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2013-12-24 09:51:28 AM
Honey, have you seen my tie? ...Oh, gods.
 
2013-12-24 09:56:46 AM
About to have my first so this is relevant to my interests. I work for an S&P and I believe I get an 'off-the-record' week where I can work from home after the birth. Other than that I get nothing in the way of paternity leave. As such wifey is going to have to stop working all together which is going to half our overall income. We won't be starving but the budget will be a tight one. Thanks god for a low apr mortgage and no car payments or debt (other than a small student loan).
/CSB
 
2013-12-24 10:06:56 AM
My employer (one of the ten worst companies to work for according to a recent survey) was 'gracious' enough to allow me to use 2 weeks of my vacation time to be at home when my son was born.  There is no heart in corporations (even though they are 'people').  I hope my children will have better opportunity to enjoy the birth of my grandchildren but I doubt it.

/Considering a career change
 
2013-12-24 10:11:39 AM
It seems there are still some businesses out there that don't offer paternity leave to new fathers are begging for a discrimination lawsuit.
 
2013-12-24 10:13:25 AM
My company gave me an two extra paid weeks off. Along with thxgiving and a couple vacation days I took three weeks off in total.

I just went back to work for four days and now I'm off until Jan 2, all paid. :D

I love advertising.
 
2013-12-24 10:15:26 AM

lilbordr: About to have my first so this is relevant to my interests. I work for an S&P and I believe I get an 'off-the-record' week where I can work from home after the birth. Other than that I get nothing in the way of paternity leave. As such wifey is going to have to stop working all together which is going to half our overall income. We won't be starving but the budget will be a tight one. Thanks god for a low apr mortgage and no car payments or debt (other than a small student loan).
/CSB


Um, no.

Paternity leave is something I've never heard of before; but, in the US, your short term disability insurance covers maternity leave.  Yes, that means the "most progressive countries in the world" offer up to 42 days maternity leave, but in the backwards US you get 90 days paid maternity leave.

It's probably 2/3 of your salary.  If it comes out of your pay, it's probably tax-free; if the company includes it without taking it out of your paycheck, you'll probably be taxed on it.  Seeing as most people pay around 30%, 66% of your salary tax-free is almost full income.
 
2013-12-24 10:27:42 AM
More paternity leave is great!
 
2013-12-24 10:34:57 AM
When my daughter was born, I worked for one of the largest labor & employment law firms in the world. Luckily I was living in California, which mandates paternity leave. I took seven weeks off. It was an amazing time, especially since my daughter was born in Japan.
 
2013-12-24 10:43:29 AM
I was blessed to have a 10-day (yes, ten-day) leave when I gave birth the first time.

And I'm the MOTHER!

/So shut up and get off my bassinet.
 
2013-12-24 10:53:40 AM

bluefoxicy: in the backwards US you get 90 days paid maternity leave.


wat
 
2013-12-24 11:02:14 AM

bluefoxicy: lilbordr: About to have my first so this is relevant to my interests. I work for an S&P and I believe I get an 'off-the-record' week where I can work from home after the birth. Other than that I get nothing in the way of paternity leave. As such wifey is going to have to stop working all together which is going to half our overall income. We won't be starving but the budget will be a tight one. Thanks god for a low apr mortgage and no car payments or debt (other than a small student loan).
/CSB

Um, no.

Paternity leave is something I've never heard of before; but, in the US, your short term disability insurance covers maternity leave.  Yes, that means the "most progressive countries in the world" offer up to 42 days maternity leave, but in the backwards US you get 90 days paid maternity leave.

It's probably 2/3 of your salary.  If it comes out of your pay, it's probably tax-free; if the company includes it without taking it out of your paycheck, you'll probably be taxed on it.  Seeing as most people pay around 30%, 66% of your salary tax-free is almost full income.


If, and only if, your company offers it and/or you pay the premiums, which are often on you. Not all companies offer it -- I'd say the minority do -- and I'm fairly sure you often cannot use it for paternity leave.
 
2013-12-24 11:08:26 AM

lostcat: When my daughter was born, I worked for one of the largest labor & employment law firms in the world. Luckily I was living in California, which mandates paternity leave. I took seven weeks off. It was an amazing time, especially since my daughter was born in Japan.


Was that paid or unpaid?  I know some of the states have FMLA or something, but the act doesn't mandate pay and so usually it's leave without pay.  Essentially it's a law that says you can elect to not come to work and not get paid and your employer cannot fire you or otherwise retaliate.

EatHam: wat


This chart:

thinkprogress.org

is a lie.  Short-term disability will pay maternity leave for 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) usually, in some cases up to 90 days.  I've seen 4 months (120 days).  It's a crap-shoot, but at a minimum you're up there with Norway and Canada.
 
2013-12-24 11:14:02 AM

PsychoTherapist: If, and only if, your company offers it and/or you pay the premiums, which are often on you. Not all companies offer it -- I'd say the minority do -- and I'm fairly sure you often cannot use it for paternity leave.


You can buy it for about $5/month or so.  Hell you could get it from Aflac.

If your company offers it, it's probably $4-$6 for long term and $3-4 for short term, about $10 per 2 weeks pay.  If your company pays for it, you pay taxes on it when you take it; if you pay the premium, you get the pay-out tax-free if you make a claim.

You can usually use it for maternity leave; I'm not sure about paternity leave as, again, I've never heard of that.  The whole concept seems strange to me.  We're in a country where the woman is supposed to raise a child.  This is a side-effect of being mammals:  women produce milk, and must be fed to do so; infants require milk; children must be kept safe, and since the mother is critical for child survival then she must be kept safe as well; thus men do the hunting and gathering and provide food and protection to the woman (partly by allowing her to stay somewhere secure, partly by actively acting as a beef gate when they're not out hunting).  Contexted into modern society, that indicates that the mother should have some form of leave and the father should continue with employment and other providership duties.
 
2013-12-24 11:16:17 AM

bluefoxicy: Short-term disability will pay maternity leave for 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) usually, in some cases up to 90 days.  I've seen 4 months (120 days).  It's a crap-shoot, but at a minimum you're up there with Norway and Canada.


The FMLA act, which covers family medical leave only allows you to retain your job for 12 weeks.  It does not pay you.  Some employers may choose to pay you, but most do not.  Short term disability is insurance, which you purchase.  Anyone can purchase it, but it is not offered by the government, it is not a government-run program, mandated by law, or otherwise affiliated with anything federal, state, or local.  The US Government does not provide for any paid leave whatsoever.  No sick time, vacation, maternity, paternity, personal time, or mental health days.
 
2013-12-24 11:23:55 AM

bluefoxicy: lilbordr: About to have my first so this is relevant to my interests. I work for an S&P and I believe I get an 'off-the-record' week where I can work from home after the birth. Other than that I get nothing in the way of paternity leave. As such wifey is going to have to stop working all together which is going to half our overall income. We won't be starving but the budget will be a tight one. Thanks god for a low apr mortgage and no car payments or debt (other than a small student loan).
/CSB

Um, no.

Paternity leave is something I've never heard of before; but, in the US, your short term disability insurance covers maternity leave.  Yes, that means the "most progressive countries in the world" offer up to 42 days maternity leave, but in the backwards US you get 90 days paid maternity leave.

It's probably 2/3 of your salary.  If it comes out of your pay, it's probably tax-free; if the company includes it without taking it out of your paycheck, you'll probably be taxed on it.  Seeing as most people pay around 30%, 66% of your salary tax-free is almost full income.


First off. CSB stand for cool story  BRO. I'm the father. My wife is a 1099 so she has no protection from termination or maternity compensation.
 
2013-12-24 11:42:49 AM

lilbordr: First off. CSB stand for cool story BRO. I'm the father. My wife is a 1099 so she has no protection from termination or maternity compensation.


1099 is technically not terminable.  You're not an employee.
 
2013-12-24 12:01:31 PM

bluefoxicy: ; I'm not sure about paternity leave as, again, I've never heard of that. The whole concept seems strange to me. We're in a country where the woman is supposed to raise a child.


I honestly can't tell if you're a troll or not, but paternity leave is great for the whole family and your view that women do all the child raising is going to leave you in the dark ages.  That rambling on about mammals lost me.  We're a community of people, we can do better than basics.

Also, that chart you posted, in Canada the mother is allotted 52 weeks off total (one full year!), because we're also required by law to receive at least two weeks paid vacation to start.

/Canadian
 
2013-12-24 12:32:32 PM
And try adoption.  No paternity OR maternity leave.  Sure, Momma doesn't have the physical recovery to deal with*, but a newborn turns a home upside down no matter how it got there.

* Disclaimer: as a male I am now and, it seems, forever will be ignorant of the scope of this.
 
2013-12-24 12:41:08 PM

PsychoTherapist: bluefoxicy: lilbordr: About to have my first so this is relevant to my interests. I work for an S&P and I believe I get an 'off-the-record' week where I can work from home after the birth. Other than that I get nothing in the way of paternity leave. As such wifey is going to have to stop working all together which is going to half our overall income. We won't be starving but the budget will be a tight one. Thanks god for a low apr mortgage and no car payments or debt (other than a small student loan).
/CSB

Um, no.

Paternity leave is something I've never heard of before; but, in the US, your short term disability insurance covers maternity leave.  Yes, that means the "most progressive countries in the world" offer up to 42 days maternity leave, but in the backwards US you get 90 days paid maternity leave.

It's probably 2/3 of your salary.  If it comes out of your pay, it's probably tax-free; if the company includes it without taking it out of your paycheck, you'll probably be taxed on it.  Seeing as most people pay around 30%, 66% of your salary tax-free is almost full income.

If, and only if, your company offers it and/or you pay the premiums, which are often on you. Not all companies offer it -- I'd say the minority do -- and I'm fairly sure you often cannot use it for paternity leave.



Yeah, I'd never heard of this before, and we've had a kid within the last decade.
 
2013-12-24 01:10:13 PM

EatHam: bluefoxicy: Short-term disability will pay maternity leave for 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) usually, in some cases up to 90 days.  I've seen 4 months (120 days).  It's a crap-shoot, but at a minimum you're up there with Norway and Canada.

The FMLA act, which covers family medical leave only allows you to retain your job for 12 weeks.  It does not pay you.  Some employers may choose to pay you, but most do not.  Short term disability is insurance, which you purchase.  Anyone can purchase it, but it is not offered by the government, it is not a government-run program, mandated by law, or otherwise affiliated with anything federal, state, or local.  The US Government does not provide for any paid leave whatsoever.  No sick time, vacation, maternity, paternity, personal time, or mental health days.


Some states have their own programs too.  California has a state-mandated SDI and Family Leave program that includes wage-replacement.
 
2013-12-24 01:50:39 PM

cleanup in aisle 2: bluefoxicy: ; I'm not sure about paternity leave as, again, I've never heard of that. The whole concept seems strange to me. We're in a country where the woman is supposed to raise a child.

I honestly can't tell if you're a troll or not, but paternity leave is great for the whole family and your view that women do all the child raising is going to leave you in the dark ages.  That rambling on about mammals lost me.  We're a community of people, we can do better than basics.

Also, that chart you posted, in Canada the mother is allotted 52 weeks off total (one full year!), because we're also required by law to receive at least two weeks paid vacation to start.

/Canadian



Who is paying for the mother to take 52 weeks off work?  The employer or the government?
 
2013-12-25 12:54:24 AM

2chris2: Who is paying for the mother to take 52 weeks off work? The employer or the government?


Both, and the employee too. Everyone pays into it in portions off their paycheque, and the mum gets to take home 60% of her pay while she's on leave.  And while she's away she cannot be fired.
 
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