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(Fox News)   Scientists erase unwanted memories with electroshock therapy, say that this is a much nicer method than the trusty icepick through the eyesocket   (foxnews.com) divider line 80
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2013-12-25 03:08:41 AM  
There a number of internet pictures floating around that it would be nice to un-see.
 
2013-12-25 03:34:25 AM  
You can erase a lot more with a higher voltage.
 
2013-12-25 08:35:34 AM  
 
2013-12-25 10:39:24 AM  
But every time you tried to read a book, you couldn't get to page seventeen.
Because you forgot where you was, so you couldn't even read.

Don't you know they're gonna kill your sons?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6NIu-pPcks
 
2013-12-25 10:43:12 AM  
I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?
 
2013-12-25 10:44:19 AM  

megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?


Not enough, apparently.
 
2013-12-25 10:44:36 AM  
And then I get to have sex with Kate Winslet? Sign me up.
 
2013-12-25 10:49:15 AM  
That is how electroshock therapy has always worked. I don't know about unwanted memories, but it erases a lot of memory.

When my PTSD was bad, I would have signed up for it in a heartbeat. It couldn't have been any worse than what was in my head.
 
2013-12-25 10:50:09 AM  

Wolf892: There was an episode of house where something similar happened. But the kid had his entire memory erased. I've always wished that was possible.


Vast periods of time being wiped from people's memory does happen. However, this usually happens by accident and is not a controlled process.
 
2013-12-25 10:52:02 AM  
blog.welove-music.com

Does not approve
 
2013-12-25 10:53:22 AM  
It's not so bad, Homer. They...go in through your nose and...they let you keep the piece of brain they cut out. Look!

Ooh! Hello! Hello there! Who's that big man there? Who's that?
 
2013-12-25 10:55:33 AM  
I can't think how this could go wrong, seriously I can't think.
 
2013-12-25 10:56:51 AM  
I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.

guerillascience.co.uk
 
2013-12-25 10:57:25 AM  

cryinoutloud: That is how electroshock therapy has always worked. I don't know about unwanted memories, but it erases a lot of memory.

When my PTSD was bad, I would have signed up for it in a heartbeat. It couldn't have been any worse than what was in my head.


That's the type of thing I figure people should use such a technology for.  I would bet just about anything (if it became low-risk and routine enough a procedure) that people will use it for things like forgetting their former boy/girlfriends, or any other assortment of memories that may be somewhat painful or embarrassing, but are important to have since we learned valuable things from them.
 
2013-12-25 11:02:15 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-25 11:04:22 AM  

megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?


beat me too it!!!

thedrinkchef.com
 
2013-12-25 11:05:21 AM  
In other cutting edge news from the forefront of medicine, neutron bombardment radiation induces vigor and spriteliness in the elderly.
/WTF is this shiat?
 
2013-12-25 11:05:52 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.

[guerillascience.co.uk image 850x691]


Is it really torture if you do it voluntarily?
 
2013-12-25 11:06:11 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.

[guerillascience.co.uk image 850x691]


We also drug people and cut out their vital organs in the name of medicine.  This is the real world, not farking Star Trek.
 
2013-12-25 11:06:15 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.

[guerillascience.co.uk image 850x691]


So you learned psychiatry from the movies?
 
2013-12-25 11:07:46 AM  
I always thought the traditional method was mass quantities of alcohol...
 
2013-12-25 11:08:14 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.


Because it was historically saved for severe mental patients, who are generally treated worse than animals anyway.  It comes from the time when folks thought electricity could do anything.  Basically, someone decided to shock the fark out of a few mental cases (nobody cared back the, or today, really), and noticed it did 'something', so it became accepted.  It is and was always barbaric, but nobody cared years ago because mental institutions were places you pretty much threw people away at.
 
2013-12-25 11:09:56 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: That's the type of thing I figure people should use such a technology for.  I would bet just about anything (if it became low-risk and routine enough a procedure) that people will use it for things like forgetting their former boy/girlfriends, or any other assortment of memories that may be somewhat painful or embarrassing, but are important to have since we learned valuable things from them.


Yeah, somebody made a movie about that. I didn't like the movie, but the idea was very interesting to me: Do you want to forget your past loves and the pain of having your heart broken, if you forget the love too?

Somebody just broke my heart and I still have to say "no." But my ex-husband and the things that happened? I'd rather have gone through the rest of my life with a speckled memory than feel that feeling of wanting to blow my head off every single day for years to MAKE IT STOP.

/And some days I still want to.
//Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
 
2013-12-25 11:09:58 AM  

TV's Vinnie: I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.

[guerillascience.co.uk image 850x691]


You do realize that ECT is performed under anesthesia, right?
 
2013-12-25 11:10:09 AM  

megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?


It is what I did drinking that I would like erased.
 
2013-12-25 11:10:11 AM  
I should sign up for this after the holidays are over.
 
2013-12-25 11:11:51 AM  

Marquis de Sod: TV's Vinnie: I still can't farking believe that they're still doing this barbaric method to this very day. It's Abu Ghraib level torture. Plain and simple.

[guerillascience.co.uk image 850x691]

So you learned psychiatry from the movies?


Because electroshock "therapy" only happened in the movies. Sure.
 
2013-12-25 11:12:28 AM  
derekwinnert.com
 
2013-12-25 11:16:23 AM  

DreamSnipers: megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?

It is what I did drinking that I would like erased.


Apparently you need to drink more if you are remembering what you did drinking.
 
2013-12-25 11:22:22 AM  
Can I do this at home with a toaster?
 
2013-12-25 11:22:28 AM  
So how do they find out which memories they want to erase? The long term memories.

It's not rocket science on how to get rid of short term.
 
2013-12-25 11:22:34 AM  

DreamSnipers: megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?

It is what I did drinking that I would like erased.


Sometimes I hate the fact that cameras are everywhere. But they also helped me find my house keys.

Still. The incriminating pictures...those suck.
 
2013-12-25 11:23:23 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: cryinoutloud: That is how electroshock therapy has always worked. I don't know about unwanted memories, but it erases a lot of memory.

When my PTSD was bad, I would have signed up for it in a heartbeat. It couldn't have been any worse than what was in my head.

That's the type of thing I figure people should use such a technology for.  I would bet just about anything (if it became low-risk and routine enough a procedure) that people will use it for things like forgetting their former boy/girlfriends, or any other assortment of memories that may be somewhat painful or embarrassing,


"We can unremember it for you wholesale."


but are important to have since we learned valuable things from them.

If you don't recall the memory what have you learned? Does this wipe out only conscious memory or everything connected to the bothersome event?

I'd like to forget every trouble I had before turning 33 but still remember how to be such a brilliant and witty Fark commenter. It'd be okay if I forget all about sex: it's not like that'll ever happen again anyway.
 
2013-12-25 11:24:04 AM  

eas81: DreamSnipers: megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?

It is what I did drinking that I would like erased.

Apparently you need to drink more if you are remembering what you did drinking.


I'll get out of Vegas somehow!
 
2013-12-25 11:26:07 AM  

megarian: DreamSnipers: megarian: I erase unwanted memories all the time.

Do these people not drink?

It is what I did drinking that I would like erased.

Sometimes I hate the fact that cameras are everywhere. But they also helped me find my house keys.

Still. The incriminating pictures...those suck.


Umm ya we are gonna need to see some of these to see what is so inciminating...:)

/EIP
 
2013-12-25 11:28:20 AM  
Maybe not erase them completely, just edit them in some way. Hmmm.
 
2013-12-25 11:30:31 AM  
The One True TheDavid:

If you don't recall the memory what have you learned? Does this wipe out only conscious memory or everything connected to the bothersome event?

That would feel kinda weird, suddenly knowing stuff and having skills you don't remember learning. It would certainly be an interesting life, being guided by your subconscious like that.
 
2013-12-25 11:30:45 AM  
So is this how they plausibly deny all the the evidence that global warming isn't real?
 
2013-12-25 11:31:47 AM  

cryinoutloud: Don't Troll Me Bro!: That's the type of thing I figure people should use such a technology for.  I would bet just about anything (if it became low-risk and routine enough a procedure) that people will use it for things like forgetting their former boy/girlfriends, or any other assortment of memories that may be somewhat painful or embarrassing, but are important to have since we learned valuable things from them.

Yeah, somebody made a movie about that. I didn't like the movie, but the idea was very interesting to me: Do you want to forget your past loves and the pain of having your heart broken, if you forget the love too?

Somebody just broke my heart and I still have to say "no." But my ex-husband and the things that happened? I'd rather have gone through the rest of my life with a speckled memory than feel that feeling of wanting to blow my head off every single day for years to MAKE IT STOP.

/And some days I still want to.
//Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind


If you're the woman on the left in your profile pic, I'll make you forget all about him.

I know guys... the one on the right's cuter... but the one on the left has a better ass.
 
2013-12-25 11:33:29 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: We also drug people and cut out their vital organs in the name of medicine. This is the real world, not farking Star Trek.


They told my parents they had to remove the ruptured spleen to save my life. I don't recall being asked for my opinion and consent but then nobody listens to a 7 year old anyway.

"NOOOOO!!! If I survive they'll only make me go back to that horrible place! Why waste a perfectly good drunk driver?!?"

Fourth grade was even worse.
 
2013-12-25 11:36:17 AM  
There is no selectivity in this procedure and it is not just 'unwanted' memories they are erasing.  It's just destroying hippocampal tissue and all that goes with it.  It's like calling air strikes surgical -but even worse.
 
2013-12-25 11:36:52 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

/May have to pull this out today and watch it again
 
2013-12-25 11:39:09 AM  
 
2013-12-25 11:39:20 AM  
Maybe just take the vomit out of some otherwise very cool memories.
 
2013-12-25 11:41:49 AM  

brimed03: f you're the woman on the left in your profile pic, I'll make you forget all about him.
I know guys... the one on the right's cuter... but the one on the left has a better ass.


If I'm either one of those women, I'm over 100 years old. Are you sure?

/I'm, uh, closer in age to the one on the left.
 
2013-12-25 11:52:35 AM  

Fluid: The One True TheDavid:

If you don't recall the memory what have you learned? Does this wipe out only conscious memory or everything connected to the bothersome event?

That would feel kinda weird, suddenly knowing stuff and having skills you don't remember learning. It would certainly be an interesting life, being guided by your subconscious like that.


Let's see: I consciously recall learning to read, or at least learning how to teach myself to build on the base my father taught me; how to wipe my ass with six squares of neatly folded toilet paper, perhaps instead of half the roll, again by my father; my dad also taught me to cross the street (even jaywalk!), to re-lace and tie my shoes, and to sign my name in cursive before most kids could even spell theirs.

I recall being taught how to masturbate too but that's apparently not the kind of skill my father thought he had to impart. And being a drunk just came naturally once I somehow made it to age 42 without taking to drink.

There are lots of other skills I don't recall having been taught or teaching myself, at least not intentionally. So "unconscious learning" apparently works, though some skills I could have done without. Such as how to ritually purify everything about myself before leaving the house, how to keep repeating it until I got it right, and how to collapse in a tearful gibbering heap when nothing I did worked. Without a girlfriend to do my shopping for me I might've starved to death.

It might be better to pick and choose which specific memories to erase, which people to forget, etc. etc., but it's probably better all around to just get it quickly over with.
 
2013-12-25 11:53:25 AM  
Short term memory loss is a common side effect of the Grand Mal Seizure that ECT invokes.  If you had the patients read the story again, they would remember reading it before.

The memories are not erased. You just lose the pointers to the memory for a while.

ECT also has never been preformed on conscious patients.  You are put under anesthesia which also clouds short term memory, and prevents the seizure from making you convulse, making the process safer for everyone involved. Propofol (The stuff that killed michael jackson because he was taking it at home unsupervised.) is the most commonly used anesthetic for ECT.

ECT is beginning to be supplanted with Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, which can induce more targeted effects on the brain, without the need for anesthesia or a seizure.

/The shock is not what makes you better with ECT. It's the seizure that the shock invokes that causes the beneficial effects of ECT.
//Before they used electric shock, they used medications to induce seizures, which turned out to be far more dangerous.
 
2013-12-25 12:02:21 PM  

fluffy2097: The memories are not erased. You just lose the pointers to the memory for a while.


So you can't see it but it's still in there eating away at you? Like a tapeworm in your subconscious? If so, what good is that?

I keep telling my ex I don't need my head anyhow. Migraines, neuroses, the weight impinging on my degenerated cervical spine... Losing 33 years of mostly hell would be a pleasant side-effect. I'd even build the guillotine, if she'd drive the materials from Home Depot.
 
2013-12-25 12:30:51 PM  
Now all we need is a time machine...
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-25 12:41:55 PM  
How happy is the blameless vestal's lot!
The world forgetting, by the world forgot.
Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind!
Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned
 
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