If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Deadspin)   NCAA hockey player gets watch stolen from team locker room; coach reimburses player the cost for a replacement watch and now both of them have 3 games to think about what the NCAA considers "impermissible benefits"   (deadspin.com) divider line 47
    More: Stupid, NCAA, switches, locker room  
•       •       •

1209 clicks; posted to Sports » on 25 Dec 2013 at 8:50 AM (28 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



47 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2013-12-25 09:01:51 AM
And the suspensions were done even though the coach turned himself in, and to begin with the compliance person he spoke to originally about reimbursing the player gave the wrong advice. College sports can be as silly as pro sports.
 
2013-12-25 09:42:38 AM
I bet the guy handing down the suspension has a better watch.
 
2013-12-25 09:42:51 AM
Player will get additional three games and lose his scholarship when the thief fences the watch.
 
2013-12-25 09:45:53 AM
Modern slavery at it's finest
 
2013-12-25 09:51:17 AM

Lost Thought 00: Modern slavery at it's finest


This!
The NCAA is disgusting
 
2013-12-25 10:17:19 AM

Lost Thought 00: Modern slavery at it's finest


They get free clothes, therefore it's not slavery.
 
2013-12-25 10:22:12 AM
Damn lucky it wasn't a tattoo ... there'd be hell to pay
 
2013-12-25 10:33:11 AM

spiral8: Lost Thought 00: Modern slavery at it's finest

This!
The NCAA is disgusting


Let's at least get our outrage analogies right. It's indentured servitude at its finest.
 
2013-12-25 11:07:45 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: spiral8: Lost Thought 00: Modern slavery at it's finest

This!
The NCAA is disgusting

Let's at least get our outrage analogies right. It's indentured servitude at its finest.


I'd go with serfdom. The students aren't "owned" by the ncaa or the universities which would entail slavery. Their "labor" on the other hand is strictly for the benefit of the schools and the ncaa. Their movement is restricted (have to sit out a year if you transfer, etc.) and they can't directly benefit from their labor. That's serfdom. And, I might add, sick and wrong in any context, especially this one. But as long as those who benefit from the arrangement are the ones who make the rules, nothing is going to change.
 
2013-12-25 11:16:50 AM
Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?
 
2013-12-25 11:17:53 AM
If it was USC, they would have taken 8 scholarships for 6 years.  If it was Miami, they would have said, "please don't do it again, ok?"
 
2013-12-25 11:29:28 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: spiral8: Lost Thought 00: Modern slavery at it's finest

This!
The NCAA is disgusting

Let's at least get our outrage analogies right. It's indentured servitude at its finest.


Why not get it from the horse's mouth?  Walter Byers (first executive director of the NCAA) called it a "cartel" run with a "plantation mentality."  Sounds about right.
 
2013-12-25 11:36:04 AM

fatalvenom: Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?


.... Not sure if serious. The primary purpose of a watch is to tell time
 
2013-12-25 11:37:17 AM
dilettantegrrl: I'd go with serfdom. The students aren't "owned" by the ncaa or the universities which would entail slavery. Their "labor" on the other hand is strictly for the benefit of the schools and the ncaa. Their movement is restricted (have to sit out a year if you transfer, etc.) and they can't directly benefit from their labor. That's serfdom. And, I might add, sick and wrong in any context, especially this one. But as long as those who benefit from the arrangement are the ones who make the rules, nothing is going to change.

crow202.org
 
2013-12-25 11:43:08 AM

fatalvenom: Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?


Uh...to tell time?

I don't care what people say, wrist watches aren't going anywhere. It's still far easier to tell the time by glancing down at one's wrist than it is to fish one's phone out of a pocket or bag. Plus you can do it when your hands are full of other stuff.

Maybe when we're all wearing Google glasses, then wrist watches might go away. But until then, it's still the most convenient way to check the time.
 
2013-12-25 11:59:07 AM
Any word on sanctions, bans, or suspensions for those SEC football teams that were "allegedly" paying players?  No?  Ok, I'll wait some more.
 
2013-12-25 12:00:03 PM
Seriously? WTF.   just make them fill out the damn paperwork and move on no need to be a dick about it.
 
2013-12-25 12:14:59 PM
Giving $400 cash to a player is a straight up violation of NCAA rules.  The player should have known that, the coach should have known that.
 
2013-12-25 12:24:41 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Giving $400 cash to a player is a straight up violation of NCAA rules.  The player should have known that, the coach should have known that.


The coach knew that he would like to be a goddamned decent human being, and they already had gone and gotten advice about it. Advice that turned out to be wrong. If these are NCAA rules, then the rules are wrong and need to be changed.
 
2013-12-25 12:50:53 PM

dilettantegrrl: I'd go with serfdom. The students aren't "owned" by the ncaa or the universities which would entail slavery. Their "labor" on the other hand is strictly for the benefit of the schools and the ncaa. Their movement is restricted (have to sit out a year if you transfer, etc.) and they can't directly benefit from their labor. That's serfdom. And, I might add, sick and wrong in any context, especially this one. But as long as those who benefit from the arrangement are the ones who make the rules, nothing is going to change.


Let's forget that any of the "money" sports (football and basketball) provide a FREE ($40-$60,000 value, I'm probably under on a big school's tuition cost) scholarship to people who may have otherwise had no way of paying in order to try and get a better paying job just becuse they are big or run fast. Their 'labor' is playing a sport that they presumably enjoy enough that they would pay to play in a local beer league or be paid $50 a game by some minor league operation.

Sorry the kid got his watch stolen and that the coach has never watched ESPN in his life but don't cry to me about the slavery of playing sports.
 
2013-12-25 01:03:58 PM
Sharecroppers?
 
2013-12-25 01:28:33 PM

Foolkiller: Their 'labor' is playing a sport that they presumably enjoy enough that they would pay to play in a local beer league or be paid $50 a game by some minor league operation.


Not really. Football in particular is, a lot of the time, the kid's way of trying to pull the rest of the family out of some dire financial straits, same way boxers try to earn money prize fighting. And they'd never be able to afford college any other way: if they get cut from their college team or declared ineligible, they end up having to drop out pretty much immediately. And their college classes are basically chosen for them to maximize access to football; they learn jack shiat but get put in front of teachers who wouldn't dare try to flunk out the fourth-string punter let alone the starting quarterback no matter how poorly they do, and half the rest of the class is made up of teammates.
 
2013-12-25 01:31:07 PM

Gosling: Mr. Eugenides: Giving $400 cash to a player is a straight up violation of NCAA rules.  The player should have known that, the coach should have known that.

The coach knew that he would like to be a goddamned decent human being, and they already had gone and gotten advice about it. Advice that turned out to be wrong. If these are NCAA rules, then the rules are wrong and need to be changed.


No, this is not a gray area at all.  A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal.  A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get.  If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.
 
2013-12-25 01:38:28 PM

Mr. Eugenides: No, this is not a gray area at all. A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal. A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get. If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.


Well, then I'd be violating it too, and knowingly, because if I had the money I'd have done the same damned thing because that is what a decent person does. The kid had his farking watch stolen. Am I supposed to tell him to just sit and spin?
 
2013-12-25 01:42:23 PM

006andahalf: If it was USC, they would have taken 8 scholarships for 6 years.  If it was Miami, they would have said, "please don't do it again, ok?"


And if it was Ohio State, the head coach and president would be looking for work.
 
2013-12-25 01:45:56 PM

Gosling: Mr. Eugenides: No, this is not a gray area at all. A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal. A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get. If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.

Well, then I'd be violating it too, and knowingly, because if I had the money I'd have done the same damned thing because that is what a decent person does. The kid had his farking watch stolen. Am I supposed to tell him to just sit and spin?


Yes, that's exactly what you do if you care about him keeping his eligibility and scholarship.
 
2013-12-25 02:21:41 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Gosling: Mr. Eugenides: No, this is not a gray area at all. A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal. A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get. If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.

Well, then I'd be violating it too, and knowingly, because if I had the money I'd have done the same damned thing because that is what a decent person does. The kid had his farking watch stolen. Am I supposed to tell him to just sit and spin?

Yes, that's exactly what you do if you care about him keeping his eligibility and scholarship.


Keep pimping that rulebook, you authoritarian little sheep man. Baa at your masters while they rape your children.
 
2013-12-25 03:24:55 PM

Doc Daneeka: Maybe when we're all wearing Google glasses, then wrist watches might go away. But until then, it's still the most convenient way to check the time.


The only people I know who still wear a watch as anything other than tuxedo bling are guys much older than myself, or much, much younger, who are into it for the retro hipster vibe. Basically, 60+ or -20. Very few people are much concerned with being able to tell time at the literal flick of a wrist anymore. We're almost all back to fobbing it.
 
2013-12-25 04:49:30 PM

swahnhennessy: Doc Daneeka: Maybe when we're all wearing Google glasses, then wrist watches might go away. But until then, it's still the most convenient way to check the time.

The only people I know who still wear a watch as anything other than tuxedo bling are guys much older than myself, or much, much younger, who are into it for the retro hipster vibe. Basically, 60+ or -20. Very few people are much concerned with being able to tell time at the literal flick of a wrist anymore. We're almost all back to fobbing it.


I'm 44, my watch broke a month ago, and I farkin' missed it.  I was searching for a new one until my girlfriend bought me a new watch for Christmas.  Now my wrist feels whole again.

/KA-POW!
 
2013-12-25 05:28:38 PM

Doc Daneeka: fatalvenom: Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?

Uh...to tell time?

I don't care what people say, wrist watches aren't going anywhere. It's still far easier to tell the time by glancing down at one's wrist than it is to fish one's phone out of a pocket or bag. Plus you can do it when your hands are full of other stuff.

Maybe when we're all wearing Google glasses, then wrist watches might go away. But until then, it's still the most convenient way to check the time.


I don't know.

I myself used to love wearing an expensive "timepiece" to both know the time with the flick of the wrist and to be a douche with a nice watch.

Since the bracelet pin broke on my Omega 3 years ago, I haven't felt the need to get it fixed. I'm fine with looking at my phone.
 
2013-12-25 05:31:09 PM

swahnhennessy: Doc Daneeka: Maybe when we're all wearing Google glasses, then wrist watches might go away. But until then, it's still the most convenient way to check the time.

The only people I know who still wear a watch as anything other than tuxedo bling are guys much older than myself, or much, much younger, who are into it for the retro hipster vibe. Basically, 60+ or -20. Very few people are much concerned with being able to tell time at the literal flick of a wrist anymore. We're almost all back to fobbing it.


There's almost always a screen of some sort in visual range.  Almost all of them have the time in the bottom right hand corner.  I have two watches that sit in the top drawer of my dresser with the boxers and socks.
 
2013-12-25 05:55:09 PM
Lost Thought 00:

Keep pimping that rulebook, you authoritarian little sheep man. Baa at your masters while they rape your children.

Says someone who has never offered to pick up the dinner tab at a restaurant for a NCAA division 1 hockey player.  The rules are there to keep alumni at big schools with deep pockets from turning the college amateurs into paid players.  The rules may seem arbitrary, but any transfer to the player from the program to the player or from someone outside the program because he's a player can be at issue.

But please, keep on bloviating, I find your impotent rage amusing.
 
2013-12-25 06:03:52 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Says someone who has never offered to pick up the dinner tab at a restaurant for a NCAA division 1 hockey player. The rules are there to keep alumni at big schools with deep pockets from turning the college amateurs into paid players. The rules may seem arbitrary, but any transfer to the player from the program to the player or from someone outside the program because he's a player can be at issue.


And those rules work so well that nobody is ever caught breaking them until five, ten years later when half the players that took money, and probably the coach, are in the NFL- or even out of the NFL- and beyond the reach of the NCAA, who is left to unleash fire and brimstone on the small-time guys with noble intentions that they're actually able to catch.
 
2013-12-25 06:36:36 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Gosling: Mr. Eugenides: Giving $400 cash to a player is a straight up violation of NCAA rules.  The player should have known that, the coach should have known that.

The coach knew that he would like to be a goddamned decent human being, and they already had gone and gotten advice about it. Advice that turned out to be wrong. If these are NCAA rules, then the rules are wrong and need to be changed.

No, this is not a gray area at all.  A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal.  A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get.  If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.


Actually, no, it isn't a violation.

FTFA: The NCAA has waivers for incidents like the watch theft.

What waiver?  This waiver (page 2, three-quarters of the way down).
 
2013-12-25 06:57:33 PM

fatalvenom: Doc Daneeka: fatalvenom: Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?

Uh...to tell time?

I don't care what people say, wrist watches aren't going anywhere. It's still far easier to tell the time by glancing down at one's wrist than it is to fish one's phone out of a pocket or bag. Plus you can do it when your hands are full of other stuff.

Maybe when we're all wearing Google glasses, then wrist watches might go away. But until then, it's still the most convenient way to check the time.

I don't know.

I myself used to love wearing an expensive "timepiece" to both know the time with the flick of the wrist and to be a douche with a nice watch.

Since the bracelet pin broke on my Omega 3 years ago, I haven't felt the need to get it fixed. I'm fine with looking at my phone.


Not wearing a watch in a professional setting (business meetings, etc) always looks a bit unprofessional to me.   Sure there's probably a clock on the wall somewhere, or on a cell phone, but take some responsibility and keep the time on your wrist.  And wear a belt, even if your pants fit (Unless you're wearing suspenders.  Suspenders and a belt is a no-no).

my opinion.
 
2013-12-25 07:13:54 PM
I don't like wearing watches because whatever the material, my skin gets irritated.
 
2013-12-25 08:00:38 PM
I collect watches and as such I generally have or on at all times.

/Swiss automatics only
//got into vintage last yr, gawd I love watches
 
2013-12-25 08:27:47 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Mr. Eugenides: Gosling: Mr. Eugenides: Giving $400 cash to a player is a straight up violation of NCAA rules.  The player should have known that, the coach should have known that.

The coach knew that he would like to be a goddamned decent human being, and they already had gone and gotten advice about it. Advice that turned out to be wrong. If these are NCAA rules, then the rules are wrong and need to be changed.

No, this is not a gray area at all.  A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal.  A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get.  If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.

Actually, no, it isn't a violation.

FTFA: The NCAA has waivers for incidents like the watch theft.

What waiver?  This waiver (page 2, three-quarters of the way down).


Yep, they got three games suspensions for Failure to Fill Out a Form.
 
2013-12-25 09:03:47 PM

fatalvenom: Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?


Because some of us don't want to act like massive tools who can't function without whipping out a cellphone.
 
2013-12-25 09:15:27 PM
The NCAA is a joke. At least college hockey isn't as corrupted as the football, but it's all ridiculous.
 
2013-12-25 09:42:04 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Mr. Eugenides: Gosling: Mr. Eugenides: Giving $400 cash to a player is a straight up violation of NCAA rules.  The player should have known that, the coach should have known that.

The coach knew that he would like to be a goddamned decent human being, and they already had gone and gotten advice about it. Advice that turned out to be wrong. If these are NCAA rules, then the rules are wrong and need to be changed.

No, this is not a gray area at all.  A gray area is taking a hockey player out to dinner and paying for his meal.  A cash transfer from the coach to a player is as clear cut a violation as you can get.  If you don't believe me, ask Doug Woog about his magic toque.

Actually, no, it isn't a violation.

FTFA: The NCAA has waivers for incidents like the watch theft.

What waiver?  This waiver (page 2, three-quarters of the way down).


It's most certainly a violation since they didn't actually get the waiver.  I guarantee you that every coach and every player knows that the NCAA can and will punch your ticket for this sort of thing.
 
2013-12-25 10:45:03 PM
But yet a certain SEC school can have a coach "loan" a player some money and it's all gravy because he paid him back.
 
2013-12-25 10:58:36 PM

legion_of_doo: The NCAA is a joke. At least college hockey isn't as corrupted as the football, but it's all ridiculous.


Keep telling yourself that, kiddo.
 
2013-12-25 11:04:22 PM
Also, I wear a watch. Why? Because I like it.

/Wish I could afford a really nice watch.
// Opus 10 is on the list after I win the Bajillionaire lottery.
 
2013-12-25 11:56:42 PM

Alexei Novikov: fatalvenom: Unless you're rocking an expensive watch for status sake, why wear a watch to begin with?

Because some of us don't want to act like massive tools who can't function without whipping out a cellphone.


Personally, I couldn't give a fark what time it is...unless it's Happy Hour.

/drunk
 
2013-12-26 09:53:48 AM
Foolkiller:

Let's forget that any of the "money" sports (football and basketball) provide a FREE ($40-$60,000 value, I'm probably under on a big school's tuition cost) scholarship to people who may have otherwise had no way of paying in order to try and get a better paying job just becuse they are big or run fast. Their 'labor' is playing a sport that they presumably enjoy enough that they would pay to play in a local beer league or be paid $50 a game by some minor league operation.

Sorry the kid got his watch stolen and that the coach has never watched ESPN in his life but don't cry to me about the slavery of playing sports.



I'd agree with your assessment if the NCAA's policy was limited to "your payment in exchange for playing football is free tuition, so dont look to the team/school for extra money or benefits", but when they go beyond that and limit what someone can do off the field/campus, like signing autographs or endorsement deals, is when i take issue with the NCAA. Thats just pure greed on their part.
 
2013-12-26 02:51:27 PM

LemSkroob: I'd agree with your assessment if the NCAA's policy was limited to "your payment in exchange for playing football is free tuition, so dont look to the team/school for extra money or benefits", but when they go beyond that and limit what someone can do off the field/campus, like signing autographs or endorsement deals, is when i take issue with the NCAA. Thats just pure greed on their part.


That's not greed, that's the ethos of amateurism.  The NCAA turning around and making bank off the names and likenesses of those same students, that's greed.
 
Displayed 47 of 47 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report