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2013-12-24 10:13:33 AM  
He seriously closed a freeway as payback?
 
2013-12-24 10:18:00 AM  

MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?


No, that's ridiculous. Who would do that? Come on, guys, let's talk about something important.

/That is literally his defense.
 
2013-12-24 10:39:33 AM  

MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?


Looking like...  Yes.  A buddy of his appointed to the Commission closed the lanes without telling anyone else in the organization that he was going to do it and there's no evidence that ANY sort of traffic study was carried out.
 
2013-12-24 10:46:22 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?

Looking like...  Yes.  A buddy of his appointed to the Commission closed the lanes without telling anyone else in the organization that he was going to do it and there's no evidence that ANY sort of traffic study was carried out.


Well, it's petty and he shouldn't oughta done that, but that takes a tremendous amount of balls.
 
2013-12-24 10:49:14 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?

Looking like...  Yes.  A buddy of his appointed to the Commission closed the lanes without telling anyone else in the organization that he was going to do it and there's no evidence that ANY sort of traffic study was carried out.


IIRC, it was an old buddy from his school days who didn't have to interview for his job, and the job had no official job description.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:40 AM  

Alphax: Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?

Looking like...  Yes.  A buddy of his appointed to the Commission closed the lanes without telling anyone else in the organization that he was going to do it and there's no evidence that ANY sort of traffic study was carried out.

IIRC, it was an old buddy from his school days who didn't have to interview for his job, and the job had no official job description.


He's quite a guy.
 
2013-12-24 11:04:22 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Alphax: Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?

Looking like...  Yes.  A buddy of his appointed to the Commission closed the lanes without telling anyone else in the organization that he was going to do it and there's no evidence that ANY sort of traffic study was carried out.

IIRC, it was an old buddy from his school days who didn't have to interview for his job, and the job had no official job description.

He's quite a guy.


"had no knowledge of..." It looks like Overzealous Staffer strikes again!
 
2013-12-24 11:49:34 AM  
And if it somehow proved to be true that there was some kind of traffic study going on, if I were in Fort Lee I'd be equally pissed that Christie and a few of his lackeys at the Port Authority decided to fark up my life for several days just to see what would happen.

I mean, there were huge problems -- ambulances being delayed, school buses not making it to school on time, and so on. Political payback or useless bullshiat traffic study, either way, it's really bad.
 
2013-12-24 11:51:03 AM  

MFAWG: Satanic_Hamster: MFAWG: He seriously closed a freeway as payback?

Looking like...  Yes.  A buddy of his appointed to the Commission closed the lanes without telling anyone else in the organization that he was going to do it and there's no evidence that ANY sort of traffic study was carried out.

Well, it's petty and he shouldn't oughta done that, but that takes a tremendous amount of balls.


It does, but being a coward is one thing no sane person should ever accuse Christie of being.
 
2013-12-24 11:53:44 AM  
Seems illogical to do that and actually sounds like BS since it wouldn't "send a message" to anyone. If it's true, just seems like a random thing to do, for no reason.

Also Politifact is terrible these days.
 
2013-12-24 12:08:23 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: Seems illogical to do that and actually sounds like BS since it wouldn't "send a message" to anyone. If it's true, just seems like a random thing to do, for no reason.

Also Politifact is terrible these days.


I don't know about "sending a message" but maybe -- if it was a conspiracy -- the purpose was to make everybody in town miserable and blame the mayor for it.  Fort Lee is a small town and apparently, the entire town came to a stop for a day.

Since the story just came out in the last couple of weeks I thought it might also have been to delay traffic so people can't get home to vote, but the timing isn't right for that since the actual lane closures were all the way back in September.

Anyway, nobody's talking, so it's all speculation.
 
2013-12-24 12:27:31 PM  
The lanes are for those entering from the town's main east-west road, which could be anyone traveling from SE Bergen County or anyone who bailed out of Route 4 or the Palisades Parkway from other parts of Bergen County.
 
2013-12-24 12:35:28 PM  
Seems like an awful stretch to even call it a lie because the lanes are only located there and not reserved for residents only.
 
2013-12-24 12:44:40 PM  

Arkanaut: Fantasta Potamus: Seems illogical to do that and actually sounds like BS since it wouldn't "send a message" to anyone. If it's true, just seems like a random thing to do, for no reason.

Also Politifact is terrible these days.

I don't know about "sending a message" but maybe -- if it was a conspiracy -- the purpose was to make everybody in town miserable and blame the mayor for it.  Fort Lee is a small town and apparently, the entire town came to a stop for a day.

Since the story just came out in the last couple of weeks I thought it might also have been to delay traffic so people can't get home to vote, but the timing isn't right for that since the actual lane closures were all the way back in September.

Anyway, nobody's talking, so it's all speculation.


Good point.

I thought about the voting aspect too. If it happened to prevent voting, that would be a scandal.

We will see what's going on soon it seems, but if it was to make an opposition party look bad, it could be worth looking into.
 
2013-12-24 01:33:33 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: Seems illogical to do that and actually sounds like BS since it wouldn't "send a message" to anyone. If it's true, just seems like a random thing to do, for no reason.


Actually, it's very much in character for Christie:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/nyregion/accounts-of-petty-retribu ti on-reinforce-christies-bullying-image.html?_r=0
 
2013-12-24 02:15:37 PM  
I've said this before about Politifact and I will say it again, Politifact has zero credibility and needs to go away.
 
2013-12-24 02:20:17 PM  

dababler: I've said this before about Politifact and I will say it again, Politifact has zero credibility and needs to go away.


I hear that argument mostly from people who attack it when it calls someone on their side a liar, but who conveniently loves it when they call someone on the other side a liar.

What, exactly, makes Politifact so bad?
 
2013-12-24 02:30:58 PM  

grumpfuff: dababler: I've said this before about Politifact and I will say it again, Politifact has zero credibility and needs to go away.

I hear that argument mostly from people who attack it when it calls someone on their side a liar, but who conveniently loves it when they call someone on the other side a liar.

What, exactly, makes Politifact so bad?


They farked up pretty badly with the "ending Medicare" ads. But a lot of people make that out to be more damning than it is. (To be honest, I found those ads to be somewhat misleading, but they weren't "pants on fire" dishonest and certainly not the lie of the year.) Overall I still think they're pretty good, except for that one misguided effort to appear evenhanded.
 
2013-12-24 03:52:41 PM  

grumpfuff: What, exactly, makes Politifact so bad?


They desperately want to be taken seriously as non-partisan which leads to things like proclaiming a statement they had previously rated as being "half-true" as being the "Lie of the Year". Not to mention, the Medicare "Lie of the Year" two years ago which was an actual statement of truth.
 
2013-12-24 04:10:51 PM  

Aexia: grumpfuff: What, exactly, makes Politifact so bad?

They desperately want to be taken seriously as non-partisan which leads to things like proclaiming a statement they had previously rated as being "half-true" as being the "Lie of the Year". Not to mention, the Medicare "Lie of the Year" two years ago which was an actual statement of truth.


Yeah, it fell prey to "working the ref" like so many would-be fact-checkers.

Completely ignoring all the lies of quality where Politifact would rate similar lies with dissimilar scales ("fair and balanced" anyone?) they straight-up get shiat wrong.  They have straight-up gotten things wrong and stuck to their guns because fark the truth, they've gotta support the Republican agenda or they'll get hate mail.

Are they the worst?  No.  People overstate it the same as when people say EA is "the Worst company of the year."

But it betrayed its principles, it degraded from a fresh breath of honest objectivity to another corrupted, manipulated mouthpiece of the Conservative Mainstream Media and it continues to wear the mask of its former self.  Feelings of betrayal and feelings of disappointment lead to a more zealous denunciation.

Speaking of zeal and my previous joke about Overzealous staffers, I think that is actually what has happened here.  CC got his buddy a job and was basically leaving it at that when said buddy decided to repay the kindness by helping out with CC's campaigns.  He's buying up domain names (to squat on 'em) and picking Jersey-boy fights with Christie's enemies because he's loyal and dumb.

Of course this means Chris Christie has a history of appointing idiots to positions of power and letting them make dumb, childish moves, so it is a fairly petty distinction.
 
2013-12-24 04:45:45 PM  

TheBigJerk: Of course this means Chris Christie has a history of appointing idiots to positions of power and letting them make dumb, childish moves, so it is a fairly petty distinction.


I'm in the same boat. Overzealous Staffer was legitimately responsible for once but Christie's attempts to make this a non-issue is making people think he was behind it after all.
 
2013-12-24 05:29:19 PM  

Aexia: TheBigJerk: Of course this means Chris Christie has a history of appointing idiots to positions of power and letting them make dumb, childish moves, so it is a fairly petty distinction.

I'm in the same boat. Overzealous Staffer was legitimately responsible for once but Christie's attempts to make this a non-issue is making people think he was behind it after all.


This was my impression as well. Christie at the very least deserves some heat for putting this numbskull in a position of authority.
 
2013-12-24 05:56:24 PM  

TheBigJerk: they've gotta support the Republican agenda or they'll get hate mail.


Man, the things you folks have to believe in just to get by. Relax. It's Christmas.
 
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