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(The Raw Story)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-oman Catholic) says that the Pope is "entitled to his opinion," but that he really doesn't know enough about capitalism to criticize it   (rawstory.com) divider line 230
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2013-12-26 04:42:46 PM  
Just about a week ago, the story was this:

Paul Ryan Finds God
How a backstage prayer in Cleveland and a new leader in the Vatican set the budget-slashing congressman on a mission to help the poor. "My bet is that he's on Pope Francis' team." Link
 
2013-12-26 04:43:11 PM  

doyner: Weaver95: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

This was ever in doubt?

Some people still fail to grasp that party is religion.


It is. The REAL God stuff™ comes later. After Social Security is privatized. Along with water.
 
2013-12-26 04:45:48 PM  

whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?

Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

I'm just trying to figure out what it whom you are biatching about.

Of course you are. Meanwhile another reply. Makes the exchange appear relevant.


Merry Christmas to you, too, then. May your vagina be free of sand in the coming new year.
 
2013-12-26 04:46:26 PM  

propasaurus: Just about a week ago, the story was this:

Paul Ryan Finds God
How a backstage prayer in Cleveland and a new leader in the Vatican set the budget-slashing congressman on a mission to help the poor. "My bet is that he's on Pope Francis' team." Link


Hypocrisy thrives on dueling narratives.
 
2013-12-26 04:48:30 PM  

whidbey: Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.


Really, dude?  We've discussed this. Beware of the regionalist attitude that only sharpens the devide you find so distasteful.
 
2013-12-26 04:49:32 PM  
interesting. 55 posts and still no red/green. i wonder what the modmins are waiting for.
 
2013-12-26 04:51:41 PM  

FlashHarry: interesting. 55 posts and still no red/green. i wonder what the modmins are waiting for.


Today is unusual.  They'll pick a green out of the black and make it almost instant.  It's almost like they have lives and families and stuff.
 
2013-12-26 04:52:08 PM  
Wasn't it just a few days ago that Ryan was going to be the hope of the GOP?
 
2013-12-26 04:56:54 PM  

doyner: whidbey: Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

Really, dude?  We've discussed this. Beware of the regionalist attitude that only sharpens the devide you find so distasteful.


Pfft. Like you've never trolled a troll before.

Oh and Kiss mah grits.
 
2013-12-26 04:57:36 PM  

spongeboob: Wasn't it just a few days ago that Ryan was going to be the hope of the GOP?


No. A few days ago was when Paul Ryan was the Judas who betrayed the GOP (by agreeing to a budget compromise with Senator Patty Murray).
 
2013-12-26 05:00:30 PM  

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?

Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

I'm just trying to figure out what it whom you are biatching about.

Of course you are. Meanwhile another reply. Makes the exchange appear relevant.

Merry Christmas to you, too, then. May your vagina be free of sand in the coming new year.


You were supposed to yeah "yeah that really sucks about us Americans, that we're so consumer-driven and that in fact we do seek material wealth above all. This past Christmas is yet another reminder
The Pope is right."

But NOOOOOOOOO. You had to play Fark Independent™ even for that.

//Merry Christmas to you too, Nabb
 
2013-12-26 05:01:03 PM  

whidbey: Pfft. Like you've never trolled a troll before.

Oh and Kiss mah grits.


You know me...sort of.  Yes, I troll trolls...but dude, I think you need a sabbatical to Mississippi to uncover the real truth.  It ain't the southerners per se, it's that the south magnifies the divides in our nation.  It's Ground Zero, if you will.  It's where the good fight is really fought.
 
2013-12-26 05:18:27 PM  

doyner: whidbey: Pfft. Like you've never trolled a troll before.

Oh and Kiss mah grits.

You know me...sort of.  Yes, I troll trolls...but dude, I think you need a sabbatical to Mississippi to uncover the real truth.  It ain't the southerners per se, it's that the south magnifies the divides in our nation.  It's Ground Zero, if you will.  It's where the good fight is really fought.


We have our own version of it up here, trust me. Just head out to the West End near Forks and keep driving on south 101.
 
2013-12-26 05:19:29 PM  

whidbey: doyner: whidbey: Pfft. Like you've never trolled a troll before.

Oh and Kiss mah grits.

You know me...sort of.  Yes, I troll trolls...but dude, I think you need a sabbatical to Mississippi to uncover the real truth.  It ain't the southerners per se, it's that the south magnifies the divides in our nation.  It's Ground Zero, if you will.  It's where the good fight is really fought.

We have our own version of it up here, trust me. Just head out to the West End near Forks and keep driving on south 101.


Perhaps, but you don't have the rest of the country rubbing it in your face all the time.
 
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2013-12-26 05:36:51 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: There's your problem, Republicans.  Leave your farking religion out of politics.  I think the founding fathers that you like to stroke yourselves to so much offered some guidance on that notion


But that makes controlling the electorate more difficult.

People literally don't realize the whole anti-Gay, anti-abortion agenda is nothing more than a technique to manipulate Christians to vote for non-"liberal" candidates.  If forces Christians to choose conservative candidates.  That's why the Pope says to give up the obsession with homosexuality.  The bible teaches against standing in judgment of others.

If Christians were really on board with their religion, they would be protesting adulterers and voting against men and women who have cheated on their spouses.  When is the last time you've seen protests against adulterers?  Yet, God's ban on adultery made the big ten of sins, along with murder, in the 10 commandments.  You don't hear the conservatives beating the drum against adultery because adultery is committed by both "liberals" and conservatives and it wouldn't result in political division.
 
2013-12-26 05:38:02 PM  
I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.
 
2013-12-26 05:38:44 PM  

NFA: Of course Paul Ryan has tried to claim his following of Ayn Rand is nothing but Urban legend.  Which of course is a huge lie.


I recall a thread where some Fark headline made fun of Ryan being a Randroid.  One of our usual Fark Independents came screaming into the thread calling the submitter and anyone who got a chuckle out of it a lying scumbag.

He then proceeded to respond to nearly every post in the thread EXCEPT the ones directly quoting Paul Ryan (including a speech he made to The Atlas Society) about how much Ayn Rand has influenced his life.  Then started a completely off-topic rant about Indian Reservations, and chided anyone who didn't want to talk about Indian Reservations was "changing the subject."

Trolling?  Performance Art?  Sincere denial?  Either way, it was hilariously pathetic to watch.
 
2013-12-26 05:39:21 PM  

Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.


If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.
 
2013-12-26 05:41:29 PM  
So its okay to be Catholic and disagree about things like social justice and the death penalty?

What other Church doctrines can I completely disregard and still be considered Catholic?

/ex-Catholic.
 
2013-12-26 05:42:14 PM  

doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.


Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.
 
2013-12-26 05:46:07 PM  

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.


I'm calling bullshiat on that one. When was the last time they excommunicated an American politician?
 
2013-12-26 05:46:59 PM  

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


Modern Republicans worship Republicanism. They are not Christians (well, most of them).
 
2013-12-26 05:47:45 PM  

doyner: Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.

I'm calling bullshiat on that one. When was the last time they excommunicated an American politician?


I honestly don't know....but I think I would avoid putting this pope to the test. Jesuits are kind of hard cases when it comes to this sort of thing.
 
2013-12-26 05:47:51 PM  
I recommend watching Park Avenue. Ryan and Rand get their scrutiny. Dems get their share of criticism as well.
 
2013-12-26 05:49:41 PM  

keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.


whidbey: Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.

You'll get no argument from me on that one... The man was pure filth.


Was?
 
2013-12-26 05:51:31 PM  

whidbey: Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.

Wouldn't have worked.

Some other asshole would take her place.


photos1.blogger.com
Forgot the pic, whidbey
 
2013-12-26 05:51:33 PM  

FlashHarry:


The fact that those photos are real flabbergasts me every time.
 
2013-12-26 05:51:48 PM  
Yet another pearl of wisdom from Vice President Dudebro.
 
2013-12-26 05:53:54 PM  
Must be fun to try and shoehorn the doctrine of Ayn Rand into the Catholic faith.
 
2013-12-26 05:54:32 PM  
Dammit. I knew I should have bought popcorn futures.
 
2013-12-26 05:54:47 PM  

FlashHarry: Irving Maimway: Nope. Iceland, in fact, is a smoldering example of it not working. They've been undoing the damage since the 2008 crash by going back to Keynesian economics and they've recovered faster than any other country.

yeah - i figured supply-side economic theory died in september of 2008, but the 1 percenters are still pushing it like crazy.


Though if you ask True Believers they'll just tell you any failures were due to them not supply-siding HARD ENOUGH. The thinking involved is cult-like.
 
2013-12-26 05:56:14 PM  
Sounds like Paul forgot his catechisms.

The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.
 
2013-12-26 05:57:49 PM  

whidbey: Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.

Wouldn't have worked.

Some other asshole would take her place.


I dunno. Objectivism doesn't seem all that strongly implied by the actual world we inhabit. It may have just never come to be without this particular charismatic crazy person.
 
2013-12-26 05:58:41 PM  
Did he really just call a Jesuit uneducated?
 
2013-12-26 06:01:48 PM  
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2013-12-26 06:03:08 PM  

Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: doyner: Weaver95: I don't see how Paul Ryan will be able to stay catholic. The pope is really spelling it out for him...don't be a greedy prick, ayn rand is not your god. Either Ryan drops the objectivist stuff or he has to stop pretending to be catholic.

If thesee people were discomforted by cognitive dissonance there wouldn't be these people.

Yeah but the church will eventually excommunicate his heretical ass if he keeps it up.

I'm calling bullshiat on that one. When was the last time they excommunicated an American politician?

I honestly don't know....but I think I would avoid putting this pope to the test. Jesuits are kind of hard cases when it comes to this sort of thing.


Here you go...list of excommunications

They've never done any big name.

Not following Rome as an American Roman Catholic is  pretty much expected by the rest of the Roman Catholic World.  They appreciate the money, but they will never allow an United States Cardinal ever to be a Pope.
 
2013-12-26 06:06:32 PM  
We must speak of man's rights. Man has the right to live. He has the right to bodily integrity and to the means necessary for the proper development of life, particularly food, clothing, shelter, medical care, rest, and, finally, the necessary social services. In consequence, he has the right to be looked after in the event of illhealth; disability stemming from his work; widowhood; old age; enforced unemployment; or whenever through no fault of his own he is deprived of the means of livelihood.

-Pope John XXIII

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_xxiii/encyclicals/documents/h f_ j-xxiii_enc_11041963_pacem_en.html

The right to medical care? The right to food? What sort of hippie socialist talks that way?
 
2013-12-26 06:08:20 PM  
So I'm supposed to be surprised when a republican says something that goes against the principles of his religion in the name of conservatism?
 
2013-12-26 06:09:03 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Once again, Jello was right.
 
2013-12-26 06:09:28 PM  
Well its not that the Pope is preaching about economic theory, he was just repeating common grievances about excess.once the Pope pushes his Pope-folio then we have problems.
 
2013-12-26 06:11:15 PM  

Fart_Machine: Must be fun to try and shoehorn the doctrine of Ayn Rand into the Catholic faith.


It's like trying to shove a full-grown cactus up your rectum.
 
2013-12-26 06:11:50 PM  
Believing in God is just what you tell your voters. This is it, get yours and get enough for your family to live in luxury for generations.
 
2013-12-26 06:13:16 PM  
And Paul Ryan looked back and said to the Lord, "during the hardest times there are only one set of footprints, where were you."  Supply-side Jesus turned to Ryan and said, "during the hardest times, I was the bootstraps you pulled yourself up with.  Now lets get our crunch on, P90X!"
 
2013-12-26 06:13:23 PM  
Always remember that Mr. Ryan is the GOP expert on budgets and revenue/spending plans.

Now that you're throwing up all over your monitor I'll apologize.
 
2013-12-26 06:17:00 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Look at that: a genuine Cafeteria Catholic


Well, a bread line Catholic.

Wait, no, that's too socialistic.  More like a bucket of slop in a debtor's prison Catholic.
 
2013-12-26 06:19:46 PM  

keylock71: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.

Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976


You know, Kissenger at least did his policy in the name of realist national security. I can respect that. Ryan read some shiatty novel and bases his worldview on it without actually having any experience. For the effectiveness of that Hag's bullshiat, look to the moron who destroyed Sears.
 
2013-12-26 06:21:25 PM  

super_grass: Well its not that the Pope is preaching about economic theory, he was just repeating common grievances about excess.once the Pope pushes his Pope-folio then we have problems.


So when he said, flat out, that trickle-down economics don't work, he was just airing grievances?
 
2013-12-26 06:23:15 PM  
Dear Bible: Is money good or bad?

*Shakes the holy 8-ball*

Money is the answer to all of life's problems.
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Ecclesiastes 10:19

Money is the source of all evil.
For the love of money is the root of all evil.
 Timothy 6:10

But of course, the bible cannot have been written to support whatever views that are needed to enforce your lifestyle.
 
2013-12-26 06:34:09 PM  
I thoroughly despise the Pope and all Catholics for being the biggest hypocrites of any organized religion (at least the Mormons are sincere in their money-grubbing & God-bless-America actions), the fact is that I recognize that the Pope knows more about everything than Paul Ryan knows about anything.  And here's the best part- Ryan was within a few percentage points of being "a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States", as they say.  And even funnier- you people (R and D) still think you will find good leaders and vote them in and everything will get better.  Just amazing.  Politics is like a tesseract of stupidity and you're a part of it.
 
2013-12-26 06:34:28 PM  
I applaud both His Holiness Pope Francis, and Paul Ryan for revealing what truly matters to Republicans when its comes to religion...

MONEY

The Republican Party under the kind and benevolent shepherding of the Tea Party has come to realize that God's true followers are blessed based upon how well they can exploit 30 years of blaming and simultaneously exploiting the American middle and lower class to generate obscene profits and record low tax rates for their fellow blessed.

Obviously His Holiness could never be referring to his own experiences seeing massive income inequality in his native South America. He must of course be referring to the filthy indulgent behaviors of those ungodly "moochers" living in their serene favelas wallowing in the luxuries provided by taxing the godly working people just trying to get by on a measly few hundred grand a year.

Surely the Pope realizes that here in the United States, the godly, the blessed, and their hundreds of billions of dollars in hard earned/inherited money are under attack by these same forces that would use the evil that is secular government to deprive them of these funds. Furthermore they would use these funds for such ungodly purposes such as family planning, treatment of disease, and performing the terrible sin of raising themselves out of poverty.

Jesus was poor, so these people are actually trying to not be like Jesus. Can't you see Your Holiness? Won't you please deliver the truly worthy to the paradise of infinite cheap labor and tax free profits?
 
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