need to narrowly define what others think only reveal their own biases and their demands that others believe in the ways they pretend they believe, usually to make them feel better about themselves.
 
2013-12-26 11:32:14 PM  
Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.
 
2013-12-26 11:38:48 PM  

Ghastly: Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.


I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion, and we learned that agnostic was a perfectly acceptable term for someone who did not have an opinion in terms of the existence of god(s). There's a difference between "I don't know," and "I don't know and I don't care."
 
2013-12-26 11:46:01 PM  
grumpfuff:

I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion,

So can you recommend a good cream for deep fryer splatter burns?
 
2013-12-26 11:49:12 PM  

Ghastly: grumpfuff:

I dual majored in philosophy, specializing in metaphysics, and comparative religion,

So can you recommend a good cream for deep fryer splatter burns?


Ha. On Facebook, I am (or was? haven't logged on to it in a year or so), I was in a group called something like "I majored in things I enjoy, so I'll be living in a box for the rest of my life."

Though I am prepping to go for my masters/doctorate, and two schools have expressed interest in hiring me as a professor, so I guess that's something.
 
2013-12-26 11:52:58 PM  

grumpfuff: Ghastly: grumpfuff:


Meant to add, I am particularly proud of this, I have never worked a fast food or restaurant job in my life(unless you count bartending).
 
2013-12-27 12:15:49 AM  
Atheists like Christmas just fine. They only dislike you.

"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas.

Hah, just like Easter. Hey dummy, Eostre.
 
2013-12-27 12:21:50 AM  

part of the problem: I know atheists are not self aware enough to understand this but....
Your raving loons and the opposite teams raving loons are cut from the same cloth.


While there's more similarity that many atheists would like to think, there's also more difference than you're suggesting.

In short, the Social Dominance Orientation scale developed by Jim Sidanius tends uncorrelated to religiosity -- meaning that the asshole atheists and asshole fundies are likely both high-SDO types of assholes. However, the RWA scale developed by Altemeyer is only weakly correlated to SDO, but highly correlated to both a whole bunch of what I'll call "traits generally considered undesirable" and to religiosity (such that there's about four of the overall population's standard deviations between the atheist and fundamentalist sub-samples).

If you really want, I can start giving you pointers into the sociological research literature.
 
2013-12-27 12:23:35 AM  
And now: Deep Thoughts, by John Hagee.

"Maybe in order to understand Christmas, we have to look at the word itself. Basically, it's made up of two separate words - 'Chri' and 'stmas.' What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is Christmas."
 
2013-12-27 12:28:01 AM  
We need more lions.
 
2013-12-27 12:31:58 AM  

fusillade762: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.

[actok.org image 850x821]


You'll note that ignostics aren't on that diagram, because, well, they understand that the diagram's pointless - the diagram includes assumptions that cannot be clearly defined.

Farker Soze: Atheists like Christmas just fine. They only dislike you.

"Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas.

Hah, just like Easter. Hey dummy, Eostre.


Someone should ask him about the etymology of Yule.
 
2013-12-27 12:32:24 AM  
Hmmm, gotta love it with Christians start to dabble in astrology:
www.sacornerstone.org


Also, why yes, yes I would...
www.sacornerstone.org
 
2013-12-27 12:40:13 AM  
The atheist / agnostic argument is endless. The main problem is the modern bastardization of the word agnostic to mean some kind of religious fence sitter. Agnostic/gnostic is about knowledge of a subject ... any subject. Religion was never automatically associated with the words. It is now because of the evolution of the language but that does not invalidate the proper uses of the words agnostic and atheist.

In the end it doesn't matter. In my experience, the vast majority of atheists, here on fark and out in the world, do not make positive claims on the non-existence of deities and are not interested in joining any kind of atheist based clubs/churches/political groups/etc.

Again, I am not claiming the above is always true. It is just a good starting point.

As to telling atheists that they must make illogical claims of non-existence or they are agnostics - you can go fark yourself. We will call ourselves what we like based on the definitions of the word we choose. I choose the classic definition of atheist, from the greek attheos - 'a' without and 'theos' diety. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without gods. No claims of non-existence needed.

The religious like to force incorrect labels on us in a transparent attempt to discredit our position by dishonestly painting our position as one that requires some kind of faith. To me this is just another of the constant reminders of how dishonest religious people are and how pathetic their so-called morals are.

If you want to argue against our position then take the time to actually learn what it is ... your strawmen do not represent us.
 
2013-12-27 12:51:23 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: John Hagee is a great preacher


cdn.videogum.com
 
2013-12-27 12:51:40 AM  
When I woke up this morning, I was just an atheist.

I don't believe that there is an afterlife, a disembodied spirit/deity who created/controlled the planet, and I see organized religion as a way to brainwash like-minds and keep them subjugated

And now I read this thread and find out that I'm *not* an atheist, but rather a confused agnostic who belongs in a particular niche?  News to me.

So, according to these comments, I am actually....

Wait...what kind of atheist/agnostic am I supposed to be again?  I lost track in the confusion and don't want to be labeled a splitter.

i21.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-27 12:53:24 AM  

FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.


If anyone tells him that Halloween was originally a pagan celebration of the Celtic god Samhain and not a holiday about Ween and Anthony Michael Hall, he might have a heart attack.
 
2013-12-27 12:59:12 AM  

Weaver95: Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on historyreality at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions


FTFY
 
2013-12-27 01:00:12 AM  

Farking Canuck: The atheist / agnostic argument is endless. The main problem is the modern bastardization of the word agnostic to mean some kind of religious fence sitter. Agnostic/gnostic is about knowledge of a subject ... any subject. Religion was never automatically associated with the words. It is now because of the evolution of the language but that does not invalidate the proper uses of the words agnostic and atheist.

In the end it doesn't matter. In my experience, the vast majority of atheists, here on fark and out in the world, do not make positive claims on the non-existence of deities and are not interested in joining any kind of atheist based clubs/churches/political groups/etc.

Again, I am not claiming the above is always true. It is just a good starting point.

As to telling atheists that they must make illogical claims of non-existence or they are agnostics - you can go fark yourself. We will call ourselves what we like based on the definitions of the word we choose. I choose the classic definition of atheist, from the greek attheos - 'a' without and 'theos' diety. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without gods. No claims of non-existence needed.

The religious like to force incorrect labels on us in a transparent attempt to discredit our position by dishonestly painting our position as one that requires some kind of faith. To me this is just another of the constant reminders of how dishonest religious people are and how pathetic their so-called morals are.

If you want to argue against our position then take the time to actually learn what it is ... your strawmen do not represent us.


this is absolutely true. The religious like to argue with the atheists they make up in their own minds, not actual real-life ones.
 
2013-12-27 01:01:21 AM  

The Big H: Hmmm, gotta love it with Christians start to dabble in astrology:
[www.sacornerstone.org image 699x438]


Also, why yes, yes I would...
[www.sacornerstone.org image 699x438]


M-O-O-N, that spells bullshiat.
 
2013-12-27 01:05:46 AM  
*picks up the Walkman brand MP3 player I bought 3 years ago*  Well, I'm not an atheist.  And I think you're supposed to use headphones..
 
2013-12-27 01:14:35 AM  
If you think John Hagee is bad / blamy you should check out his son Matthew.  Now there's a piece of work for you.  Screeching voice.  Know's absolutely NOTHING (barely made it out of his family's own HS, and could not complete a year at Oral Robert's U).  Likes to bully others.  Serious nutball!
 
2013-12-27 01:14:50 AM  
grumpfuff:
Ha. On Facebook, I am (or was? haven't logged on to it in a year or so), I was in a group called something like "I majored in things I enjoy, so I'll be living in a box for the rest of my life."

First time I went to school in the 80s it was for a career. Studied Audio Visual Production.
When I went back to school in the 90s it was for myself so I studied anthropology.
 
2013-12-27 01:17:56 AM  

Sgt Otter: Olympic Trolling Judge: Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.

He was the one who has said the Jews deserved their persecution (presumably including the Holocaust) for not following God closely enough, and then he praised the Holocaust for finally getting the Jews out of Europe and back in to the Holy Land.


????????????????
Never heard of this.  I have personal knowledge that he is great friends with our Jewish community here in San Antonio.  Ive seen him donate huge sums of money to them as well.

/terrible person, horrible excuse for a "Christian".
 
2013-12-27 01:18:39 AM  

Ghastly: Jument: I'm agnostic

Are you an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, or an apatheist, or just one of those people who like to make up a definition for agnostic that makes them feel superior to everyone else.


I've never heard the term "apatheist" before but that sounds like me. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there was some kind of supreme being but if he/she/it exists I doubt he/she/it is anything like we have ever imagined (or could imagine) and I really don't care much beyond that. To sum it up in one word: "unknowable". The universe is an amazing, fascinating place. That's good enough for me.
 
2013-12-27 01:20:11 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: FlashHarry: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

bless his little heart. he probably also thinks the democratic people's republic of korea is a democratic republic.

If anyone tells him that Halloween was originally a pagan celebration of the Celtic god Samhain and not a holiday about Ween and Anthony Michael Hall, he might have a heart attack.


He'll probably have one anyway. He looks like a beast who sweats when he eats and gets short of breath answering the front door.

blogs.kansas.com

Whar Communion bacon, whar?!



/Good thing he's been fleecing rubes for 20+ years to pay for his new heart(s)
 
2013-12-27 01:20:51 AM  

Ghastly: grumpfuff:
Ha. On Facebook, I am (or was? haven't logged on to it in a year or so), I was in a group called something like "I majored in things I enjoy, so I'll be living in a box for the rest of my life."

First time I went to school in the 80s it was for a career. Studied Audio Visual Production.
When I went back to school in the 90s it was for myself so I studied anthropology.


Yea, I'm in something of that department. I'm debating going back for my masters, but I'm also debating going back to get a BS in either anthropology or computer science.
 
2013-12-27 01:21:37 AM  

sigdiamond2000: take your Walkman and stuff it into your ears

Forget the dated reference...what does that even mean in the first place?


He means, "if you are an atheist, and my saying 'Merry Christmas' offends you, stick your Walkman [earbuds] into your ears, so that you can no longer hear me."

Yes, it's the mythical atheist who bristles at the words 'Merry Christmas' but that's his point.
 
2013-12-27 01:36:22 AM  

Ghastly: Frederick:

I'd say you are the one making up definitions.  Agnostic simply means "to not know".  Why do you feel the need to categorize it?

Because I majored in anthropology with a minor in religious study and know how to properly use the word?

It's like someone asking you what you drive and you say "oh I drive a blue" when blue is simply a modifier to the type of vehicle you drive.

The "don't know, don't care" definitions hipsters like to use for agnostic is actually called apatheism. Which considering that most people have never even heard of the word would make you think hipsters would much more prefer to call themselves. But then again it doesn't carry the same sense of self righteous smugness most people who misuse agnostic like to enjoy.


I doubt you very much.

Apatheism refers to a disinterest or indifference in theism.  Look up apathy.  (and while youre at it look up Apatheism in the merriam-webster dictionary and get back to me on that definition, scholar)

Agnostic simply means to not know, which is how I define myself.

You obviously have an agenda and wish to project negative opinions through definitions you've fabricated onto "hipsters".

I dont know if god exists.  I dont know if I believe in god.  I am agnostic.  Deal with it.

Emotionally, I see wondrous things and like the idea of god being responsible.
Conversely I see horrendous things and disgust at the idea of a god being responsible.
Logically I see no need for a god like hand in creation of matter or energy.
Logically I cannot reconcile a beginning or ending to matter and energy.

I do not know what to believe.  YMMV.

/I do believe I will find out eventually
 
2013-12-27 01:38:56 AM  

Frederick: I do believe I will find out eventually


You sound like a believer to me. I have no reason to think I'll ever find out, as I'll be dead.
 
2013-12-27 01:43:39 AM  

muck1969: FTA -   Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

I abhor the misconception of majority rule as the absolute directive in America.  There are times when a majority vote does set the direction, but there are times when politicians must act against the will of the people to do what is right for the minority, notably when it comes to safety and equality.


The NSA agrees with you.
 
2013-12-27 01:49:17 AM  
Frederick:

I dont know if god exists.  I dont know if I believe in god.  I am agnostic.  Deal with it.

How horrible it must be to not know what you're own mind is thinking. So basically you are an agnostic vegetable. How weird.
 
2013-12-27 02:01:10 AM  

Litterbox: Sgt Otter: Olympic Trolling Judge: Hagee?  Isn't he the one who wants us to start a nuclear war with Iran so Jesus can come back, or something like that?

Compared to that, getting pissy about "Happy Holidays" (HOLY days, you peckerhead) is nothing.

He was the one who has said the Jews deserved their persecution (presumably including the Holocaust) for not following God closely enough, and then he praised the Holocaust for finally getting the Jews out of Europe and back in to the Holy Land.

????????????????
Never heard of this.  I have personal knowledge that he is great friends with our Jewish community here in San Antonio.  Ive seen him donate huge sums of money to them as well.

/terrible person, horrible excuse for a "Christian".


John Hagee on Judaism.   It's wiki, but everything is cited.  It's also what FINALLY got McCain to kick him off his campaign bus.

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-12-27 02:04:50 AM  

noitsnot: Mad_Radhu: Sin_City_Superhero: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be in danger in any way if someone says 'Merry Christmas' around you."

But all hell is gonna break loose if someone says "Happy Holidays"?

You may laugh, but I saw the War on Christmas unfold before my very eyes last night:



Why is that cute girl holding hands with Frankenstein?


I thinks gremlins dude.
 
2013-12-27 02:19:37 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: cameroncrazy1984: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: You know, it's a rarity that a thread bashing Libs gets greenlit.

When a thread bashing Atheists gets the greenlight(and there are plenty of whacky as fark Atheists out there) I'll put it on my calendar.

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best

No, you just don't understand the definition of either word.

Im sure most have heard the only argument that to truly be an Atheist you'd have to have looked everywhere in the universe to determine no god exists.

You are actually correct , because an Atheist only needs to BELIEVE that no god exists. But if they're honest they would need to admit to believing that with no clue whether they're right or wrong.

As far as religious people being agnostic, unless they've experienced divine intervention personally that could be correct.


There are several things other than god that I lack any evidence suggesting they actually exist, does that mean I BELIEVE in the non-existence of them?

Do you BELIEVE in bigfoot or do you BELIEVE in 'not-bigfoot'? Because it's all about what you BELIEVE and has nothing to do with what you have actual evidence for, right? It's easy to BELIEVE, how about you give THINKING a shot?

If you've tackled reading the bible, try this on, it should be a refreshingly short read...http://godisimaginary.com/
 
2013-12-27 03:03:24 AM  
I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.
 
2013-12-27 03:17:47 AM  
grumpfuff:  Well, as a libby-lib-lib who had a class with Singer, and read several of his other works in other classes, I can tell you the man is a prick. Among other things, he argues that bestiality should be legal, athletes should be allowed to take steroids, killing a newborn baby is not the same as killing an adult, and the severely disabled are not entitled to the same rights as a healthy person.

His mother has Alzheimer's, and he has publicly said that basically, if it were up to him, he would euthanize her.


So...he has Asperger's?  Anyway, I don't see why the composer of "This Land is My Land, This Land is Your Land" has any relevance to the topic.
 
2013-12-27 03:46:48 AM  
"Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"


"The majority." Not the Constitution, not the ideals of the Founding Fathers enshrined in the Constitution.

Why does John Hagee hate America?
 
2013-12-27 03:53:59 AM  

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


And a Happy Saturnalia to you.
 
2013-12-27 03:59:16 AM  

Weaver95: keylock71: "Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday," he said. "Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas."

Wow...

To be fair, I think he's playing semantics. Christmas is a Christian holiday, but solstice and Yule are pagan. The fact that they all happen to fall on/about the same day is something Christians like to pretend doesn't happen. Most evangelicals have a weak grasp on history at best and really have no interest in learning information at contradicts their preconceptions.

That said I am really hoping this preacher was taken out of contex. That article makes him sound like a raving hate filled lunatic.


This guy ain't a preacher - he's an out-and-out child molester.  When this crime against nature ain't dreaming about shirtless 14 year old boys, he's dreaming about shirtless 13 year old boys.  Hey, real Christians, when are you planning on eliminating this disgrace from the planet?  Otherwise, you deserve to plummet into the abyss along with this useless excuse for a human being.  If there really were a god, his "sermon" would have been punctuated with a lightning bolt through his brainless cranium.
 
2013-12-27 04:00:23 AM  
FTFA: "Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

Support for same-sex marriage is now polling at 53%. Looks like a majority to me.
 
2013-12-27 04:19:55 AM  

orbister: FTFA: "Planes are leaving every hour on the hour. Get on one!" Hagee exclaimed. "It's time for the majority to rule this nation!"

Support for same-sex marriage is now polling at 53%. Looks like a majority to me.


Yeah, I dont think he really thought that through.  The majority aint what it used to be.
 
2013-12-27 04:25:32 AM  

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


I'm an atheist and I have no problem being wished a merry Christmas. I may wish you a happy Kwanzaa in return (particularly if you're white), but it's meant more to be funny (because I'm really white) than offensive. I have yet to meet a non-Christian who gets offended by someone wishing them a merry Christmas. The only thing that gets my knickers in a twist during the holidays is religious displays on public property, and that's only because of the rancor it causes and the potential for lawsuits and douchebaggery. That shiat can get very expensive for a local government very quickly.
 
2013-12-27 04:47:31 AM  

Iplaybass: I say merry Christmas. I couldn't care less if it offends people. They can cram it with walnuts if they have a problem.


And people don't have a problem.  But if you say "Happy Holidays" they burst a blood vessel.
 
2013-12-27 04:48:35 AM  

Frederick: Agnostic simply means to not know, which is how I define myself.


And thus, you are not claiming to know.  That's the top of that chart.

"Do you know if there's a god" and "Do you believe there's a god" are two different questions.  That's what people are trying to say to you.  Belief is independent of knowledge in this case.

You don't know if there's a god? Fine, you're an agnostic.  But that's an entirely different question from whether you believe there is a god.

So, basically:

I don't know, but I believe God exists: Agnostic Theist.
I don't know, and I don't believe God exists: Agnostic Atheist
I know God exists (and thus believe he does): Gnostic Theist
I know God doesn't exist (and thus don't believe he does): Gnostic Theist.

That is what the definitions are.  You claim you don't know, thus you're an agnostic.  But again, belief is a different question.

/And worship is a third question that doesn't get asked nearly as much, but should.
//Even if I knew a God existed, there's still the question of whether I would follow such a God.
 
2013-12-27 05:39:26 AM  

IlGreven: "Do you know if there's a god" and "Do you believe there's a god"

I know God exists (and thus believe he does): Gnostic Theist
I know God doesn't exist (and thus don't believe he does): Gnostic Theist (sic).


How is it possible for one to know god exists?  Without that answer, I contend the premise is flawed.  The premise only works if the ability to know god exists, is accepted as a given.

Essentially it reads as:

I believe, and I believe: theist
I dont believe and I dont believe: atheist

/do you accept it as given that knowledge of god's existence is possible?
//it sounds to me like the very definitions of knowledge and belief are being homogenized
///dont take this as arguing so much as discussing
 
2013-12-27 07:11:39 AM  

Confabulat: Eh, an ignorant angry Christian. What a shocker. Is there any other kind?


My wife, but she's one of the few I've ever met.
 
2013-12-27 07:56:37 AM  

Jument: I'm agnostic and I love Christmas. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.


I agree with you 100%. May I respectfully suggest a more "year-round" version?

Protip: Christmas is a nice tradition. Celebrate it, or not, however you like. If you don't like it, don't be an asshole about it.
 
2013-12-27 08:00:54 AM  

alice_600: 0x1a4: "And this is the United States of America that was founded by Christians on Christian principles according to the word of God"
1
1And the Lord did command - Goest thou across the waters.  Worry not about the heathens that livest there. 2Givest them the gift of disease and drive them from their homes. 3Createst thou a ruling class decided into three parts. Legislativist, Judicialist and Kings.  4Pretendeth thy subjects participate in this ruling class while driving out all that blasphemy my word.
2
1Arrangeth with thy cronies to control the monetary system 2The poor shall payeth the taxes, blessed are the ruling class as they shall be exemptedeth from their share 3Lieth to the poor, so that they try to buy their way into my kingdom.  We all know only the rich shall spend eternity by my side (snickereth).  4Spend their money on thy Leer Jets.  For Leer Jets bring you closer to me and my love. 5The truly devine may also have a helicopter for visiting thy comcubine in the tropical islands.
3
1Blessed are the smug, for they truly are my children.  2Fear that which is different from thyself.  Blessed are those without compassion.  Only those that twist my words for their own gain shall be rewarded. 3It is easier for a poor man to buy a needle factory than to joineth me in my kingdom.
4
1It is truly an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he does with a woman.  2Verily I say that Brosef before Hoeseth.  3Do not lie or spiketh another mans drink, allow him to get his as well. 4Am I righteth?

You're being a dick and making fun of my religion.


Turn the other cheek.
 
2013-12-27 08:29:08 AM  

Weaver95: Nabb1: Weaver95: And I'm not kidding about the whole out of contex thing....I'm really hoping he isn't as nutballs as he sounded in that write up. It would not be good to have the megachurches decide pagans needed to be purged.

Getting paranoid again? Speaking of which, you never filled me in on what sort of paganism you practice and what your beliefs entail.

You don't think hagee sounded a bit like a raving lunatic? That article sure made him sound nutso.


Hagee was the first one who said that Katrina was punishment for homosexuals. Pat Robertson picked up the Idiot Ball and ran with it after that.
 
2013-12-27 08:30:37 AM  

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Y

/any honest Atheist would have to admit they're Agnostic at best


Oh look, it's that guy that doesn't know the difference between the questions, "Do you believe in a deity?" and "Are you sure?"  Here come the very simple explanations and diagrams that will likely have no effect.
 
2013-12-27 08:43:43 AM  

IlGreven: Frederick: Agnostic simply means to not know, which is how I define myself.

And thus, you are not claiming to know.  That's the top of that chart.

"Do you know if there's a god" and "Do you believe there's a god" are two different questions.  That's what people are trying to say to you.  Belief is independent of knowledge in this case.

You don't know if there's a god? Fine, you're an agnostic.  But that's an entirely different question from whether you believe there is a god.

So, basically:

I don't know, but I believe God exists: Agnostic Theist.
I don't know, and I don't believe God exists: Agnostic Atheist
I know God exists (and thus believe he does): Gnostic Theist
I know God doesn't exist (and thus don't believe he does): Gnostic Theist.

That is what the definitions are.  You claim you don't know, thus you're an agnostic.  But again, belief is a different question.

/And worship is a third question that doesn't get asked nearly as much, but should.
//Even if I knew a God existed, there's still the question of whether I would follow such a God.


Nothing personal, and in general, what part of "don't know, don't know" is so hard to understand?

It does not mean you don't care or that you haven't studied the problem, or that you don't understand some part of the equation.  It means you acknowledge the question probably can't be answered and you refuse to commit to a belief based on this incomplete knowledge.  It doesn't mean you just give up or that you won't look at new or changing evidence.

If the question itself is theoretically incapable of being answered, you CAN'T know.  And if you "believe" in a conclusion one way or the other, however weakly you claim that belief to be, it doesn't matter that you say "I don't know" about part of it. Your are still committing to belief without 100% proof, even though proof is your standard.

It's important to note that inability to currently prove or disprove is NOT the same as "unknowable".   Absured analogies fail because of this distinction.  If we believe science will one day answer some of the biggest questions, then why not also these ridiculous analogies?

The real questions are unique due to their implications and can't be simplified accurately via reductions to the absurd, which take on a life of their own as a kind of "atheist dogma".

However much we think there's a good chance via leading scientific evidence, there's still a leap being made in arriving at that "belief".  99% is still 1% short, and 1 is greater than zero.  That doesn't mean agnostics are claiming "god in the gaps", it means YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE so don't pretend you're basing your beliefs ONLY on fact.

Many will even admit this, but claim it's only a matter of time before the gap is made smaller ...though not eliminated because, again, that's IMPOSSIBLE by definition of the question.  Do they realize that this is not so different from what religious people believe about their own future vindication, however silly it seems (which is very silly)?

This is where self-described atheists run afoul of anyone who informs them that their belief in no god (unknowable) is similar to an unproven belief in god.   Yet agnostics who dutifully stick to scientific requirements and know the equations are not complete are considered fence-sitting double-secret theists who hate science and reason!

All of that is why people say "as bad as Christians".  It's not because of history of oppression in government or population statistics.  It's because of the reasoning involved and the fact that unprovable conclusions are being drawn (and for many, there is a similar intolerant attitude about it).

Personally, I think most of these terms are so polluted they need to be scrapped in favor of new classifications...if classifications are needed at all.   Agnostic, atheist....why do we even need these categories other than to simplify "none of the above", mostly for religious people?  It doesn't seem to be working very well.
 
2013-12-27 08:53:46 AM  
 
2013-12-27 08:57:57 AM  
Circle jerk, now in internet message board form!
 
2013-12-27 08:59:47 AM  

Mugato: Circle jerk, now in internet message board form!


I think the jerking is going on in the Amy Adams thread on the Entertainment tab.
 
2013-12-27 09:02:13 AM  

Alphax: Mugato: Circle jerk, now in internet message board form!

I think the jerking is going on in the Amy Adams thread on the Entertainment tab.


*click*
 
2013-12-27 09:50:03 AM  

Errk: Haters gonna hate....

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I still have one of those in a box somewhere. And lots of cassette tapes. I even have some vinyl records and something to play them on.

/darn kids and their newfangled mp4 players
//off my lawn!
 
2013-12-27 10:44:24 AM  
The war on Christmas: so pernicious, it went back in time and changed history! Just look at all the terrible things liberals time traveled to make up!
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Look at how the woman is taller than Santa. Feminist propaganda. Plus everyone knows Santa doesn't have a sister. Revisionist history being shoved down our throats!

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Those look like Mexican flowers, and everyone knows Mexicans didn't exist before some time in the 90s. Fat chance getting us to believe real Americans would send cards like this!

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You mean Red Wishes for Communism, clearly.

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Holiday Happiness. And this girls is wearing pants. No mention of Christ or Christmas. Obvious code for godless lesbianism.

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Holiday wishes? I notice this Santa is dressed in brown in front of a brown wall which is an unChristian color and that one round ball looks entirely too much like a small basketball to me. Plus he is holding up a train which makes me think of making the trains run on time which is a fascist thing so I'm saying Obummer created this one.

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Says it all, atheists want to light Christmas on fire and watch it all burn.

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What compliments? Like complementary slave labor in your FEMA Camp???

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I mean wtf is happening here. No one would really make cards like this.  This heathen card promotes drunkeness, either by women or gays, can't tell who the pink is for.

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This card involves brown, smoking, and a phallic, pole-like object. Need I say more.

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A pink house??? Obviously fake. We didn't have homos back then. Notice the lack of Jesus.

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People didn't have dongs back then either! Everyone was sealed off plastic, like Ken dolls. Stop pushing your time traveling dong agenda, homogays! Plus you went and made the card purple, like the head of a lust engorged dong. And you thought normal people wouldn't notice your perverted insolence.

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Do I even have to say anything about the homosexual agenda just COVERING this one.

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You sickos.

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And most disgusting. While it does slyly mention Christmas, this card not only promotes creepy looking birds growing extra creepy looking limbs to use as hands...but also charity to the poor. GROSS! Yes, clearly the War on Christmas is a terrible, terrible thing.
 
2013-12-27 10:59:09 AM  
He is absolutely right Christmas is a Christian holiday and needs to be removed from the Federal Holiday calendar.
 
2013-12-27 11:07:03 AM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: When I woke up this morning, I was just an atheist.

I don't believe that there is an afterlife, a disembodied spirit/deity who created/controlled the planet, and I see organized religion as a way to brainwash like-minds and keep them subjugated

And now I read this thread and find out that I'm *not* an atheist, but rather a confused agnostic who belongs in a particular niche?  News to me.

So, according to these comments, I am actually....

Wait...what kind of atheist/agnostic am I supposed to be again?  I lost track in the confusion and don't want to be labeled a splitter.

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Relax, happens all the time.
I used to think I was a cowboy, but, nope, just another lesbian.
 
2013-12-27 11:08:35 AM  
ambercat:


TY!
I remember some of those.
 
2013-12-27 11:24:44 AM  

Frederick: I disagree. Your premise is flawed with the assumption that belief is binary, thats akin to saying racism is binary -there are degrees. If I am asked "do you believe in god?" I answer "sometimes" or even "I dont know". If I say "I dont know" you have no right to then define it for me.

What color is my shirt? Upon your answer I will tell you what you "really" mean.....

The problem is; some people cant let "I dont know" stand undefined. Im fine with you thinking or believing what you wish, you are not affording me the same courtesy.


Then your problem is with basic logic, not with me. You don't get to turn a binary set into something else just because it doesn't suit your personal specialness. Atheism requires only absence of belief. Not active disbelief, just absence of belief. That is what the word means. "A-" (without) "theist" (belief in god).

When you say "I don't know", you fail to demonstrate a positive assertion of belief, and therefore demonstrate an absence of belief. Thus, you are an atheist. It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You don't get to disagree with this unless you can somehow demonstrate how there can be a flaw in basic set logic.

That you are irrationally prejudiced about the term atheist and want to be able to have some other kind of label to assuage your discomfort with the term is utterly irrelevant. You're an atheist unless you say "I believe in god". If you do say "I believe in god", you're a theist. That is the core question. The rest is just details that have no bearing on the central point.
 
2013-12-27 11:25:30 AM  
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You forgot to mention that this woman has her hands in her own muff.
 
2013-12-27 11:32:46 AM  

Corn_Fed: grumpfuff:  Well, as a libby-lib-lib who had a class with Singer, and read several of his other works in other classes, I can tell you the man is a prick. Among other things, he argues that bestiality should be legal, athletes should be allowed to take steroids, killing a newborn baby is not the same as killing an adult, and the severely disabled are not entitled to the same rights as a healthy person.

His mother has Alzheimer's, and he has publicly said that basically, if it were up to him, he would euthanize her.

So...he has Asperger's?  Anyway, I don't see why the composer of "This Land is My Land, This Land is Your Land" has any relevance to the topic.


Peter Singer is an ethicist who, for some reason I can't figure out, has lately been held up as the new atheist spokesperson. I guess the "A lot of atheists don't like Dawkins" finally got through?
 
2013-12-27 11:33:29 AM  

Frederick: How is it possible for one to know god exists? Without that answer, I contend the premise is flawed. The premise only works if the ability to know god exists, is accepted as a given.

Essentially it reads as:

I believe, and I believe: theist
I dont believe and I dont believe: atheist


No. This distinction is based on assertion of knowledge, not actual knowledge. Logically knowledge of God is functionally impossible - but that's the position of a rationalist in the first place.

Most gnostic theists are spiritual and mystical in orientation, and they reject that idea as well. They feel they have inner knowledge of the truth of God's existence that is just as valid as any logical or scientific evidence. And so they claim knowledge, and they do not accept the grounds of logic or science by which someone else may claim that what they have is not knowledge.

Gnostic atheists are exceedingly rare, and usually are the result of ideological commitments to antitheism or antireligion. They usually try to avoid the logical analysis of their positions, because they are motivated by emotion as much as logic, and they usually know and dislike the fact that logic does not support their claims.

Even the big names of atheism like Dawkins and Hitchens and so on are all technically agnostic atheists, because they all recognize it is impossible to prove absolutely the absence of God - they just consider the possibility so unlikely as to be not worth any serious consideration in the face of the existing evidence.
 
2013-12-27 12:54:06 PM  

KiltedBastich: Even the big names of atheism like Dawkins and Hitchens and so on are all technically agnostic atheists


Yeah, they all were also pompous assholes. I mean, I'm agnostic only because I can't prove who or what created the universe but I'm not a dick and write books about it
 
2013-12-27 01:58:05 PM  

ambercat: The war on Christmas: so pernicious, it went back in time and changed history! Just look at all the terrible things liberals time traveled to make up!
[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 401x500]
Look at how the woman is taller than Santa. Feminist propaganda. Plus everyone knows Santa doesn't have a sister. Revisionist history being shoved down our throats!

[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 407x500]
Those look like Mexican flowers, and everyone knows Mexicans didn't exist before some time in the 90s. Fat chance getting us to believe real Americans would send cards like this!

[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 500x420]
You mean Red Wishes for Communism, clearly.

[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 375x860]
Holiday Happiness. And this girls is wearing pants. No mention of Christ or Christmas. Obvious code for godless lesbianism.

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Holiday wishes? I notice this Santa is dressed in brown in front of a brown wall which is an unChristian color and that one round ball looks entirely too much like a small basketball to me. Plus he is holding up a train which makes me think of making the trains run on time which is a fascist thing so I'm saying Obummer created this one.

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Says it all, atheists want to light Christmas on fire and watch it all burn.

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What compliments? Like complementary slave labor in your FEMA Camp???

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I mean wtf is happening here. No one would really make cards like this.  This heathen card promotes drunkeness, either by women or gays, can't tell who the pink is for.

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This card involves brown, smoking, and a phallic, pole-like object. Need I say more.

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A pink house??? Obviously fake. We didn't have homos back then. Notice the lack of Jesus.

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People didn't have dongs ...


www.strangecosmos.com

THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2013-12-27 06:17:28 PM  
hey gaiz wats this thread?
 
2013-12-27 06:22:19 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: /I'll miss you all!  remember me fondly!


can i come with you? people in the future are incomprehensibly stupid

/knowing is half the battle
 
2013-12-27 06:45:16 PM  
abb3w(favorite: Lost Cause) : If you really want, I can start giving you pointers into the sociological research literature.

meh

KiltedBastiche(favorite: IB) : your problem is with basic logic

lelz, maybe you should give him a card test...?

:D

it's been a while since we've updated the old roster, anyone else wanna join? tell ya what we'll just take the dumbest thing said in this thread as an automatic approval...  and the winrar is:

Confabulat: I don't subscribe to any belief system.

A winner is you!

we can just assume all of your other posts are just as intelligent  ;)

who wants some religion?
 
2013-12-27 07:36:50 PM  

Mugato: KiltedBastich: Even the big names of atheism like Dawkins and Hitchens and so on are all technically agnostic atheists

Yeah, they all were also pompous assholes. I mean, I'm agnostic only because I can't prove who or what created the universe but I'm not a dick and write books about it


Let me know when they start condemning the religious to death and torture as heretics. Until then, I am not going to get on their case for tactics that are generally still more polite than their opponents.
 
2013-12-27 08:08:24 PM  

Mugato: KiltedBastich: Even the big names of atheism like Dawkins and Hitchens and so on are all technically agnostic atheists

Yeah, they all were also pompous assholes. I mean, I'm agnostic only because I can't prove who or what created the universe but I'm not a dick and write books about it


Ever stop to wonder why people feel compelled to "write books about it?"  (Other than the mad cash, of course.)
 
2013-12-27 09:25:41 PM  
lordjupiter:  However much we think there's a good chance via leading scientific evidence, there's still a leap being made in arriving at that "belief". 99% is still 1% short, and 1 is greater than zero. That doesn't mean agnostics are claiming "god in the gaps", it means YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE so don't pretend you're basing your beliefs ONLY on fact.

You are the poster child for Duning-Kruger. Stating completely incorrect things with caps and bold as if you are actually educating people.

Here is a news flash: Contrary to what your entire point is based around, science is not based on 100% sure positions. It is always assumed that we are never completely correct; that we never have all the details exactly right. But this does not stop us from taking a position on what we believe is correct. Or more precisely, what the evidence tells us what is most likely correct.

It is like evolution. There are likely many small details that are incorrect or a little bit off. There is a slim chance that the core of it is actually wrong. But there is such a massive amount of evidence supporting the theory that I have taken the position that it is correct. I am not a fence sitter on the subject. I firmly believe it is correct and never expect it will be proven wrong. But I acknowledge that it is possible. The weight of evidence is so far in favor of the theory of evolution being the correct explanation of the development of life on earth that my confidence level in this position is very high,

For any non-trivial subject, you can not take positions based on 100% knowledge - it simply is not available. If you personally choose to use logic and reason to decide what you believe then it demands that you choose your positions based on an analysis of all the evidence available and go with what the weight of evidence dictates. Calling this 'faith' is dishonest and is disingenuous to people who actually do base their lives on faith. These are two different ways of doing things ... you belittle the latter when you try to force it on the former.

In the case of god, the current weight of evidence is extraordinarily in favor of the "god does not exist" position. So atheists, using basic logic and reason, take up the position that gods, unicorns, big foot, etc. do not exist. This is based on an analysis of the evidence available. It does not claim absolute knowledge nor does it exclude the possibility of re-evaluation if new evidence is presented.

Redefining the term 'atheist' to only include the most extreme and rare case where a person claims absolute surety of the non-existence of gods is just a dishonest technique used by religious people to demonize atheists.

We choose to use the original definition of atheist from the greek 'atheos' which translates to "without gods". I have no gods therefore I am an atheist.

Don't be a dick and insist that we must use your definition of the word.
 
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