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2013-12-26 04:22:00 PM  
20 votes:

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.


You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their influence will affect our own lives, simply through their influence on your vote. To this day, their has not been a single non-christian President. It's time for the collective madness of worshiping imaginary friends to end. More and more people are waking up to reality, and the GOP's political power is waning as a result. Interpret it as bitterness all you like. Your own relevance is at stake.
2013-12-26 02:34:31 PM  
8 votes:
Religion is a magnet for the mentally ill.
2013-12-26 03:18:29 PM  
7 votes:
If a medication makes it impossible for your deity to talk to you then you have selected a pretty lame god.
2013-12-26 10:20:34 AM  
7 votes:
Wow,


I wonder how long it will be before he goes out and hurts someone or himself based on the voice of jesus telling him to.
2013-12-26 04:48:30 PM  
4 votes:

whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia


all of them
2013-12-26 03:35:49 PM  
4 votes:

uncoveror: I have a friend named Phil. He gives me advice when I need it. He tells me what to do when I bring my problems to him. There is not a more important person in my life than Phil.

No one else has ever seen Phil, he is invisible. No one else can hear Phil, but I hear him. I know he is there. I know he is real.

You probably think I am not right in the head, and need a coat that ties in the back and a padded room. Phil is not real, and I need to be drugged up and counseled until I realize that.

Why is it suddenly OK if instead of Phil, my imaginary friend's name is Jesus?


Well that's using logic. If religious people had any grasp of logic, they wouldn't be religious.
2013-12-26 03:32:53 PM  
4 votes:
I have a friend named Phil. He gives me advice when I need it. He tells me what to do when I bring my problems to him. There is not a more important person in my life than Phil.

No one else has ever seen Phil, he is invisible. No one else can hear Phil, but I hear him. I know he is there. I know he is real.

You probably think I am not right in the head, and need a coat that ties in the back and a padded room. Phil is not real, and I need to be drugged up and counseled until I realize that.

Why is it suddenly OK if instead of Phil, my imaginary friend's name is Jesus?
2013-12-26 03:08:51 PM  
4 votes:
If a man says he talks to God, we nod and shake our head. If a man says he talks to God through his toaster, we think he's crazy.

Why should the addition of an appliance make a difference?
2013-12-26 03:04:01 PM  
4 votes:
If you talk to God then you're religious, if God talks back then you need help.
2013-12-26 02:37:47 PM  
4 votes:
"However, in (Stephen's) case, the religiosity that he manifested started five years ago and led him to behave in a way that was substantially dangerous to himself, and could have killed him," the psychiatrist said. "And it doesn't come from a cultural, historical context. It comes out of the blue."
The voices were back, the psychiatrist said, and that meant Stephen was a danger to himself again.

"In any event, even if Stephen's beliefs did come about suddenly, this should not undermine their validity," the opinion says. "More to the point, there was nothing harmful or dangerous about Stephen's religious beliefs or experiences. ... Further, as Stephen points out in his brief, if 'chronic psychosis' means merely a continuation of his current symptoms, namely a persistent sense that Jesus is speaking to him and telling him to attend church, follow his teachings, and have an optimistic outlook on the future, that condition would in no way compromise Stephen's capacity to function independently or live safely."


Good thing judges suddenly know more than psychiatrists. It'd be awesome if they could be sued for letting crazy out into the world to kill himself and others.
2013-12-26 11:25:05 AM  
4 votes:
I lean the other way.
Church going people should all be committed.
2013-12-26 05:00:52 PM  
3 votes:

Son of Thunder: Wenchmaster: I'm not a psychiatrist, don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I could be wrong on this. I was under the impression that hearing voices was one of the very few definitive red lines for whether or not someone was mentally ill. Anyone with a better background in psychology or neuroscience out there who could weigh in?

There's "crazy", then there's "crazy enough to warrant involuntary commitment". Nobody's denying that he's the first, the question is whether or not he's dangerous enough to be the second. If all he's doing at the moment is annoying people with crazy Jesus-talk, that's not dangerous enough. We don't just lock up anyone who is mentally I'll.
The counter argument is that he got dangerous last time, so let's lock him up before he does it again.


Hearing voices is a pretty solid line to cross over. The voice may say be instructing sweet and innocent things now, but you don't know what's causing it. And if you don't know what's causing it you don't know how to keep it from either getting worse or reversing it if it does get worse. On top of it since HE is the only one who hears the voice you can't monitor what the voice is telling him to do. And if he's hearing voices how can we trust his other faculties are functioning properly? You already know there's something amiss either chemically or biologically, what other brain functions does that affect?
You are not supposed to hear voices from people not there.
2013-12-26 04:28:24 PM  
3 votes:
WTF. Seriously if this nutter the Alaska SC just set free ends up killing someone , the justices should be sued for wrongful death as their action resulted in the guy having the opportunity to do so.

if he tried to take his own life which he did he needs some inpatient time to get himself in order.

/has dealt with depression for years and i hope this guy gets himself straighten out.
2013-12-26 03:55:19 PM  
3 votes:

Lee451: I'll be praying for you.


Cool, I'll be doing a rain dance for you.  It'll be just as effective, but at least I'll have better quads.
2013-12-26 03:48:53 PM  
3 votes:
"I hear a voice in my head."
"You're nuts!"
"He says his name is 'Jesus'."
"Hallelujah!"


Would it really be all that different is the guy had said the voice's name was "Bob"?

i.canvasugc.com

Nucking futs is nucking futs, no matter what name it uses.
2013-12-26 04:32:09 PM  
2 votes:

IamTomJoad: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.

At least when an atheist is hateful and bitter they are honest about it and don't try and justify it by cherry picking from a translated work of fiction.

But, I do thank you for your prayers for me as it is truly the very LEAST you can do.


In fact, praying is them doing nothing whatsofarkingever while feeling a smug superiority about it. I always have the urge to ask people who claim to be praying for someone else who's in trouble "How bout you go and actually help that person first hand?"
2013-12-26 04:25:58 PM  
2 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.

You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...


While I wouldn't have been quite so blunt, well spoken!  "In the name of God" is a universal precursor to an atrocity.
2013-12-26 03:48:45 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-12-26 03:36:39 PM  
2 votes:

uncoveror: Why is it suddenly OK if instead of Phil, my imaginary friend's name is Jesus?


If your family would have spent hours and hours telling you about Phil when you were a child, it would be okay.
2013-12-26 03:14:43 PM  
2 votes:
I'm not a psychiatrist, don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I could be wrong on this. I was under the impression that hearing voices was one of the very few definitive red lines for whether or not someone was mentally ill. Anyone with a better background in psychology or neuroscience out there who could weigh in?
2013-12-26 03:06:58 PM  
2 votes:
In the late 21st century it will be discovered that religious belief is neurological disorder.
2013-12-26 10:45:48 AM  
2 votes:
When he heard lucifer he was committed. When he heard Jesus he was ok?
2013-12-27 01:54:15 PM  
1 votes:

Bonzo_1116: The Southern Dandy: Bonzo_1116: Smoking GNU: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

all of them

Don't be so close-minded about visions.  Sometimes it's shrooms.  And other times it's deliberately induced states of altered consciousness:

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And sometimes it's shamanistic trances:
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Not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying that visions produced by shrooms or dizziness or schizophrenia should be given credence as real?

I'm saying not all religious visions are the result of schizophrenia/mental illness.  Sometimes people get high or trance out intentionally to have religous visions.  Frankly, I'd have more trust in some guy who said he fasted for 10 days and said 4,000 rosaries to talk to God than some loon with a chemical imbalance in his noggin.  At least the guy high on hunger has a game plan.


What's the difference if the chemical imbalance in the brain is caused by disease, drugs, or starvation/dehydration?  Chemical imbalance is chemical imbalance. Either way, the brain ain't working right.
2013-12-26 05:51:49 PM  
1 votes:

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.



People who are laughing are not usually hateful and bitter.  It's almost as if you're looking at a mirror and not a monitor.
2013-12-26 05:50:40 PM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...

Why do you care what anyone believes?

/You sound concerned.


Because too many people who get their belief system bolstered by a book that says it is ok to sell my kids into slavery and murder someone for working on Sunday (or was it Saturday.. y'all can't make up your minds there) are allowed to decide LAWS in the country.

Or, you know... Just ask a woman in Texas. They will likely tell you.
2013-12-26 05:18:06 PM  
1 votes:

Son of Thunder: Wenchmaster: I'm not a psychiatrist, don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I could be wrong on this. I was under the impression that hearing voices was one of the very few definitive red lines for whether or not someone was mentally ill. Anyone with a better background in psychology or neuroscience out there who could weigh in?

There's "crazy", then there's "crazy enough to warrant involuntary commitment". Nobody's denying that he's the first, the question is whether or not he's dangerous enough to be the second. If all he's doing at the moment is annoying people with crazy Jesus-talk, that's not dangerous enough. We don't just lock up anyone who is mentally I'll.
The counter argument is that he got dangerous last time, so let's lock him up before he does it again.


To be involuntarily committed, a patient must be at imminent risk of harming themselves or others, or unable to tend to their own basic needs of survival due to severe psychosis. Walk around any major city and you will find any number of people walking the streets talking to themselves and responding to internal stimuli. Can't just scoop them off the street and involuntarily commit them. Even when patients with suicidal ideations, gestures, or attempts are committed, they are most of the time discharged in a couple of days and are responsible for taking their own meds by themselves or with the help of a family member or spouse if possible. Gone are the days of One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest where patients are involuntarily committed for weeks or years on end, except in heinous murder cases where they are found guilty by reason of insanity.
2013-12-26 05:13:26 PM  
1 votes:

Kali-Yuga: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

Temporal lobe epilepsy is more likely, but yes, auditory and visual hallucinations like those experienced by Paul, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Joan of Arc, and many others have a completely natural and rational explanation.


What about all the people that just take their word for it?

"He says God talks to him. Seems legit. Let's follow him and give him money."
2013-12-26 05:12:48 PM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: In the late 21st century it will be discovered acknowledgedthat religious belief is neurological disorder.


FTFY
2013-12-26 05:10:53 PM  
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Why do you care what anyone believes?


Because people form opinions on government from those beliefs, and they vote.

Abstinence-Only education everybody!
2013-12-26 05:07:38 PM  
1 votes:

wildsnowllama: Hearing voices is a pretty solid line to cross over. The voice may say be instructing sweet and innocent things now, but you don't know what's causing it. And if you don't know what's causing it you don't know how to keep it from either getting worse or reversing it if it does get worse. On top of it since HE is the only one who hears the voice you can't monitor what the voice is telling him to do. And if he's hearing voices how can we trust his other faculties are functioning properly? You already know there's something amiss either chemically or biologically, what other brain functions does that affect?
You are not supposed to hear voices from people not there.


This is why we do an assessment.  For many people with schizophrenia, all they have to do is stay on their meds and receive proper psychosocial support, and there's no need to take away their rights.  Even if they don't take their meds, we cannot lock them up unless they are a danger to themselves or others, and being crazy is not by itself a good enough reason.  As a general rule, we don't lock people up because of what we think they might do at some point in the future (the Tom Cruise movie notwithstanding).  We have to wait until they actually do something dangerous.  Not just crazy.  Dangerous.
2013-12-26 04:55:24 PM  
1 votes:

whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia


Temporal lobe epilepsy is more likely, but yes, auditory and visual hallucinations like those experienced by Paul, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Joan of Arc, and many others have a completely natural and rational explanation.
2013-12-26 04:46:13 PM  
1 votes:
This will end well.

/The judges should be committed, too.
2013-12-26 04:33:14 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.
/I'll be praying for you.


You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...


img219.imageshack.us
2013-12-26 04:28:50 PM  
1 votes:

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.


At least when an atheist is hateful and bitter they are honest about it and don't try and justify it by cherry picking from a translated work of fiction.

But, I do thank you for your prayers for me as it is truly the very LEAST you can do.
2013-12-26 04:26:22 PM  
1 votes:
If the voice in you head is telling you to kill yourself chances are it's not Jesus.
2013-12-26 04:24:10 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:  "A person's religious beliefs, if they come from how the person was raised, are generally considered rational."


i4.asntown.net
2013-12-26 04:23:05 PM  
1 votes:
I love the cognotive dissonance from religious people when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Pray to invisible man? Not crazy
Believe invisible man runs your life? Not crazy
Believe that invisible man talks to you? Not crazy
Some other guy claims invisible man talks to him? Crazy
2013-12-26 04:19:18 PM  
1 votes:

Canton: special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]

Never trust Aryan Jesus.


You mean "The Nazi of Nazareth"?
i.imgur.com
2013-12-26 04:14:30 PM  
1 votes:
If you believe you have seen...
...a ghost...
...Bigfoot...
...a UFO (in the "alien spaceship" context)...
...the monster of Loch Ness...
...Mothman...
...you are labeled a loon.

But say you've seen Jesus, and you are just religiously devout.

Make fun of any of the former and it's fair game, but ridicule someone's belief when they call it a religion? Tsk tsk.

That said, I agree with FreeLawyer.
2013-12-26 04:13:33 PM  
1 votes:

Trocadero: Deucednuisance: ghettodwarf: because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.

OK, Mr. Smartypants, how do YOU make toast, then?  Holding a piece of bread over a hot burner with a fork?

[www.tenaflyguy.com image 480x360]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 240x180]

Coat hanger, duh!


Hey you sleaze! That's my bed!
2013-12-26 03:59:19 PM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: In the late 21st century it will be discovered that religious belief is neurological disorder.


His family already have:

"(Stephen would) ... talk about Jesus and going to church, and his behavior was "creeping her out." It was the same sort of behavior that led up to Stephen's prior suicide attempt, the father said."
2013-12-26 03:51:35 PM  
1 votes:

special20: ghettodwarf: because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.

Amateurs.
Use an iron.
Behold! I am backing that statement with a chart for my own self assurance and your edification.

[torontovintagebikes.com image 728x482]



You skipped "WOOL."


THE GRAPH IS A LIE!!1!
2013-12-26 03:49:59 PM  
1 votes:
It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.
2013-12-26 03:48:09 PM  
1 votes:
This is the best part:

"potentially limiting the man's options for employment or owning guns."

Because that's what's important.
2013-12-26 03:43:55 PM  
1 votes:

ghettodwarf: because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.


Amateurs.
Use an iron.
Behold! I am backing that statement with a chart for my own self assurance and your edification.

torontovintagebikes.com
2013-12-26 03:42:36 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-12-26 03:42:20 PM  
1 votes:

Sofa King Smart: A Cave Geek: You talk to god, you're religious....God talks to you, you're insane.  Seems pretty simple to me.  What's this court's problem?

so if some chick named 'Mary', who happens to be a virgin, tells her fiance that she's pregnant with god's child... she should be committed to an institution?  And when angels appear to her fiance and tell him it's ok... she's not a slut, name the kid 'Jesus' and just go with it... he should also be committed to an institution?  Seems like you think that some modern human 'judges' should have the ability to overrule 'the mystery of faith' or something...


um....WTF????
2013-12-26 03:29:21 PM  
1 votes:

Deucednuisance: ghettodwarf: because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.

OK, Mr. Smartypants, how do YOU make toast, then?  Holding a piece of bread over a hot burner with a fork?

[www.tenaflyguy.com image 480x360]


1.bp.blogspot.com

Coat hanger, duh!
2013-12-26 03:24:40 PM  
1 votes:
Remember the population of Alaska is smaller than the fifth largest city in Texas. Your state may have a town or two larger. If so your municipal Court has just been challenged.
2013-12-26 03:21:42 PM  
1 votes:
He's already hurt himself by jumping off a ledge, from the article:

"He broke his ankle, gashed his head, sustained a concussion, and was temporarily wheelchair-bound as a result"
2013-12-26 03:11:51 PM  
1 votes:
So you're sane as long as you worship the voices in your head. Got it. Thank you, unbiased Christian judge!
2013-12-26 03:01:12 PM  
1 votes:

Ennuipoet: [www.thegreatdeejays.com image 445x668]
"Go take a shiat on the salad bar at Wendys!"


Damnit to hell I miss him so much
2013-12-26 01:33:52 PM  
1 votes:
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