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(The Raw Story)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-oman Catholic) says that the Pope is "entitled to his opinion," but that he really doesn't know enough about capitalism to criticize it   (rawstory.com) divider line 230
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2013-12-26 09:20:32 PM

Felgraf: Chameleon: So is Paul Ryan going to be denied communion for denying the teachings of the church, just like the Catholic politicians that went against the church regarding abortion?

No, 'cause the current pope has stated that witholding communion as 'punishment' for wrong views is abhorrent, and that communion is supposed to be about *healing*, not a cudgel to use as punishment.

(He DID kick the bishop that was pulling that shiat out of a pretty high up role, though)


Raymond Burke.

http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/faith-and-values/pope-francis-rem ov es-former-st-louis-archbishop-burke-from-congregation/article_d6c5783d -456a-54fb-b230-81cedbd39d2b.html

I liked Francis before, but when he decided to kick Burke out of that role, my man-crush for Pope Francis got even bigger.

It couldn't have happened to anyone more deserving. He was our Archbishop here in St. Louis for quite a while before Benedict decided to promote him and his idiotic tactics of trying to make a culture war issue out of everything so mundane and innocuous (like refusing to attend a hospital fundraiser just because Sheryl Crow was performing and she's pro-choice), had a large part in making me a very lapsed Catholic. I imagine there are a lot of people in St. Louis who are the same way.
 
2013-12-26 09:21:26 PM

Ed Grubermann: harleyquinnical: Darth_Lukecash: ...Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...

Such quotes are terrifying, but your point is well-taken, but aren't most religious texts susceptible to contradictions without context?

Not if they're written by an all-knowing God.


All knowing God? An all knowing God who's constantly pissed off at his creations and has to constantly kill them all? If Mankind was a science project, God wouldn't even get a passing grade.
 
2013-12-26 09:21:34 PM

Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.


Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.
 
2013-12-26 09:26:31 PM

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.

I'm calling bullshiat on that one. When was the last time they excommunicated an American politician?

I honestly don't know....but I think I would avoid putting this pope to the test. Jesuits are kind of hard cases when it comes to this sort of thing.


I'll answer this: never. Not ever has the Church excommunicated an American politician and it's not likely to happen anytime soon.
 
2013-12-26 09:27:22 PM

whidbey: Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.

Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.


I'd settle for a nun approaching the floor of congress with a ruler and whacking his knuckles with it several times.
 
2013-12-26 09:30:54 PM

whidbey: keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.T

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.

Not to turn this into a huge side-debate, but one could argue that MLK and other human rights activists didn't "act" based on the real world, but on the world they wanted to create.

I don't think that's a fair assessment.

For that matter, environmentalists and other activists could be accused of being "ideologues." The truth isn't always pretty or compatible with people's lifestyles.


It isn't that ideologues act on the world they want to create--that's the mark of an idealIST--it's the second part, that they assume everyone agrees with them, and that furthermore they and their cronies are empowered by virtue of the rightness of their vision to decide for everyone else.

King was an idealist, but he wasn't an ideologue in that he didn't assume a) that everyone agreed with him or b) that his ideal should prevail because his was the ONLY right vision. Idealists can be naive and annoying; but ideologues can be dangerous because of their belief that they have a lock on the Truth and nobody else does.
 
2013-12-26 09:31:12 PM

Weatherkiss: whidbey: Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.

Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.

I'd settle for a nun approaching the floor of congress with a ruler and whacking his knuckles with it several times.


It would be a comical visual, watching his speech falter as he notices this figure in black making its way closer and closer to the podium. Fark: over and over again.
 
2013-12-26 09:34:49 PM

Gyrfalcon: King was an idealist, but he wasn't an ideologue in that he didn't assume a) that everyone agreed with him or b) that his ideal should prevail because his was the ONLY right vision. Idealists can be naive and annoying; but ideologues can be dangerous because of their belief that they have a lock on the Truth and nobody else does.


I can't help but wonder just how fine of a line that is at times.
 
2013-12-26 09:38:24 PM

Weatherkiss: whidbey: Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.

Or an auto da fe where he has to pull a quacking duck toy around Congress.

I'd settle for a nun approaching the floor of congress with a ruler and whacking his knuckles with it several times.


Wheres Sister Mary Elephant when you need her?
 
2013-12-26 09:41:12 PM

whidbey: Gyrfalcon: King was an idealist, but he wasn't an ideologue in that he didn't assume a) that everyone agreed with him or b) that his ideal should prevail because his was the ONLY right vision. Idealists can be naive and annoying; but ideologues can be dangerous because of their belief that they have a lock on the Truth and nobody else does.

I can't help but wonder just how fine of a line that is at times.


Probably more of a mist.
 
2013-12-26 09:43:13 PM

Weatherkiss: I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.


Plant a tree in his name in Israel.

/Francis, not Ryan.
 
2013-12-26 09:44:39 PM

mongbiohazard: Serious Black: mongbiohazard: The Freakanomics guys interviewed Pope Francis' economic advisor this week, who spoke about Francis' views and his recent statement on economics which has got the usual waterheads all in a tizzy. I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

And way to be condescending to the Pope, supposedly catholic guy. If Paul Ryan wanted to be any douchier he'd have to sleep in a kiddy pool filled with vinegar.

I'd love to see that interview. Was it on their blog?


Here, I just found a link to it for you. You can read it, listen to it or read it while listening. :)


Thanks! I'll check it out tomorrow.
 
2013-12-26 09:51:28 PM
www.writtenword.com

Recommended reading.
 
2013-12-26 09:53:49 PM

Mugato: Ed Grubermann: harleyquinnical: Darth_Lukecash: ...Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...

Such quotes are terrifying, but your point is well-taken, but aren't most religious texts susceptible to contradictions without context?

Not if they're written by an all-knowing God.

All knowing God? An all knowing God who's constantly pissed off at his creations and has to constantly kill them all? If Mankind was a science project, God wouldn't even get a passing grade.


John Milton makes it sound like a really awesome sci fi movie...  I'm game for being an extra in a cosmic Science Fiction Drama.
 
2013-12-26 09:57:38 PM

fusillade762: [www.writtenword.com image 337x500]

Recommended reading.


Bart Ehrman is a brilliant scholar, and the Christian fundies should be forced to read his books.

Seriously, if you're even remotely interested in Christianity, especially early Christianity, go read some of his books. They're fascinating.
 
2013-12-26 09:58:24 PM

JosephFinn: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

As it should be.  Politics, law and party before religion.




Actually law should be paramount, followed by politics (The compromise), Party and then religion shouldn't even be a part of the equation.
 
2013-12-26 09:59:24 PM
Currently fantasizing about Paul Ryan being excommunicated. A man can dream...
 
2013-12-26 10:11:07 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: FTFA: Catholic Republican lawmakers are rattled by Pope Francis, whose recent comments have shaken up assumptions about their church and its relationship to their political party.

There's your problem, Republicans.  Leave your farking religion out of politics.  I think the founding fathers that you like to stroke yourselves to so much offered some guidance on that notion.


They are Catholic Dominionists. Politics is their religion. They believe, really believe, that God wants them to rule the world. It never occurred to them that God might put a Jesuit in charge. Part of being a Catholic Dominionist is respecting authority. So they are in quite the conundrum now.
 
2013-12-26 10:27:04 PM

unyon: keylock71: abb3w: keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

If anything, the Argentinians most likely learned the finer points of Crony Capitalism from the United States...

Seems like the Pope has a much better grasp of Capitalism than Ryan does (providing Ryan actually believes the bullshiat that falls out of his mouth).

Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.  They fully deregulated and let market forces dictate.  Today, they have 20% unemployment with 50% of the population below the poverty line.  That is precisely Ryan's prescription for the USA.  The upside?  The rich have become the super-rich, and the super-rich have become the ultra-rich.


So what about the ultra rich? Did they get tax cuts?
 
2013-12-26 10:27:34 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


more like shilling for big corporations IS their religion
 
2013-12-26 10:33:48 PM

Bucky Katt: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

more like shilling for big corporations IS their religion


Yeah but corporatism is free enterprise.

Isn't it?
 
2013-12-26 10:35:45 PM

justaguy516: unyon: keylock71: abb3w: keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

If anything, the Argentinians most likely learned the finer points of Crony Capitalism from the United States...

Seems like the Pope has a much better grasp of Capitalism than Ryan does (providing Ryan actually believes the bullshiat that falls out of his mouth).

Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.  They fully deregulated and let market forces dictate.  Today, they have 20% unemployment with 50% of the population below the poverty line.  That is precisely Ryan's prescription for the USA.  The upside?  The rich have become the super-rich, and the super-rich have become the ultra-rich.

So what about the ultra rich? Did they get tax cuts?


They do if you know what's good for you.
 
2013-12-26 10:41:51 PM

soze: Did he really just call a Jesuit uneducated?


I missed that.  Yeah, it looks like he did. Heh.
 
2013-12-26 10:55:01 PM

Nabb1: Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.

I'm calling bullshiat on that one. When was the last time they excommunicated an American politician?

I honestly don't know....but I think I would avoid putting this pope to the test. Jesuits are kind of hard cases when it comes to this sort of thing.

I'll answer this: never. Not ever has the Church excommunicated an American politician and it's not likely to happen anytime soon.


Give Pope Francis a chance.  He's blown off a lot of conventions.  If any Catholic authority would smack the pee-pee of an American politician,  it is him.
 
2013-12-26 10:55:17 PM

grumpfuff: fusillade762: [www.writtenword.com image 337x500]

Recommended reading.

Bart Ehrman is a brilliant scholar, and the Christian fundies should be forced to read his books.

Seriously, if you're even remotely interested in Christianity, especially early Christianity, go read some of his books. They're fascinating.


Reading "Jesus, Interrupted" right now. It would just kill fundamentalists if they were forced to read the Gospels not as the Holy Word of God but as stories written with specific purposes and even spin in mind. Or even to have to realize that the "story of Christmas" that we argue about every freaking year is actually a conflation of two entirely separate stories which have nothing in common and are in part mutually exclusive--except they are both nominally "about" the birth of Jesus.
 
2013-12-26 10:55:32 PM

whidbey: Bucky Katt: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

more like shilling for big corporations IS their religion

Yeah but corporatism is free enterprise.

Isn't it?


Pinochet and Friedman in Chile certainly thought so.
 
2013-12-26 10:55:33 PM

unyon: keylock71: abb3w: keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

If anything, the Argentinians most likely learned the finer points of Crony Capitalism from the United States...

Seems like the Pope has a much better grasp of Capitalism than Ryan does (providing Ryan actually believes the bullshiat that falls out of his mouth).

Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.  They fully deregulated and let market forces dictate.  Today, they have 20% unemployment with 50% of the population below the poverty line.  That is precisely Ryan's prescription for the USA.  The upside?  The rich have become the super-rich, and the super-rich have become the ultra-rich.


 tcdc2.undp.org
www.tradingeconomics.com
WAT
 
2013-12-26 11:10:14 PM
So a guy from the party that wants to keep religion in government doesn't understand his own religion? Makes sense to me, he doesn't understand the constitution either.
 
2013-12-26 11:10:53 PM

Gyrfalcon: grumpfuff: fusillade762: [www.writtenword.com image 337x500]

Recommended reading.

Bart Ehrman is a brilliant scholar, and the Christian fundies should be forced to read his books.

Seriously, if you're even remotely interested in Christianity, especially early Christianity, go read some of his books. They're fascinating.

Reading "Jesus, Interrupted" right now. It would just kill fundamentalists if they were forced to read the Gospels not as the Holy Word of God but as stories written with specific purposes and even spin in mind. Or even to have to realize that the "story of Christmas" that we argue about every freaking year is actually a conflation of two entirely separate stories which have nothing in common and are in part mutually exclusive--except they are both nominally "about" the birth of Jesus.


He is indeed pretty awesome. Not gonna lie, part of the reason I like him is that he pisses off both the fundies and the Atheists(as opposed to atheists) at the same time. His work is well researched, well thought out, and well put together, and it really pisses people off that they can't dismiss him with a wave of the hand. I've read books that were critical of him, and they're laughable. Fundies tend to oppose him with something like "No, Supply Side Jesus was the real Jesus, because we all know liberals are evil," and Atheists tend to oppose him with "Only stupid people are religious, so you're stupid, so your books don't count."

If you really want to piss off fundies, explain part of his back story. He grew up a fundie Christian, and because of that, was encouraged to study the Bible more in-depth, especially the original texts. It was that very studying which made him turn into a liberal Christian. Also, iirc, he donates a lot of money to charitable causes.

The man is seriously fascinating, and I would love to be able to talk to him about his views and research.
 
2013-12-26 11:14:48 PM
Paul Ryan is as likable as a bag of smashed assholes and he's easy to make fun of, not the kind of person you want speaking for your cause so naturally I'm glad the GOP has him out in front.
 
2013-12-26 11:17:15 PM

super_grass: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.  They fully deregulated and let market forces dictate.  Today, they have 20% unemployment with 50% of the population below the poverty line.  That is precisely Ryan's prescription for the USA.  The upside?  The rich have become the super-rich, and the super-rich have become the ultra-rich.

 [tcdc2.undp.org image 650x448]
[www.tradingeconomics.com image 710x325]
WAT


Exactly. unyon is in a Fark timeloop from 2001.  He'll be happy to learn that in 2002, they kicked out the IMF austerity-worshippers and elected semi-lefties (the Kirchners).  They got better.
 
2013-12-26 11:24:05 PM

Headso: Paul Ryan is as likable as a bag of smashed assholes and he's easy to make fun of, not the kind of person you want speaking for your cause so naturally I'm glad the GOP has him out in front.


That is an insult to bags of smashed assholes.
 
2013-12-26 11:24:06 PM

grumpfuff: Gyrfalcon: grumpfuff: fusillade762: [www.writtenword.com image 337x500]

Recommended reading.

Bart Ehrman is a brilliant scholar, and the Christian fundies should be forced to read his books.

Seriously, if you're even remotely interested in Christianity, especially early Christianity, go read some of his books. They're fascinating.

Reading "Jesus, Interrupted" right now. It would just kill fundamentalists if they were forced to read the Gospels not as the Holy Word of God but as stories written with specific purposes and even spin in mind. Or even to have to realize that the "story of Christmas" that we argue about every freaking year is actually a conflation of two entirely separate stories which have nothing in common and are in part mutually exclusive--except they are both nominally "about" the birth of Jesus.

He is indeed pretty awesome. Not gonna lie, part of the reason I like him is that he pisses off both the fundies and the Atheists(as opposed to atheists) at the same time. His work is well researched, well thought out, and well put together, and it really pisses people off that they can't dismiss him with a wave of the hand. I've read books that were critical of him, and they're laughable. Fundies tend to oppose him with something like "No, Supply Side Jesus was the real Jesus, because we all know liberals are evil," and Atheists tend to oppose him with "Only stupid people are religious, so you're stupid, so your books don't count."

If you really want to piss off fundies, explain part of his back story. He grew up a fundie Christian, and because of that, was encouraged to study the Bible more in-depth, especially the original texts. It was that very studying which made him turn into a liberal Christian. Also, iirc, he donates a lot of money to charitable causes.

The man is seriously fascinating, and I would love to be able to talk to him about his views and research.


I don't know of him, but it sounds a little like what Martin Luther talked about. Problem is, fundies will always see it their own way even if they do read it. It was originally a uniquely American phenomenon, but it's unfortunately spreading.
 
2013-12-26 11:27:48 PM

Abacus9: I don't know of him, but it sounds a little like what Martin Luther talked about. Problem is, fundies will always see it their own way even if they do read it. It was originally a uniquely American phenomenon, but it's unfortunately spreading.


Not quite. Luther's issue was with practices of the Catholic church, not necessarily the Bible. Luther was annoyed that certain actions of the church were contrary to the Bible, indulgences being the most well known example.

Ehrman, on the other hand, goes back to the original texts, and points out that by translations, inclusion and exclusion of books, and emphasis on certain aspects over others, the message of Jesus has been fundamentally perverted over the years.

Like I said upthread, if you're curious, I highly recommend pretty much any of his books. Granted, I haven't read all of them, but if the ones I haven't read are half as good as the ones I have, they're still worth reading. A bit of a warning though, they can at times be rather dense.
 
2013-12-26 11:33:36 PM
This is the best Pope in my lifetime. Paul Ryan is a douche.
 
2013-12-26 11:33:41 PM

grumpfuff: He grew up a fundie Christian,


He got his first degrees from Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago and Wheaton College out in the burbs. Wheaton made Fark a few years because the school allowed dancing for the first time ever. That's the sort of place Ehrman started out at. He ended up at Princeton for his PhD. His studies changed him juuuust bit.
 
2013-12-26 11:34:28 PM

grumpfuff: Abacus9: I don't know of him, but it sounds a little like what Martin Luther talked about. Problem is, fundies will always see it their own way even if they do read it. It was originally a uniquely American phenomenon, but it's unfortunately spreading.

Not quite. Luther's issue was with practices of the Catholic church, not necessarily the Bible. Luther was annoyed that certain actions of the church were contrary to the Bible, indulgences being the most well known example.

Ehrman, on the other hand, goes back to the original texts, and points out that by translations, inclusion and exclusion of books, and emphasis on certain aspects over others, the message of Jesus has been fundamentally perverted over the years.

Like I said upthread, if you're curious, I highly recommend pretty much any of his books. Granted, I haven't read all of them, but if the ones I haven't read are half as good as the ones I have, they're still worth reading. A bit of a warning though, they can at times be rather dense.


Sounds interesting, and I'm not disagreeing. My point was that Luther realized the abuses of the Church because he started reading the Bible, and changed accordingly. He realized that the authoritarian nature of things was wrong, and encouraged people to find out for themselves.
 
2013-12-26 11:35:25 PM
Someone really needs to straight out ask Ryan what he thinks of the the parable of the sheep and the goats, the one that has the "I was hungry and you fed me..." and "For surely I say unto you, as you did it unto the least of my brothers, you did it unto me".
 
2013-12-26 11:36:46 PM

Gyrfalcon: grumpfuff: fusillade762: [www.writtenword.com image 337x500]

Recommended reading.

Bart Ehrman is a brilliant scholar, and the Christian fundies should be forced to read his books.

Seriously, if you're even remotely interested in Christianity, especially early Christianity, go read some of his books. They're fascinating.

Reading "Jesus, Interrupted" right now. It would just kill fundamentalists if they were forced to read the Gospels not as the Holy Word of God but as stories written with specific purposes and even spin in mind. Or even to have to realize that the "story of Christmas" that we argue about every freaking year is actually a conflation of two entirely separate stories which have nothing in common and are in part mutually exclusive--except they are both nominally "about" the birth of Jesus.


Most fundies I know can't read...They love hating "other" people though!
 
2013-12-26 11:41:45 PM

WhyteRaven74: grumpfuff: He grew up a fundie Christian,

He got his first degrees from Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago and Wheaton College out in the burbs. Wheaton made Fark a few years because the school allowed dancing for the first time ever. That's the sort of place Ehrman started out at. He ended up at Princeton for his PhD. His studies changed him juuuust bit.


Yup. Hence why I said his story will piss off a lot of fundies. To them, he is the epitome of the "ivory tower liberal elite."

Abacus9: Sounds interesting, and I'm not disagreeing. My point was that Luther realized the abuses of the Church because he started reading the Bible, and changed accordingly. He realized that the authoritarian nature of things was wrong, and encouraged people to find out for themselves.


More or less, yea. In that respect he and Luther do have a bit in common. In all of Ehrman's writings, there is at least a slight hint of "Don't trust the establishment, they only care for their own power."
 
2013-12-26 11:52:39 PM

grumpfuff: WhyteRaven74: grumpfuff: He grew up a fundie Christian,

He got his first degrees from Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago and Wheaton College out in the burbs. Wheaton made Fark a few years because the school allowed dancing for the first time ever. That's the sort of place Ehrman started out at. He ended up at Princeton for his PhD. His studies changed him juuuust bit.

Yup. Hence why I said his story will piss off a lot of fundies. To them, he is the epitome of the "ivory tower liberal elite."

Abacus9: Sounds interesting, and I'm not disagreeing. My point was that Luther realized the abuses of the Church because he started reading the Bible, and changed accordingly. He realized that the authoritarian nature of things was wrong, and encouraged people to find out for themselves.

More or less, yea. In that respect he and Luther do have a bit in common. In all of Ehrman's writings, there is at least a slight hint of "Don't trust the establishment, they only care for their own power."


And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.
 
2013-12-26 11:53:18 PM

enry: I'm constantly being told by Randroids that we don't have a true free enterprise system either.


But it's true.  If one cannot make a contract ( irrevocable except by mutual consent), committing one's self  to a life of servitude, and agreeing to physical restraint, or corporal or even capital punishment as permissible incentives, can one really truly be free?

www-news.uchicago.edu
 
2013-12-27 12:04:10 AM

Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.


Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.
 
2013-12-27 12:13:03 AM

grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.


I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.
 
2013-12-27 12:21:51 AM
No surprise here.

Before he was a Catholic priest, he lived in an Argentina that was a dictatorship which strongly supported and was in turn supported by the Catholic Church.

After becoming a priest, he was an officer in the dictatorship known as the Catholic church.  When Argentina moved away from dictatorship to a form of capitalism, it reduced support for the Catholic church since they had been strong supporters of the dictators

Now, as Pope, he is one of the most powerful dictators on earth.   The countries that have the strongest capitalist systems and the most robust middle class are the ones where the Catholic church is losing influence.   Not only isn't he equipped by his background to fully understand capitalism, he recognizes it as a threat to his dictatorship.   Of course he is going to speak out against it.
 
2013-12-27 12:27:42 AM

Abacus9: grumpfuff: Gyrfalcon: grumpfuff: fusillade762: [www.writtenword.com image 337x500]

I don't know of him, but it sounds a little like what Martin Luther talked about. Problem is, fundies will always see it their own way even if they do read it. It was originally a uniquely American phenomenon, but it's unfortunately spreading.


It's called self deception. It's no so uniquely American. Although I will agree that those on the U.S. political right seem to be practicing it with an much more alarming frequency.
 
2013-12-27 12:29:42 AM

jgk3: The countries that have the strongest capitalist systems and the most robust middle class


LOL!
 
2013-12-27 12:39:17 AM

Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.

I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.


Well, there you go. Ehrman is one of the modern players, regardless of what the fundies want to tell you.
 
2013-12-27 12:49:58 AM

grumpfuff: Abacus9: grumpfuff: Abacus9: And he still considered himself Catholic till the day he died. "I didn't change, they did". They both did, really. This Ehrman sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of him.

Go do you some readings, if you can get your hands on some of his books(hint hint, I'm pretty sure you can find it on the interwebs). From the sounds of your couple posts, you would greatly enjoy his stuff. Though I would suggest doing a bit of research first to decide exactly which one. Like I said, some of his stuff can be a bit dense, while other stuff is more accessible to the layman.

I like the heavy stuff. I know theology, the concepts anyway. The way I know a lot of the Bible, but couldn't tell you the chapter or verse. I know a lot of it, but couldn't say who the major modern players are.

Well, there you go. Ehrman is one of the modern players, regardless of what the fundies want to tell you.


What would you recommend? Not the milk, but the meat.
 
2013-12-27 12:54:32 AM

WhyteRaven74: Someone really needs to straight out ask Ryan what he thinks of the the parable of the sheep and the goats, the one that has the "I was hungry and you fed me..." and "For surely I say unto you, as you did it unto the least of my brothers, you did it unto me".


I'm sure he'd say that millions of Americans give to charity every year and that it isn't government's job to feed, clothe or house anyone. Bonus if he makes the "fish for a lifetime" speech.
 
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