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(Washington Post)   President Obama gives federal workers a 1% pay raise, their first raise in 4 years. THANKS OBAMA   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 60
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2013-12-24 11:11:10 AM  
10 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


imageshack.com

Among those with a college degree, it's quite similar. Among those with advanced degrees, private sector pays better. But since:

BeerLion: 44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.


it looks like public workers are getting paid hand over fist, when really it's commensurate with their education level. Also a large factor in this is that the federal government doesn't tend to hire schmucks to work 15 hours a week, while private industry does that all the time, so even where hourly wages are similar, the private sector's annual wages will lag behind.

/again, ask not why public workers have held onto their benefits
//ask why private workers have lost theirs
2013-12-24 10:59:45 AM  
6 votes:
Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.
2013-12-24 11:26:31 AM  
4 votes:
Those of you that are complaining about government worker salaries and benefits should stop and think for a bit. The private sector used to pay a lot more than the government jobs. Then the trickle down theory took hold and wages in the private sector stagnated as the profits were all given to the upper management and shareholders. In the 1960s and 1970s a large percentage of private sector jobs offered real benefits. Unfortunately those cost money and company owners realized that they could just cut them because what power do their workers have since unions have been gutted over the past 40 years. It's not that the government workers are getting rich, it's that the 1% figured out they could take money from the private sector workers. American productivity is up but the wages of the average worker hasn't increased with that productivity in any meaningful way. You shouldn't be upset at the government workers for making more than you, you should be asking yourself what has happened in the last 35 years to cause this.
2013-12-24 11:19:40 AM  
4 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study: Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate: Your a big dumby, they no the same.


Actually, it's more like:

Chart: Federal employees make $60,000 more than private sector.

Study: Federal employees, based on education level, make more than people without college degrees, less than people with doctorates or professional degrees, and about the same as everyone else (but the benefits are nice).

Fark Commentariate: Your chart inline that shows the $60k more bit? Yeah, that complete and utter BS.


Guess what? It's complete and utter BS.
2013-12-24 11:08:26 AM  
4 votes:

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


This.

Private sector wages have been stagnant for far too long.

Conservative arguments about that fact?  Cut government worker salaries.

Serious, wtf?
2013-12-24 10:59:41 AM  
4 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


/Well paid Air Traffic Controller nearing retirement after 28+ years.  This comment sums up the Federal worker pay vs public sector very well.
//Not complaining about my pay or benefits, it's enough that I bought a home, save for retirement, can afford to take a modest vacation most years and I was able to send my 3 kids to a state college.

"Federal employees (scientists, doctors, engineers, lawyers, specialists) make more than the average american worker (skewed on the low end by jobs including farm hands, burger flippers and retail sales people). Well funded Conservative propaganda machines such as "The Heritage Foundation" and their Libertarian propaganda counterpart "The Cato Institute" continue to compare low end wage earners to rocket scientists when running these public vs private sector pay "studies". "

44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.
2013-12-24 10:42:29 AM  
4 votes:

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?


I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?
2013-12-24 01:15:30 PM  
3 votes:
I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job
2013-12-24 11:22:42 AM  
3 votes:

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.
2013-12-24 11:08:58 AM  
3 votes:

PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"


or tell them to fight for a decent wage, and if they say "well then I'll get fired" tell them to get their co-workers to fight with you because you all deserve decent wages. And if they tell you "Then we'll all be fired" Then tell them that you'll come together with all of them and make sure all replacement employees know they'll get screwed out of decent pay for good work. Get the group together and fight as one for the betterment of everyone at your work.

/this is why we need unions
//because we've all lost our spines when they demolished the unions last time.
2013-12-24 11:03:30 AM  
3 votes:

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


^THIS^

Seriously, if you're pissed a government employee is getting paid better, that's the fault of your company farking you over. Speak out, don't biatch and moan and drag the fed employees down with you. Bringing them down does nothing to help your cause, just hurt it for all of us. Fight for your right to a decent wage.
2013-12-24 10:53:49 AM  
3 votes:

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?



I'm sorry you were too stupid to join a union that would protect your wages. Hence Job Creators have beaten wages and benefits down to the point you are so jealous of those who have it better than you that you insist on trying to take those wages and benefits away. How very Christian of you, I'm sure on this day of all days Christ would be proud of you.

Jesus loves you, but the rest of us think you are an asshole.
2013-12-24 10:46:45 AM  
3 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown:


Someone should plot federal employees pay vs. CEO pay, cuz that'll show how much the feds are farking us.
2013-12-24 10:45:08 AM  
3 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?
2013-12-24 03:29:20 PM  
2 votes:
Anything less than a cost of living increase is effectively a pay cut, not a pay raise.
2013-12-24 11:57:07 AM  
2 votes:
Nutsac_Jim:Your number is meaningless.  Compare a federal electrical engineer with a private electrical engineer.  Adding in French Fry Engineers to dumb down the general population is misleading.

How is 44% of Federal employees having at least a Bachelors degree vs 18% of the civilian employees meaningless when discussing the difference in pay?  It speaks directly to one of the main reasons for the pay disparity.  As for comparing apples to apples here ya go - again.  With a Bachelors degree or more Feds make equal or less than their civilian counterparts.  I won't lie though, having what seems like the last employer in America that still has health insurance, paid vacation and a retirement plan is nice.  I am sad that with the downfall of the union everybody else seems to have lost them.

img.fark.net
2013-12-24 11:01:49 AM  
2 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?
2013-12-24 10:51:46 AM  
2 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...


Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.
2013-12-24 10:41:12 AM  
2 votes:

Molavian: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!


Federal employee unions are not allowed to negotiate wages. That's why you only hear about union busting efforts at the state level, because those unions are still inappropriately allowedto use political clout to get wage and benefit concessions.

Perhaps the nature of the exploitation of the political process by state employee unions was Jon Corzines speech to the NJ state employee union where he told them he would fight for better wages and so forth if they reelected him as governor.

The only problem with that is that it was supposed to Corzines to represent taxpayers interests, NOT the union. It explains why state govts do such a lousy job of keeping benefits in check. Those unions should have to follow the same rules as the fed unions.
2013-12-24 10:32:50 AM  
2 votes:

rjakobi: Someone needs to find a smarmy meme of Obama saying "you're welcome" that we can post in every one of these threads.


images.encyclopediadramatica.es
2013-12-24 10:30:53 AM  
2 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!
2013-12-24 10:26:21 AM  
2 votes:
That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.
2013-12-25 12:03:49 AM  
1 votes:

Manfred J. Hattan: The second, which I learned today, is that federal employees are waaaaaaay more defensive and sensitive than other people and can't take even the smallest amount of snark. At least the ones who post to Fark.


Considering we've been stuck with asshats on here that equate higher-educated federal employee salaries to those of high school dropouts and biatch about how we're all overpaid moochers who couldn't do a damn thing to save their life, while having a Congress who can't even treat their own staffers with an ounce of respect, let alone not call them all welfare whores on taxpayer dime, you can understand why we're a bit defensive about this shiat.

so up yours, asshole
2013-12-24 01:31:28 PM  
1 votes:

Xenomech: The news adjusted for inflation:

Federal workers receive a pay decrease of only 0.5% this year.  This is in contrast to the previous three annual pay decreases (due to inflation) of 2.1%, 3.2%, and 1.6%.

Good jorb, America!


Very few people understand that no COLA or a COLA that doesn't keep up w/ inflation is a pay cut.
2013-12-24 01:21:39 PM  
1 votes:

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job


This. Take finance for example. If you're smart enough to understand how a new questionable investment instrument or tactic works, would you rather take 40 grand a year to work on regulating it or cash in and make millions?
2013-12-24 01:00:31 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post... and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?

and I am the one that is wrong?


Here's how that conversation went:

MBooda: Yay! Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!

Nutsac_Jim: hehehe.. lookie. Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.

Serious Black: I have several LESs that confirm I did lose money because of the summer furloughs.

BeerLion: hehehe.. lookie. Someone who doesn't know the difference between the furlough and the government shutdown but still makes an ignorant snarky comment.

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.

somedude210: While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing


So if you're trying to say that we were never talking about the furloughs, you are in fact completely wrong.

www.gurl.com

Nutsac_Jim: If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.


Wow, you really are an asshole.
2013-12-24 12:58:32 PM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


Even if that were true, whose fault is that? People in the private sector have done their best to destroy unions and in doing so screw themselves out of the good pay and benefits they used to have. You let the 1% take your hours (who works 40 any more?) your defined benefit plans (pensions), your bargaining power for better conditions and pay, everything you gripe that government employees are getting... you gave away.

Here's a thought... instead of trying to drag someone else down, how about pulling yourself up? ORGANIZE.

/when you you go in alone, you beg
//when you go in together, you negotiate
2013-12-24 12:35:29 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Once in awhile, we can slay the trolls. I just hope we can slay the jackasses in Congress that may stop us from getting funding after January 15th.

/22 days till the next government shutdown


they'll pass something, A shutdown is too damaging to them politically to ever risk it again
2013-12-24 12:34:29 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post... and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?


actually, you said "inform us how government employees lost money" and I did. We took a hit during the summer with the sequester cuts and had 6-14 furlough days (depending on agency) So while we you are right in that we got paid back for the shut down back in October, those furlough days we went through back in spring/summer were never paid back and they are a permanent loss in money.

Saying that "government employees got paid back" without acknowledging or taking into account the sequester furloughs is being purposefully dishonest intellectually.
2013-12-24 12:30:37 PM  
1 votes:

soup sandwich: PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"

its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation



 This leads me to believe that you don't know any federal workers.  So let me introduce you to one.  Me.  My job is to make sure that equipment given to Soldiers is safe to use, and does what it was designed to do.  This job requires an engineering degree, which I have.  It also requires years of specialized training and experience, which I also have.  I get paid comparable or a little less than I would make in the private sector, but I still get paid pretty well.  A chunk of that goes back to the government in taxes, which I am happy to pay.  A large chunk of the rest I spend on stuff like my mortgage, my student loans, and whatever other things I decide are important to me.

I'm at home right now because I haven't taken a vacation in years and I have too much leave to carry over.  There will be plenty of work waiting for me when I get back to the office.  I do help write regulations, but only related to safety and testing.  We operate like a business.  We have budgets we have to stick to, and customers that we have to please.  Money is very strictly controlled and monitored.  Proper testing actually saves money and lives in the long run, which is why it's so important.

I suspect you're just repeating a talking point and haven't put any thought into it.  I challenge you to back up your statement, because I have no reason to believe it's true anywhere in the federal government.
2013-12-24 12:29:21 PM  
1 votes:

somedude210: Serious Black: Man, this thread turned into a federal employee circle jerk pretty quickly...

/nttawwt

*puts pants back on*

I see how it is...

/and I think it's more of we smacked the trolls around enough that it's no longer fun for them
//one can hope

///who said fed employees can't win battles? ^_^


Once in awhile, we can slay the trolls. I just hope we can slay the jackasses in Congress that may stop us from getting funding after January 15th.

/22 days till the next government shutdown
2013-12-24 12:17:38 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Man, this thread turned into a federal employee circle jerk pretty quickly...

/nttawwt


*puts pants back on*

I see how it is...

/and I think it's more of we smacked the trolls around enough that it's no longer fun for them
//one can hope
///who said fed employees can't win battles? ^_^
2013-12-24 12:13:37 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money.  Thanks.


The furlough days Federal Employees ate this summer is different than the shutdown.  You appear to have some basic knowledge of how the internet works so i'll let you research it yourself if you are truly interested in ;earning before you make yet another ignorant snark. FAA employees at least had 11 unpaid furlough days starting in April I think, one per pay period for 11 pay periods.
2013-12-24 12:10:10 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: I'm a slide and model monkey today. While I'm waiting for the model to run and give me output so I can build my slides, I check Fark.


same here, I'm editing a co-worker's paper and making sure a model is running right and fixing it if it snags on convolving a solution

fark breaks up the monotony
2013-12-24 12:08:43 PM  
1 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.


While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing
2013-12-24 12:07:11 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.

Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?


No. Goddamnit, NO. You're what's farking wrong with this country. Personified.
2013-12-24 12:06:26 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee


almost as funny as the private sector employees that are on Fark during work hours extolling how lazy and worthless and overpaid federal employees are. That amuses me as well

/Federal employee
//it's also noon on xmas eve
///I'm impressed most of the place hasn't left early yet
2013-12-24 12:06:13 PM  
1 votes:
I guess it's easier to be jealous of your neighbors than of your kings.
2013-12-24 12:00:48 PM  
1 votes:

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?


No, this is where you wonder why in the richest country in the world, you don't have the same benefits.
2013-12-24 12:00:16 PM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


Haha.  Look who's poor and doesn't realize it...
2013-12-24 11:59:47 AM  
1 votes:

soup sandwich: its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation


You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?
2013-12-24 11:57:28 AM  
1 votes:
Think that federal employees are overpaid?

Then take some personal responsibility, and get a better job that pays as well. Are you waiting for some kind of handout? It's up to you to improve your situation; you must pull yourself up because no one else is going to.
2013-12-24 11:55:58 AM  
1 votes:

wambu: Given the overall performance of the government, that raise seems excessive.


Congress != total government

Don't mix us in with those clowns.
2013-12-24 11:53:28 AM  
1 votes:

soup sandwich: PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"

its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation


I'm going to let you start again. I suggest going back to that you wrote and removing the words and phrases you don't understand. It will be a shorter post, but it will be less utterly farking vapid. That drek sounded like Sarah Palin having a Tourette's attack.
2013-12-24 11:34:19 AM  
1 votes:

LasersHurt: I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.


Dude, he started his account yesterday and already has a persecution complex and a fairly distinct understanding of memes, etiquette, and post format. I'm not saying he's a sock puppet, but he's a  farking sock puppet.

Also, how sad is it that the hoarders have become so successful at getting the people who make very little bitter and envious about the people who make a tiny bit more while ignoring the people who hoard the majority of the country's wealth?
2013-12-24 11:09:13 AM  
1 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.

Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!


Your point can be right while your chart is still ass-wrong. Try using words to make your point, rather than posting an out of context, uncited, BS graph.
2013-12-24 11:00:50 AM  
1 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


The government doesn't run fast food joints.

http://www.bea.gov/faq/ index.cfm?faq_id=320

What factors explain the difference between average compensation of federal government civilian employees and average compensation of private-sector employees?

There are a number of factors that explain why average compensation for federal government non-postal civilian employees is higher than average compensation for private-sector employees.

The mix of occupations held by federal government civilian employees is different from that of occupations held by the entire private-sector workforce. The private-sector workforce ranges from jobs that pay a minimum wage to highly paid CEOs. According to studies conducted by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), jobs in the federal government civilian workforce are concentrated in professional (e.g., lawyers, accountants, and economists), administrative, and technical occupations.1 In addition, skill levels and educational attainment tend to be higher, on average, for federal government civilian employees than for private-sector employees because of the occupational requirements in the federal government.2

Over the past several years, there has been a shift in federal employment toward higher-skilled, higher-paid positions as lower-skilled (and lower-paid) positions in the federal government have been contracted out to private industries.1 This trend has contributed to higher average pay for federal government civilian employees than for private-sector employees.
2013-12-24 11:00:40 AM  
1 votes:
EHRMAHGERD. This is an outrage, either because:

a) 1% IS TOO LOW!

or

b) government employees make too much already!111!!!eleven!

THANKS A LOT OBAMA
2013-12-24 10:59:18 AM  
1 votes:

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.
2013-12-24 10:56:42 AM  
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Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


There are different pots of money for different things, and different pay systems depending on where you work.  Under my system, we don't have steps, only performance.  Many people are capped and can't even get that.  And there's no open jobs, so no promotions.
2013-12-24 10:55:14 AM  
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Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
i.imgur.com
2013-12-24 10:50:18 AM  
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TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.
2013-12-24 10:48:32 AM  
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trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?


It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.
2013-12-24 10:41:24 AM  
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www.investors.com
2013-12-24 10:40:17 AM  
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Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?
2013-12-24 10:38:18 AM  
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And they cut military pensions.........
2013-12-24 10:29:24 AM  
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I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.
2013-12-24 10:27:07 AM  
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Someone needs to find a smarmy meme of Obama saying "you're welcome" that we can post in every one of these threads.

And by someone, I mean me. Hitting the photoshop now.
2013-12-24 10:16:09 AM  
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oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.


in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D
2013-12-24 10:15:03 AM  
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Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.
 
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