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2013-12-24 01:00:31 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post... and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?

and I am the one that is wrong?


Here's how that conversation went:

MBooda: Yay! Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!

Nutsac_Jim: hehehe.. lookie. Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.

Serious Black: I have several LESs that confirm I did lose money because of the summer furloughs.

BeerLion: hehehe.. lookie. Someone who doesn't know the difference between the furlough and the government shutdown but still makes an ignorant snarky comment.

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.

somedude210: While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing


So if you're trying to say that we were never talking about the furloughs, you are in fact completely wrong.

www.gurl.com

Nutsac_Jim: If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.


Wow, you really are an asshole.
 
2013-12-24 01:00:36 PM  

Bloody William: Do you have a Starbound server, too? I've been trying to get one set up. Recently got into the gamma systems.


I don't, nor have I tried the multiplayer for it, but there's another farker in the cafe threads who has been interested in multiplayer starbound so maybe we can get something going.
 
2013-12-24 01:02:27 PM  

RminusQ: www.gurl.com


I <3 you

/TWW nerd
//now you understand why I work in government
///and enjoy it for that matter
 
2013-12-24 01:03:24 PM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


Does that chart take into account the fact that there is a much higher ratio of college educated federal workers to those without a degree than in the private sector?

No, of course it doesn't.

Let's try a chart with comparable positions with comparable qualifications and education next time? An "apples to apples" comparison, if you will?

/tired of bullsh*t FoxNews crap like this
 
2013-12-24 01:05:30 PM  

Moopy Mac: I like your style.


Thanks.  I've been doing some volunteer work tutoring third graders, and I have learned that just yelling at someone because they're wrong doesn't help.
 
2013-12-24 01:05:48 PM  

RminusQ: Nutsac_Jim: If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.

Wow, you really are an asshole.


Well, technically he's adjacent to the asshole. 'Taint the same thing.
 
2013-12-24 01:11:34 PM  
 
2013-12-24 01:13:38 PM  

BMulligan: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


Now THAT is a pathetic Christmas.
 
2013-12-24 01:15:30 PM  
I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job
 
2013-12-24 01:18:09 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: somedude210:
You have no idea what federal employees do, do you?

Sell guns to Mexican druglords?  Spy on Americans?  Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies?    Trade on inside information?  Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?


He's just asking questions folks
 
2013-12-24 01:21:06 PM  

imontheinternet: InteriorDesignNinja: Because believing that minimum wage should be a livable wage is the work of the devil. Sorry, but the bottom social rung NEEDS to slowly starve to death.

It's not that they need to starve to death; it's that they choose to.  Why not leave your minimum wage job and take a job that pays 5 times as much?  Better yet, why not borrow $100K from your parents and start a business?  Poors are so lazy.


I actually started raging after reading your first sentence.  Must be feeling hairtrigger today.  Nice troll hook either way.
 
2013-12-24 01:21:39 PM  

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job


This. Take finance for example. If you're smart enough to understand how a new questionable investment instrument or tactic works, would you rather take 40 grand a year to work on regulating it or cash in and make millions?
 
2013-12-24 01:24:25 PM  
b-b-b-bbb--b---bbbbut the government doesn't create jobs, according to our republican buddies.
 
2013-12-24 01:24:46 PM  

somedude210: Serious Black: Once in awhile, we can slay the trolls. I just hope we can slay the jackasses in Congress that may stop us from getting funding after January 15th.

/22 days till the next government shutdown

they'll pass something, A shutdown is too damaging to them politically to ever risk it again


baltimoresportsreport.com
 
2013-12-24 01:25:30 PM  
The news adjusted for inflation:

Federal workers receive a pay decrease of only 0.5% this year.  This is in contrast to the previous three annual pay decreases (due to inflation) of 2.1%, 3.2%, and 1.6%.

Good jorb, America!
 
2013-12-24 01:27:41 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: Sell guns to Mexican druglords? Spy on Americans? Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies? Trade on inside information? Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?


awwww, how precious, you think the President = all government employees.

How about this: Develop the MRE, as well as female body armor. allow us to fly in the skies safely, make sure our medicinal drugs are actually of medicinal value and not snake oil, maintain the largest interstate highway system in the world

I can go on if you'd like.
 
2013-12-24 01:31:28 PM  

Xenomech: The news adjusted for inflation:

Federal workers receive a pay decrease of only 0.5% this year.  This is in contrast to the previous three annual pay decreases (due to inflation) of 2.1%, 3.2%, and 1.6%.

Good jorb, America!


Very few people understand that no COLA or a COLA that doesn't keep up w/ inflation is a pay cut.
 
2013-12-24 01:31:29 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: somedude210:
You have no idea what federal employees do, do you?

Sell guns to Mexican druglords?  Spy on Americans?  Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies?    Trade on inside information?  Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?


No, I don't do any of those things.

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job


*internet fist bump*
 
2013-12-24 01:35:43 PM  

somedude210: Manfred J. Hattan: Sell guns to Mexican druglords? Spy on Americans? Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies? Trade on inside information? Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?

awwww, how precious, you think the President = all government employees.

How about this: Develop the MRE, as well as female body armor. allow us to fly in the skies safely, make sure our medicinal drugs are actually of medicinal value and not snake oil, maintain the largest interstate highway system in the world

I can go on if you'd like.


Here's one my agency worked on for the last few years: reorganizing the BCTs.
 
2013-12-24 01:39:40 PM  

somedude210: Manfred J. Hattan: Sell guns to Mexican druglords? Spy on Americans? Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies? Trade on inside information? Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?

awwww, how precious, you think the President = all government employees.



With the possible exception of the regulations regarding existing health insurance policies, federal employees managed to do all of those things without the knowledge of and in come cases over what would have been the vociferous objections of the President.

As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money).  I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller.  So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.
 
2013-12-24 01:42:49 PM  

somedude210: Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.

anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id


spoilerwarned.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-24 01:43:54 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money).  I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller.  So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.


So... you're holding up something that happened two years ago that resulted in the people farking up being fired as a reason to shiat all over another Farker working over Christmas? Man, that's a dickbag move Hefty would be proud to make.
 
2013-12-24 01:44:29 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: With the possible exception of the regulations regarding existing health insurance policies, federal employees managed to do all of those things without the knowledge of and in come cases over what would have been the vociferous objections of the President.

As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money). I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller. So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.


So your entire debate is based by anecdote. Thank you for showing your gullibility, Mr. Barnum by the door will show you what you've won.
 
2013-12-24 01:56:44 PM  
Man, that completely wrong asshole sure ran away and didn't respond to our charges that he was an asshole and completely wrong.
 
2013-12-24 01:59:25 PM  

grumpfuff: somedude210: Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.

anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id

[spoilerwarned.files.wordpress.com image 240x300]


FTL is 66% off... I'm just sayin...
 
2013-12-24 02:02:24 PM  

PanicMan: FTL is 66% off... I'm just sayin...


got that in last year's sale. Fantastic game
 
2013-12-24 02:04:25 PM  
BeerLion:

/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.


Just want to say thanks for getting me home safe.

/and keep an eye out for a large, fast moving UFO tonight coming from the north that may or may not have a transponder
 
2013-12-24 02:06:37 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


Yeah, no. This may be true for some positions, but it's not representative of federal workers in general at all.
 
2013-12-24 02:08:39 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan:  I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller.  So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.


Those unfortunate few are the reason I have a 9 hour break after my evening shift tonite and my day shift tomorrow instead of 8.
 
2013-12-24 02:08:48 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Manfred J. Hattan: With the possible exception of the regulations regarding existing health insurance policies, federal employees managed to do all of those things without the knowledge of and in come cases over what would have been the vociferous objections of the President.

As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money). I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller. So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.

So your entire debate is based by anecdote.


No, someone just asked.  I answered.  Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.   Some of those things they do because they have to -- they are mandated by law.  Many of them are a result of the administrative state itself.
 
2013-12-24 02:13:42 PM  

rewind2846: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Does that chart take into account the fact that there is a much higher ratio of college educated federal workers to those without a degree than in the private sector?

No, of course it doesn't.

Let's try a chart with comparable positions with comparable qualifications and education next time? An "apples to apples" comparison, if you will?

/tired of bullsh*t FoxNews crap like this


Also even the government jobs that don't require degrees often require a number of professional certifications that the private industry doesn't.  And further more, federal jobs, whether they require a degree or not, also usually require some level of security clearance that private sector jobs don't. These things usually result in getting more pay.
 
2013-12-24 02:21:14 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.


You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities? And I assume you can back up the implication that government workers do it more or worse with something besides anecdotes, because otherwise I'm going to stand by saying you're full of shiat.
 
2013-12-24 02:23:54 PM  

Bloody William: You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities?


Both Sides Are Bad, So Vote Republican Private Sector.
 
2013-12-24 02:42:51 PM  

Bloody William: Manfred J. Hattan: Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.

You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities? And I assume you can back up the implication that government workers do it more or worse with something besides anecdotes, because otherwise I'm going to stand by saying you're full of shiat.


Private sector are saints except for the low-wage sector who should be hit with a water cannon if they dare complain about raising the minimum.
 
2013-12-24 02:42:58 PM  
Outing myself as a federal employee. I wont bore you all with the details other than I manage equipment/inventory.

Though Im not sure whether the "federal employee circle jerk" is covered under "benefits" or "workplace hazards". Better wear safety shoes, just in case things get messy.

And lots of hand-sanitizer afterwards.
 
2013-12-24 03:18:35 PM  

Serious Black: oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?

I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?


I thought every country celebrated New Year's by now, or does Kabul use a different calendar system?
 
2013-12-24 03:25:47 PM  

Sim Tree: Serious Black: oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?

I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?

I thought every country celebrated New Year's by now, or does Kabul use a different calendar system?


Serious answer 1: I'm an American and was deployed last year.

Serious answer 2: Islam uses the lunar year in their calendar for holidays and what not.
 
2013-12-24 03:29:20 PM  
Anything less than a cost of living increase is effectively a pay cut, not a pay raise.
 
2013-12-24 05:22:59 PM  
They get incredible benefits.
 
2013-12-24 05:28:10 PM  

Brick-House: Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/


that majorly pisses me off. and to add insult to injury obama says ok to chained cpi. fark that. my SS net went up .016% which is better than when it didn't go up at all but sure as hell isn't the increase even food has seen,
 
2013-12-24 05:47:41 PM  

Curious: my SS net went up .016% which is better than when it didn't go up at all but sure as hell isn't the increase even food has seen,


Few more years and you won't even be able to afford an iceberg to float off on. With something like 1/3 of retired seniors living off of SS income alone, that's just cruelty.
 
2013-12-24 06:05:39 PM  

incendi: With something like 1/3 of retired seniors living off of SS income alone, that's just cruelty.


fortunately i'm able to work and have a part time job.

yes i said fortunately because i have a way to offset some big financial mistakes made earlier. a friend who made her mistake late in life then got sick is in far worse shape. otoh i know folks who are on state run pension plans that may well carry them to death in comfort. but there are no guarantees.

what is as annoying as all hell is the right acting like i'm getting over on someone by taking a benefit provided by law and one i paid into for many years. it's not a farking entitlement. we had a deal, i work and put in and later i don't work and take out. worse imo are the poor bastards who are relying on union pensions. i'm not a union lover but i do believe you live up to your promises.
 
2013-12-24 06:11:53 PM  

somedude210: wambu: Given the overall performance of the government, that raise seems excessive.

Congress != total government

Don't mix us in with those clowns.


I'm taking into consideration all the government employees I have dealt with in the past year.
 
2013-12-24 06:29:56 PM  

BalugaJoe: They get incredible benefits.


But they take a huge pay cut to do so.  Total salary + benefits are lower (often much lower) when you compare similar jobs with the same level of education and experience.

It also depends on how much benefit you personally gain from the benefits.  Having great health insurance is a waste if you're young and healthy - your employer could be paying $5,000 to insure you while you only use $250 in services, which is about average for someone young and healthy; it would be better for you if your employer got worse insurance and passed the cost savings along into your paycheck.  If you're chronically ill, however, that insurance is a huge benefit.

I've looked at some government jobs similar to what I currently do, and given my education and experience I'd be taking about a 40% pay cut to take those jobs.  The benefits are better (though my current benefits are actually pretty good), but the added benefits certainly aren't worth 40% of my salary.
 
2013-12-24 06:53:08 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


CPennypacker: FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job

This. Take finance for example. If you're smart enough to understand how a new questionable investment instrument or tactic works, would you rather take 40 grand a year to work on regulating it or cash in and make millions?


I graduated as an accountant 2 years ago. The accounting dept. at my school posted the starting salaries of those of us who had job offers right out of school. Since my school is in the DMV the job make up was half fed half private. About 10 people including myself had and took jobs with the government. Our starting salaries were $42K (GS-7). The other 10-12 people who had jobs with accounting firms started at 55-60K plus a 5-10K bonus for being CPA eligible. $42K versus $60K for the same job.

The only difference is I make sure the government has enough money to buy armour for our military in active theaters while my friends and classmates make sure a company has enough money to give a CEO another million dollar bonus. I live in a 472 sq ft studio in NE DC with under $1K credit card debt, no student loans, barely eat out, and I'm just scraping by and let's not even mention the two (and possibly) three rounds of furloughs. I did the math and am getting a $500 raise which will promptly be eaten by taxes and the "awesome" benefits that everyone raves about.

The same people who say federal workers are overpaid wouldn't last a week in these jobs.
 
2013-12-24 07:00:02 PM  

Bloody William: Manfred J. Hattan: Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.

You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities? And I assume you can back up the implication that government workers do it more or worse with something besides anecdotes, because otherwise I'm going to stand by saying you're full of shiat.


Oh, quite like people do.  With two exceptions.  The first, which I already knew about, is that the private sector can't put people in jail for disobeying their stupid edicts.  The second, which I learned today, is that federal employees are waaaaaaay more defensive and sensitive than other people and can't take even the smallest amount of snark. At least the ones who post to Fark.
 
2013-12-24 08:09:08 PM  

MBooda: Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.

FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?


I was ppreparing for high school at that date.  FERS all the way here, and hoping the market grows for the next twenty some odd years so I will be able to retire before I die.
 
2013-12-24 08:40:13 PM  
One thing this thread makes clear, private sector jobs give you enough free time to troll all day if you want to.
 
2013-12-24 09:59:31 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: So your entire debate is based by anecdote. Thank you for showing your gullibility, Mr. Barnum by the egress will show you what you've won.


Fixed.
 
2013-12-24 11:32:35 PM  

BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Yeah the politicians love to wave the flag during the war and then screw over the few that actually sacrificed anything when its all over. I think if I was a vet I would be marching on Washington.
 
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