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(National Review)   The real problem with Georgia Republican Jack Kingston's proposal to make poor children work for their school lunches is that it doesn't go far enough. All children should be forced to work as janitors for free for the benefit of America   (nationalreview.com) divider line 313
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2013-12-26 02:00:17 PM
I quit. fark em.
I give up. I can not hate these people more than I already do.


Sure, back when I was in grade school, back in 1860, I had to help paint the school.
But mopping? And how the hell do they know that these kids dont already have jobs after school??
Sure, have the kids clean. But pay them exactly what the current janitor is making. Right? RIGHT?


WE get it. You want to repeal child labor laws. Duh.
 
2013-12-26 02:05:24 PM

namatad: I quit. fark em.
I give up. I can not hate these people more than I already do.


Sure, back when I was in grade school, back in 1860, I had to help paint the school.
But mopping? And how the hell do they know that these kids dont already have jobs after school??
Sure, have the kids clean. But pay them exactly what the current janitor is making. Right? RIGHT?


WE get it. You want to repeal child labor laws. Duh.


They want to repeal the civil rights act and the 13th Ammendment.
 
2013-12-26 02:07:19 PM

namatad: WE get it. You want to repeal child labor laws. Duh.


This is the only way America can compete!  Those tiny hands could be faceting high end electronic gadgets and guidance systems for drones, but nooooooo, we farm it out of Asia and all of America suffers!  This is why you Libs hate America and it's free market capitalist economy!  Go back to Moscow COMRADE!
 
2013-12-26 02:07:53 PM
I have no doubt that if left unchecked, the Republican Party of today would bring back licensed slavery in a heartbeat.
 
2013-12-26 02:11:42 PM
You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.
 
2013-12-26 02:12:18 PM
Given the way we're steering this country, maybe it's good to teach them that this will be their lot in life at an early age.  Hope, aspirations, dreams and plans will only make them unhappy.
 
2013-12-26 02:12:55 PM

what_now: You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.


I'm all for it.
 
2013-12-26 02:18:19 PM
What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.
 
2013-12-26 02:18:25 PM

what_now: You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.


Israel does this, its a really good idea.
 
2013-12-26 02:21:18 PM
For God, the nation, and the leader! One people, one nation, one leader! It's a stirring message, really. One almost might think it's been tried before..
 
2013-12-26 02:28:38 PM

what_now: You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.


SURE!!!
But in order to be fair, we should start at the top.
ANYONE who wasnt drafted or avoided the draft by joining the NG, ANYONE who didnt server overseas, would be drafted. Starting with the oldest people and working our way down.

This would include rich people, politicians, religious, everyone. Zero deferments.
Zero hardship deferments.

This would be awesome.
ALAS, sooner or later they would get to me, but it would be worth it to watch ALL of DC get drafted. And their snowflakes.
 
2013-12-26 02:35:35 PM
Let me guess - for a small $1,000 fee though, you can buy your child's way out of this service?
 
2013-12-26 02:38:50 PM

clancifer: I have no doubt that if left unchecked, the Republican Party of today would bring back licensed slavery in a heartbeat.


Please, slavery is such an ugly word. Indentured servitude as repayment for debts, though, that has some real potential.
 
2013-12-26 02:43:45 PM
I know that from my own experience. I spent most of my elementary years at Noah Webster Christian School in Cheyenne, Wyo. A tiny school, it operated out of churches on a shoestring budget

Yeah, and I'm sure all the Whole Foods/Lululemon Republicans share your views and are totally on board with having Bryce and Xander drag a mop across the private school they're shelling out $75,000 a year for.
 
2013-12-26 02:48:10 PM

vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.


Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?
 
2013-12-26 02:51:54 PM
I wish I were a republican.


No wait, here me out.

I think the flexibility it takes to repeatedly fit your head up your own ass could come in handly for me.
 
2013-12-26 02:52:41 PM
They just need a good slogan

/"Arbeit macht frei", for example
 
2013-12-26 02:52:57 PM

brigid_fitch: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?


Stranger still, these are the SAME people who biatch and moan about the nanny-state.
So which is it?
Parenting should be left to the parents, unless they are poor brown kids and then the state should raise them??
 
2013-12-26 02:54:37 PM

namatad: ANYONE who wasnt drafted or avoided the draft by joining the NG


Does it count if you actually went to war in the NG?
 
2013-12-26 02:56:28 PM

vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.


Is this satire?
 
2013-12-26 03:01:26 PM
I'm pretty sure we gave it a go with really lax child labor laws at points in our nation's history and it didn't work out very well.  I don't want to spoil the ending or anything but it turns out that our glorious job creators didn't hold them in much regard.
 
2013-12-26 03:03:38 PM
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2013-12-26 03:04:33 PM
The funny thing about this thread is that if it greenlights eventually a good number of you will make posts supporting child labor while telling the rest of us to get over it.

It's already happened. It was almost amusing.
 
2013-12-26 03:06:12 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: I'm pretty sure we gave it a go with really lax child labor laws at points in our nation's history and it didn't work out very well. .


It worked out very well...for a certain class of people (that the GOP tends to favor above all others). The Gilded Age was largely built on the backs of children of poor families.
 
2013-12-26 03:08:10 PM

vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.


Agree....but not for their food.
 
2013-12-26 03:08:28 PM

foo monkey: They want to repeal the civil rights act and the 13th Ammendment.


I've a feeling that it wouldn't stop there. They want to repeal everything, everywhere back to before the Magna Carta.

/Globalization!
 
2013-12-26 03:09:08 PM
What are the odds that Rep. Kingston has ever done a single day of manual labor in his life?
 
2013-12-26 03:09:53 PM

vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.


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2013-12-26 03:10:03 PM

brigid_fitch: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?


That's not the suggestion. The suggestion is that every kid in school should have to work, and I don't think it's a terrible one. Some small amount of time during school hours, say one hour a week, could be devoted to cleaning and chores could be rotated between the students. Not only would it give the school more money to spend on teachers or lunches, but as the author of TFA points out it would teach the kids a reasonable work ethic and give them a stake in their school.
 
2013-12-26 03:10:54 PM

Arkanaut: What are the odds that Rep. Kingston has ever done a single day of manual labor in his life?


As long as you got the Do-Re-Mi you don't have to.
 
2013-12-26 03:11:26 PM

whidbey: The funny thing about this thread is that if it greenlights eventually a good number of you will make posts supporting child labor while telling the rest of us to get over it.


I think it's a matter of degree.  Clapping erasers and wiping down desks doesn't seem unreasonable, really, but having children cleaning a school instead of an adult janitorial staff strikes me as well over the line.

Most of the article didn't bother me, and that itselfbothered me; however, I then realized that the article was really just a thinly-veiled argument for child labor, ultimately, and then my hatred for NRO was revitalized.
 
2013-12-26 03:11:52 PM

oren0: brigid_fitch: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?

That's not the suggestion. The suggestion is that every kid in school should have to work, and I don't think it's a terrible one. Some small amount of time during school hours, say one hour a week, could be devoted to cleaning and chores could be rotated between the students. Not only would it give the school more money to spend on teachers or lunches, but as the author of TFA points out it would teach the kids a reasonable work ethic and give them a stake in their school.


And before someone yells at me about child labor laws, these tasks could be made age appropriate. Maybe the second graders only clean their own desks and the chalkboard, while older kids can mop floors or whatever.
 
2013-12-26 03:12:05 PM

oren0: brigid_fitch: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?

That's not the suggestion. The suggestion is that every kid in school should have to work, and I don't think it's a terrible one. Some small amount of time during school hours, say one hour a week, could be devoted to cleaning and chores could be rotated between the students. Not only would it give the school more money to spend on teachers or lunches, but as the author of TFA points out it would teach the kids a reasonable work ethic and give them a stake in their school.


So long as the rich kids can't buy their way out of it....or buy their way to easier jobs....but you know they will.  Or their asshole rich parents will...
 
2013-12-26 03:12:55 PM
Every time a Republican derps like this, an angel commits suicide.
 
2013-12-26 03:13:04 PM

whidbey: The funny thing about this thread is that if it greenlights eventually a good number of you will make posts supporting child labor while telling the rest of us to get over it.

It's already happened. It was almost amusing.


The thing is: a national service draft ISN'T a bad idea. Not everyone needs go into the military, but a couple of years working within our cities, national parks, or in service to the nation and our citizens, that has some appeal. Teachers, cooks, folks with no trade, doctors, nurses, folks could apply their training, or learn new skill sets, and actually MEET and know folks from across this wide and weird country. That's one of the things the military used to do well, was mix and match folks so that they got to trust and rely on folks from all over. National service would eat into a LOT of private contracts that skim a fair amount of funds though, and thus it would be dirty Communo-fascism, but KIDS doing unpaid labor? THAT'S just American know how and Sticktoitiveness...
 
2013-12-26 03:13:37 PM

Diogenes: what_now: You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.

I'm all for it.


NRO would go batshait crazy over mandating an obligation to Serve the State.
 
2013-12-26 03:13:58 PM
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Not an instructional manual.
 
2013-12-26 03:15:13 PM

namatad: I quit. fark em.
I give up. I can not hate these people more than I already do.


Sure, back when I was in grade school, back in 1860, I had to help paint the school.
But mopping? And how the hell do they know that these kids dont already have jobs after school??
Sure, have the kids clean. But pay them exactly what the current janitor is making. Right? RIGHT?


WE get it. You want to repeal child labor laws. Duh.


No no no. They want to destroy the service unions by giving the jobs to kids.

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2013-12-26 03:15:25 PM

namatad: what_now: You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.

SURE!!!
But in order to be fair, we should start at the top.
ANYONE who wasnt drafted or avoided the draft by joining the NG, ANYONE who didnt server overseas, would be drafted. Starting with the oldest people and working our way down.

This would include rich people, politicians, religious, everyone. Zero deferments.
Zero hardship deferments.

This would be awesome.
ALAS, sooner or later they would get to me, but it would be worth it to watch ALL of DC get drafted. And their snowflakes.


wouldn't that be funny of conservatives pushing this... this is a totalitarian/nationalistic dare i say even communist idea...
 
2013-12-26 03:15:55 PM
 
2013-12-26 03:16:54 PM

RedPhoenix122: namatad: ANYONE who wasnt drafted or avoided the draft by joining the NG

Does it count if you actually went to war in the NG?


mhmm - hence the "served overseas"
I actually feel pretty bad about the NG who were shipped overseas for the recent wars, rather than draft for the regular army.
Meh, I guess that they are part of the reserves.
 
2013-12-26 03:17:28 PM
So you are going to take a paid adult job and replace it with unpaid child labor.  Not even super villains do that.
 
2013-12-26 03:18:03 PM

A Cave Geek: oren0: brigid_fitch: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?

That's not the suggestion. The suggestion is that every kid in school should have to work, and I don't think it's a terrible one. Some small amount of time during school hours, say one hour a week, could be devoted to cleaning and chores could be rotated between the students. Not only would it give the school more money to spend on teachers or lunches, but as the author of TFA points out it would teach the kids a reasonable work ethic and give them a stake in their school.

So long as the rich kids can't buy their way out of it....or buy their way to easier jobs....but you know they will.  Or their asshole rich parents will...


It'll teach them a valuable real-world lesson, the rich kids can bring in 5 packs of lunchables and bribe a poor kid into doing their work for them.
 
2013-12-26 03:18:05 PM

hubiestubert: whidbey: The funny thing about this thread is that if it greenlights eventually a good number of you will make posts supporting child labor while telling the rest of us to get over it.

It's already happened. It was almost amusing.

The thing is: a national service draft ISN'T a bad idea. Not everyone needs go into the military, but a couple of years working within our cities, national parks, or in service to the nation and our citizens, that has some appeal. Teachers, cooks, folks with no trade, doctors, nurses, folks could apply their training, or learn new skill sets, and actually MEET and know folks from across this wide and weird country. That's one of the things the military used to do well, was mix and match folks so that they got to trust and rely on folks from all over. National service would eat into a LOT of private contracts that skim a fair amount of funds though, and thus it would be dirty Communo-fascism, but KIDS doing unpaid labor? THAT'S just American know how and Sticktoitiveness...


I totally agree. Some sort of national service before college or before people figure out what they're going to do to support themselves.

But that wouldn't be "child labor." They'd already be 18.
 
2013-12-26 03:18:46 PM

clancifer: I have no doubt that if left unchecked, the Republican Party of today would bring back licensed slavery in a heartbeat.


Except for the little bit about slave owners were Democrats.  The Democrats even started a war over it.
 
2013-12-26 03:18:49 PM

oren0: The suggestion is that every kid in school should have to work


No.
 
2013-12-26 03:19:08 PM

ArgusRun: So you are going to take a paid adult job and replace it with unpaid child labor.  Not even super villains do that.


If it cuts taxes for the 1%, then yes.
 
2013-12-26 03:20:01 PM

Fart_Machine: Diogenes: what_now: You know, this doesn't go far enough. Everyone *should* serve their country. Not children, but 18-20 year olds, yeah. Two years in national service- military, Americorps, Teach for America, park service, etc.

How about that, is that a good idea.

I'm all for it.

NRO would go batshait crazy over mandating an obligation to Serve the State.


Fringe benefit ;-)
 
2013-12-26 03:20:02 PM

Mister Buttons: A Cave Geek: oren0: brigid_fitch: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

Not for f*cking FOOD.  You don't let kids go hungry.  And who's to say these kids don't already work after school?  Or they don't have chores at home?

That's not the suggestion. The suggestion is that every kid in school should have to work, and I don't think it's a terrible one. Some small amount of time during school hours, say one hour a week, could be devoted to cleaning and chores could be rotated between the students. Not only would it give the school more money to spend on teachers or lunches, but as the author of TFA points out it would teach the kids a reasonable work ethic and give them a stake in their school.

So long as the rich kids can't buy their way out of it....or buy their way to easier jobs....but you know they will.  Or their asshole rich parents will...

It'll teach them a valuable real-world lesson, the rich kids can bring in 5 packs of lunchables and bribe a poor kid into doing their work for them.


Just so long as teachers cannot punish the little job-creators by taking one of the lunchables to redistribute amongst the rest of the class.
 
2013-12-26 03:20:07 PM

physt: vudukungfu: What is the matter with teaching a bit of a work ethic? When I took a job off the farm, I already had an appreciation for a job that was easier than farm labor and paid me money, unlike working at the farm I lived on.

Kids these days should work.

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Heh... The second and fifth photos are from the textile mills in my hometown of Fall River, MA, I believe.

I have no doubt many Republicans would love to go back to the days of child labor and robber barons.
 
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