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(Anchorage Daily News)   Guy hears Jesus talking to him. Alaska Supreme Court: "He's not crazy, just another good church-going fellow"   (adn.com) divider line 153
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2013-12-26 04:03:14 PM  
Well, I mean, what Judge could actually go against Jesus?  Now if it was Satan, they could have easily had the poor man burned at the stake!
 
2013-12-26 04:04:12 PM  

special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]


Never trust Aryan Jesus.
 
2013-12-26 04:05:57 PM  
I just read the decision. The Supreme Court got it right. The trial judge did not bother to read the entire doctor's report before the hearing, acknowledged that the guys appearance was far better than most people facing involuntary confinement and based his decision in large part because the guys daughter said he was acting creepy. Not only didn't she testify she didn't even talk to the doctor.
/atheist for those in the thread accusing us of not playing nice
 
2013-12-26 04:12:12 PM  

FreeLawyer: I just read the decision. The Supreme Court got it right. The trial judge did not bother to read the entire doctor's report before the hearing, acknowledged that the guys appearance was far better than most people facing involuntary confinement and based his decision in large part because the guys daughter said he was acting creepy. Not only didn't she testify she didn't even talk to the doctor.
/atheist for those in the thread accusing us of not playing nice


Ahh, so, the Devil is in the details.
sweet
 
2013-12-26 04:13:33 PM  

Trocadero: Deucednuisance: ghettodwarf: because who uses a toaster anymore...I mean really.

OK, Mr. Smartypants, how do YOU make toast, then?  Holding a piece of bread over a hot burner with a fork?

[www.tenaflyguy.com image 480x360]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 240x180]

Coat hanger, duh!


Hey you sleaze! That's my bed!
 
2013-12-26 04:14:30 PM  
If you believe you have seen...
...a ghost...
...Bigfoot...
...a UFO (in the "alien spaceship" context)...
...the monster of Loch Ness...
...Mothman...
...you are labeled a loon.

But say you've seen Jesus, and you are just religiously devout.

Make fun of any of the former and it's fair game, but ridicule someone's belief when they call it a religion? Tsk tsk.

That said, I agree with FreeLawyer.
 
2013-12-26 04:15:09 PM  

Canton: special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]

Never trust Aryan Jesus.


Drunk and bitter or nothing.
 
2013-12-26 04:18:33 PM  

Canton: special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]

Never trust Aryan Jesus.


Drunk and Bitter Jesus is my personal savior.

/high-five!
/eew, stigmata juice
 
2013-12-26 04:18:36 PM  
I heard the voice of Drew Curtis, saying "Buy TotalFark, just $5 a month."
 
2013-12-26 04:19:18 PM  

Canton: special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]

Never trust Aryan Jesus.


You mean "The Nazi of Nazareth"?
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-26 04:22:00 PM  

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.


You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their influence will affect our own lives, simply through their influence on your vote. To this day, their has not been a single non-christian President. It's time for the collective madness of worshiping imaginary friends to end. More and more people are waking up to reality, and the GOP's political power is waning as a result. Interpret it as bitterness all you like. Your own relevance is at stake.
 
2013-12-26 04:23:05 PM  
I love the cognotive dissonance from religious people when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Pray to invisible man? Not crazy
Believe invisible man runs your life? Not crazy
Believe that invisible man talks to you? Not crazy
Some other guy claims invisible man talks to him? Crazy
 
2013-12-26 04:24:01 PM  

nocturnal001: I love the cognotive dissonance from religious people when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Pray to invisible man? Not crazy
Believe invisible man runs your life? Not crazy
Believe that invisible man talks to you? Not crazy
Some other guy claims invisible man talks to him? Crazy


*arg, hit add before I fixed my misspelling
 
2013-12-26 04:24:10 PM  
FTA:  "A person's religious beliefs, if they come from how the person was raised, are generally considered rational."


i4.asntown.net
 
2013-12-26 04:25:58 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.

You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...


While I wouldn't have been quite so blunt, well spoken!  "In the name of God" is a universal precursor to an atrocity.
 
2013-12-26 04:26:22 PM  
If the voice in you head is telling you to kill yourself chances are it's not Jesus.
 
2013-12-26 04:28:24 PM  
WTF. Seriously if this nutter the Alaska SC just set free ends up killing someone , the justices should be sued for wrongful death as their action resulted in the guy having the opportunity to do so.

if he tried to take his own life which he did he needs some inpatient time to get himself in order.

/has dealt with depression for years and i hope this guy gets himself straighten out.
 
2013-12-26 04:28:50 PM  

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.


At least when an atheist is hateful and bitter they are honest about it and don't try and justify it by cherry picking from a translated work of fiction.

But, I do thank you for your prayers for me as it is truly the very LEAST you can do.
 
2013-12-26 04:30:59 PM  

special20: Canton: special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]

Never trust Aryan Jesus.

You mean "The Nazi of Nazareth"?
[i.imgur.com image 700x437]


Hah! That... would explain so much.

/Except why he allied himself with Italy
//Damn Romans
 
2013-12-26 04:32:09 PM  

Prey4reign: He should move to Texas or Arizona.  He'd be hearing from a lot of Jesuses.


And probably get elected to congress...
 
2013-12-26 04:32:09 PM  

IamTomJoad: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.


/I'll be praying for you.

At least when an atheist is hateful and bitter they are honest about it and don't try and justify it by cherry picking from a translated work of fiction.

But, I do thank you for your prayers for me as it is truly the very LEAST you can do.


In fact, praying is them doing nothing whatsofarkingever while feeling a smug superiority about it. I always have the urge to ask people who claim to be praying for someone else who's in trouble "How bout you go and actually help that person first hand?"
 
2013-12-26 04:33:14 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter. This is a trend I have noticed in the real world as well as on fark.
/I'll be praying for you.


You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their i ...


img219.imageshack.us
 
2013-12-26 04:33:43 PM  
Never heard of an astrocytoma, eh?
 
2013-12-26 04:33:54 PM  

Lee451: /I'll be praying for you.


Bullshiat and you know it.
 
2013-12-26 04:35:28 PM  

Canton: special20: Canton: special20: Have you heard the kind of crap Jesus talks lately?
[hugelolcdn.com image 642x442]

Never trust Aryan Jesus.

You mean "The Nazi of Nazareth"?
[i.imgur.com image 700x437]

Hah! That... would explain so much.

/Except why he allied himself with Italy
//Damn Romans


*ring-ring*
"Hello?"
"Ja, zis ist der Holy Roman Empire callink."
 
2013-12-26 04:35:56 PM  
Why, thank you for the shiny new tag, special20!
 
2013-12-26 04:37:16 PM  

IamTomJoad: At least when an atheist is hateful and bitter they are honest about it and don't try and justify it by cherry picking from a translated work of fiction.



lol, as if there aren't secular justifications for doing terrible things. This idea that some of you have that atheists are somehow morally or intellectually superior to people of faith is just as stupid and misguided as when people of faith believe the opposite.
 
2013-12-26 04:38:52 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Why, thank you for the shiny new tag, special20!


Exactly... why thank me?
...por nada. Enjoy.
 
2013-12-26 04:41:44 PM  
Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter.


"Why are you atheists so angry?!!" answered by Greta Christina at Skepticon4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUI_ML1qkQE
 
2013-12-26 04:46:13 PM  
This will end well.

/The judges should be committed, too.
 
2013-12-26 04:47:05 PM  
I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia
 
2013-12-26 04:48:30 PM  

whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia


all of them
 
2013-12-26 04:54:51 PM  

Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter.


This can be said of any segment of the population, not just atheists.

But you keep praying for the problem to go away instead of trying to do something about it.
 
2013-12-26 04:55:24 PM  

whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia


Temporal lobe epilepsy is more likely, but yes, auditory and visual hallucinations like those experienced by Paul, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Joan of Arc, and many others have a completely natural and rational explanation.
 
2013-12-26 04:55:28 PM  

HAMMERTOE: You know what? Don't bother. What you're interpreting as "hatefulness" and "bitterness" is actually the end of our patience and real-world recriminations for the products of your narcissistic, self-serving fairy tale. The universe, the solar system, and the Earth do not revolve around you, or anybody else. They have been here long before we were, and they'll be here long after we're gone. You are less than a dust speck in the eye of creation. How dare you set yourselves up on a pedestal, assuming it was all created for YOU!?! In your desperate denial of reality, you can't even be bothered to ask any hard questions of the charlatans who seek to use your naivete to advance their causes and enrich their selves. Worse even, you accept on blind faith, a book so rife with ludicrous contradictions and wishful thinking, it makes you look like total idiots. Your god supposedly condemned all of mankind for eating a fruit. This same fruit, your god allegedly put in paradise his self, and then knowingly left his two prized creations, whom he allegedly created the entire universe for, with an agent of evil, also knowing that he had left them totally disarmed against manipulation by nature of the fact that they had no knowledge of good and evil. And then your god condemned them, and all their descendants as well. Excuse me, but rational adults expect more of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity. In fact, we expect a higher level of responsibility than this in a 16-y/o babysitter.

Look, we understand your fear of the dark. No being wants to die. The gazelle runs from the cheetah in the effort to postpone the inevitable, but darkness will eventually take us all. But when we see charlatans use your fear of the great dark of death to their own ends- yes, it makes us bitter. It makes us bitter because we know that their influence will affect our own lives, simply through their influence on your vote. To this day, their has not been a single non-christian President. It's time for the collective madness of worshiping imaginary friends to end. More and more people are waking up to reality, and the GOP's political power is waning as a result. Interpret it as bitterness all you like. Your own relevance is at stake.


No, after that rant, I'm leaning even more toward "hateful and bitter".  In your case, at least.
 
2013-12-26 04:57:50 PM  
Talked to Jesus on Monday. Seems like a nice guy!
He brought me some more tortillas for my combination Fajitas. Refilled my glass as needed too.

I didn't see a collection plate so I just put my tip on the table. Much better than the other place where you just get wine and crackers and they talk about cannibalism and still want the same amount of money.

His skin was a little darker than the photos I have seen of him and he had a funny accent, I suppose that could be expected from someone born elsewhere. English classes in Bethlehem must be lacking?
 
2013-12-26 04:59:45 PM  

whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions aren't just episodes of schizophrenia


ftfy
 
2013-12-26 05:00:52 PM  

Son of Thunder: Wenchmaster: I'm not a psychiatrist, don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I could be wrong on this. I was under the impression that hearing voices was one of the very few definitive red lines for whether or not someone was mentally ill. Anyone with a better background in psychology or neuroscience out there who could weigh in?

There's "crazy", then there's "crazy enough to warrant involuntary commitment". Nobody's denying that he's the first, the question is whether or not he's dangerous enough to be the second. If all he's doing at the moment is annoying people with crazy Jesus-talk, that's not dangerous enough. We don't just lock up anyone who is mentally I'll.
The counter argument is that he got dangerous last time, so let's lock him up before he does it again.


Hearing voices is a pretty solid line to cross over. The voice may say be instructing sweet and innocent things now, but you don't know what's causing it. And if you don't know what's causing it you don't know how to keep it from either getting worse or reversing it if it does get worse. On top of it since HE is the only one who hears the voice you can't monitor what the voice is telling him to do. And if he's hearing voices how can we trust his other faculties are functioning properly? You already know there's something amiss either chemically or biologically, what other brain functions does that affect?
You are not supposed to hear voices from people not there.
 
2013-12-26 05:01:45 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: dstanley: If a man says he talks to God, we nod and shake our head. If a man says he talks to God through his toaster, we think he's crazy.

Why should the addition of an appliance make a difference?

[www.millionaireplayboy.com image 400x250]

/Why does God need a toaster?


He likes bagels. They're holey.
 
2013-12-26 05:03:17 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: But you keep praying for the problem to go away instead of trying to do something about it.


Because religious organizations never engage in charity? And since there are no problems that can't be solved simply by showing up, Christians are assholes for expressing sympathy and letting someone know that they'll be thinking of them.
 
2013-12-26 05:03:48 PM  

Kurmudgeon: "I wonder how long it will be before he goes out and hurts someone or himself based on the voice of jesus telling him to."

Seeing that is the exact opposite of the Golden Rule that Jesus taught it's most likely just an excuse.
However, there's a ton of confusion on Fark about this kind of thing, so not too surprising.


Depends which Jesus we're talking about.
i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-26 05:04:48 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Lee451: It is really sad that so many atheists are hateful and bitter.

This can be said of any segment of the population, not just atheists.

But you keep praying for the problem to go away instead of trying to do something about it.


When people annoy me I just ignore th
 
2013-12-26 05:07:06 PM  
HAMMERTOE:

Well, looks like someone turned the knob up to eleven and broke it off.
 
2013-12-26 05:07:38 PM  

wildsnowllama: Hearing voices is a pretty solid line to cross over. The voice may say be instructing sweet and innocent things now, but you don't know what's causing it. And if you don't know what's causing it you don't know how to keep it from either getting worse or reversing it if it does get worse. On top of it since HE is the only one who hears the voice you can't monitor what the voice is telling him to do. And if he's hearing voices how can we trust his other faculties are functioning properly? You already know there's something amiss either chemically or biologically, what other brain functions does that affect?
You are not supposed to hear voices from people not there.


This is why we do an assessment.  For many people with schizophrenia, all they have to do is stay on their meds and receive proper psychosocial support, and there's no need to take away their rights.  Even if they don't take their meds, we cannot lock them up unless they are a danger to themselves or others, and being crazy is not by itself a good enough reason.  As a general rule, we don't lock people up because of what we think they might do at some point in the future (the Tom Cruise movie notwithstanding).  We have to wait until they actually do something dangerous.  Not just crazy.  Dangerous.
 
2013-12-26 05:10:53 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Why do you care what anyone believes?


Because people form opinions on government from those beliefs, and they vote.

Abstinence-Only education everybody!
 
2013-12-26 05:12:48 PM  

AgentPothead: In the late 21st century it will be discovered acknowledgedthat religious belief is neurological disorder.


FTFY
 
2013-12-26 05:13:26 PM  

Kali-Yuga: whatshisname: I wonder how many historic religious visions are just episodes of schizophrenia

Temporal lobe epilepsy is more likely, but yes, auditory and visual hallucinations like those experienced by Paul, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Joan of Arc, and many others have a completely natural and rational explanation.


What about all the people that just take their word for it?

"He says God talks to him. Seems legit. Let's follow him and give him money."
 
2013-12-26 05:16:52 PM  

ltdanman44: Ennuipoet: [www.thegreatdeejays.com image 445x668]
"Go take a shiat on the salad bar at Wendys!"

Damnit to hell I miss him so much


But I'll bet nobody misses the salad bar at Wendy's.
/double Baconator, that's where it's at
 
2013-12-26 05:18:06 PM  

Son of Thunder: Wenchmaster: I'm not a psychiatrist, don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express, so I could be wrong on this. I was under the impression that hearing voices was one of the very few definitive red lines for whether or not someone was mentally ill. Anyone with a better background in psychology or neuroscience out there who could weigh in?

There's "crazy", then there's "crazy enough to warrant involuntary commitment". Nobody's denying that he's the first, the question is whether or not he's dangerous enough to be the second. If all he's doing at the moment is annoying people with crazy Jesus-talk, that's not dangerous enough. We don't just lock up anyone who is mentally I'll.
The counter argument is that he got dangerous last time, so let's lock him up before he does it again.


To be involuntarily committed, a patient must be at imminent risk of harming themselves or others, or unable to tend to their own basic needs of survival due to severe psychosis. Walk around any major city and you will find any number of people walking the streets talking to themselves and responding to internal stimuli. Can't just scoop them off the street and involuntarily commit them. Even when patients with suicidal ideations, gestures, or attempts are committed, they are most of the time discharged in a couple of days and are responsible for taking their own meds by themselves or with the help of a family member or spouse if possible. Gone are the days of One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest where patients are involuntarily committed for weeks or years on end, except in heinous murder cases where they are found guilty by reason of insanity.
 
2013-12-26 05:18:55 PM  
"Depends which Jesus we're talking about."

I've heard about that right wing Jesus and seen the cartoons, not him.
As for Hammertoe's screed, get some counseling or medication, buddy.
I get aggravated with Fark "athies" (militants) and others, that doesn't inspire me to go wreak vengeance upon groups of people who may just happen to have the same group name.
 
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