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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   One of the first rescue workers to arrive at a three-car pileup pulls a dying woman out of her SUV not recognizing her. Finds out later it was his own daughter   (ajc.com) divider line 59
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2013-12-26 12:52:08 AM
Dag
 
2013-12-26 01:12:51 AM
Welcome to the world of being a volunteer firefighter/EMT. I'm......blessed....in that I didn't grow up around here. Everyone else knows each other though. It's something you go into knowing.
But I've pulled people out  and later found they were neighbors or people I knew otherwise.
Went to a full arrest, worked it until there was no more to do. Wasn't until I was given the name for my paperwork that I realized it was a co-worker.
 
2013-12-26 01:19:02 AM
Not sure how this compares to that reporter last week who live tweeted her husband's fatal crash
 
2013-12-26 01:29:56 AM

ArkAngel: Not sure how this compares to that reporter last week who live tweeted her husband's fatal crash


???

you mean the T-Mobile employee who sometimes listens to a police scanner and tweets what she hears?

Washington state woman unwittingly live-tweets husband's fatal car crash

Vancouver scanner hobbyists put it on Twitter

but yeah, I guess that's considered being a 'reporter' nowadays
 
2013-12-26 01:32:15 AM

ArkAngel: Not sure how this compares to that reporter last week who live tweeted her husband's fatal crash


I thought of that, too. I'm pretty sure this one's worse.
 
2013-12-26 03:11:24 AM

fusillade762: ArkAngel: Not sure how this compares to that reporter last week who live tweeted her husband's fatal crash

I thought of that, too. I'm pretty sure this one's worse.


First one was karma. This is just farked.
 
2013-12-26 03:49:14 AM
Happens all the time, sadly.

Where I used to volunteer, they would have us "Public Service" dispatch, or call them on the landline and "encourage" the responder if they knew to let the others make scene first. I know two seperate people who made scene on their family members with CPR in progress.

When my grandmother had her first stroke, I was the first one on scene. I gladly stepped aside to let others take care of her. One of the first things i was taught was "you don't work your own family".

cretinbob: Went to a full arrest, worked it until there was no more to do. Wasn't until I was given the name for my paperwork that I realized it was a co-worker.


My first traumatic full arrest as a new EMT in 2004 was a classmate I had graduated high school with at the first of that year. I wasn't even on duty, the wreck just happened in front of us as we were headed home.

The only way we knew was an hour later when someone found her ID. No one could believe it she was so mangled.
 
2013-12-26 04:29:47 AM
It's a small world after all.... ;)
 
2013-12-26 04:31:58 AM
So the SUV didn't recognize her, Subby?
 
2013-12-26 04:33:59 AM
That's farked up.
 
2013-12-26 04:37:41 AM
Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?
 
2013-12-26 04:40:03 AM

doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?


People get messed up in a violent collision.
 
2013-12-26 04:47:33 AM
Damn. She's killed by some moron knocking her car into traffic, her dad's on scene as she dies, and her 3 kids have to deal with a Christmas Eve death. Fark that.
 
2013-12-26 04:52:36 AM
my dad has cancer, my grandmother is nearly 90 with health issues(mostly being almost 90), and my uncle who has cerebral palsy, and falls down on a regular basis, lives with my nearly 90 grandmother grandmother. and the all live in the same town where I'm the the 911 dispatcher for 11-7am.

I know I'm going to get a call sometime that I don't want to take. but what are you gonna do? I guess I'll just deal with it when it happens.
 
2013-12-26 04:59:44 AM
This is very sad, but the placement of this headline above the one about optimism did get a hearty chuckle out of me.
 
2013-12-26 05:04:07 AM

doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?


The answer makes it worse.
 
2013-12-26 05:13:34 AM

Harry_Seldon: doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?

People get messed up in a violent collision.


I was wondering that too, and thought either (a) messed up beyond all recognition, or (b) could the firefighter have gone into "Work Mode" and just not thought about it? (Only to have it hit him like a ton of bricks later.) Does that happen to emergency responders?

TFA: Katie Hamilton was attempting to make a left turn when a car struck her from the rear

Kids, pay attention to what's in front of you. Don't drive distracted.
 
GCD
2013-12-26 05:14:14 AM

cretinbob: Welcome to the world of being a volunteer firefighter/EMT. I'm......blessed....in that I didn't grow up around here. Everyone else knows each other though. It's something you go into knowing.


Same here. I didn't grow up around here, so I don't know as many people...but, you do eventually do get to know people - even in passing (ie: Bob at the hardware store) and sooner or later it catches up with you and it's someone that you have a connection to.

It's every first responders' nightmare though.
 
2013-12-26 05:21:51 AM
Katie Hamilton was attempting to make a left turn when a car struck her from the rear, knocking her into the other lane where she hit a pick-up truck head on.

That reminds me of an old lesson from way back in driving school: When making a left turn from a stopped position, DON'T turn your steering wheel until you begin moving. That way, if you're rear-ended, your car will (more likely) roll straight ahead instead of turning into on-coming traffic.

/sad lesson to remember
 
2013-12-26 05:30:05 AM
Thank you rescue workers for being on the job during the holiday.

I wish this story had a happier ending like "rescue worker saves life of woman not realizing it was his own daughter."
 
GCD
2013-12-26 05:57:40 AM

Hilary T. N. Seuss: That reminds me of an old lesson from way back in driving school: When making a left turn from a stopped position, DON'T turn your steering wheel until you begin moving. That way, if you're rear-ended, your car will (more likely) roll straight ahead instead of turning into on-coming traffic.

/sad lesson to remember


And remember to buckle up.

I'm not saying that she wasn't, but to me, it looks like it should have been a survival accident. The report says that she hit the other vehicle "head on"...but it looks to me like the bulk of the damage was sustained on the passenger side of the vehicle...Which actually supports your theory that her wheels were cut when she was struck from behind, forcing her into oncoming traffic.

I'm not saying that she wouldn't have walked away injury-free, but at the same time, I am scratching my head wondering how someone could have sustained fatal injuries from it.
 
2013-12-26 06:37:03 AM

doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?


Multiple reasons:

The most obvious is she was mangled beyond recognition. That one really sucks.

The second is for that kinda job I'd imagine you kinda go into an automatic pilot mode where you being triage etc and run off muscle memory more than anything else. But I could be wrong. Any emergency responders able to verify/deny this?
 
2013-12-26 06:42:43 AM
My best friend in college was killed in a car crash, and her mom was who was a detective happened to be driving home and discovered the crash, not a Csb
 
2013-12-26 06:48:03 AM
I feel bad for anyone losing a loved one at xmas, since every subsequent year the whole xmas palaver is just going to bring back bad memories.
 
GCD
2013-12-26 06:58:53 AM

Capo Del Bandito: doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?

Multiple reasons:

The most obvious is she was mangled beyond recognition. That one really sucks.

The second is for that kinda job I'd imagine you kinda go into an automatic pilot mode where you being triage etc and run off muscle memory more than anything else. But I could be wrong. Any emergency responders able to verify/deny this?


That's a fairly accurate assessment.

There are accidents where the people have sustained some horrific injuries and they (and the vehicles they're in) are not readily identifiable.

You do also tend to go into an "auto-pilot mode" of sorts...your brain just tends to focus on what needs to be done and not on what's happening. For instance, if I'm the guy on extrication, I'm not focusing on the people in the vehicle. I am focusing on getting the vehicle safely opened up to get them out.

I don't also go to calls thinking "I wonder if I'm going to know them?"...if you did that, you'd never function in the role as a first responder.
 
2013-12-26 07:21:55 AM

GCD: That's a fairly accurate assessment.

There are accidents where the people have sustained some horrific injuries and they (and the vehicles they're in) are not readily identifiable.

You do also tend to go into an "auto-pilot mode" of sorts...your brain just tends to focus on what needs to be done and not on what's happening. For instance, if I'm the guy on extrication, I'm not focusing on the people in the vehicle. I am focusing on getting the vehicle safely opened up to get them out.

I don't also go to calls thinking "I wonder if I'm going to know them?"...if you did that, you'd never function in the role as a first responder.



I figured there was some sorta shutdown because like you said if you focus on that even a little bit consciously, you will breakdown eventually.

Hurray for cold robotic-esce efficiency!
 
GCD
2013-12-26 07:51:18 AM

Capo Del Bandito: I figured there was some sorta shutdown because like you said if you focus on that even a little bit consciously, you will breakdown eventually.

Hurray for cold robotic-esce efficiency!


Yeh, no. I would say "Boo for cold robotic-esce efficiency!"

It's a very sharp double-edged sword to be honest. It allows us to do our job, but at the same time, with the things we see, it's possible that the dam will eventually catastrophically burst.

There is a lot of PTSD in first responder roles...We see horrific stuff day after day after day...but we're expected to respond professionally and efficiently to each and every call. For some people, it eventually becomes too much. I know several who have been lost to suicide...and I know numerous other first responders (paramedics, police) that have lost colleagues to suicide.

It was a lot worse years ago...the attitude was "Suck it up, princess", but they've finally recognized that PTSD is a very, very real thing and encouraged people to seek help...A lot of times at our department, they hold debriefings after a really bad call...and even if you don't think it helps, it helps...especially when you hear your lieutenants, captains, etc. talking about how it affected them.

I still have images from various incidents that I can't erase from my memory...and I've learned that it's not necessarily a bad thing because it means that I'm human...but there's that ever-present, lurking in the shadows, PTSD demon that can pop up at any time too...and I have to be fully aware of that.
 
2013-12-26 07:52:10 AM

hardinparamedic: Happens all the time, sadly.

Where I used to volunteer, they would have us "Public Service" dispatch, or call them on the landline and "encourage" the responder if they knew to let the others make scene first. I know two seperate people who made scene on their family members with CPR in progress.

When my grandmother had her first stroke, I was the first one on scene. I gladly stepped aside to let others take care of her. One of the first things i was taught was "you don't work your own family".

cretinbob: Went to a full arrest, worked it until there was no more to do. Wasn't until I was given the name for my paperwork that I realized it was a co-worker.

My first traumatic full arrest as a new EMT in 2004 was a classmate I had graduated high school with at the first of that year. I wasn't even on duty, the wreck just happened in front of us as we were headed home.

The only way we knew was an hour later when someone found her ID. No one could believe it she was so mangled.


The same thing happened to me my first year on the job. I didn't even realize I knew the person until I heard the name on the news the next day. Life is messed up sometimes.
 
2013-12-26 07:53:07 AM

cretinbob: Welcome to the world of being a volunteer firefighter/EMT


Yep. We worked a horrific fatal 2 years ago. The two males were cousins of a couple of our guys on scene and the front seat passenger had been my next door neighbor. I only recognized her because of her hair which was uniquely very long and wavy.

The one thing I tell myself is "I didn't put them in this situation".
 
2013-12-26 08:04:50 AM
I have done both volunteer firefighter and done S&R for small aircraft.  While I was lucky and never had anyone I knew.   But the hardest calls I ever dealt with where the ones when you have a child trapped/injured and their parents where there and going nuts cause they screaming at you that you are not working fast enough or that what you are doing to free their child is going hurt them.
 
2013-12-26 08:40:13 AM
My best friend died in his sleep from some heart thing. I was the one to find him after he missed a meet-up I went to his house. Real small town of about 1500, so everyone knew him. I ran down a few doors to the fire station and grabbed one of the volunteers. Once we got to my friend's yard, the EMT started saying, "no, Denny, NO!"
/csb
 
2013-12-26 08:43:45 AM
Plot twist: father "went out for a pack of cigarettes" when the child was an infant.....
 
2013-12-26 09:13:11 AM
My moms FIRST call as a paramedic was her brother. He had his foot crushed by a train. He was fine.. more or less, but 40 years later my mom still gives him hell for it.
 
2013-12-26 09:19:11 AM

Hilary T. N. Seuss: Harry_Seldon: doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?

People get messed up in a violent collision.

I was wondering that too, and thought either (a) messed up beyond all recognition, or (b) could the firefighter have gone into "Work Mode" and just not thought about it? (Only to have it hit him like a ton of bricks later.) Does that happen to emergency responders?

TFA: Katie Hamilton was attempting to make a left turn when a car struck her from the rear

Kids, pay attention to what's in front of you. Don't drive distracted.


My cousin Jason was 6" shorter (5'5") and --looked-- like he was over 245lbs after his accident. You wouldn't have recognized him at the wake if you had seen him in the past few years. That was after the mortician was done cleaning him up and using makeup to cover up the trauma.

Before the accident he was 6'1" and weighed 200lbs. That's what trauma can do in an accident. (he was pushed by one big rig into the back of another on the highway) I had known him most of my life and barely recognized him afterwards. That's how drastically the body can react to trauma.
 
2013-12-26 09:45:49 AM
Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?
 
2013-12-26 09:49:19 AM

GCD: Hilary T. N. Seuss: That reminds me of an old lesson from way back in driving school: When making a left turn from a stopped position, DON'T turn your steering wheel until you begin moving. That way, if you're rear-ended, your car will (more likely) roll straight ahead instead of turning into on-coming traffic.

/sad lesson to remember

And remember to buckle up.

I'm not saying that she wasn't, but to me, it looks like it should have been a survival accident. The report says that she hit the other vehicle "head on"...but it looks to me like the bulk of the damage was sustained on the passenger side of the vehicle...Which actually supports your theory that her wheels were cut when she was struck from behind, forcing her into oncoming traffic.

I'm not saying that she wouldn't have walked away injury-free, but at the same time, I am scratching my head wondering how someone could have sustained fatal injuries from it.


There isn't really a list of accident conditions that is always fatal. Stats are giving in percentages because not every scenario plays out the same every time. The odds didn't go in her favor.
 
2013-12-26 09:49:56 AM

Shadow Blasko: My moms FIRST call as a paramedic was her brother. He had his foot crushed by a train. He was fine.. more or less, but 40 years later my mom still gives him hell for it.


Well it does take a special kind of dumb to let a train sneak up on you.
 
2013-12-26 09:53:59 AM
According to the Nashua Telegraph, Whitcomb and his daughter worked together in the plumbing business. He told the paper: "You grieve and then you try to put it all back together."

That's not how you do plumbing, no sir, not at all!
 
2013-12-26 09:54:20 AM

Dinobot: Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?


No. This is America, where if you're an idiot you get a pass. He'd go to jail longer if he punched her in the arm.
 
2013-12-26 09:55:43 AM

technofiend: Shadow Blasko: My moms FIRST call as a paramedic was her brother. He had his foot crushed by a train. He was fine.. more or less, but 40 years later my mom still gives him hell for it.

Well it does take a special kind of dumb to let a train sneak up on you.


It didn't sneak up on him at all. He got his foot caught between the track and a tie on a metal cable (possibly part of the crossing bar trigger mechanism) about 1/2 a mile from a crossing. One friend ran down the tracks to try to see if they could stop the train, the other stayed and frantically tried to get his foot out.

It didn't work out, but he has lived a long life since then, so it certainly could have been worse.
 
2013-12-26 10:01:46 AM

Dinobot: Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?


Hell, if this happened to me I would rather it have been because the driver was drunk or speeding. Some fark up simply being too stupid to notice a giant vehicle in front of their face is just wildly unsatisfying as a reason I'm dead.
 
2013-12-26 10:20:39 AM

browntimmy: Dinobot: Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?

Hell, if this happened to me I would rather it have been because the driver was drunk or speeding. Some fark up simply being too stupid to notice a giant vehicle in front of their face is just wildly unsatisfying as a reason I'm dead.


you feel like you can experience satisfaction after death?
 
2013-12-26 10:29:19 AM

Dinobot: Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?


Probably. What level will depend on alcohol, weather issues, etc.

Not that it matters.  Their punishment is the replay of the accident in their minds for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-12-26 10:59:25 AM

Another Government Employee: Probably. What level will depend on alcohol, weather issues, etc.

Not that it matters. Their punishment is the replay of the accident in their minds for the rest of their lives.


That is assuming the driver gives two sh*ts about anyone but themselves.

If I were working the aftermath, I'd get warrants to pull the data recorders from the vehicles, assuming they are newer models that have such. From those you can pretty well put together who did what, when, and assign fault.

If there was little or no breaking by driver's vehicle before the impact, driver would get charged with aggravated homicide by vehicle.
 
2013-12-26 11:52:45 AM
IT IS CALLED DEDICATION.

the job comes first, who comes later.
 
2013-12-26 12:01:36 PM

Another Government Employee: Dinobot: Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?

Probably. What level will depend on alcohol, weather issues, etc.

Not that it matters.  Their punishment is the replay of the accident in their minds for the rest of their lives.


Depends on the person. Some people are sociopathic enough that it doesn't bother them at all.
 
2013-12-26 12:07:01 PM

doglover: Life happens. But how the hell do you not recognize your own kid?


Getting broadsided by an 8000lb truck doing 50-80 will do things that you just can't describe to the occupants.
 
2013-12-26 01:12:38 PM

reillan: browntimmy: Dinobot: Are there gonna be any manslaughter charges against the driver that bumped her into incoming traffic?

Hell, if this happened to me I would rather it have been because the driver was drunk or speeding. Some fark up simply being too stupid to notice a giant vehicle in front of their face is just wildly unsatisfying as a reason I'm dead.

you feel like you can experience satisfaction after death?


You're not a fan of subtle humorous touches, are you?
 
2013-12-26 01:14:00 PM
A thread about horrific traffic accidents on Christmas Day...
And not a one Large Marge reference?
Slipping, Fark, slipping.
 
2013-12-26 01:33:00 PM

An_American_Thinker: Another Government Employee: Probably. What level will depend on alcohol, weather issues, etc.

Not that it matters. Their punishment is the replay of the accident in their minds for the rest of their lives.

That is assuming the driver gives two sh*ts about anyone but themselves.

If I were working the aftermath, I'd get warrants to pull the data recorders from the vehicles, assuming they are newer models that have such. From those you can pretty well put together who did what, when, and assign fault.

If there was little or no breaking by driver's vehicle before the impact, driver would get charged with aggravated homicide by vehicle.


That is SOP, from what I understand, as well as REQUIRED (at least in Georgia) blood draws for toxicology from all drivers. It might be a couple of months before charges are filed, but they will be.
 
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