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2013-12-24 07:57:43 PM
That adds up to a bunch of high-priced veterans clogging up the team's payroll, lineup and - too often - its disabled list, and cost-cutting at the margins that render the Yanks shallow at practically every position.

I wouldn't call them "shallow" at starting pitching or relieving.  Nor at catcher.  Nor at 1st.  Nor in the outfield.  Yeah, 2B is a big question mark, as is 3rd, and Jeter isn't exactly a defensive gem at SS.  But going into the season, I'd call the team mediocre, rather than shallow across the board.  And if A-Rod, Jeter, and Tex are all average, it'll be a big upgrade over last year's team, which despite everything hung in there until September.

Not to mention addition-by-subtraction, with the end of the Joba and Hughes era.

That said, I'll be happier when the Sabathia, Teixiera, and A-Rod contracts are done, and the team can truly rebuild without a lot of huge contracts limiting them.
 
2013-12-24 09:51:48 PM
Why does the link say "7"? Who did they leave off?
 
2013-12-24 10:32:22 PM

Irving Maimway: Why does the link say "7"? Who did they leave off?


Penn State
 
2013-12-24 10:43:44 PM

2wolves: Irving Maimway: Why does the link say "7"? Who did they leave off?

Penn State


Well played.
 
2013-12-24 10:54:50 PM

2wolves: Irving Maimway: Why does the link say "7"? Who did they leave off?

Penn State


Penn State is a mixed bad at this point.  I think it could actually be a great gig for the right coach.  Before Paterno's reputation was tarnished it would have been extremely difficult on the guy to fill his shoes.  Now, especially with the NCAA sanctions, the bar is set much lower.

As long as the coach can run a clean program I think he'll be given a lot of leeway.
 
2013-12-25 06:23:03 AM
any coach in north korea, iran, etc...a world cup soccer coach who does the incredible stupid and has to worry about being killed when he gets back home.
 
2013-12-25 06:25:03 AM

RodneyToady: That adds up to a bunch of high-priced veterans clogging up the team's payroll, lineup and - too often - its disabled list, and cost-cutting at the margins that render the Yanks shallow at practically every position.

I wouldn't call them "shallow" at starting pitching or relieving.  Nor at catcher.  Nor at 1st.  Nor in the outfield.  Yeah, 2B is a big question mark, as is 3rd, and Jeter isn't exactly a defensive gem at SS.  But going into the season, I'd call the team mediocre, rather than shallow across the board.  And if A-Rod, Jeter, and Tex are all average, it'll be a big upgrade over last year's team, which despite everything hung in there until September.

Not to mention addition-by-subtraction, with the end of the Joba and Hughes era.

That said, I'll be happier when the Sabathia, Teixiera, and A-Rod contracts are done, and the team can truly rebuild without a lot of huge contracts limiting them.


By shallow the writer means there isn't any players below the starters that are any good in the Yankees organization. The talent base is shallow. And that a fact.
 
2013-12-25 06:36:45 AM
Based on the size of the fanbase alone, I'd say Manchester United is #1.  Some say that 650+ million follow the team (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/may/29/manchester-united-pr em ierleague )
 
2013-12-25 07:07:51 AM
no working for Dan Snyder?
 
2013-12-25 07:24:20 AM
List fails without the Washington Redskins. Dan Snyder is worse than Jerry Jones: he's a Jerry Jones wannabe.
 
2013-12-25 07:39:27 AM
Toronto will be a tough coaching job.  You're under the microscope and your team always sucks.
 
2013-12-25 07:40:02 AM

Muta: Toronto will be a tough coaching job.  You're under the microscope and your team always sucks.


That would be the Toronto Maples Leafs.
 
2013-12-25 07:42:23 AM

rorgus: RodneyToady: That adds up to a bunch of high-priced veterans clogging up the team's payroll, lineup and - too often - its disabled list, and cost-cutting at the margins that render the Yanks shallow at practically every position.

I wouldn't call them "shallow" at starting pitching or relieving.  Nor at catcher.  Nor at 1st.  Nor in the outfield.  Yeah, 2B is a big question mark, as is 3rd, and Jeter isn't exactly a defensive gem at SS.  But going into the season, I'd call the team mediocre, rather than shallow across the board.  And if A-Rod, Jeter, and Tex are all average, it'll be a big upgrade over last year's team, which despite everything hung in there until September.

Not to mention addition-by-subtraction, with the end of the Joba and Hughes era.

That said, I'll be happier when the Sabathia, Teixiera, and A-Rod contracts are done, and the team can truly rebuild without a lot of huge contracts limiting them.

By shallow the writer means there isn't any players below the starters that are any good in the Yankees organization. The talent base is shallow. And that a fact.


Yep.

Mile wide, inch deep.
 
2013-12-25 07:53:55 AM
In contrast:

twinstrivia.com
3 straight seasons chasing 100 losses... will try again next year.

Not really his fault, though. Ownership bears the brunt of the blame.
 
2013-12-25 09:00:12 AM

starlost: any coach in north korea, iran, etc...a world cup soccer coach who does the incredible stupid and has to worry about being killed when he gets back home.


With all due respect to every other team on this list, they will almost certainly never be threatened with execution for failing to win.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/2010/07/30/north_korea_soccer_co a ch_fears_for_his_life.html
 
2013-12-25 09:20:28 AM
I never understood the annual "fire Girardi" cries from some fans. Yeah, he sometimes makes questionable on-field decisions (name one manager that doesn't), but I daresay he's handled the team better than anyone recently, even Torre (Torre had a LOT more to work with, talentwise). Plus, fire him and replace him with -who- exactly?

The Knicks will never win anything so long as Dolan owns the team.

I have to agree with Snyder being worse than Jerruh. Jerry occasionally makes good decisions.
 
2013-12-25 09:26:03 AM
tito did a good job this year, what's to be angry about?
 
2013-12-25 09:28:55 AM
I have 2 :

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Fan base is all but gone and unlike most other NFL teams ( New England and New Orleans for example ) their owners are at EVERY game, The Glazers are never ever seen here in Tampa and never at a Bucs game, but they are regularly seen at Man U. matches. No support from the ownership or fan base and a football franchise that needs to be disassembled all the way down to the water boy.

2 Tampa Bay Rays. No attendance = no $$$ for players. Joe Madden coaches and motivates these AA and AAA players to 95 wins a year. Possibly one of the top 3 managers in MLB. Attendance? Well ...... ever been to the Tropicana Field?

/ Rays soon to be in Charlotte NC or Las Vegas NV
?? Bucs... the end can't come soon enough
 
2013-12-25 09:33:36 AM
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2013-12-25 09:35:21 AM

tampaflacouple: 2 Tampa Bay Rays. No attendance = no $$$ for players. Joe Madden coaches and motivates these AA and AAA players to 95 wins a year. Possibly one of the top 3 managers in MLB. Attendance? Well ...... ever been to the Tropicana Field?


You're seriously undervaluing the Rays' players. They're hardly "AA and AAA". They have great players.. which are raided by other teams every year, which does reinforce your other point, attendance, as to one of the main reasons they can't keep those players around. The problem is that the Rays play in one of the worst two stadiums in the league, and unlike their counterparts in Oakland who are being kept in their dump by external forces, the Rays are married to theirs by a truly awful lease with the city of St. Pete.

I agree though, that I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rays in North Carolina over the next decade.
 
2013-12-25 09:37:03 AM

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..yeah.. which is why it ALSO amazed me why Cubs fans thought they were gonna lure Girardi away every time his contract was up
 
2013-12-25 10:11:51 AM
As none of them have ever had to live under 24 hour security after having been assaulted, threatened with murder and sent bombs in the post, I would have to disagree with those being the absolute hardest.
 
2013-12-25 10:44:58 AM

Muta: Toronto will be a tough coaching job.  You're under the microscope and your team always sucks.


Toronto isn't a tough city to coach in.  The fans are used to losing.  Montreal, on the other hand...

I'd also add the Saskatchewan Roughriders on this list.  Rabid Rider fans have run more than one losing coach out of town on a rail.  And if you're really special, they'll dump a load of manure on your neighbour's driveway.
 
2013-12-25 11:19:16 AM

Serious Black: starlost: any coach in north korea, iran, etc...a world cup soccer coach who does the incredible stupid and has to worry about being killed when he gets back home.

With all due respect to every other team on this list, they will almost certainly never be threatened with execution for failing to win.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/2010/07/30/north_korea_soccer_co a ch_fears_for_his_life.html


That guy wound up with his party membership revoked (I.e. blacklisted for life) and sent to a forced labor camp for the Portugal drubbing.
 
2013-12-25 11:19:39 AM
Tennessee vols football would be pretty tough with the amount of expectations versus where the team actually is
 
2013-12-25 11:31:38 AM

The Bestest: tampaflacouple: 2 Tampa Bay Rays. No attendance = no $$$ for players. Joe Madden coaches and motivates these AA and AAA players to 95 wins a year. Possibly one of the top 3 managers in MLB. Attendance? Well ...... ever been to the Tropicana Field?

You're seriously undervaluing the Rays' players. They're hardly "AA and AAA". They have great players.. which are raided by other teams every year, which does reinforce your other point, attendance, as to one of the main reasons they can't keep those players around. The problem is that the Rays play in one of the worst two stadiums in the league, and unlike their counterparts in Oakland who are being kept in their dump by external forces, the Rays are married to theirs by a truly awful lease with the city of St. Pete.

I agree though, that I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rays in North Carolina over the next decade.


Fact is the Rays have no attendance because Tampa has to many sport teams. Lightnings? bucs? I think there are barely 4 million people around tampa bay area, added fact few years ago the Rays went to the play offs, gave out 20,000 FREE tickets and they still didn't fill up the playoff games.
Biggest problem is the Rays love living off luxury tax, every time the yankees go overboard the rays dont have to worry about money, which from what I read the other day, many other teams are pissed off. Why? They refuse to spend money, buy players or advertise - other teams like Boston who have to spend money are not happy rays just live off the crumbs. They slide under the radar by giving one player a contract and that's it - look who they signed so far in the off season...

They won't go broke any time soon not with the amount of luxury tax they bank, however I would be glad if MLB boots the rays and brings back montreal.
 
2013-12-25 12:17:31 PM
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2013-12-25 12:41:20 PM
Speaking as an "angrily disagreeing Cleveland fan," I got news for you.
This year is pretty much different. There's just a sense nothingness with a lot of us. No anger, sadness, frustration, or even mourning. Just shrugging of shoulders and moving on to the next season. (Cavs, in case you had to think about it.) The jokes used to be funny or offending, just bounce off us like the quirt just slaps the hide of the proverbial dead horse.
We've tried anger, shame, martyrdom, optimism, patience, vengeance, etc...to keep our emotional stock in our sports teams high. But like the stages of mourning, you eventually reach acceptance. Our teams are either going to win or they won't. And they haven't. It's a tough road and only one of them is equipped to make it very far without miraculous surprises. We've all got destinies; our just hasn't involved winning and will likely include much of it. Maybe we will get our "one before we die," and maybe not.
So...just letting you know.
Have a Merry Christmas.
 
2013-12-25 12:49:55 PM
Really?  The Yankees over the Mariners?  The Mariners have no championships, annual high expectations, dwindling crowds, a front office that treats the club like a business rather than a sports club, and managers that only stick around for 2 years at most since Lou Piniella left.  It's a revolving door club often referred to as the Yankees' 4A farm team.  With the way the front office does things, it's amazing the Mariners are still profitable, especially with fans wanting quick results.  They would finish in the cellar of the AL West if it wasn't for the Astros.
 
2013-12-25 01:16:03 PM
What a pathetic list. Indiana Hoosiers football? Being in a situation where you're the red-headed stepchild to a vastly more popular sport (basketball) isn't pressure, it's a job feature. See: Duke football, USC basketball.

The Cubs? Cushiest job in baseball. It doesn't matter how bad the team is, idiot$ will $till $how up in $ufficient number$ to that aged, decrepit, smelly ballpark to make a concept like "winning" or "contending" moot.

No Lakers head coach? Unlike the dreary Knicks, at least the Lakers have won a title since since Nixon was president.

No manager of the English national football team? Hahahaha, FAIL. At least they'll always have 1966.

Gordon Bennett: As none of them have ever had to live under 24 hour security after having been assaulted, threatened with murder and sent bombs in the post, I would have to disagree with those being the absolute hardest.

This, plus the whole "disappeared because North Korea didn't qualify for the World Cup" type jobs.
 
2013-12-25 01:21:12 PM
Why is Indiana on here? 'Bad team in the Big 10' is a pathetic reason. How about Kentucky Football? Constantly overshadowed by the Basketball team (always a Championship contender) AND bottom of the barrel in the most powerful Football conference (who always has multiple teams in contention). There are far worse coaching jobs than IU.
 
2013-12-25 01:40:33 PM

Henry Holland: What a pathetic list. Indiana Hoosiers football? Being in a situation where you're the red-headed stepchild to a vastly more popular sport (basketball) isn't pressure, it's a job feature. See: Duke football, USC basketball.

The Cubs? Cushiest job in baseball. It doesn't matter how bad the team is, idiot$ will $till $how up in $ufficient number$ to that aged, decrepit, smelly ballpark to make a concept like "winning" or "contending" moot.

No Lakers head coach? Unlike the dreary Knicks, at least the Lakers have won a title since since Nixon was president.

No manager of the English national football team? Hahahaha, FAIL. At least they'll always have 1966.

Gordon Bennett: As none of them have ever had to live under 24 hour security after having been assaulted, threatened with murder and sent bombs in the post, I would have to disagree with those being the absolute hardest.

This, plus the whole "disappeared because North Korea didn't qualify for the World Cup" type jobs.


I have to agree.  The toughest jobs are for teams that used to be powerhouses and whose fans expect a powerhouse every year, but can't regain their powerhouse status for whatever reason.  The first job that comes to mind is Nebraska football, where all the fans expect a return to the Tom Osborne days even though Nebraska doesn't have the money/recruiting/steroid advantages that they used to have anymore.
 
2013-12-25 01:46:00 PM
Tenn would probably be the worst gig to have in college football at the moment, the fanbase has high expectations from the glory days in the late 90s/early oughts but the program has been sub .500 for so long now that its gonna be hard to get the sort of talent you need to have a winning record in the SEC before the school gives up on that coach and gets another one. Seriously ITS A TRAP!
 
2013-12-25 01:54:12 PM

Beware_Me: Henry Holland: What a pathetic list. Indiana Hoosiers football? Being in a situation where you're the red-headed stepchild to a vastly more popular sport (basketball) isn't pressure, it's a job feature. See: Duke football, USC basketball.

The Cubs? Cushiest job in baseball. It doesn't matter how bad the team is, idiot$ will $till $how up in $ufficient number$ to that aged, decrepit, smelly ballpark to make a concept like "winning" or "contending" moot.

No Lakers head coach? Unlike the dreary Knicks, at least the Lakers have won a title since since Nixon was president.

No manager of the English national football team? Hahahaha, FAIL. At least they'll always have 1966.

Gordon Bennett: As none of them have ever had to live under 24 hour security after having been assaulted, threatened with murder and sent bombs in the post, I would have to disagree with those being the absolute hardest.

This, plus the whole "disappeared because North Korea didn't qualify for the World Cup" type jobs.

I have to agree.  The toughest jobs are for teams that used to be powerhouses and whose fans expect a powerhouse every year, but can't regain their powerhouse status for whatever reason.  The first job that comes to mind is Nebraska football, where all the fans expect a return to the Tom Osborne days even though Nebraska doesn't have the money/recruiting/steroid advantages that they used to have anymore.


Those types of jobs can still be a good launching pad for a better one.  Go in, improve the record by any means necessary for a season or two, and jump ship when the job you really want opens up with your recent turnaround of a once storied program as the highlight of your resume, and be thousands of miles away when the shiat hits the fan for whatever you did to get those wins.

On the other hand your schools like Indiana, Duke, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Vanderbuilt, etc, are often dead ends.  A real superstar coach might be able to go in and build a powerhouse program over time, but the odds are against them just due to reputation and institutional support (which is often the big reason perpetually struggling programs struggle).  For a coach looking for a steady gig with low expectations they can be an attractive option, but for someone looking to helm a top tier program having Indiana on the resume doesn't look as good as Nebraska or Tennessee.
 
2013-12-25 02:36:58 PM

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Thanks for the TF. I will use it unwisely.
 
2013-12-25 02:57:00 PM

uncleacid: bearded clamorer: [s17.postimg.org image 638x458]

Thanks for the TF. I will use it unwisely.


Happy holidays!
 
2013-12-25 03:11:32 PM

Oldiron_79: Tenn would probably be the worst gig to have in college football at the moment, the fanbase has high expectations from the glory days in the late 90s/early oughts but the program has been sub .500 for so long now that its gonna be hard to get the sort of talent you need to have a winning record in the SEC before the school gives up on that coach and gets another one. Seriously ITS A TRAP!


I would argue that Tenn's lack of success has a lot to do with their coaching.  I mean, they had commits from both Bryce Petty and and Tahj Boyd when they hired Kiffen and he dropped both those offers.
 
2013-12-25 03:35:11 PM

Polish Brainiac: Speaking as an "angrily disagreeing Cleveland fan," I got news for you.
This year is pretty much different. There's just a sense nothingness with a lot of us. No anger, sadness, frustration, or even mourning. Just shrugging of shoulders and moving on to the next season. (Cavs, in case you had to think about it.) The jokes used to be funny or offending, just bounce off us like the quirt just slaps the hide of the proverbial dead horse.
We've tried anger, shame, martyrdom, optimism, patience, vengeance, etc...to keep our emotional stock in our sports teams high. But like the stages of mourning, you eventually reach acceptance. Our teams are either going to win or they won't. And they haven't. It's a tough road and only one of them is equipped to make it very far without miraculous surprises. We've all got destinies; our just hasn't involved winning and will likely include much of it. Maybe we will get our "one before we die," and maybe not.
So...just letting you know.
Have a Merry Christmas.


This.

Mrs. Green and I have 4 sons.  Four boys, all involved in sports, who live in the Cleveland area.  None of them give a rat's ass about Cleveland's pro sports teams.  Neither do their friends.  The closest we'll get is a mid-summer Tribe game on a warm summer night just for the fun of getting out.  We do that maybe once or twice a year and leave in the 8th to beat the crowd.  They got their luxury boxes and fans in suits, but they've lost the walk up fan.

The hardest part about coaching in Cleveland is being told by the p.r. department to rave about the best fans in the land when they know it's b.s.
 
2013-12-25 03:51:41 PM
Beware_Me:I have to agree.  The toughest jobs are for teams that used to be powerhouses and whose fans expect a powerhouse every year, but can't regain their powerhouse status for whatever reason.  The first job that comes to mind is Nebraska football, where all the fans expect a return to the Tom Osborne days even though Nebraska doesn't have the money/recruiting/steroid advantages that they used to have anymore.

So...like the Mariners, who were a power house from '95 to '01, but now aren't even good enough to be mired in mediocrity.
 
2013-12-25 03:53:10 PM
I would say being a chelsea manager would be tougher than Man United.  Hey you just won the champions league....but you have your first losing streak....be gone boy!
 
2013-12-25 03:54:50 PM
This just in, fan bases and owners with high expectations and winning traditions (or delusions) aren't easy places to coach in unless you're winning consistently.

/IU football?  They're happy to beat a top five Big 10 team each year.
 
2013-12-25 04:17:25 PM
Can not BELIEVE Washington's NFL team isn't on this list. Dan Snyder is Al Davis without the football knowledge or the people skills.
 
2013-12-25 05:53:54 PM
The first five make sense. Then #6 wtf?
 
2013-12-25 06:26:40 PM
I would think being the Coach of Les Habs would be on that list.
 
2013-12-25 10:19:02 PM
In college basketball I would say (in no order) Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Indiana, UCLA are the hardest jobs to have to take over.  Once Coach K leaves Duke and Boeheim leaves Syracuse those two jobs will join that list.

/Surprised Notre Dame football hasn't been mentioned in this thread
 
2013-12-25 10:25:11 PM

Polish Brainiac: Speaking as an "angrily disagreeing Cleveland fan," I got news for you.
This year is pretty much different. There's just a sense nothingness with a lot of us. No anger, sadness, frustration, or even mourning. Just shrugging of shoulders and moving on to the next season. (Cavs, in case you had to think about it.) The jokes used to be funny or offending, just bounce off us like the quirt just slaps the hide of the proverbial dead horse.
We've tried anger, shame, martyrdom, optimism, patience, vengeance, etc...to keep our emotional stock in our sports teams high. But like the stages of mourning, you eventually reach acceptance. Our teams are either going to win or they won't. And they haven't. It's a tough road and only one of them is equipped to make it very far without miraculous surprises. We've all got destinies; our just hasn't involved winning and will likely include much of it. Maybe we will get our "one before we die," and maybe not.
So...just letting you know.
Have a Merry Christmas.


Swap out "Cleveland Browns" for "Oakland Raiders" and it still applies.

Merry f'ing Christmas.
 
2013-12-25 11:47:00 PM

zombiegoat: Swap out "Cleveland Browns" for "Oakland Raiders" and it still applies.

Merry f'ing Christmas.


If Mark fires McKenzie and Allen after this year I'd agree.  Would it have been nice fir this team to get 6 or 7 wins? Sure, but with no future at QB, WR's practically off the street, and a patchwork defense in one of the toughest divisions this year it's hard complain.
 
2013-12-26 01:04:07 AM
How is Notre Dame football not on this list? You have to deal with rabid alumni, rich donors, a television network paying millions per year, usually the toughest schedule in the country year in and year out, and the highest academic standards.
 
2013-12-26 08:19:13 AM

unyon: Muta: Toronto will be a tough coaching job.  You're under the microscope and your team always sucks.

Toronto isn't a tough city to coach in.  The fans are used to losing.  Montreal, on the other hand...

I'd also add the Saskatchewan Roughriders on this list.  Rabid Rider fans have run more than one losing coach out of town on a rail.  And if you're really special, they'll dump a load of manure on your neighbour's driveway.


Don't be silly.  We only do that to kickers who miss chip shots in pivotal games.

//2013 Grey Cup Champs!
 
2013-12-26 04:08:21 PM
(1) Manchester United -- okay, I don't follow soccer, but that seems fine.

(2) Yankees?  Any asshole who's followed the game for years and understands the stats could manage a baseball team.  There's no actual coaching involved.

(3) Coaching the Cowboys is easy as long as you let that white trash cartoon pretend to be a GM.  Were it any other way, the Ginger would've been gone long ago, and Romo with him.

(4) Kentucky basketball?  Okay, certainly high expectations, but Kentucky pretty much recruits itself at this point, doesn't it?  If you can recruit well enough in CBB and aren't a complete idiot, eventually you'll win.

(5) No one other than Spike Lee cares about the Knicks.

(6) Indiana is basically Duke without no money and a shiattier recruiting region.  Indiana football is basically Knicks basketball, but with John Mellencamp replacing Spike Lee.

The toughest jobs should be whatever the toughest jobs in college football are.  Year-round, 10- to 20-hour per day coaching, recruiting, fundraising, and all that shiat, with lower salaries than the NFL.
 
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