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2013-12-26 01:29:21 AM
Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?
 
2013-12-26 01:34:23 AM
it does make a good sight gag in movies like Shakespeare in Love
 
2013-12-26 01:46:01 AM

fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


I'm going to guess that, traditionally, they had more access to them. For instance, Mexican food features chillies which were endemic to the area, and Indian food features coriander, cumin, cardamom, and lots of other spices that were available on the continent or on islands in the South Pacific.
 
2013-12-26 01:48:24 AM

fusillade762: So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


It cools you off for one.

/lives in the desert
 
2013-12-26 01:50:47 AM

fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


Aged meat actually tastes better than raw or frozen. And things like salted pork last FOREVER.
 
2013-12-26 01:51:56 AM

fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


Why don't more people in the tropics eat polar bears?
 
2013-12-26 01:55:46 AM

fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


It's where the spices are? I'm just guessing?
 
2013-12-26 01:58:12 AM

fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


Meat spoils faster in warmer climates?

Aside: ate my first "Am I really gonna eat this?" steak last week. I'll eat stuff that'd gag a maggot, and even I stared at this thing long and hard before I threw it onto the grill. Lotsa black pepper and some sriracha; et it up. Still standing.
 
2013-12-26 01:58:14 AM
I don't know whether to be annoyed or grateful that the thread immediately dropped the topic in the headline.

/hot capicolla sammich with provolone, please
 
2013-12-26 01:58:26 AM
The whole "gardeloo" thing did happen in Edinburgh's old town, and that was where much of the modern belief that everyone did that came from. The middle ages saw very few multi-storey buildings in Europe. Typically two was the norm in towns. A fella called the gong man, or gong farmer would often come to a home or place where the local's collected their business in a cesspit and take it away and sell it to the tanners. They were also called night soil men.
 
2013-12-26 02:00:04 AM

fusillade762: medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices


Colonists ate their own sh*t to survive harsh winters.

/or other peoples, they weren't picky
//there's undigested protein in it
 
2013-12-26 02:00:43 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Meat spoils faster in warmer climates?


Yeah, but spices don't really help botulism.
 
2013-12-26 02:02:21 AM

doglover: ArcadianRefugee: Meat spoils faster in warmer climates?

Yeah, but spices don't really help botulism.


No, but it makes it more palatable, so you can extend it's useful life. Once it's gone so bad it's toxic, well, yeah, ain't a whole lot you can do.
 
2013-12-26 02:02:29 AM

Begoggle: fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.
medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices
So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?
Why don't more people in the tropics eat polar bears?


Because the tropics are home to large concentration of anti polar bear rocks.
 
2013-12-26 02:03:56 AM
It's not bs. Anyone who has been to Rome or New Orleans knows they still do it to this day.
 
2013-12-26 02:05:40 AM
So like most things "everyone knows" about the Middle Ages, this one is in the same category as cumbersome heavy armor

Wasn't marching up a muddy hill in heavy armor while getting pelted by arrows one of the reasons the French got destroyed at Agincourt?
 
2013-12-26 02:06:16 AM
You never hear "Blessed are the gongfermours"
 
2013-12-26 02:08:04 AM

r1niceboy: The whole "gardeloo" thing did happen in Edinburgh's old town, and that was where much of the modern belief that everyone did that came from. The middle ages saw very few multi-storey buildings in Europe. Typically two was the norm in towns. A fella called the gong man, or gong farmer would often come to a home or place where the local's collected their business in a cesspit and take it away and sell it to the tanners. They were also called night soil men.


And I don't doubt that, people being people, they wouldn't hesitate to pitch a full chamberpot out the window if they were feeling lazy or saw an ex-girlfriend's new husband walking by.
 
2013-12-26 02:10:16 AM
According to The Medieval Society (26 December 2007):

"... most people did not just chuck their excrement out of the window.... In fact, to do such was illegal, at least in London. Although the law stated that the perpetrators would be fined, they were usually let off with only a mere lecture, unless they happened to hit someone with their refuse.... Chamber pots were typically taken down to the streets and emptied into the gutter...."
 
2013-12-26 02:10:55 AM

ArcadianRefugee: No, but it makes it more palatable, so you can extend it's useful life.


Stuff goes toxic long before it tastes off.

Everyone eats what's close at hand. The Aztecs ate maize and beans and seaweed because that's what was around. No one in wheat rich Europe ate maize or seaweed. The reason spicy food is spicy is because it's from places where they grow spicy herbs.
 
2013-12-26 02:11:39 AM
Also people back then did bathe regularly. Curiously enough what stopped that was the Black Death.
 
2013-12-26 02:12:12 AM
No shiat?
 
2013-12-26 02:14:28 AM

Begoggle: fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?

Why don't more people in the tropics eat polar bears?


They tend to look like this in warm weather, and frankly, this isn't very appetizing.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-12-26 02:14:41 AM
If that's true, how did they who the king was?
 
2013-12-26 02:15:22 AM
FTFA:
outraged mob badly beating a stranger who littered their street with the skin of a smoked fish

What TFA doesn't say is that this same outraged mob then went on to cut down the largest tree in the forest with a herring.

Tell me again, you who are so wise in the ways of science, how can a street be covered in smoked fish skin to prevent hydroplaning?
 
2013-12-26 02:16:41 AM
Also, urine breaks down into ammonia, and was used as a cleaning agent.

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2013-12-26 02:17:10 AM

Gyrfalcon: r1niceboy: The whole "gardeloo" thing did happen in Edinburgh's old town, and that was where much of the modern belief that everyone did that came from. The middle ages saw very few multi-storey buildings in Europe. Typically two was the norm in towns. A fella called the gong man, or gong farmer would often come to a home or place where the local's collected their business in a cesspit and take it away and sell it to the tanners. They were also called night soil men.

And I don't doubt that, people being people, they wouldn't hesitate to pitch a full chamberpot out the window if they were feeling lazy or saw an ex-girlfriend's new husband walking by.


Also Edinburgh's old town was so cramped that ten storeys were not uncommon, and cesspits took up room that didn't exist. The streets were on hills, so laziness was encouraged by physics and regular rainfall.
 
2013-12-26 02:22:22 AM
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2013-12-26 02:22:57 AM
That was meant for the India poop story, but I feel it worked out.
 
2013-12-26 02:30:31 AM
Mrs. Pants: But what about the privies?
Blackadder: Um, well, what we are talking about in privy terms is the latest in front wall fresh air orifices combined with a wide capacity gutter installation below.
Mrs. Pants: You mean you crap out the window?
Blackadder: Yes.
Mrs. Pants: Well in that case we'll definitely take it. I can't stand those dirty indoor things.
 
2013-12-26 02:35:37 AM
The Shiatbrook, huh? That might be one of the reasons my people always gravitated to the head of the holler.
 
2013-12-26 02:40:31 AM
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gotta get the monkey who's got the serum DAMNIT BILLY
 
2013-12-26 02:48:07 AM
This thread is full of shiat.
 
2013-12-26 03:01:06 AM

doglover: ArcadianRefugee: No, but it makes it more palatable, so you can extend it's useful life.

Stuff goes toxic long before it tastes off.


If you say so. My steak was turning green and slick in parts. It certainly smelled 'off' prior to cooking. I didn't even get the shiats.
 
2013-12-26 03:11:52 AM

Begoggle: fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?

Why don't more people in the tropics eat polar bears?


Because they don't go well with spices?
 
2013-12-26 03:12:53 AM
The notion that people in the Middle Ages emptied chamber pots out the window into the street is full of shiat Slate.

/Same thing.
//I don't care.
 
2013-12-26 03:22:00 AM

Harry_Seldon: Begoggle: fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?

Why don't more people in the tropics eat polar bears?

They tend to look like this in warm weather, and frankly, this isn't very appetizing.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x428]


D'awww.
 
2013-12-26 03:29:55 AM

fugeeface: //I don't care.


Interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
 
2013-12-26 03:29:58 AM

phillydrifter: Also, urine breaks down into ammonia, and was used as a cleaning agent.


It was also used on hides to soften them . I do my part and pee all winter into my pot holes.
 
2013-12-26 03:44:30 AM
No pics of the poopsmith?
 
2013-12-26 03:45:52 AM

ArcadianRefugee: doglover: ArcadianRefugee: No, but it makes it more palatable, so you can extend it's useful life.

Stuff goes toxic long before it tastes off.

If you say so. My steak was turning green and slick in parts. It certainly smelled 'off' prior to cooking. I didn't even get the shiats.


Why did you eat it?
 
2013-12-26 04:21:44 AM
If information doesn't change your behaviour it doesn't matter if it is wrong.
 
2013-12-26 04:45:25 AM

Bucky Katt: it does make a good sight gag in movies like Shakespeare in Love


Shakespeare was after the Middle Ages.

I guess I associate the flinging of contents of chamber pots from windows with 18th Century Paris. "Gardez lou / l'eau", and all that. Perhaps that's a myth, but the myth of emptying chamber pots out the window in the Middle Ages is not one that I am familiar with.
 
2013-12-26 04:52:01 AM

stringbad: If information doesn't change your behaviour it doesn't matter if it is wrong.


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2013-12-26 05:12:21 AM

ArcadianRefugee: doglover: ArcadianRefugee: No, but it makes it more palatable, so you can extend it's useful life.

Stuff goes toxic long before it tastes off.

If you say so. My steak was turning green and slick in parts. It certainly smelled 'off' prior to cooking. I didn't even get the shiats.


It doesn't really work that way. Disease causing organisms and spoilage causing organisms are different bugs. A piece of undercooked hamburger can be rotten smelling and be perfectly healthy to eat, a fine smelling undercooked hamburger may be contaminated with a deadly strain of e-coli and kill you or a bad smelling piece of undercooked hamburger may make you sick but the disease microbes and the bad smelling microbes are entirely different microbes. The steak is also safer than ground meats because almost all of the microbes on it would be on the surface and even if it was bloody in the middle the outside got cooked enough to kill those bugs where a hamburger would have plenty of them mixed into the pink, uncooked middle part.
 
2013-12-26 06:50:05 AM
Answer by Tim O'Neill, Athiest, Midievalist, Skeptic and amateur historian.

Oh now there is an expert.
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2013-12-26 07:17:48 AM
The whole idea that there has been something like the 'middle ages' - backward or not - is a ridiculous notion at best. Italian historians, finding their nation's history irrelevant between the time that 'their' empire came to an end, and when 'their' cities started to flourish again, have been pushing this.
 
2013-12-26 07:21:50 AM

Begoggle: fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?

Why don't more people in the tropics eat polar bears?


Cartesian bears are tastier.
 
2013-12-26 07:23:59 AM
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Shiatter's full
 
2013-12-26 07:26:27 AM

fusillade762: Well I'm glad that's been cleared up. I can sleep easy tonight.


medieval people eating rotten meat covered in spices

So why do cultures who live in hot climates use more spices than others?


Because hot climates are where good spices grow.

People from northern climates also eat rotten meat but they don't have anything to put on them so they just enjoy it as-is.  (see: surstromming, hakarl, other stuff non-natives would find revolting)

And, really, the more north you go, the more bland the traditional foods tend to be, with the interesting parts coming not from spices but from fermentation.
 
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