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(The Raw Story)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-oman Catholic) says that the Pope is "entitled to his opinion," but that he really doesn't know enough about capitalism to criticize it   (rawstory.com) divider line 230
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2013-12-27 01:06:26 AM

whidbey: WhyteRaven74: Someone really needs to straight out ask Ryan what he thinks of the the parable of the sheep and the goats, the one that has the "I was hungry and you fed me..." and "For surely I say unto you, as you did it unto the least of my brothers, you did it unto me".

I'm sure he'd say that millions of Americans give to charity every year and that it isn't government's job to feed, clothe or house anyone. Bonus if he makes the "fish for a lifetime" speech.


Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life. This is Republican wisdom.
 
2013-12-27 01:14:13 AM

Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.


Actually, her family should've made her pay rent and not loaned her $5k.  THAT would've taught her true self-reliance.  Of course, as soon as she became famous, she said that she never relied on anyone for anything and she never spoke with her family again.

And no, she didn't pay them their $5k back.
 
2013-12-27 01:21:27 AM

The Lone Gunman: Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.

Actually, her family should've made her pay rent and not loaned her $5k.  THAT would've taught her true self-reliance.  Of course, as soon as she became famous, she said that she never relied on anyone for anything and she never spoke with her family again.

And no, she didn't pay them their $5k back.


We're all paying for it now.
 
2013-12-27 01:23:11 AM

Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.


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As a Catholic myself, I wouldn't go that far. He can still be Catholic, just not a very good one. I really hope that the Pope's change in tone for the Church as a whole is a wake-up call for Catholics - both in office and at the ballot box - to reevaluate their priorities over what to vote on.
 
2013-12-27 01:37:36 AM

Punk Guy: Where's the Dalek Pope when you need him? Excommunicate!


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2013-12-27 01:42:35 AM
Does the GOP have a check list of voting blocks that they want to alienate?
If you self-identify as a Republican but are NOT a wealthy older white Protestant male then you are probably on that list and might want to re-think your political affiliation.
 
2013-12-27 02:12:37 AM

Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.

I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.

Well, there you go. Ehrman is one of the modern players, regardless of what the fundies want to tell you.

What would you recommend? Not the milk, but the meat.



"Misinterpreting Jesus" is a good start; he does a fair job of explaining the how & why of Bible historical criticism, but also it's fairly well cited if you want to get deeper into it. "Jesus Interrupted" is also good, same reason. Once you've got any good book the cites can lead you deeper into it.
 
2013-12-27 02:13:42 AM

Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.


My guess is he becomes a Pentacostal
 
2013-12-27 02:30:41 AM
I bet if you played OMD and talked about your first pair of Eastlands with argyle socks... Oxford... OHIO!
 
2013-12-27 02:41:35 AM

Gyrfalcon: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.

I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.

Well, there you go. Ehrman is one of the modern players, regardless of what the fundies want to tell you.

What would you recommend? Not the milk, but the meat.


"Misinterpreting Jesus" is a good start; he does a fair job of explaining the how & why of Bible historical criticism, but also it's fairly well cited if you want to get deeper into it. "Jesus Interrupted" is also good, same reason. Once you've got any good book the cites can lead you deeper into it.


Thanks, I'll look into it. I'm not that religious anymore, but I still find theology fascinating, and all the history too.

cmb: I was raised Pentecostal, and it may not be too far off.
 
2013-12-27 03:19:57 AM
The more the American Right wing hates the Pope, the more I like him.

Its going to make the GOP merge with the atheist friendly Capitalist Libertarians even though the Republicans are still covered with Tea Party fleas. Although Ryan, The Pauls, Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers have already gotten that ball rolling
 
2013-12-27 04:06:47 AM

NFA: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

Ryan is a Ayn Rand follower.  Rand's Objectivism teaches that if you love God more than yourself, you are immoral.  Greed is a virtue and that if you aren't self centered you don't deserve to be loved.  She wrote a book titled the Virtue of Selfishness.  None of this is an exaggeration.

Ryan worships Ayn Rand's writings, not the bible.

Here it is in his own words.


As usual, Republicans are about as religious as a pile of dog crap.  You know how you know there's no God.  Douchebag Republicans continue to walk the earth in spite of all the mankind hating behavior they spew.  Where are all the lightning bolts, God?
 
2013-12-27 04:19:05 AM
The Pope is arguably the most influential individual in the world. Ryan would be lucky if Frankie Hats even knew who his irrelevant ass is, without having to be told. There is still a class system for the uber rich & powerful. The Pope would easily still be arguably towards the top of that food chain. And I'm guessing Francis would be even less impressed with every detail he would be told about Ryan.
 
2013-12-27 06:07:37 AM
Full disclosure - I DESPISE the Catholic Church. With a passion born of a thousand exploding suns. The child abuse scandal alone makes me want to burn down churches, but... despite myself, I genuinely like this pope.

That being said, I'd love it if the pope went full-troll and started excommunicating Catholic senators and congressmen.

/ oh please, please, PLEASE start with this Ryan farkwit. The lulz would be sooo delicious.
 
2013-12-27 06:22:37 AM
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Rep. Ryan, I think you dropped this.
 
2013-12-27 06:32:05 AM

Virulency: keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

uhhhhh what?



Ryan (Opie... and I guess you have to be a certain age to get that reference) seems to be under the illusion that the US system isn't "Crony Capitalism", but rather a "true free enterprise system".
 
2013-12-27 07:54:22 AM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


So, what you are saying is:

party, party, über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
 
2013-12-27 09:19:49 AM
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2013-12-27 09:31:34 AM
Ryan is entitled to his opinions, but he doesn't know enough about the Pope's religion to criticize it.
 
2013-12-27 09:35:12 AM
Of course he did.
 
2013-12-27 09:38:06 AM
Isn't all this *Job Creator* and Prosperity Gospel crap nothing more than Divine Right of Kings dressed up for contemporary corporate and non-monarchal capitalism?  That's always been my understanding.
 
2013-12-27 09:39:17 AM

whidbey: keylock71: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.

Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976

Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.


Kissinger and Bonzo were illuminati puppets.

/vote lizard 2014!
 
2013-12-27 09:49:18 AM
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2013-12-27 09:53:33 AM
"His economic perspective I'm not particularly enamored with, but his advocacy for the poor, his lifestyle example, his more modern outlook on social issues - I've been very impressed," said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).

I feel the same way John.  There are things about the pope I like and agree with and there are things I disagree with.  You see, I get to say things like that because I'm not Catholic.

Another Catholic lawmaker, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), said Pope Francis perhaps doesn't have enough understanding of capitalism to fully appreciate its benefits.
"The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."


I agree with you Paul Ryan, what does Pope Francis know about capitalism?  But you see, Catholics believe he actually farking speaks with God.  If you're Catholic, then you know he doesn't need to actually experience or study it or anything like that.  He can just ask God, God will tell him and the pope can then speak for God.  You know that St. Peter guy in the Bible?  The one Jesus gave the keys to Heaven who stands at the pearly gates and decides who gets in and who does not?  The pope is the successor to St. Peter.  Assuming you believe he exists, it's probably not a good idea to criticize and disagree with the guy who holds the key for you to enter heaven.
 
2013-12-27 09:54:13 AM

Harry Ovaries: Isn't all this *Job Creator* and Prosperity Gospel crap nothing more than Divine Right of Kings dressed up for contemporary corporate and non-monarchal capitalism?  That's always been my understanding.


Yeah, pretty much
 
2013-12-27 10:34:26 AM

red5ish: Does the GOP have a check list of voting blocks that they want to alienate?
If you self-identify as a Republican but are NOT a wealthy older white Protestant male then you are probably on that list and might want to re-think your political affiliation.


You forgot heterosexual.
 
2013-12-27 10:44:20 AM

HeartBurnKid: red5ish: Does the GOP have a check list of voting blocks that they want to alienate?
If you self-identify as a Republican but are NOT a wealthy older white Protestant male then you are probably on that list and might want to re-think your political affiliation.

You forgot heterosexual.


on purpose.  y'all wanna talk about caribou barbie, mygyn fyxbytch, etc, fine...  i'd fist paul ryan like a merciful, loving saviour... :)
 
2013-12-27 11:06:31 AM
Funny I feel the same way about Paul Ryan and Rand Paul.
 
2013-12-27 11:28:43 AM

Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.

I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.

Well, there you go. Ehrman is one of the modern players, regardless of what the fundies want to tell you.

What would you recommend? Not the milk, but the meat.


"Misinterpreting Jesus" is a good start; he does a fair job of explaining the how & why of Bible historical criticism, but also it's fairly well cited if you want to get deeper into it. "Jesus Interrupted" is also good, same reason. Once you've got any good book the cites can lead you deeper into it.

Thanks, I'll look into it. I'm not that religious anymore, but I still find theology fascinating, and all the history too.

cmb: I was raised Pentecostal, and it may not be too far off.


"Lost Christianities" is also pretty good. It's exactly what it sounds like, an examination of early forms of Christianity that didn't "make it", so to speak, and why they didn't.
 
2013-12-27 07:18:42 PM

grumpfuff: Abacus9: Gyrfalcon: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.

I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.

Well, there you go. Ehrman is one of the modern players, regardless of what the fundies want to tell you.

What would you recommend? Not the milk, but the meat.


"Misinterpreting Jesus" is a good start; he does a fair job of explaining the how & why of Bible historical criticism, but also it's fairly well cited if you want to get deeper into it. "Jesus Interrupted" is also good, same reason. Once you've got any good book the cites can lead you deeper into it.

Thanks, I'll look into it. I'm not that religious anymore, but I still find theology fascinating, and all the history too.

cmb: I was raised Pentecostal, and it may not be too far off.

"Lost Christianities" is also pretty good. It's exactly what it sounds like, an examination of early forms of Christianity that didn't "make it", so to speak, and why they didn't.


Sounds like the followers of James. I'm interested in early Christianity, before the Nicean Counsels and stuff.
 
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