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(Fox News)   Officials at the Georgia Regents University defend using dogs in the school's dental program, say it's the best way to study molars, incisors, canines   (foxnews.com) divider line 18
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2013-12-26 03:31:19 AM
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Doesn't need Crest Whitestrips
 
2013-12-26 06:44:35 AM
How about doing it on canines that have actual dental problems, and evaluate it without killing them? Oh, wait. That wouldn't piss anyone off.
 
2013-12-26 06:44:41 AM
We have hobos. Why use dogs??
 
2013-12-26 07:02:33 AM

doglover: We have hobos. Why use dogs??


Dogs don't try to steal the laughing gas.. or get drunk off the mouthwash.
 
2013-12-26 07:10:36 AM
Could this not be performed on already euthanized animals or are we talking about keeping the animal alive and in pain to see how it reacts to the implant?
 
2013-12-26 07:16:11 AM
The mechanization just expedites the jawbone sampling bit to determine the effect of the implant. We don;t want this study to go on for a decade do we?
/*cheesy midwestern voice* in the aaarms of an aaangel fly aaway
 
2013-12-26 07:30:24 AM
The Humane Society of the United States alleged in November that the experiments conducted on six dogs in March, witnessed by an undercover investigator, were frivolous and driven by profit.

... another concern raised by the Humane Society - the fact that the school purchases animals from Class B dealers. These dealers obtain animals from sources such as shelters...


Meanwhile:

The HSUS estimates that animal shelters care for 6-8 million dogs and cats every year in the United States, of whom approximately 3-4 million are euthanized.

Just sayin'.


/won't somebody please think of the puppies??
 
2013-12-26 07:41:56 AM

gerbilpox: Just sayin'.


/won't somebody please think of the puppies??


Pretty sure most of them do not have their teeth ripped out and replaced first.
 
2013-12-26 08:07:47 AM

gerbilpox: Just sayin'.


1. The word "euthanasia" implies painless death from necessity. Generally speaking, it does not include pulling teeth and unnecessary and painful surgery first.

2. Shiatty article is on Fox News and, therefore, shiatty. The allegations against Regents include that the surgery in question was unnecessary and serves no valid human medical purpose but is purely for cosmetic reasons.

3. Another allegation is that the dealer they purchased the animals from has been under investigation more than once, and currently still is, for how the animals are obtained and there is suspicion that some of the animals he deals in have been stolen from pet stores and families.

Worst of all, Regents released a bullshiat response to the Humane Society's allegations shortly after this flap started that didn't refute any of it.
 
2013-12-26 09:25:03 AM
I'm a fervent Peta hater because of their methods and two faced approach to shelter animals. The HSUS however is a decent organization. I have no issues with limited animal testing in the final phases of development of life saving measures because yeah you need to know if its going to work. I weigh the outcome for society and humanity vs whats required to develop the cure/device etc.
Dental implants? Really? With the huge number of people who have rotten teeth and cant afford to have them fixed or get 10 grand in dental surgery I can pretty much guarantee they would have people lined up out the door as test subjects.

People who torture dogs and cats and well any animal for trivial research need to suffer the same testing.
 
2013-12-26 09:49:44 AM

Netrngr: People who torture dogs and cats and well any animal for trivial research need to suffer the same testing.


It might not be so trivial when faced with a FDA that demands non-human testing before ANY human trials.
 
2013-12-26 10:03:43 AM
Oh, and I was mistaken. The scumbag that sold them the dogs isn't just under investigation, he's actually been charged.

Also, protip: this is one of many reasons why you don't offer animals for free "to a good home". Dealers like this idiot come and claim them then sell them off for "medical" research like this. Good way to subject your pet to a brutal death at the hands of profiteers like Regents.

Furthermore, the HSUS alleges that the type of experimentation being done COULD HAVE been done on humans because the implants were already approved and only being done for comparative purposes against a competing product. Bone biopsies do not require euthanasia nor are they uncommon in human test and medical subjects so, assuming the claim that the tests could have legally been done on human subjects, it's really hard to see how Regents has any justification for this at all.
 
2013-12-26 11:28:12 AM

doglover: We have hobos. Why use dogs??


Dogs have teeth?
 
2013-12-26 02:01:38 PM

crab66: Could this not be performed on already euthanized animals or are we talking about keeping the animal alive and in pain to see how it reacts to the implant?


They were testing implants. Perhaps they needed to see how LIVE TISSUE reacts with the implants. Dead dogs wouldn't help. That would be like us testing implants on cadavers.

We'd have to use a LOT more power on human cadavers to get the tissue growth restarted and then you have to deal with the raging monster and angry townsfolk. Maybe we should switch to unwanted children.
 
2013-12-26 02:03:56 PM

crab66: gerbilpox: Just sayin'.


/won't somebody please think of the puppies??

Pretty sure most of them do not have their teeth ripped out and replaced first.


You need to wait for the first set to grow in. Easier to just grab the shaking adult lab in the corner.
 
2013-12-26 03:27:00 PM
This is much ado about nothing, really. An organization took ten seconds of clandestine lab footage, (which showed exactly zero cruelty,) and concocted an entire 5-minute diatribe aimed at eliciting an emotional reaction. The bottom line is, I, you and everybody else, including the sniveling furrbies who would rather ignore such inconvenient facts, are standing on the backs of tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of test animals. Any thing you can think of has to be tested before being approved for human consumption or use. Everything. While the hypocrites among us would rather see such testing conducted on "animals" of the human variety, generally, we ascribe more rights to humans than we do to animals. To do otherwise is to condemn all of us to lives as vegetarians, wearing fig leaves, and living in adobe huts, gathering nuts and berries.
 
2013-12-26 03:37:08 PM

HAMMERTOE: deeeerrrrrpppppp


Nothing in your post really has anything to do with this, and five seconds on Google would have confirmed that for you before you posted it. But then I guess you couldn't have made up some weird strawman about progress that relies entirely on the notion that animal testing either has to happen all the time or none of the time.

I guess my point is... are you still drunk from yesterday, are you drunk again, or do you just not make sense either way?
 
2013-12-26 03:45:21 PM

skozlaw: I guess my point is... are you still drunk from yesterday, are you drunk again, or do you just not make sense either way?


I live in the area, and this issue has been in the local news for well over a month. The cited article is way late in the news cycle of this issue. The Humane Society did indeed concoct a five minute video using a whole ten seconds of video secretly shot at a test lab. They are testing dental devices. Just like everything else, they have to undergo animal testing before being approved for testing on humans. You should have spent more than five seconds on google. Had you done so, you might have been more equipped to discuss the issue, rather than make a lame personal attack on me.
 
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