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(The Raw Story)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-oman Catholic) says that the Pope is "entitled to his opinion," but that he really doesn't know enough about capitalism to criticize it   (rawstory.com) divider line 70
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2013-12-26 02:25:22 PM
11 votes:
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2013-12-26 08:01:43 PM
6 votes:
Where's the Dalek Pope when you need him? Excommunicate!
2013-12-26 02:42:24 PM
6 votes:
Look at that: a genuine Cafeteria Catholic

/don't see those everyday
2013-12-26 06:36:10 PM
5 votes:
"Look, Jesus is entitled to his opinion, but he has no right to ask me or any of these other sellers to leave the temple, I've been selling pigeons here for years, I've worked hard to establish a loyal customer base here. That's what a free market means, we get to use this temple just like everybody else. Plus, the guy is from Nazareth, they haven't had a real barter economy in Nazareth, their markets are all thieves selling stolen goods, that's where the phrase "Nazareth market" comes from, you know. But we're respectable businessmen, so he can't ask us to leave. But what I do love about this Jesus guy, even though he sounds kinda liberal, is that he's triggering the exact kind of dialogue we ought to be having."
2013-12-26 02:14:10 PM
5 votes:
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"I wouldn't worry about it. Vatican City's not a very big religious town."
2013-12-26 06:13:16 PM
4 votes:
And Paul Ryan looked back and said to the Lord, "during the hardest times there are only one set of footprints, where were you."  Supply-side Jesus turned to Ryan and said, "during the hardest times, I was the bootstraps you pulled yourself up with.  Now lets get our crunch on, P90X!"
2013-12-26 02:17:28 PM
4 votes:
"The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?
2013-12-26 07:11:16 PM
3 votes:
The Freakanomics guys interviewed Pope Francis' economic advisor this week, who spoke about Francis' views and his recent statement on economics which has got the usual waterheads all in a tizzy. I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

And way to be condescending to the Pope, supposedly catholic guy. If Paul Ryan wanted to be any douchier he'd have to sleep in a kiddy pool filled with vinegar.
2013-12-26 05:51:48 PM
3 votes:
Yet another pearl of wisdom from Vice President Dudebro.
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2013-12-26 03:20:38 PM
3 votes:

FlashHarry: serious question: has trickle-down theory ever worked in practice? i know that niall ferguson likes to cite chile, but is this valid?


It's worked pretty well for the people who invented it.
2013-12-27 01:06:26 AM
2 votes:

whidbey: WhyteRaven74: Someone really needs to straight out ask Ryan what he thinks of the the parable of the sheep and the goats, the one that has the "I was hungry and you fed me..." and "For surely I say unto you, as you did it unto the least of my brothers, you did it unto me".

I'm sure he'd say that millions of Americans give to charity every year and that it isn't government's job to feed, clothe or house anyone. Bonus if he makes the "fish for a lifetime" speech.


Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life. This is Republican wisdom.
2013-12-26 11:24:05 PM
2 votes:

Headso: Paul Ryan is as likable as a bag of smashed assholes and he's easy to make fun of, not the kind of person you want speaking for your cause so naturally I'm glad the GOP has him out in front.


That is an insult to bags of smashed assholes.
2013-12-26 07:25:42 PM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


No, no.

The party IS the religion.
2013-12-26 07:22:11 PM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


meh - he isnt a real Catholic. He only has 3 kids. 
So either his wife isnt getting any or they have left the church and are using birth control.

/HEY - I was told that catholics didnt use BC.
2013-12-26 07:13:30 PM
2 votes:

mongbiohazard: I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - almost any conceivable topic than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.


FTFY


/I'm sure Ryan knows more about being a dick
2013-12-26 06:01:48 PM
2 votes:
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2013-12-26 05:58:41 PM
2 votes:
Did he really just call a Jesuit uneducated?
2013-12-26 05:53:54 PM
2 votes:
Must be fun to try and shoehorn the doctrine of Ayn Rand into the Catholic faith.
2013-12-26 04:56:54 PM
2 votes:

doyner: whidbey: Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

Really, dude?  We've discussed this. Beware of the regionalist attitude that only sharpens the devide you find so distasteful.


Pfft. Like you've never trolled a troll before.

Oh and Kiss mah grits.
2013-12-26 04:45:48 PM
2 votes:

whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?

Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

I'm just trying to figure out what it whom you are biatching about.

Of course you are. Meanwhile another reply. Makes the exchange appear relevant.


Merry Christmas to you, too, then. May your vagina be free of sand in the coming new year.
2013-12-26 03:37:13 PM
2 votes:
Would you believe that there are some people who think Ryan isn't far ENOUGH to the right??!?!??!?!?!

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2013-12-26 03:35:39 PM
2 votes:

whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?


Who, the Pope?
2013-12-26 03:01:52 PM
2 votes:

unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.


Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976
2013-12-26 02:33:25 PM
2 votes:

Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.


Wouldn't have worked.

Some other asshole would take her place.
2013-12-26 02:32:04 PM
2 votes:
Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.
2013-12-26 02:11:45 PM
2 votes:
so, party before country... and now, party before religion?
2013-12-27 10:34:26 AM
1 votes:

red5ish: Does the GOP have a check list of voting blocks that they want to alienate?
If you self-identify as a Republican but are NOT a wealthy older white Protestant male then you are probably on that list and might want to re-think your political affiliation.


You forgot heterosexual.
2013-12-27 06:07:37 AM
1 votes:
Full disclosure - I DESPISE the Catholic Church. With a passion born of a thousand exploding suns. The child abuse scandal alone makes me want to burn down churches, but... despite myself, I genuinely like this pope.

That being said, I'd love it if the pope went full-troll and started excommunicating Catholic senators and congressmen.

/ oh please, please, PLEASE start with this Ryan farkwit. The lulz would be sooo delicious.
2013-12-27 01:42:35 AM
1 votes:
Does the GOP have a check list of voting blocks that they want to alienate?
If you self-identify as a Republican but are NOT a wealthy older white Protestant male then you are probably on that list and might want to re-think your political affiliation.
2013-12-27 12:21:51 AM
1 votes:
No surprise here.

Before he was a Catholic priest, he lived in an Argentina that was a dictatorship which strongly supported and was in turn supported by the Catholic Church.

After becoming a priest, he was an officer in the dictatorship known as the Catholic church.  When Argentina moved away from dictatorship to a form of capitalism, it reduced support for the Catholic church since they had been strong supporters of the dictators

Now, as Pope, he is one of the most powerful dictators on earth.   The countries that have the strongest capitalist systems and the most robust middle class are the ones where the Catholic church is losing influence.   Not only isn't he equipped by his background to fully understand capitalism, he recognizes it as a threat to his dictatorship.   Of course he is going to speak out against it.
2013-12-26 11:14:48 PM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan is as likable as a bag of smashed assholes and he's easy to make fun of, not the kind of person you want speaking for your cause so naturally I'm glad the GOP has him out in front.
2013-12-26 11:10:14 PM
1 votes:
So a guy from the party that wants to keep religion in government doesn't understand his own religion? Makes sense to me, he doesn't understand the constitution either.
2013-12-26 09:31:12 PM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: whidbey: Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.

Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.

I'd settle for a nun approaching the floor of congress with a ruler and whacking his knuckles with it several times.


It would be a comical visual, watching his speech falter as he notices this figure in black making its way closer and closer to the podium. Fark: over and over again.
2013-12-26 09:27:22 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.

Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.


I'd settle for a nun approaching the floor of congress with a ruler and whacking his knuckles with it several times.
2013-12-26 09:21:34 PM
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.


Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.
2013-12-26 09:17:48 PM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan is the 80s movie douchebag villain incarnate.
Sweep the leg. Attempt to date rape the girl. All that jive.

To do evil is his religion.
2013-12-26 09:12:41 PM
1 votes:
I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.
2013-12-26 08:46:36 PM
1 votes:
The gospel according to the GOP?

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2013-12-26 07:56:03 PM
1 votes:

suckfest: "William Dohonue, the president of the Catholic League who is frequently presented on TV as the voice of American Catholics, offered a tepid defense of the pope against Limbaugh's criticism."

Who decided Dohonue is the voice of American Catholics?  78.2 million Catholic Americans (Wikipedia) are faithfully represented by this dude?  I figured he was Fox News coorespondent.


Anyone can set themselves up as anything; if you book enough tv appearances, you're the go-to guy. For example, I'm the world'd foremost expert on the worldwide Muppet conspiracy. So far no tv appearances, but some day....
2013-12-26 07:26:54 PM
1 votes:
grumpfuff:
/I'm sure Ryan knows more about being a dick


Knows... he could teach classes!
2013-12-26 07:08:50 PM
1 votes:

Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.


...I am loving that Republican idealogues who are ostensibly Christian are rejecting the words of the Pope in favor of the words of a Russian atheist.
2013-12-26 07:07:39 PM
1 votes:
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2013-12-26 06:56:52 PM
1 votes:
Praise Mammon.
2013-12-26 06:53:45 PM
1 votes:
lol, Ryan just let God know which side he's on.  Good for you, Ryan.  Don't let eternal damnation stand between you and corporate politics!

/got to admire a man that stares into the abyss and decides he might as well live it up in the here and now.
2013-12-26 06:50:59 PM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.


Old Testament
New Testament

You must be a Republican, to be so ignorant about the Bible.
2013-12-26 06:47:58 PM
1 votes:

HEY, PAUL!


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2013-12-26 06:43:58 PM
1 votes:
Weaver95:
Once you understand that the GOP doesn't actually follow the Christian god their policies start to make sense. The god they follow is vicious, greedy and despises the weak. He cares only for power, and nothing for the sick or poor. The republicans took the biblical Jesus and remade him into a god that better suited their goals.

I've always believed there's a very powerful reason why Republicans are so obsessed with maintaining a steady supply of both virgins and babies.

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2013-12-26 06:11:15 PM
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: Must be fun to try and shoehorn the doctrine of Ayn Rand into the Catholic faith.


It's like trying to shove a full-grown cactus up your rectum.
2013-12-26 06:06:32 PM
1 votes:
We must speak of man's rights. Man has the right to live. He has the right to bodily integrity and to the means necessary for the proper development of life, particularly food, clothing, shelter, medical care, rest, and, finally, the necessary social services. In consequence, he has the right to be looked after in the event of illhealth; disability stemming from his work; widowhood; old age; enforced unemployment; or whenever through no fault of his own he is deprived of the means of livelihood.

-Pope John XXIII

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_xxiii/encyclicals/documents/h f_ j-xxiii_enc_11041963_pacem_en.html

The right to medical care? The right to food? What sort of hippie socialist talks that way?
2013-12-26 05:54:32 PM
1 votes:
Dammit. I knew I should have bought popcorn futures.
2013-12-26 05:51:31 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.

Wouldn't have worked.

Some other asshole would take her place.


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Forgot the pic, whidbey
2013-12-26 05:42:14 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.


Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.
2013-12-26 05:41:29 PM
1 votes:
So its okay to be Catholic and disagree about things like social justice and the death penalty?

What other Church doctrines can I completely disregard and still be considered Catholic?

/ex-Catholic.
2013-12-26 04:52:08 PM
1 votes:
Wasn't it just a few days ago that Ryan was going to be the hope of the GOP?
2013-12-26 04:41:15 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

This was ever in doubt?


Some people still fail to grasp that party is religion.
2013-12-26 04:29:25 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?

Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

I'm just trying to figure out what it whom you are biatching about.


Of course you are. Meanwhile another reply. Makes the exchange appear relevant.
2013-12-26 04:23:44 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


This was ever in doubt?
2013-12-26 03:45:11 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i mean, keynesian theory has worked in practice - just witness the three-decade post WWII boom. but is there an equivalent example for the other side?


Nope. Iceland, in fact, is a smoldering example of it not working. They've been undoing the damage since the 2008 crash by going back to Keynesian economics and they've recovered faster than any other country.
2013-12-26 03:41:34 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: right - but has it ever been a "rising tide that lifts all boats" as it has been sold to the american people over the past 30 years?


Speaking as a 42 year member of the American Lower-Middle Class, I'm going to say, "No." : )
2013-12-26 03:11:15 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.

Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976


And after 14 years of a privatized pension system they undid all that and seem to be doing much better now. So I think we can say as far as retirement savings goes, they tried it and found out it sucked.
2013-12-26 03:08:58 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.

Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976


Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.
2013-12-26 02:51:04 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: Catholic Republican lawmakers are rattled by Pope Francis, whose recent comments have shaken up assumptions about their church and its relationship to their political party.

There's your problem, Republicans.  Leave your farking religion out of politics.  I think the founding fathers that you like to stroke yourselves to so much offered some guidance on that notion.
2013-12-26 02:50:42 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


I'm constantly being told by Randroids that we don't have a true free enterprise system either.
2013-12-26 02:42:34 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.


Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.
2013-12-26 02:39:39 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: abb3w: keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

If anything, the Argentinians most likely learned the finer points of Crony Capitalism from the United States...

Seems like the Pope has a much better grasp of Capitalism than Ryan does (providing Ryan actually believes the bullshiat that falls out of his mouth).


Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.  They fully deregulated and let market forces dictate.  Today, they have 20% unemployment with 50% of the population below the poverty line.  That is precisely Ryan's prescription for the USA.  The upside?  The rich have become the super-rich, and the super-rich have become the ultra-rich.
2013-12-26 02:36:41 PM
1 votes:

RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?


He's something far worse... An ideologue.
2013-12-26 02:29:38 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


This sounds remarkably like what people say when defending communism, that it hasn't been applied in its true form. Is Paul Ryan a communist?
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2013-12-26 02:24:59 PM
1 votes:
Of course Paul Ryan has tried to claim his following of Ayn Rand is nothing but Urban legend.  Which of course is a huge lie.
2013-12-26 02:24:35 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

(Also, it was Toomey who said pope Frankie was "entitled to his opinion", but that's a minor detail.)
2013-12-26 02:21:01 PM
1 votes:
Here's a criticism:

Paul Ryan is a farking social conservative dipshiat. A useful idiot for corporatism.
 
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