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(Washington Post)   President Obama gives federal workers a 1% pay raise, their first raise in 4 years. THANKS OBAMA   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 205
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2013-12-24 11:02:42 AM  

MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.


Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.
 
2013-12-24 11:03:27 AM  

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"
 
2013-12-24 11:03:30 AM  

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


^THIS^

Seriously, if you're pissed a government employee is getting paid better, that's the fault of your company farking you over. Speak out, don't biatch and moan and drag the fed employees down with you. Bringing them down does nothing to help your cause, just hurt it for all of us. Fight for your right to a decent wage.
 
2013-12-24 11:04:43 AM  

MyRandomName: somedude210: oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.

in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D

Who knew the Executive had power of the purse!


The HR department isn't the accounting department, who knew!
 
2013-12-24 11:05:10 AM  

Serious Black: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?


I'm performing a statistical analysis now?  Well that escalated quickly.  I was merely pointing out that Federal employees, compared to the serfs, don't have it all that bad.  Of course there are myriad factors behind that.  I'd still rather do a menial federal job than a menial private sector job.
 
2013-12-24 11:06:31 AM  

LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.


Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!
 
2013-12-24 11:06:47 AM  

Pick: That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.


How is that cost broken down exactly?  I am fine with paying for an overwhelming security presence to protect my president.  I don't want my president flying commercial either.  If it is necessary to send a bunch of staff along to keep him informed of what is going on, I'm fine with that too.  And I guess that a presidential vacation isn't so much 'forget about everything and try to catch up in two weeks' as it is 'keep working just a little bit less and at a nicer location'.

If you are counting his security, it probably costs less than securing all that area around the whitehouse.
We pay for Air Force One whether it is flying or parked.
We pay for his staff no matter where they are.
 
2013-12-24 11:07:07 AM  

MyRandomName: FarkedOver: LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?

don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.

He said federal employee. Dont worry, one day you will understand the basic working of government.


Tis the season.  Let's just fark all public sector employees.  Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?
 
2013-12-24 11:07:09 AM  

somedude210: BMulligan: It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.

never ignore the trolls, disprove them, smack 'em around, let everyone see how foolish they are and move on. If you can do it in 1 post, then that's all you need.


Sometimes, sometimes not. If their nonsense is of the sort which might be taken seriously by the weak-minded, then yes - disinformation of that sort must be addressed. This one, though, is the sort which can be spotted as an utter joke even by the stupidest among us, and in my opinion the best approach in such a case is to deprive it of the attention it obviously craves.
 
2013-12-24 11:08:26 AM  

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


This.

Private sector wages have been stagnant for far too long.

Conservative arguments about that fact?  Cut government worker salaries.

Serious, wtf?
 
2013-12-24 11:08:58 AM  

PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"


or tell them to fight for a decent wage, and if they say "well then I'll get fired" tell them to get their co-workers to fight with you because you all deserve decent wages. And if they tell you "Then we'll all be fired" Then tell them that you'll come together with all of them and make sure all replacement employees know they'll get screwed out of decent pay for good work. Get the group together and fight as one for the betterment of everyone at your work.

/this is why we need unions
//because we've all lost our spines when they demolished the unions last time.
 
2013-12-24 11:09:13 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.

Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!


Your point can be right while your chart is still ass-wrong. Try using words to make your point, rather than posting an out of context, uncited, BS graph.
 
2013-12-24 11:09:50 AM  
Awesome.   Now they will get 141% as much as the going rate instead of 140%.
 
2013-12-24 11:10:22 AM  
Holy fark, AllDevicesZeroDown is taking deliberately obtuse to a level normally not seen outside of evolution threads.
 
2013-12-24 11:11:10 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


imageshack.com

Among those with a college degree, it's quite similar. Among those with advanced degrees, private sector pays better. But since:

BeerLion: 44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.


it looks like public workers are getting paid hand over fist, when really it's commensurate with their education level. Also a large factor in this is that the federal government doesn't tend to hire schmucks to work 15 hours a week, while private industry does that all the time, so even where hourly wages are similar, the private sector's annual wages will lag behind.

/again, ask not why public workers have held onto their benefits
//ask why private workers have lost theirs
 
2013-12-24 11:11:19 AM  

Brick-House: Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/


If you actually go to your link and follow it through to the Bureau of Labor Statistics website, you can clearly see that it does include both food and fuel.  In fact there's a handy table that breaks down inflation for food at home and away from home, and energy from different sources such as gasoline, natural gas, and electricity.  I even double-checked their math -- they appear to be using the "annual average" CPI-U number published by the BLS for past years, and the latest month's CPI-U for the latest year.

You have clearly been trying to keep up with economic talking points, so good for you for your efforts; but please be aware that critique about using the measure that excludes food and fuel is generally made about the Federal Reserve's monetary policy, not about the government's budget decisions.
 
2013-12-24 11:15:42 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.

Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!


Ahhhh didnt see what you were swinging at
A) graph you initially posted, not in your link.
B) Data that is shown is no where NEAR the numbers in your initial graph.
C) The government doesnt hire burger flippers, but a usually very trained/ educated workforce. that being said, they pay them well, on average.
 
2013-12-24 11:15:55 AM  

FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?


If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.
 
2013-12-24 11:16:42 AM  

RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.


BRB going to the copy room ;)
 
2013-12-24 11:18:00 AM  
And now the federal workers can use their 1% increase to put 1% more money into circulation in the economy, which will have a multiplier effect as it moves through the system.

It's the circle of demand
It moves us all....
 
2013-12-24 11:19:40 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study: Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate: Your a big dumby, they no the same.


Actually, it's more like:

Chart: Federal employees make $60,000 more than private sector.

Study: Federal employees, based on education level, make more than people without college degrees, less than people with doctorates or professional degrees, and about the same as everyone else (but the benefits are nice).

Fark Commentariate: Your chart inline that shows the $60k more bit? Yeah, that complete and utter BS.


Guess what? It's complete and utter BS.
 
2013-12-24 11:19:58 AM  

FarkedOver: RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.

BRB going to the copy room ;)


oh hey, you're in my state too....hmmm.... ;)
 
2013-12-24 11:20:50 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: Serious Black: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?

I'm performing a statistical analysis now?  Well that escalated quickly.  I was merely pointing out that Federal employees, compared to the serfs, don't have it all that bad.  Of course there are myriad factors behind that.  I'd still rather do a menial federal job than a menial private sector job.


Lloyd Blankfein is a serf now? Wow.

Seriously though, unless you control for things like education and average hours per week worked, you're going to get nowhere. Federal employees on the General Schedule are all putting in 40 hours a week vice about 34 hours a week for the private sector according to BLS. And as somebody else here pointed out, federal employees have more education in the aggregate than private sector employees. Those two factors alone will get rid of much of the disparity.

Beyond that, why does that chart prove that federal employees are overpaid rather than private sector employees are underpaid?
 
2013-12-24 11:20:57 AM  

RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.


Based on my 35 years experience, the phrases "public sector employees" and "sexy ladies" do not belong in the same conversation.
 
2013-12-24 11:21:18 AM  

somedude210: FarkedOver: RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.

BRB going to the copy room ;)

oh hey, you're in my state too....hmmm.... ;)


Massholes of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our Rs.
 
2013-12-24 11:22:42 AM  

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.
 
2013-12-24 11:25:07 AM  

BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........



Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like the rest of us.
 
2013-12-24 11:25:58 AM  

BMulligan: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


Ignore it?  What it even saying anything?  It sounded like a hairdryer pushing hot air through a Dyson fan.
 
2013-12-24 11:26:31 AM  
Those of you that are complaining about government worker salaries and benefits should stop and think for a bit. The private sector used to pay a lot more than the government jobs. Then the trickle down theory took hold and wages in the private sector stagnated as the profits were all given to the upper management and shareholders. In the 1960s and 1970s a large percentage of private sector jobs offered real benefits. Unfortunately those cost money and company owners realized that they could just cut them because what power do their workers have since unions have been gutted over the past 40 years. It's not that the government workers are getting rich, it's that the 1% figured out they could take money from the private sector workers. American productivity is up but the wages of the average worker hasn't increased with that productivity in any meaningful way. You shouldn't be upset at the government workers for making more than you, you should be asking yourself what has happened in the last 35 years to cause this.
 
2013-12-24 11:27:44 AM  

FarkedOver: Massholes of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our Rs.


don't forget our pants! (and spelling it "donut")
 
2013-12-24 11:27:50 AM  
Oh and if it doesnt matter at this point, Hey,

Thanks Obama.

Money is money. Thumbs up. Maybe it'll help coax a few bucks out of the private sector aristocracy.

/ LOL
// Actually cant wait to hear about how Fox spins this. It should be pants-on-head retarded.
 
2013-12-24 11:28:45 AM  

BMulligan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

...
Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Because believing that minimum wage should be a livable wage is the work of the devil.  Sorry, but the bottom social rung NEEDS to slowly starve to death.
 
2013-12-24 11:29:30 AM  

MBooda: Based on my 35 years experience, the phrases "public sector employees" and "sexy ladies" do not belong in the same conversation.


you haven't been in federal employment in a loooooooooong time, have you?
 
2013-12-24 11:31:27 AM  

MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]


hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.
 
2013-12-24 11:32:29 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: Serious Black: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?

I'm performing a statistical analysis now?  Well that escalated quickly.  I was merely pointing out that Federal employees, compared to the serfs, don't have it all that bad.  Of course there are myriad factors behind that.  I'd still rather do a menial federal job than a menial private sector job.


A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.
 
2013-12-24 11:33:12 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]

hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.


I have several LESs that confirm I did lose money because of the summer furloughs.
 
2013-12-24 11:34:13 AM  

Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.


FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?
 
2013-12-24 11:34:19 AM  

LasersHurt: I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.


Dude, he started his account yesterday and already has a persecution complex and a fairly distinct understanding of memes, etiquette, and post format. I'm not saying he's a sock puppet, but he's a  farking sock puppet.

Also, how sad is it that the hoarders have become so successful at getting the people who make very little bitter and envious about the people who make a tiny bit more while ignoring the people who hoard the majority of the country's wealth?
 
2013-12-24 11:35:28 AM  

PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.


Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?
 
2013-12-24 11:35:32 AM  

MBooda: Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.

FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?


I had not started kindergarten on that date, so I didn't really have a choice in using FERS.
 
2013-12-24 11:36:19 AM  

BMulligan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

 
2013-12-24 11:36:25 AM  

InteriorDesignNinja: Because believing that minimum wage should be a livable wage is the work of the devil. Sorry, but the bottom social rung NEEDS to slowly starve to death.


It's not that they need to starve to death; it's that they choose to.  Why not leave your minimum wage job and take a job that pays 5 times as much?  Better yet, why not borrow $100K from your parents and start a business?  Poors are so lazy.
 
2013-12-24 11:37:31 AM  

Bloody William: PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.

Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?


yes.

Next question
 
2013-12-24 11:37:50 AM  

Serious Black: MBooda: Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.

FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?

I had not started kindergarten on that date, so I didn't really have a choice in using FERS.


Commiserations to you and all others who started after June 6, 1986.

/and get off my lawn
 
2013-12-24 11:41:07 AM  

BeerLion: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

/Well paid Air Traffic Controller nearing retirement after 28+ years.  This comment sums up the Federal worker pay vs public sector very well.
//Not complaining about my pay or benefits, it's enough that I bought a home, save for retirement, can afford to take a modest vacation most years and I was able to send my 3 kids to a state college.

"Federal employees (scientists, doctors, engineers, lawyers, specialists) make more than the average american worker (skewed on the low end by jobs including farm hands, burger flippers and retail sales people). Well funded Conservative propaganda machines such as "The Heritage Foundation" and their Libertarian propaganda counterpart "The Cato Institute" continue to compare low end wage earners to rocket scientists when running these public vs private sector pay "studies". "

44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.


Your number is meaningless.  Compare a federal electrical engineer with a private electrical engineer.  Adding in French Fry Engineers to dumb down the general population is misleading.
 
2013-12-24 11:41:20 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.


you said  " Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector. " twice
 
2013-12-24 11:42:34 AM  

Arkanaut: Brick-House: Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

If you actually go to your link and follow it through to the Bureau of Labor Statistics website, you can clearly see that it does include both food and fuel.  In fact there's a handy table that breaks down inflation for food at home and away from home, and energy from different sources such as gasoline, natural gas, and electricity.  I even double-checked their math -- they appear to be using the "annual average" CPI-U number published by the BLS for past years, and the latest month's CPI-U for the latest year.

You have clearly been trying to keep up with economic talking points, so good for you for your efforts; but please be aware that critique about using the measure that excludes food and fuel is generally made about the Federal Reserve's monetary policy, not about the government's budget decisions.


I like your style.
 
2013-12-24 11:45:06 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]

hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.


hehehe.. lookie.  Someone who doesn't know the difference between the furlough and the government shutdown but still makes an ignorant snarky comment.
 
2013-12-24 11:50:15 AM  

Nutsac_Jim: Your number is meaningless. Compare a federal electrical engineer with a private electrical engineer. Adding in French Fry Engineers to dumb down the general population is misleading.


Federal electrical engineers make <2K more a year than their private counterparts.  The pay is fairly comparable, but the public sector pay is somewhat better.
 
2013-12-24 11:50:56 AM  

PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"


its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation
 
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