If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Raw Story)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-oman Catholic) says that the Pope is "entitled to his opinion," but that he really doesn't know enough about capitalism to criticize it   (rawstory.com) divider line 230
    More: Stupid, Paul Ryan, conservative Catholics, American Catholics, Sen. John McCain, capitalism, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Toomey  
•       •       •

2805 clicks; posted to Politics » on 26 Dec 2013 at 5:43 PM (35 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



230 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-12-26 02:11:45 PM
so, party before country... and now, party before religion?
 
2013-12-26 02:14:10 PM
076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com

"I wouldn't worry about it. Vatican City's not a very big religious town."
 
2013-12-26 02:17:28 PM
"The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?
 
2013-12-26 02:21:01 PM
Here's a criticism:

Paul Ryan is a farking social conservative dipshiat. A useful idiot for corporatism.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-12-26 02:23:52 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


Ryan is a Ayn Rand follower.  Rand's Objectivism teaches that if you love God more than yourself, you are immoral.  Greed is a virtue and that if you aren't self centered you don't deserve to be loved.  She wrote a book titled the Virtue of Selfishness.  None of this is an exaggeration.

Ryan worships Ayn Rand's writings, not the bible.

Here it is in his own words.
 
2013-12-26 02:24:35 PM

keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

(Also, it was Toomey who said pope Frankie was "entitled to his opinion", but that's a minor detail.)
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-12-26 02:24:59 PM
Of course Paul Ryan has tried to claim his following of Ayn Rand is nothing but Urban legend.  Which of course is a huge lie.
 
2013-12-26 02:25:22 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-26 02:29:29 PM

abb3w: keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.


If anything, the Argentinians most likely learned the finer points of Crony Capitalism from the United States...

Seems like the Pope has a much better grasp of Capitalism than Ryan does (providing Ryan actually believes the bullshiat that falls out of his mouth).
 
2013-12-26 02:29:38 PM

keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


This sounds remarkably like what people say when defending communism, that it hasn't been applied in its true form. Is Paul Ryan a communist?
 
2013-12-26 02:32:04 PM
Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.
 
2013-12-26 02:33:25 PM

Irving Maimway: Ayn Rand's father should have pulled out.


Wouldn't have worked.

Some other asshole would take her place.
 
2013-12-26 02:36:41 PM

RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?


He's something far worse... An ideologue.
 
2013-12-26 02:39:39 PM

keylock71: abb3w: keylock71: Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows a bit.

If anything, the Argentinians most likely learned the finer points of Crony Capitalism from the United States...

Seems like the Pope has a much better grasp of Capitalism than Ryan does (providing Ryan actually believes the bullshiat that falls out of his mouth).


Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.  They fully deregulated and let market forces dictate.  Today, they have 20% unemployment with 50% of the population below the poverty line.  That is precisely Ryan's prescription for the USA.  The upside?  The rich have become the super-rich, and the super-rich have become the ultra-rich.
 
2013-12-26 02:42:24 PM
Look at that: a genuine Cafeteria Catholic

/don't see those everyday
 
2013-12-26 02:42:34 PM

keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.


Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.
 
2013-12-26 02:50:42 PM

keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?


I'm constantly being told by Randroids that we don't have a true free enterprise system either.
 
2013-12-26 02:51:04 PM
FTFA: Catholic Republican lawmakers are rattled by Pope Francis, whose recent comments have shaken up assumptions about their church and its relationship to their political party.

There's your problem, Republicans.  Leave your farking religion out of politics.  I think the founding fathers that you like to stroke yourselves to so much offered some guidance on that notion.
 
2013-12-26 03:01:52 PM

unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.


Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976
 
2013-12-26 03:08:58 PM

keylock71: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.

Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976


Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.
 
2013-12-26 03:11:15 PM

keylock71: unyon: Argentina got full-dosage Friedman Chicago school capitalism.

Courtesy of Henry Kissenger, the U.S. Congress, and Ronald Reagan...

"Look, our basic attitude is that we would like you to succeed. I have an old-fashioned view that friends ought to be supported. What is not understood in the United States is that you have a civil war. We read about human rights problems but not the context. The quicker you succeed the better... " -Henry Kissenger in support of the Argentina Military Junta, 1976


And after 14 years of a privatized pension system they undid all that and seem to be doing much better now. So I think we can say as far as retirement savings goes, they tried it and found out it sucked.
 
2013-12-26 03:13:17 PM
It doesn't matter whether Argentina experienced or didn't experienced capitalism... Unlike Americans, those people read books (real books, not just Harry potter) and they read and learn about other countries and are curious about the world.
 
2013-12-26 03:15:06 PM

whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.


Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.


whidbey: Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.


You'll get no argument from me on that one... The man was pure filth.
 
2013-12-26 03:17:13 PM
serious question: has trickle-down theory ever worked in practice? i know that niall ferguson likes to cite chile, but is this valid?
 
2013-12-26 03:18:23 PM
Pope Francis was born and grew up during the dirty war in Argentina when anyone  believed to be associated with socialism just disappeared. The idea of a Pope having the audacity to express what many feel the scripture requires, that men should be decent to other human beings is what is causing the outrage. The Pope is just doing what a good Pope is supposed to do.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-26 03:20:03 PM

RminusQ: keylock71: "The guy is from Argentina, they haven't had real capitalism in Argentina," Ryan said. "They have crony capitalism in Argentina. They don't have a true free enterprise system."

Heh... Who's the naive one here, Opie?

This sounds remarkably like what people say when defending communism, that it hasn't been applied in its true form. Is Paul Ryan a communist?


Did he say that anything like "capitalism hasn't been tried in it's true form"?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-12-26 03:20:38 PM

FlashHarry: serious question: has trickle-down theory ever worked in practice? i know that niall ferguson likes to cite chile, but is this valid?


It's worked pretty well for the people who invented it.
 
2013-12-26 03:27:53 PM

keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.T

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.


Not to turn this into a huge side-debate, but one could argue that MLK and other human rights activists didn't "act" based on the real world, but on the world they wanted to create.

I don't think that's a fair assessment.

For that matter, environmentalists and other activists could be accused of being "ideologues." The truth isn't always pretty or compatible with people's lifestyles.
 
2013-12-26 03:28:01 PM

vpb: FlashHarry: serious question: has trickle-down theory ever worked in practice? i know that niall ferguson likes to cite chile, but is this valid?

It's worked pretty well for the people who invented it.


Pretty much... One could argue, it works exactly how it was intended to. Namely, to concentrate wealth and power into the hands of a relatively small group of people.
 
2013-12-26 03:29:50 PM
The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.
 
2013-12-26 03:32:14 PM

whidbey: keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.T

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.

Not to turn this into a huge side-debate, but one could argue that MLK and other human rights activists didn't "act" based on the real world, but on the world they wanted to create.

I don't think that's a fair assessment.

For that matter, environmentalists and other activists could be accused of being "ideologues." The truth isn't always pretty or compatible with people's lifestyles.


Fair enough... But you could argue that MLK was also very much a pragmatist. Particularly, in his ability to build coalitions and work with other groups, non-violently, towards a common goal.
 
2013-12-26 03:33:23 PM

Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.


Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?
 
2013-12-26 03:35:39 PM

whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?


Who, the Pope?
 
2013-12-26 03:36:04 PM

keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.T

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.

Not to turn this into a huge side-debate, but one could argue that MLK and other human rights activists didn't "act" based on the real world, but on the world they wanted to create.

I don't think that's a fair assessment.

For that matter, environmentalists and other activists could be accused of being "ideologues." The truth isn't always pretty or compatible with people's lifestyles.

Fair enough... But you could argue that MLK was also very much a pragmatist. Particularly, in his ability to build coalitions and work with other groups, non-violently, towards a common goal.


Yeah but he obviously believed that people "pragmatically" practice the altruism in the Bible, too, and they didn't and don't, by and large. I believe that he was simply driven, and that his message doesn't deserve the overwhelming condemnation of what Ryan believes.
 
2013-12-26 03:37:13 PM
Would you believe that there are some people who think Ryan isn't far ENOUGH to the right??!?!??!?!?!

fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-12-26 03:37:15 PM

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?


No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?
 
2013-12-26 03:37:53 PM

keylock71: Pretty much... One could argue, it works exactly how it was intended to. Namely, to concentrate wealth and power into the hands of a relatively small group of people.


right - but has it ever been a "rising tide that lifts all boats" as it has been sold to the american people over the past 30 years?

i mean, keynesian theory has worked in practice - just witness the three-decade post WWII boom. but is there an equivalent example for the other side?
 
2013-12-26 03:41:34 PM

FlashHarry: right - but has it ever been a "rising tide that lifts all boats" as it has been sold to the american people over the past 30 years?


Speaking as a 42 year member of the American Lower-Middle Class, I'm going to say, "No." : )
 
2013-12-26 03:45:11 PM

FlashHarry: i mean, keynesian theory has worked in practice - just witness the three-decade post WWII boom. but is there an equivalent example for the other side?


Nope. Iceland, in fact, is a smoldering example of it not working. They've been undoing the damage since the 2008 crash by going back to Keynesian economics and they've recovered faster than any other country.
 
2013-12-26 03:47:04 PM

keylock71: whidbey: keylock71: RminusQ: Is Paul Ryan a communist?

He's something far worse... An ideologue.

Which isn't such a bad thing. Depends on what you believe.

Eh... Ideologues don't act based on the world as it exists around them, but rather, based on how they want the world to be and assuming most everyone will agree with them. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them or not. You can justify just about anything when you view the world like that.


whidbey: Someone should have cockpunched that guy all the way back to Germany or whatever hellhole he was borne of.

You'll get no argument from me on that one... The man was pure filth.


He'll, Kissinger cannot travel to a lot of countries thanks to Hitchens. shiatbag should have been bound and gagged and left at the step of The Hague.
 
2013-12-26 03:50:22 PM

whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?


I'm a hypocrite, how?
 
2013-12-26 04:05:20 PM

Irving Maimway: Nope. Iceland, in fact, is a smoldering example of it not working. They've been undoing the damage since the 2008 crash by going back to Keynesian economics and they've recovered faster than any other country.


yeah - i figured supply-side economic theory died in september of 2008, but the 1 percenters are still pushing it like crazy.
 
2013-12-26 04:17:39 PM

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?


Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.
 
2013-12-26 04:20:31 PM

whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?

Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.


I'm just trying to figure out what it whom you are biatching about.
 
2013-12-26 04:23:44 PM

FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?


This was ever in doubt?
 
2013-12-26 04:29:25 PM

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: The Pope was not speaking solely about economic systems but calling for people on an individual level not to focus so much on self-validation through consumerism and material wealthy. It applies to billionaires and average people, too. We should not make accruing material things and money the focus of our lives.

Yeah right. A bit late for that, seeing as how we're this embarrassingly corporate consumerist nation who just celebrated a huge corporate consumerist holiday. Hypocrite, much?

Who, the Pope?

No, you, Francis. Are you really that unaware of the irony of your statement?

I'm a hypocrite, how?

Oh I see. I'm being funnend by the Southerner. You're so funny. Southern Humor.

I'm just trying to figure out what it whom you are biatching about.


Of course you are. Meanwhile another reply. Makes the exchange appear relevant.
 
2013-12-26 04:30:42 PM

Weaver95: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

This was ever in doubt?


i always thought religion was indivisible with republican politics. now i guess that the only part of religion they like to invoke is the anti-gay, anti-women, anti-abortion part. above all, their driving motivator is greed.
 
2013-12-26 04:36:30 PM

FlashHarry: Weaver95: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

This was ever in doubt?

i always thought religion was indivisible with republican politics. now i guess that the only part of religion they like to invoke is the anti-gay, anti-women, anti-abortion part. above all, their driving motivator is greed.


Once you understand that the GOP doesn't actually follow the Christian god their policies start to make sense. The god they follow is vicious, greedy and despises the weak. He cares only for power, and nothing for the sick or poor. The republicans took the biblical Jesus and remade him into a god that better suited their goals.
 
2013-12-26 04:41:15 PM

Weaver95: FlashHarry: so, party before country... and now, party before religion?

This was ever in doubt?


Some people still fail to grasp that party is religion.
 
2013-12-26 04:42:45 PM

Weaver95: The republicans took the biblical Jesus and remade him into a god that better suited their goals.


Like I said in another thread, it is a long standing human tradition to build new religions on top of the old ones, making them conform to your values accordingly.
 
Displayed 50 of 230 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report