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(The Raw Story)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-oman Catholic) says that the Pope is "entitled to his opinion," but that he really doesn't know enough about capitalism to criticize it   (rawstory.com) divider line 230
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2013-12-26 06:36:10 PM
"Look, Jesus is entitled to his opinion, but he has no right to ask me or any of these other sellers to leave the temple, I've been selling pigeons here for years, I've worked hard to establish a loyal customer base here. That's what a free market means, we get to use this temple just like everybody else. Plus, the guy is from Nazareth, they haven't had a real barter economy in Nazareth, their markets are all thieves selling stolen goods, that's where the phrase "Nazareth market" comes from, you know. But we're respectable businessmen, so he can't ask us to leave. But what I do love about this Jesus guy, even though he sounds kinda liberal, is that he's triggering the exact kind of dialogue we ought to be having."
 
2013-12-26 06:39:36 PM

Irving Maimway: FlashHarry: i mean, keynesian theory has worked in practice - just witness the three-decade post WWII boom. but is there an equivalent example for the other side?

Nope. Iceland, in fact, is a smoldering example of it not working. They've been undoing the damage since the 2008 crash by going back to Keynesian economics and they've recovered faster than any other country.


As I understand it, when TSHTF there, and they had a decision to make, bail out the banks with gubmint money, or tell the bankers to fark off, they told the bankers to fark off.  And their recovery started pretty much instantly.
 
2013-12-26 06:43:58 PM
Weaver95:
Once you understand that the GOP doesn't actually follow the Christian god their policies start to make sense. The god they follow is vicious, greedy and despises the weak. He cares only for power, and nothing for the sick or poor. The republicans took the biblical Jesus and remade him into a god that better suited their goals.

I've always believed there's a very powerful reason why Republicans are so obsessed with maintaining a steady supply of both virgins and babies.

thetheisticsatanist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-26 06:44:54 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


Of course. "Striving with political men may make the cause political, not by what they do but by who they are." T.S. Eliot, that radical he.
 
2013-12-26 06:47:58 PM

HEY, PAUL!


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2013-12-26 06:50:59 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.


Old Testament
New Testament

You must be a Republican, to be so ignorant about the Bible.
 
2013-12-26 06:53:45 PM
lol, Ryan just let God know which side he's on.  Good for you, Ryan.  Don't let eternal damnation stand between you and corporate politics!

/got to admire a man that stares into the abyss and decides he might as well live it up in the here and now.
 
2013-12-26 06:55:23 PM

abb3w: (Also, it was Toomey who said pope Frankie was "entitled to his opinion", but that's a minor detail.)


That doesn't shock me in the slightest. Toomey has been pretty open about being a whore for Club For Growth and other similar interests since he ran for office back in 2010.
 
2013-12-26 06:56:52 PM
Praise Mammon.
 
2013-12-26 06:57:33 PM

KeatingFive: Darth_Lukecash: Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.

Old Testament
New Testament

You must be a Republican, to be so ignorant about the Bible.


Strange, I'm a atheist democrat.

And raised catholic, the old and New Testament are part of that funny little work of fiction called the bible.
 
2013-12-26 06:58:12 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.


It also might have something to do with one being from the OT and the other the NT. They contradict each other quite regularly.
 
2013-12-26 07:02:03 PM

RexTalionis: spongeboob: Wasn't it just a few days ago that Ryan was going to be the hope of the GOP?

No. A few days ago was when Paul Ryan was the Judas who betrayed the GOP (by agreeing to a budget compromise with Senator Patty Murray).


I thought the moderates the country club GOP and many pundits were saying this proved Ryan was the one to watch in 2014. I actually heard this on NPR I think On point but could have been Talk of the Nation.
 
2013-12-26 07:03:14 PM

FlashHarry: serious question: has trickle-down theory ever worked in practice? i know that niall ferguson likes to cite chile, but is this valid?


You might ask the Chileans about that.  I would call Bachelet's (about as socialist as you get) reelection a repudiation.
 
2013-12-26 07:07:39 PM
i306.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-26 07:08:50 PM

Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.


...I am loving that Republican idealogues who are ostensibly Christian are rejecting the words of the Pope in favor of the words of a Russian atheist.
 
2013-12-26 07:11:16 PM
The Freakanomics guys interviewed Pope Francis' economic advisor this week, who spoke about Francis' views and his recent statement on economics which has got the usual waterheads all in a tizzy. I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

And way to be condescending to the Pope, supposedly catholic guy. If Paul Ryan wanted to be any douchier he'd have to sleep in a kiddy pool filled with vinegar.
 
2013-12-26 07:12:53 PM

KeatingFive: Darth_Lukecash: Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.

Old Testament
New Testament

You must be a Republican, to be so ignorant about the Bible.


Hey, look, another New Testament line:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ~Matthew 5:17

Meanwhile, that line about gays being an abomination? Old Testament.

You must be a Republican, to be so ignorant about the Bible...
 
2013-12-26 07:13:15 PM

mongbiohazard: The Freakanomics guys interviewed Pope Francis' economic advisor this week, who spoke about Francis' views and his recent statement on economics which has got the usual waterheads all in a tizzy. I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

And way to be condescending to the Pope, supposedly catholic guy. If Paul Ryan wanted to be any douchier he'd have to sleep in a kiddy pool filled with vinegar.


I'd love to see that interview. Was it on their blog?
 
2013-12-26 07:13:30 PM

mongbiohazard: I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - almost any conceivable topic than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.


FTFY


/I'm sure Ryan knows more about being a dick
 
2013-12-26 07:15:52 PM

Darth_Lukecash: KeatingFive: Darth_Lukecash: Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.

Old Testament
New Testament

You must be a Republican, to be so ignorant about the Bible.

Strange, I'm a atheist democrat.

And raised catholic, the old and New Testament are part of that funny little work of fiction called the bible.


Forget it Tim. Once farkers go into mouth foam mode they'll attack anyone in their vincinity.
 
2013-12-26 07:22:11 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


meh - he isnt a real Catholic. He only has 3 kids. 
So either his wife isnt getting any or they have left the church and are using birth control.

/HEY - I was told that catholics didnt use BC.
 
2013-12-26 07:22:47 PM

grumpfuff: mongbiohazard: I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - almost any conceivable topic than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

FTFY


/I'm sure Ryan knows more about being a dick


I initially read your slashie as he knows more about sucking a dick. It's probably true strangely.
 
2013-12-26 07:25:42 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


No, no.

The party IS the religion.
 
2013-12-26 07:26:54 PM
grumpfuff:
/I'm sure Ryan knows more about being a dick


Knows... he could teach classes!
 
2013-12-26 07:31:23 PM
I could have sworn that someone in the bible said "the love of money is the root of all evil".  The Pope being, well, the Pope may have finally called the Republicans on their stance of proclaimed religious piety while trying to consolidate wealth and power to only the super rich through trickle down economics.  The worst ones I can remember are out of Wisconsin with Governor Walker and attempted VP Paul Ryan.  After the description of Ayn Rand's work and some passages elsewhere, as a philosopher, I could enjoy it for intellectual discourse and cognitive dissonance as held by people like Ryan.  However, such people are terrifying should they wield power, much like Ryan who has such high aspirations for his friends and family, but disdain for anyone worse off.
 
2013-12-26 07:33:07 PM
If there's anyone who understands the need for capital in the form of buildings, staff, and bureaucracies it's the Catholic Church.
 
2013-12-26 07:40:01 PM

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.

That will be a long ways off, he has nothing to worry about the olde-style Bishops in the US overall and in WI.  He will not be denied communion or called out by his local bishops anytime soon.
 
2013-12-26 07:42:24 PM

Serious Black: mongbiohazard: The Freakanomics guys interviewed Pope Francis' economic advisor this week, who spoke about Francis' views and his recent statement on economics which has got the usual waterheads all in a tizzy. I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

And way to be condescending to the Pope, supposedly catholic guy. If Paul Ryan wanted to be any douchier he'd have to sleep in a kiddy pool filled with vinegar.

I'd love to see that interview. Was it on their blog?


It was a podcast of theirs from last week. Last Thursday's if memory serves. Planet Money, Freakonomics and Tank Riot are podcasts I keep up with weekly.
 
2013-12-26 07:42:38 PM
super_grass:

Forget it Tim. Once farkers go into mouth foam mode they'll attack anyone in their vincinity.


Well, let's see see what our magic Bible says

*Shakes the holy 8 Ball*


Are the laws of the Old Testament still binding?

Yes, they are binding forever.

Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

No, Christians are not under the OT law.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John [the Baptist]: since that time the kingdom of heaven is preached.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 6:14
Ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:4, 6
Ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ .... We are delivered from the law, that being dead.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 3:13, 24-25
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law. (v.13)

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (vv.24-25)

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances ... nailing it to his cross.

Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...
 
2013-12-26 07:48:23 PM
"William Dohonue, the president of the Catholic League who is frequently presented on TV as the voice of American Catholics, offered a tepid defense of the pope against Limbaugh's criticism."

Who decided Dohonue is the voice of American Catholics?  78.2 million Catholic Americans (Wikipedia) are faithfully represented by this dude?  I figured he was Fox News coorespondent.
 
2013-12-26 07:49:47 PM
This pope is exposing the entire social control plan politicians like Ryan rely on.  They need to get people to be just greedy enough to want to work and support a system that favors wealth, but subdued enough by religion to leave the true excess to those in power (who don't believe any of it).

opiate, masses, soshaliszm, slashies

//
 
2013-12-26 07:56:03 PM

suckfest: "William Dohonue, the president of the Catholic League who is frequently presented on TV as the voice of American Catholics, offered a tepid defense of the pope against Limbaugh's criticism."

Who decided Dohonue is the voice of American Catholics?  78.2 million Catholic Americans (Wikipedia) are faithfully represented by this dude?  I figured he was Fox News coorespondent.


Anyone can set themselves up as anything; if you book enough tv appearances, you're the go-to guy. For example, I'm the world'd foremost expert on the worldwide Muppet conspiracy. So far no tv appearances, but some day....
 
2013-12-26 07:57:08 PM

Ned Stark: keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.


whidbey: Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.

You'll get no argument from me on that one... The man was pure filth.

Was?


I know. I thought he was dead too. Like Jim Nabors.
 
2013-12-26 08:01:43 PM
Where's the Dalek Pope when you need him? Excommunicate!
 
2013-12-26 08:09:13 PM

Darth_Lukecash: ...Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...


Such quotes are terrifying, but your point is well-taken, but aren't most religious texts susceptible to contradictions without context?
 
kth
2013-12-26 08:14:14 PM

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.

I'm calling bullshiat on that one. When was the last time they excommunicated an American politician?

I honestly don't know....but I think I would avoid putting this pope to the test. Jesuits are kind of hard cases when it comes to this sort of thing.


To be fair, I don't think he was speaking ex cathedra. So it probably is not infallible.  It is right, but maybe not infallible. Of course, it could run afoul of earlier dogma.
 
2013-12-26 08:17:23 PM

harleyquinnical: Darth_Lukecash: ...Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...

Such quotes are terrifying, but your point is well-taken, but aren't most religious texts susceptible to contradictions without context?


Not if they're written by an all-knowing God.
 
2013-12-26 08:18:22 PM

harleyquinnical: Darth_Lukecash: ...Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...

Such quotes are terrifying, but your point is well-taken, but aren't most religious texts susceptible to contradictions without context?


All religions have contradictions. After all, they are created by humans.

But the problem is, that most people are really use the quotes to bolster their viewpoints.

Like Hitler...

"I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the
character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has
never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred
years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its
amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been
rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be
built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or
irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long
as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it."


[Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]
 
2013-12-26 08:22:24 PM

Ed Grubermann: harleyquinnical: Darth_Lukecash: ...Imagine that.  The New Testament contradicts itself as well...

Such quotes are terrifying, but your point is well-taken, but aren't most religious texts susceptible to contradictions without context?

Not if they're written by an all-knowing God.


I don't know who is running God's office, but various translations should not have been allowed to happen.

Can of worms. It's open.

I also have to side with the Pope. Mega church evangelical wannabes don't have a city state. That's power.
 
2013-12-26 08:29:35 PM

Sliding Carp: Irving Maimway: FlashHarry: i mean, keynesian theory has worked in practice - just witness the three-decade post WWII boom. but is there an equivalent example for the other side?

Nope. Iceland, in fact, is a smoldering example of it not working. They've been undoing the damage since the 2008 crash by going back to Keynesian economics and they've recovered faster than any other country.

As I understand it, when TSHTF there, and they had a decision to make, bail out the banks with gubmint money, or tell the bankers to fark off, they told the bankers to fark off.  And their recovery started pretty much instantly.


And they gave money directly to home owners to help make up the difference between their mortgage and the new value. Also they put bankers in jail. Pretty much the opposite of what we did. You can compare their results to ours for an idea of what might work better in the future. Not that anyone in government here cares.
 
2013-12-26 08:41:45 PM

Ed Grubermann: Not if they're written by an all-knowing God.


Love this sarcasm, but is it not also a matter of whether God is loving, benevolent or malevolent as to determine Its nature?

Darth_Lukecash: All religions have contradictions. After all, they are created by humans.

But the problem is, that most people are really use the quotes to bolster their viewpoints...


Of course they will not only bolster their own viewpoint but also dismiss or ignore the opposition; such is propaganda.
 
2013-12-26 08:44:37 PM

keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


uhhhhh what?
 
2013-12-26 08:46:36 PM
The gospel according to the GOP?

s10.postimg.org
 
2013-12-26 08:50:06 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


As it should be.  Politics, law and party before religion.
 
2013-12-26 08:51:29 PM
Republicans are desperately scrabbling for facts to defend their politics, but pope is pushing emotional buttons

And when its emotions vs rational debate, guess which side wins every time.

Republicans consistently and conspicuously on wrong side of the debate, wrong side of history - Same sex marriage, concern for people at bottom, and now, even christianity
 
2013-12-26 08:57:22 PM
So is Paul Ryan going to be denied communion for denying the teachings of the church, just like the Catholic politicians that went against the church regarding abortion?
 
2013-12-26 09:10:01 PM

Serious Black: mongbiohazard: The Freakanomics guys interviewed Pope Francis' economic advisor this week, who spoke about Francis' views and his recent statement on economics which has got the usual waterheads all in a tizzy. I'm confident that Pope Francis has a better understanding of economics in general - and capitalism specifically - than Paul Ryan would be able to achieve with 1,000 years of study.

And way to be condescending to the Pope, supposedly catholic guy. If Paul Ryan wanted to be any douchier he'd have to sleep in a kiddy pool filled with vinegar.

I'd love to see that interview. Was it on their blog?



Here, I just found a link to it for you. You can read it, listen to it or read it while listening. :)
 
2013-12-26 09:11:05 PM

Chameleon: So is Paul Ryan going to be denied communion for denying the teachings of the church, just like the Catholic politicians that went against the church regarding abortion?


No, 'cause the current pope has stated that witholding communion as 'punishment' for wrong views is abhorrent, and that communion is supposed to be about *healing*, not a cudgel to use as punishment.

(He DID kick the bishop that was pulling that shiat out of a pretty high up role, though)
 
2013-12-26 09:12:41 PM
I'll light a candle in Pope Francis' name if he excommunicates Paul Ryan.
 
2013-12-26 09:17:48 PM
Paul Ryan is the 80s movie douchebag villain incarnate.
Sweep the leg. Attempt to date rape the girl. All that jive.

To do evil is his religion.
 
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