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2013-12-26 05:13:26 PM

Kali-Yuga: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

Temporal lobe epilepsy is more likely, but yes, auditory and visual hallucinations like those experienced by Paul, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Joan of Arc, and many others have a completely natural and rational explanation.


What about all the people that just take their word for it?

"He says God talks to him. Seems legit. Let's follow him and give him money."
 
2013-12-26 05:14:21 PM

impaler: HindiDiscoMonster: Why do you care what anyone believes?

Because people form opinions on government from those beliefs, and they vote.

Abstinence-Only education everybody!


you know what is funny about voting? every citizen of age gets to do it...
I guess you just don't have the numbers right now... that means you don't get to dictate to the majority, so I am afraid you will have to live with it till Atheists become the majority.
 
2013-12-26 05:16:52 PM

ltdanman44: Ennuipoet: [www.thegreatdeejays.com image 445x668]
"Go take a shiat on the salad bar at Wendys!"

Damnit to hell I miss him so much


But I'll bet nobody misses the salad bar at Wendy's.
/double Baconator, that's where it's at
 
2013-12-26 05:18:06 PM

Son of Thunder: Wenchmaster: I'm not a psychiatrist, don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I could be wrong on this. I was under the impression that hearing voices was one of the very few definitive red lines for whether or not someone was mentally ill. Anyone with a better background in psychology or neuroscience out there who could weigh in?

There's "crazy", then there's "crazy enough to warrant involuntary commitment". Nobody's denying that he's the first, the question is whether or not he's dangerous enough to be the second. If all he's doing at the moment is annoying people with crazy Jesus-talk, that's not dangerous enough. We don't just lock up anyone who is mentally I'll.
The counter argument is that he got dangerous last time, so let's lock him up before he does it again.


To be involuntarily committed, a patient must be at imminent risk of harming themselves or others, or unable to tend to their own basic needs of survival due to severe psychosis. Walk around any major city and you will find any number of people walking the streets talking to themselves and responding to internal stimuli. Can't just scoop them off the street and involuntarily commit them. Even when patients with suicidal ideations, gestures, or attempts are committed, they are most of the time discharged in a couple of days and are responsible for taking their own meds by themselves or with the help of a family member or spouse if possible. Gone are the days of One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest where patients are involuntarily committed for weeks or years on end, except in heinous murder cases where they are found guilty by reason of insanity.
 
2013-12-26 05:18:55 PM
"Depends which Jesus we're talking about."

I've heard about that right wing Jesus and seen the cartoons, not him.
As for Hammertoe's screed, get some counseling or medication, buddy.
I get aggravated with Fark "athies" (militants) and others, that doesn't inspire me to go wreak vengeance upon groups of people who may just happen to have the same group name.
 
v15
2013-12-26 05:20:33 PM
The hate is coming from the anti-religious commenters.
 
2013-12-26 05:21:41 PM

HAMMERTOE: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.

You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...


Settle down. If it'll make you feel any better I'll pray to Cthulhu for you.
 
2013-12-26 05:22:49 PM

v15: The hate is coming from the anti-religious commenters.


It's because they don't feel they have a holiday... they are jealous.
The funny thing is, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ. It's about commercialism, so they should feel right at home using it as their holiday.

/Marry Commercialism, and a Happly Yule year.
 
2013-12-26 05:24:00 PM

Danger Avoid Death: HAMMERTOE: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.

You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know t ...


I remember many many years ago Dragon magazine made a monster manual entry for God and for Satan... almost everything was listed as Infinite... it was funny as shiat.
 
2013-12-26 05:26:37 PM

A Cave Geek: Sofa King Smart: A Cave Geek: You talk to god, you're religious....God talks to you, you're insane.  Seems pretty simple to me.  What's this court's problem?

so if some chick named 'Mary', who happens to be a virgin, tells her fiance that she's pregnant with god's child... she should be committed to an institution?  And when angels appear to her fiance and tell him it's ok... she's not a slut, name the kid 'Jesus' and just go with it... he should also be committed to an institution?  Seems like you think that some modern human 'judges' should have the ability to overrule 'the mystery of faith' or something...

um....WTF????


thousands of years of history and multiple religious institutions are based on the fact that people heard voices, attributed those voices to either God or jesus or moroni... and did what the voices told them to do... this guy just might be the next joseph smith, mohammed... founding the next big thing... and you want to just dismiss him as 'insane'?...  I think he should have his own reality show... he would easily be more entertaining than derp dynasty.  maybe we could make it like American Idol and let the viewers vote each week to decide if he's religious or insane.
 
2013-12-26 05:36:26 PM

Voiceofreason01: ArcadianRefugee: But you keep praying for the problem to go away instead of trying to do something about it.

Because religious organizations never engage in charity? And since there are no problems that can't be solved simply by showing up, Christians are assholes for expressing sympathy and letting someone know that they'll be thinking of them.


Yes, that's exactly what I said, and why I said it.

Bra. Vo.
 
2013-12-26 05:38:40 PM

Ghastly: Trocadero: Deucednuisance: ghettodwarf: because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.

OK, Mr. Smartypants, how do YOU make toast, then?  Holding a piece of bread over a hot burner with a fork?

[www.tenaflyguy.com image 480x360]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 240x180]

Coat hanger, duh!

Hey you sleaze! That's my bed!


How often does the train go by?
 
2013-12-26 05:47:49 PM
I dunno, most religious fundies in my book are crazy, so how is he any different? You would have to say that all the televangelists that "hear god telling them this or that" are cheap money grabbing hacks, or...crazy. I'm sure its the former though. But whatever, most uber right wing religious wack jobs are about half round the bend anyway.
 
2013-12-26 05:48:11 PM
Atheism is caused by mental defects, in particular Autism spectrum disabilities.

Just as ASD sufferers have problems connecting and relating to other people they also have problems connecting with God. They may be more logical but less human.

Technocratic aspies cannot understand what is missing from their mental outlook but are trying to refashion society into disconnected individuals which is the only way they can understand the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autis m- Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html
 
2013-12-26 05:50:40 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...

Why do you care what anyone believes?

/You sound concerned.


Because too many people who get their belief system bolstered by a book that says it is ok to sell my kids into slavery and murder someone for working on Sunday (or was it Saturday.. y'all can't make up your minds there) are allowed to decide LAWS in the country.

Or, you know... Just ask a woman in Texas. They will likely tell you.
 
2013-12-26 05:51:49 PM

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.



People who are laughing are not usually hateful and bitter.  It's almost as if you're looking at a mirror and not a monitor.
 
2013-12-26 05:53:47 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: I guess you just don't have the numbers right now... that means you don't get to dictate to the majority, so I am afraid you will have to live with it till Atheists become the majority.


Spoken like someone who's lucky enough to live in a place where the prevailing religion just happens to be the same as their own.
 
2013-12-26 05:53:49 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: impaler: HindiDiscoMonster: Why do you care what anyone believes?

Because people form opinions on government from those beliefs, and they vote.

Abstinence-Only education everybody!

you know what is funny about voting? every citizen of age gets to do it...
I guess you just don't have the numbers right now... that means you don't get to dictate to the majority, so I am afraid you will have to live with it till Atheists become the majority.


The fact that Abstinence-Only education is a bad idea isn't an atheist belief, sparky.
 
2013-12-26 05:57:46 PM

HairBolus: Atheism is caused by mental defects, in particular Autism spectrum disabilities.

Just as ASD sufferers have problems connecting and relating to other people they also have problems connecting with God. They may be more logical but less human.

Technocratic aspies cannot understand what is missing from their mental outlook but are trying to refashion society into disconnected individuals which is the only way they can understand the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autis m- Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html


So Religion is a communicable social disease?
 
2013-12-26 06:04:33 PM

HairBolus: Atheism is caused by mental defects, in particular Autism spectrum disabilities.

Just as ASD sufferers have problems connecting and relating to other people they also have problems connecting with God. They may be more logical but less human.

Technocratic aspies cannot understand what is missing from their mental outlook but are trying to refashion society into disconnected individuals which is the only way they can understand the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autis m- Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html


Aww, how cute, you think a science article from the Daily Fail should be taken seriously.
 
2013-12-26 06:05:32 PM

Shadow Blasko: HindiDiscoMonster: Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...

Why do you care what anyone believes?

/You sound concerned.

Because too many people who get their belief system bolstered by a book that says it is ok to sell my kids into slavery and murder someone for working on Sunday (or was it Saturday.. y'all can't make up your minds there) are allowed to decide LAWS in the country.

Or, you know... Just ask a woman in Texas. They will likely tell you.


you are funny... truly. Are you a famous comedian or just a no-name?
 
2013-12-26 06:05:40 PM

HairBolus: Atheism is caused by mental defects, in particular Autism spectrum disabilities.

Just as ASD sufferers have problems connecting and relating to other people they also have problems connecting with God. They may be more logical but less human.

Technocratic aspies cannot understand what is missing from their mental outlook but are trying to refashion society into disconnected individuals which is the only way they can understand the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2039690/Atheism-autis m- Controversial-new-study-points-link-two.html


Did... did you just call people with autism less human? While citing the Daily Fail of all things?

Wow.

This should be good.

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-26 06:06:45 PM

Man On Pink Corner: HindiDiscoMonster: I guess you just don't have the numbers right now... that means you don't get to dictate to the majority, so I am afraid you will have to live with it till Atheists become the majority.

Spoken like someone who's lucky enough to live in a place where the prevailing religion just happens to be the same as their own.


doesn't matter what my beliefs are. even if they outlawed my beliefs, that would not change them.
 
2013-12-26 06:08:41 PM

impaler: HindiDiscoMonster: impaler: HindiDiscoMonster: Why do you care what anyone believes?

Because people form opinions on government from those beliefs, and they vote.

Abstinence-Only education everybody!

you know what is funny about voting? every citizen of age gets to do it...
I guess you just don't have the numbers right now... that means you don't get to dictate to the majority, so I am afraid you will have to live with it till Atheists become the majority.

The fact that Abstinence-Only education is a bad idea isn't an atheist belief, sparky.


really? that entire diatribe was just about abstinence-only education? wow... I don't even.
maybe you should have opened with that and made the rest of it an after-thought since abstinence only seems to be the real key issue for you.
 
2013-12-26 06:08:42 PM

Smoking GNU: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

all of them


Don't be so close-minded about visions.  Sometimes it's shrooms.  And other times it's deliberately induced states of altered consciousness:

msnbcmedia.msn.com

And sometimes it's shamanistic trances:
ngm.nationalgeographic.com
 
2013-12-26 06:08:48 PM
When I'd listen to sermons in church as a kid, it always struck me when they would mention hearing the voice of Jesus in a vision or some such thing. At first you think hey, maybe society spent a lot of money and effort building churches and trying to communicate with this guy, and it just takes a lot of practice to get to where he decides to speak to you like he did with the priest, but that didn't last very long.
 
2013-12-26 06:09:47 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Man On Pink Corner: HindiDiscoMonster: I guess you just don't have the numbers right now... that means you don't get to dictate to the majority, so I am afraid you will have to live with it till Atheists become the majority.

Spoken like someone who's lucky enough to live in a place where the prevailing religion just happens to be the same as their own.

doesn't matter what my beliefs are. even if they outlawed my beliefs, that would not change them.


When they outlaw beliefs, people will only believe in outlaws. ... er ... or something like that ...
 
2013-12-26 06:11:50 PM

special20: give me doughnuts: You skipped "WOOL."

...and here's why.
[media.tumblr.com image 384x283]


www.funfive.net
 
2013-12-26 06:15:29 PM

Mantour: [i.imgur.com image 500x375]


Am I bad for liking these and want to see more?
 
2013-12-26 06:15:55 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: really? that entire diatribe was just about abstinence-only education? wow... I don't even.
maybe you should have opened with that and made the rest of it an after-thought since abstinence only seems to be the real key issue for you.


I see what the problem is.

You're an idiot.
 
2013-12-26 06:28:12 PM

v15: The hate is coming from the anti-religious commenters.


Feeling left out for once?
 
2013-12-26 06:43:50 PM
www.morethings.com

Of course, these Jeebus-hearers don't always hear things amenable to Red State ears.


/Investment banks: the new slave-holders?  Discuss.
 
2013-12-26 06:44:00 PM

uncoveror: I have a friend named Phil. He gives me advice when I need it. He tells me what to do when I bring my problems to him. There is not a more important person in my life than Phil.

No one else has ever seen Phil, he is invisible. No one else can hear Phil, but I hear him. I know he is there. I know he is real.

You probably think I am not right in the head, and need a coat that ties in the back and a padded room. Phil is not real, and I need to be drugged up and counseled until I realize that.


It depends. Part of being mentally ill is that you aren't a functional member of society. If you are doing well at work, caring for yourself and your dependents, and not hurting anyone, and you want to spend your free time talking to Phil, who is anyone else to judge you? Certainly locking you in a padded room at that point would be immoral and a violation of your natural rights.
 
2013-12-26 06:46:21 PM

A Cave Geek: BMFPitt: A Cave Geek: You talk to god, you're religious....God talks to you, you're insane.  Seems pretty simple to me.  What's this court's problem?

Did the voice sound like Alan Rickman?

Ian McKellan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5evsxRdkJw
 
2013-12-26 06:48:44 PM

Bonzo_1116: Smoking GNU: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

all of them

Don't be so close-minded about visions.  Sometimes it's shrooms.  And other times it's deliberately induced states of altered consciousness:

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 850x561]

And sometimes it's shamanistic trances:
[ngm.nationalgeographic.com image 670x447]


Not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying that visions produced by shrooms or dizziness or schizophrenia should be given credence as real?
 
2013-12-26 06:51:31 PM
Alaska: Improving Florida's reputation since 2008!
 
2013-12-26 06:59:23 PM

Voiceofreason01: IamTomJoad: At least when an atheist is hateful and bitter they are honest about it and don't try and justify it by cherry picking from a translated work of fiction.


lol, as if there aren't secular justifications for doing terrible things. This idea that some of you have that atheists are somehow morally or intellectually superior to people of faith is just as stupid and misguided as when people of faith believe the opposite.


At least a debate can take place.

When your default to a discussion is "it's the word of god" you leave precious little to talk about after that.
 
2013-12-26 07:19:55 PM

ghettodwarf: dstanley: If a man says he talks to God, we nod and shake our head. If a man says he talks to God through his toaster, we think he's crazy.

Why should the addition of an appliance make a difference?

because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.



I do, how else are you going to make toast?

www.anorak.co.uk
 
2013-12-26 07:35:01 PM
All gun applications should have only one question: Do you have invisible friends?
 
2013-12-26 07:41:46 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Part of being mentally ill is that you aren't a functional member of society.


The other part is Fark.
 
2013-12-26 07:45:51 PM

The Southern Dandy: Bonzo_1116: Smoking GNU: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

all of them

Don't be so close-minded about visions.  Sometimes it's shrooms.  And other times it's deliberately induced states of altered consciousness:

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 850x561]

And sometimes it's shamanistic trances:
[ngm.nationalgeographic.com image 670x447]

Not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying that visions produced by shrooms or dizziness or schizophrenia should be given credence as real?


I'm saying not all religious visions are the result of schizophrenia/mental illness.  Sometimes people get high or trance out intentionally to have religous visions.  Frankly, I'd have more trust in some guy who said he fasted for 10 days and said 4,000 rosaries to talk to God than some loon with a chemical imbalance in his noggin.  At least the guy high on hunger has a game plan.
 
2013-12-26 07:48:41 PM
"And stop touching yourself!"
 
2013-12-26 08:03:52 PM

Saborlas: "And stop touching yourself!"


"It was hot...and I was hungry!!"
 
2013-12-26 08:46:59 PM

johnryan51: When he heard lucifer he was committed. When he heard Jesus he was ok?


I wonder how he could tell which voice belonged to which.
 
2013-12-26 08:54:38 PM

BMFPitt: A Cave Geek: You talk to god, you're religious....God talks to you, you're insane.  Seems pretty simple to me.  What's this court's problem?

Did the voice sound like Alan Rickman?


That would be really cool.
 
2013-12-26 09:00:47 PM
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-12-26 09:03:00 PM
I hear Jesus talk in my head all the time.  The weird thing is he talks just like me; same language, slang, inflection.  Weird.
 
2013-12-26 09:21:00 PM
You know who else heard God?

4.bp.blogspot.com

/hot link just like Bailey.
 
2013-12-26 11:01:33 PM

Bonzo_1116: The Southern Dandy: Bonzo_1116: Smoking GNU: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

all of them

Don't be so close-minded about visions.  Sometimes it's shrooms.  And other times it's deliberately induced states of altered consciousness:

[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 850x561]

And sometimes it's shamanistic trances:
[ngm.nationalgeographic.com image 670x447]

Not sure I understand what you're saying.  Are you saying that visions produced by shrooms or dizziness or schizophrenia should be given credence as real?

I'm saying not all religious visions are the result of schizophrenia/mental illness.  Sometimes people get high or trance out intentionally to have religous visions.  Frankly, I'd have more trust in some guy who said he fasted for 10 days and said 4,000 rosaries to talk to God than some loon with a chemical imbalance in his noggin.  At least the guy high on hunger has a game plan.


Whether it's from a chemical imbalance, or artificially induced, it's all the same to me.
 
2013-12-26 11:54:19 PM
I don't always hear voices in my head, but when I do,,,
I card
 
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