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2013-12-24 10:15:03 AM
Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.
 
2013-12-24 10:16:09 AM

oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.


in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D
 
2013-12-24 10:23:23 AM
That does it, I am never voting for him again. Thanks Obama!
 
2013-12-24 10:24:05 AM
That's not even a COLA....
 
2013-12-24 10:26:21 AM
That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.
 
2013-12-24 10:27:07 AM
Someone needs to find a smarmy meme of Obama saying "you're welcome" that we can post in every one of these threads.

And by someone, I mean me. Hitting the photoshop now.
 
2013-12-24 10:28:58 AM

FarkedOver: That's not even a COLA....


You call that a COLA? THIS is a COLA!

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-24 10:29:24 AM
I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.
 
2013-12-24 10:30:53 AM

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!
 
2013-12-24 10:32:50 AM

rjakobi: Someone needs to find a smarmy meme of Obama saying "you're welcome" that we can post in every one of these threads.


images.encyclopediadramatica.es
 
2013-12-24 10:33:32 AM
Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
 
2013-12-24 10:35:11 AM
So, basically, federal workers are now one percenters?
 
2013-12-24 10:35:32 AM
Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?
 
GBB
2013-12-24 10:36:56 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-24 10:37:39 AM
THANKS OBAMA?

www.jointinterest.com
 
2013-12-24 10:38:18 AM
And they cut military pensions.........
 
2013-12-24 10:39:29 AM

FarkedOver: That's not even a COLA....


It's not even a warmed over flat pepsi
 
2013-12-24 10:40:17 AM
Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?
 
2013-12-24 10:41:05 AM

LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?


don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.
 
2013-12-24 10:41:12 AM

Molavian: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!


Federal employee unions are not allowed to negotiate wages. That's why you only hear about union busting efforts at the state level, because those unions are still inappropriately allowedto use political clout to get wage and benefit concessions.

Perhaps the nature of the exploitation of the political process by state employee unions was Jon Corzines speech to the NJ state employee union where he told them he would fight for better wages and so forth if they reelected him as governor.

The only problem with that is that it was supposed to Corzines to represent taxpayers interests, NOT the union. It explains why state govts do such a lousy job of keeping benefits in check. Those unions should have to follow the same rules as the fed unions.
 
2013-12-24 10:41:24 AM
www.investors.com
 
2013-12-24 10:42:29 AM

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?


I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?
 
2013-12-24 10:42:32 AM

Animatronik: Molavian: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!

Federal employee unions are not allowed to negotiate wages. That's why you only hear about union busting efforts at the state level, because those unions are still inappropriately allowedto use political clout to get wage and benefit concessions.

Perhaps the nature of the exploitation of the political process by state employee unions was Jon Corzines speech to the NJ state employee union where he told them he would fight for better wages and so forth if they reelected him as governor.

The only problem with that is that it was supposed to Corzines to represent taxpayers interests, NOT the union. It explains why state govts do such a lousy job of keeping benefits in check. Those unions should have to follow the same rules as the fed unions.


Sorry for poor grammar, my phone has its own ideas of what I meant to say.
 
2013-12-24 10:45:08 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?
 
2013-12-24 10:45:51 AM

Pick: That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.



Man, I could do a lot of hookers and blow with $25M, because it is exactly the same thing.
 
2013-12-24 10:46:45 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown:


Someone should plot federal employees pay vs. CEO pay, cuz that'll show how much the feds are farking us.
 
2013-12-24 10:48:32 AM

trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?


It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.
 
2013-12-24 10:49:05 AM

trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...
 
2013-12-24 10:50:18 AM
TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.
 
2013-12-24 10:50:29 AM
That's what I got for a raise in my Social Security too.
 
2013-12-24 10:51:46 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...


Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.
 
2013-12-24 10:53:49 AM

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?



I'm sorry you were too stupid to join a union that would protect your wages. Hence Job Creators have beaten wages and benefits down to the point you are so jealous of those who have it better than you that you insist on trying to take those wages and benefits away. How very Christian of you, I'm sure on this day of all days Christ would be proud of you.

Jesus loves you, but the rest of us think you are an asshole.
 
2013-12-24 10:53:54 AM

somedude210: oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.

in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D


Who knew the Executive had power of the purse!
 
2013-12-24 10:54:41 AM

BMulligan: It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


never ignore the trolls, disprove them, smack 'em around, let everyone see how foolish they are and move on. If you can do it in 1 post, then that's all you need.
 
2013-12-24 10:55:06 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...


What part of that report is the first graph you posted based on.  Please be specific.
 
2013-12-24 10:55:14 AM
Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-24 10:55:32 AM

FarkedOver: LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?

don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.


He said federal employee. Dont worry, one day you will understand the basic working of government.
 
2013-12-24 10:56:42 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


There are different pots of money for different things, and different pay systems depending on where you work.  Under my system, we don't have steps, only performance.  Many people are capped and can't even get that.  And there's no open jobs, so no promotions.
 
2013-12-24 10:57:09 AM

LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.


Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.
 
2013-12-24 10:58:13 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


Shh. We only use liberal math on fark. You know like how government spending is decreasing because we only raise spending based on baseline budgeting growth.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:18 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:20 AM

LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.


Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:41 AM

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


/Well paid Air Traffic Controller nearing retirement after 28+ years.  This comment sums up the Federal worker pay vs public sector very well.
//Not complaining about my pay or benefits, it's enough that I bought a home, save for retirement, can afford to take a modest vacation most years and I was able to send my 3 kids to a state college.

"Federal employees (scientists, doctors, engineers, lawyers, specialists) make more than the average american worker (skewed on the low end by jobs including farm hands, burger flippers and retail sales people). Well funded Conservative propaganda machines such as "The Heritage Foundation" and their Libertarian propaganda counterpart "The Cato Institute" continue to compare low end wage earners to rocket scientists when running these public vs private sector pay "studies". "

44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:45 AM
Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:50 AM

MyRandomName: Who knew the Executive had power of the purse!


He doesn't and this doesn't fall under the power of the purse. It falls under Administrative law given to the executive branch to oversee the agencies that are within the branch (ie. anything agency that isn't part of the courts system or Congress).

If you read the article (haha, I know you don't know how to read), you'd notice the bit about how the budgets for these agencies were not increased to cover the cost of the pay raise, as that would fall under the power of the purse.

So in conclusion, you don't understand how the government works, what's illegal and what's legal, and, fark are you retarded or what?
 
2013-12-24 11:00:40 AM
EHRMAHGERD. This is an outrage, either because:

a) 1% IS TOO LOW!

or

b) government employees make too much already!111!!!eleven!

THANKS A LOT OBAMA
 
2013-12-24 11:00:50 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


The government doesn't run fast food joints.

http://www.bea.gov/faq/ index.cfm?faq_id=320

What factors explain the difference between average compensation of federal government civilian employees and average compensation of private-sector employees?

There are a number of factors that explain why average compensation for federal government non-postal civilian employees is higher than average compensation for private-sector employees.

The mix of occupations held by federal government civilian employees is different from that of occupations held by the entire private-sector workforce. The private-sector workforce ranges from jobs that pay a minimum wage to highly paid CEOs. According to studies conducted by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), jobs in the federal government civilian workforce are concentrated in professional (e.g., lawyers, accountants, and economists), administrative, and technical occupations.1 In addition, skill levels and educational attainment tend to be higher, on average, for federal government civilian employees than for private-sector employees because of the occupational requirements in the federal government.2

Over the past several years, there has been a shift in federal employment toward higher-skilled, higher-paid positions as lower-skilled (and lower-paid) positions in the federal government have been contracted out to private industries.1 This trend has contributed to higher average pay for federal government civilian employees than for private-sector employees.
 
2013-12-24 11:01:49 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?
 
2013-12-24 11:01:59 AM

MyRandomName: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.


I was wondering the same thing.  Seems awfully pompous to be so wrong...  Strange.
 
2013-12-24 11:02:33 AM

LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.


Is there no Trayvon thread for you to go be wrong in? Or at least elucidate which point he doesn't understand. He has provided links. Again, federal compensation is well documented. He even used cbo documentation. So show your work. Then again we know the chart you will use that government lawyers make less than private, therefore underaid. Or the one that says a masters degree in politics makes less than a masters in engineering so they are underpaid.

Basically the same useless shiat you always post.
 
2013-12-24 11:02:42 AM

MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.


Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.
 
2013-12-24 11:03:27 AM

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"
 
2013-12-24 11:03:30 AM

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


^THIS^

Seriously, if you're pissed a government employee is getting paid better, that's the fault of your company farking you over. Speak out, don't biatch and moan and drag the fed employees down with you. Bringing them down does nothing to help your cause, just hurt it for all of us. Fight for your right to a decent wage.
 
2013-12-24 11:04:43 AM

MyRandomName: somedude210: oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.

in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D

Who knew the Executive had power of the purse!


The HR department isn't the accounting department, who knew!
 
2013-12-24 11:05:10 AM

Serious Black: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?


I'm performing a statistical analysis now?  Well that escalated quickly.  I was merely pointing out that Federal employees, compared to the serfs, don't have it all that bad.  Of course there are myriad factors behind that.  I'd still rather do a menial federal job than a menial private sector job.
 
2013-12-24 11:06:31 AM

LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.


Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!
 
2013-12-24 11:06:47 AM

Pick: That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.


How is that cost broken down exactly?  I am fine with paying for an overwhelming security presence to protect my president.  I don't want my president flying commercial either.  If it is necessary to send a bunch of staff along to keep him informed of what is going on, I'm fine with that too.  And I guess that a presidential vacation isn't so much 'forget about everything and try to catch up in two weeks' as it is 'keep working just a little bit less and at a nicer location'.

If you are counting his security, it probably costs less than securing all that area around the whitehouse.
We pay for Air Force One whether it is flying or parked.
We pay for his staff no matter where they are.
 
2013-12-24 11:07:07 AM

MyRandomName: FarkedOver: LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?

don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.

He said federal employee. Dont worry, one day you will understand the basic working of government.


Tis the season.  Let's just fark all public sector employees.  Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?
 
2013-12-24 11:07:09 AM

somedude210: BMulligan: It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.

never ignore the trolls, disprove them, smack 'em around, let everyone see how foolish they are and move on. If you can do it in 1 post, then that's all you need.


Sometimes, sometimes not. If their nonsense is of the sort which might be taken seriously by the weak-minded, then yes - disinformation of that sort must be addressed. This one, though, is the sort which can be spotted as an utter joke even by the stupidest among us, and in my opinion the best approach in such a case is to deprive it of the attention it obviously craves.
 
2013-12-24 11:08:26 AM

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


This.

Private sector wages have been stagnant for far too long.

Conservative arguments about that fact?  Cut government worker salaries.

Serious, wtf?
 
2013-12-24 11:08:58 AM

PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"


or tell them to fight for a decent wage, and if they say "well then I'll get fired" tell them to get their co-workers to fight with you because you all deserve decent wages. And if they tell you "Then we'll all be fired" Then tell them that you'll come together with all of them and make sure all replacement employees know they'll get screwed out of decent pay for good work. Get the group together and fight as one for the betterment of everyone at your work.

/this is why we need unions
//because we've all lost our spines when they demolished the unions last time.
 
2013-12-24 11:09:13 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.

Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!


Your point can be right while your chart is still ass-wrong. Try using words to make your point, rather than posting an out of context, uncited, BS graph.
 
2013-12-24 11:09:50 AM
Awesome.   Now they will get 141% as much as the going rate instead of 140%.
 
2013-12-24 11:10:22 AM
Holy fark, AllDevicesZeroDown is taking deliberately obtuse to a level normally not seen outside of evolution threads.
 
2013-12-24 11:11:10 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


imageshack.com

Among those with a college degree, it's quite similar. Among those with advanced degrees, private sector pays better. But since:

BeerLion: 44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.


it looks like public workers are getting paid hand over fist, when really it's commensurate with their education level. Also a large factor in this is that the federal government doesn't tend to hire schmucks to work 15 hours a week, while private industry does that all the time, so even where hourly wages are similar, the private sector's annual wages will lag behind.

/again, ask not why public workers have held onto their benefits
//ask why private workers have lost theirs
 
2013-12-24 11:11:19 AM

Brick-House: Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/


If you actually go to your link and follow it through to the Bureau of Labor Statistics website, you can clearly see that it does include both food and fuel.  In fact there's a handy table that breaks down inflation for food at home and away from home, and energy from different sources such as gasoline, natural gas, and electricity.  I even double-checked their math -- they appear to be using the "annual average" CPI-U number published by the BLS for past years, and the latest month's CPI-U for the latest year.

You have clearly been trying to keep up with economic talking points, so good for you for your efforts; but please be aware that critique about using the measure that excludes food and fuel is generally made about the Federal Reserve's monetary policy, not about the government's budget decisions.
 
2013-12-24 11:15:42 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: MyRandomName: Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.

Nobody is arguing that they are not paid more, on average.

Well that's all that I meant by my chart...and the response by you and your friends was a big NUH-UH!


Ahhhh didnt see what you were swinging at
A) graph you initially posted, not in your link.
B) Data that is shown is no where NEAR the numbers in your initial graph.
C) The government doesnt hire burger flippers, but a usually very trained/ educated workforce. that being said, they pay them well, on average.
 
2013-12-24 11:15:55 AM

FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?


If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.
 
2013-12-24 11:16:42 AM

RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.


BRB going to the copy room ;)
 
2013-12-24 11:18:00 AM
And now the federal workers can use their 1% increase to put 1% more money into circulation in the economy, which will have a multiplier effect as it moves through the system.

It's the circle of demand
It moves us all....
 
2013-12-24 11:19:40 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study: Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate: Your a big dumby, they no the same.


Actually, it's more like:

Chart: Federal employees make $60,000 more than private sector.

Study: Federal employees, based on education level, make more than people without college degrees, less than people with doctorates or professional degrees, and about the same as everyone else (but the benefits are nice).

Fark Commentariate: Your chart inline that shows the $60k more bit? Yeah, that complete and utter BS.


Guess what? It's complete and utter BS.
 
2013-12-24 11:19:58 AM

FarkedOver: RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.

BRB going to the copy room ;)


oh hey, you're in my state too....hmmm.... ;)
 
2013-12-24 11:20:50 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: Serious Black: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?

I'm performing a statistical analysis now?  Well that escalated quickly.  I was merely pointing out that Federal employees, compared to the serfs, don't have it all that bad.  Of course there are myriad factors behind that.  I'd still rather do a menial federal job than a menial private sector job.


Lloyd Blankfein is a serf now? Wow.

Seriously though, unless you control for things like education and average hours per week worked, you're going to get nowhere. Federal employees on the General Schedule are all putting in 40 hours a week vice about 34 hours a week for the private sector according to BLS. And as somebody else here pointed out, federal employees have more education in the aggregate than private sector employees. Those two factors alone will get rid of much of the disparity.

Beyond that, why does that chart prove that federal employees are overpaid rather than private sector employees are underpaid?
 
2013-12-24 11:20:57 AM

RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.


Based on my 35 years experience, the phrases "public sector employees" and "sexy ladies" do not belong in the same conversation.
 
2013-12-24 11:21:18 AM

somedude210: FarkedOver: RminusQ: FarkedOver: Tis the season. Let's just fark all public sector employees. Farking good for nothings! Amirite!?

If there are sexy ladies involved, please do. I knew that people brag about the benefits of public work, but that's even better than expected.

BRB going to the copy room ;)

oh hey, you're in my state too....hmmm.... ;)


Massholes of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our Rs.
 
2013-12-24 11:22:42 AM

RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.


Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.
 
2013-12-24 11:25:07 AM

BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........



Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like the rest of us.
 
2013-12-24 11:25:58 AM

BMulligan: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


Ignore it?  What it even saying anything?  It sounded like a hairdryer pushing hot air through a Dyson fan.
 
2013-12-24 11:26:31 AM
Those of you that are complaining about government worker salaries and benefits should stop and think for a bit. The private sector used to pay a lot more than the government jobs. Then the trickle down theory took hold and wages in the private sector stagnated as the profits were all given to the upper management and shareholders. In the 1960s and 1970s a large percentage of private sector jobs offered real benefits. Unfortunately those cost money and company owners realized that they could just cut them because what power do their workers have since unions have been gutted over the past 40 years. It's not that the government workers are getting rich, it's that the 1% figured out they could take money from the private sector workers. American productivity is up but the wages of the average worker hasn't increased with that productivity in any meaningful way. You shouldn't be upset at the government workers for making more than you, you should be asking yourself what has happened in the last 35 years to cause this.
 
2013-12-24 11:27:44 AM

FarkedOver: Massholes of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our Rs.


don't forget our pants! (and spelling it "donut")
 
2013-12-24 11:27:50 AM
Oh and if it doesnt matter at this point, Hey,

Thanks Obama.

Money is money. Thumbs up. Maybe it'll help coax a few bucks out of the private sector aristocracy.

/ LOL
// Actually cant wait to hear about how Fox spins this. It should be pants-on-head retarded.
 
2013-12-24 11:28:45 AM

BMulligan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

...
Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Because believing that minimum wage should be a livable wage is the work of the devil.  Sorry, but the bottom social rung NEEDS to slowly starve to death.
 
2013-12-24 11:29:30 AM

MBooda: Based on my 35 years experience, the phrases "public sector employees" and "sexy ladies" do not belong in the same conversation.


you haven't been in federal employment in a loooooooooong time, have you?
 
2013-12-24 11:31:27 AM

MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]


hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.
 
2013-12-24 11:32:29 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: Serious Black: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?

I'm performing a statistical analysis now?  Well that escalated quickly.  I was merely pointing out that Federal employees, compared to the serfs, don't have it all that bad.  Of course there are myriad factors behind that.  I'd still rather do a menial federal job than a menial private sector job.


A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.
 
2013-12-24 11:33:12 AM

Nutsac_Jim: MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]

hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.


I have several LESs that confirm I did lose money because of the summer furloughs.
 
2013-12-24 11:34:13 AM

Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.


FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?
 
2013-12-24 11:34:19 AM

LasersHurt: I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.


Dude, he started his account yesterday and already has a persecution complex and a fairly distinct understanding of memes, etiquette, and post format. I'm not saying he's a sock puppet, but he's a  farking sock puppet.

Also, how sad is it that the hoarders have become so successful at getting the people who make very little bitter and envious about the people who make a tiny bit more while ignoring the people who hoard the majority of the country's wealth?
 
2013-12-24 11:35:28 AM

PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.


Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?
 
2013-12-24 11:35:32 AM

MBooda: Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.

FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?


I had not started kindergarten on that date, so I didn't really have a choice in using FERS.
 
2013-12-24 11:36:19 AM

BMulligan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

 
2013-12-24 11:36:25 AM

InteriorDesignNinja: Because believing that minimum wage should be a livable wage is the work of the devil. Sorry, but the bottom social rung NEEDS to slowly starve to death.


It's not that they need to starve to death; it's that they choose to.  Why not leave your minimum wage job and take a job that pays 5 times as much?  Better yet, why not borrow $100K from your parents and start a business?  Poors are so lazy.
 
2013-12-24 11:37:31 AM

Bloody William: PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.

Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?


yes.

Next question
 
2013-12-24 11:37:50 AM

Serious Black: MBooda: Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.

FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?

I had not started kindergarten on that date, so I didn't really have a choice in using FERS.


Commiserations to you and all others who started after June 6, 1986.

/and get off my lawn
 
2013-12-24 11:41:07 AM

BeerLion: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

/Well paid Air Traffic Controller nearing retirement after 28+ years.  This comment sums up the Federal worker pay vs public sector very well.
//Not complaining about my pay or benefits, it's enough that I bought a home, save for retirement, can afford to take a modest vacation most years and I was able to send my 3 kids to a state college.

"Federal employees (scientists, doctors, engineers, lawyers, specialists) make more than the average american worker (skewed on the low end by jobs including farm hands, burger flippers and retail sales people). Well funded Conservative propaganda machines such as "The Heritage Foundation" and their Libertarian propaganda counterpart "The Cato Institute" continue to compare low end wage earners to rocket scientists when running these public vs private sector pay "studies". "

44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.


Your number is meaningless.  Compare a federal electrical engineer with a private electrical engineer.  Adding in French Fry Engineers to dumb down the general population is misleading.
 
2013-12-24 11:41:20 AM

AllDevicesZeroDown: Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.


you said  " Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector. " twice
 
2013-12-24 11:42:34 AM

Arkanaut: Brick-House: Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

If you actually go to your link and follow it through to the Bureau of Labor Statistics website, you can clearly see that it does include both food and fuel.  In fact there's a handy table that breaks down inflation for food at home and away from home, and energy from different sources such as gasoline, natural gas, and electricity.  I even double-checked their math -- they appear to be using the "annual average" CPI-U number published by the BLS for past years, and the latest month's CPI-U for the latest year.

You have clearly been trying to keep up with economic talking points, so good for you for your efforts; but please be aware that critique about using the measure that excludes food and fuel is generally made about the Federal Reserve's monetary policy, not about the government's budget decisions.


I like your style.
 
2013-12-24 11:45:06 AM

Nutsac_Jim: MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]

hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.


hehehe.. lookie.  Someone who doesn't know the difference between the furlough and the government shutdown but still makes an ignorant snarky comment.
 
2013-12-24 11:50:15 AM

Nutsac_Jim: Your number is meaningless. Compare a federal electrical engineer with a private electrical engineer. Adding in French Fry Engineers to dumb down the general population is misleading.


Federal electrical engineers make <2K more a year than their private counterparts.  The pay is fairly comparable, but the public sector pay is somewhat better.
 
2013-12-24 11:50:56 AM

PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"


its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation
 
2013-12-24 11:51:47 AM
Given the overall performance of the government, that raise seems excessive.
 
2013-12-24 11:53:28 AM

soup sandwich: PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"

its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation


I'm going to let you start again. I suggest going back to that you wrote and removing the words and phrases you don't understand. It will be a shorter post, but it will be less utterly farking vapid. That drek sounded like Sarah Palin having a Tourette's attack.
 
2013-12-24 11:55:08 AM

Bloody William: soup sandwich: PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"

its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation

I'm going to let you start again. I suggest going back to that you wrote and removing the words and phrases you don't understand. It will be a shorter post, but it will be less utterly farking vapid. That drek sounded like Sarah Palin having a Tourette's attack.


Don't you have an ACA thread to be wrong in?
 
2013-12-24 11:55:58 AM

wambu: Given the overall performance of the government, that raise seems excessive.


Congress != total government

Don't mix us in with those clowns.
 
2013-12-24 11:57:07 AM
Nutsac_Jim:Your number is meaningless.  Compare a federal electrical engineer with a private electrical engineer.  Adding in French Fry Engineers to dumb down the general population is misleading.

How is 44% of Federal employees having at least a Bachelors degree vs 18% of the civilian employees meaningless when discussing the difference in pay?  It speaks directly to one of the main reasons for the pay disparity.  As for comparing apples to apples here ya go - again.  With a Bachelors degree or more Feds make equal or less than their civilian counterparts.  I won't lie though, having what seems like the last employer in America that still has health insurance, paid vacation and a retirement plan is nice.  I am sad that with the downfall of the union everybody else seems to have lost them.

img.fark.net
 
2013-12-24 11:57:28 AM
Think that federal employees are overpaid?

Then take some personal responsibility, and get a better job that pays as well. Are you waiting for some kind of handout? It's up to you to improve your situation; you must pull yourself up because no one else is going to.
 
2013-12-24 11:59:47 AM

soup sandwich: its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation


You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?
 
2013-12-24 12:00:16 PM

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


Haha.  Look who's poor and doesn't realize it...
 
2013-12-24 12:00:48 PM

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?


No, this is where you wonder why in the richest country in the world, you don't have the same benefits.
 
2013-12-24 12:01:09 PM

manbart: Then take some personal responsibility, and get a better job that pays as well. Are you waiting for some kind of handout? It's up to you to improve your situation; you must pull yourself up because no one else is going to.


tell them to unionize, bring those back and we won't have as much wage disparity
 
2013-12-24 12:02:10 PM

somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?


I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee
 
2013-12-24 12:02:22 PM
The other factor to keep in mind is that the average Federal worker lives in DC.

It is expensive to live there and the dollar does not go as far as in Kansas.

So you really cant not compare a janitor in DC vs a janitor in Kansas.

A federal janitor vs a private janitor in Fairfax County is a fair comparison.
 
2013-12-24 12:05:57 PM

BeerLion: Nutsac_Jim: MBooda: Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
[i.imgur.com image 500x200]

hehehe.. lookie.  Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.

hehehe.. lookie.  Someone who doesn't know the difference between the furlough and the government shutdown but still makes an ignorant snarky comment.


Inform us how government workers lost money.  Thanks.
 
2013-12-24 12:06:13 PM
I guess it's easier to be jealous of your neighbors than of your kings.
 
2013-12-24 12:06:26 PM

nmrsnr: I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee


almost as funny as the private sector employees that are on Fark during work hours extolling how lazy and worthless and overpaid federal employees are. That amuses me as well

/Federal employee
//it's also noon on xmas eve
///I'm impressed most of the place hasn't left early yet
 
2013-12-24 12:06:49 PM

nmrsnr: somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?

I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee


I'm a slide and model monkey today. While I'm waiting for the model to run and give me output so I can build my slides, I check Fark.
 
2013-12-24 12:07:11 PM

Bloody William: PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.

Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?


No. Goddamnit, NO. You're what's farking wrong with this country. Personified.
 
2013-12-24 12:08:43 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.


While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing
 
2013-12-24 12:08:48 PM

nmrsnr: somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?

I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee


/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.
 
2013-12-24 12:10:05 PM

BeerLion: nmrsnr: somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?

I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee

/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.


That sucks, man, but thanks for helping make sure other people can be with their families over the holidays!
 
2013-12-24 12:10:10 PM

Serious Black: I'm a slide and model monkey today. While I'm waiting for the model to run and give me output so I can build my slides, I check Fark.


same here, I'm editing a co-worker's paper and making sure a model is running right and fixing it if it snags on convolving a solution

fark breaks up the monotony
 
2013-12-24 12:11:58 PM

somedude210: Serious Black: I'm a slide and model monkey today. While I'm waiting for the model to run and give me output so I can build my slides, I check Fark.

same here, I'm editing a co-worker's paper and making sure a model is running right and fixing it if it snags on convolving a solution

fark breaks up the monotony


I'm chipping away at some audio reviews, but both of my editors are out and I'm already on schedule for the month for output (and a coworker's kids in the lab so I can't use half of my preferred songs to test this speaker I'm reviewing), so basically today is keeping an eye out for news/CES invites and announcements and watching Steam for the next list of sales.

/Fark eats away at me, but it eats away at a part of my I don't really use that much.
 
2013-12-24 12:12:03 PM

BMulligan: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


It's a Christmas miracle!
 
2013-12-24 12:12:12 PM

Bloody William: BeerLion: nmrsnr: somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?

I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee

/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.

That sucks, man, but thanks for helping make sure other people can be with their families over the holidays!


what he said, it sucks but take solace in knowing that you're helping that soldier make it back home for christmas for the first time in years, or that couple seeing their grandchild for the first time or just that once a year chance for a family split up by distance across this nation having a chance to be together.

*turns off sappy music*
 
2013-12-24 12:13:11 PM

somedude210: Bloody William: BeerLion: nmrsnr: somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?

I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee

/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.

That sucks, man, but thanks for helping make sure other people can be with their families over the holidays!

what he said, it sucks but take solace in knowing that you're helping that soldier make it back home for christmas for the first time in years, or that couple seeing their grandchild for the first time or just that once a year chance for a family split up by distance across this nation having a chance to be together.

*turns off sappy music*


www.troll.me
 
2013-12-24 12:13:33 PM

Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.


anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id
 
2013-12-24 12:13:37 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money.  Thanks.


The furlough days Federal Employees ate this summer is different than the shutdown.  You appear to have some basic knowledge of how the internet works so i'll let you research it yourself if you are truly interested in ;earning before you make yet another ignorant snark. FAA employees at least had 11 unpaid furlough days starting in April I think, one per pay period for 11 pay periods.
 
2013-12-24 12:14:11 PM

BeerLion: /Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day. Happy Holidays.


Good on you, but if you're on night shift tonight and day shift tomorrow when do you sleep? I don't want air traffic controllers nodding off.
 
2013-12-24 12:14:37 PM

Bloody William: somedude210: Bloody William: BeerLion: nmrsnr: somedude210: You have no idea what federal employees do, do you? You just see the snow plow guy your town hired out only plow half of the street (not your half) and keep driving around clearing that side of the street the whole time, right?

I like that federal employees are on Fark during work hours extolling how hard federal employees work. That amuses me.

/federal employee

/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.

That sucks, man, but thanks for helping make sure other people can be with their families over the holidays!

what he said, it sucks but take solace in knowing that you're helping that soldier make it back home for christmas for the first time in years, or that couple seeing their grandchild for the first time or just that once a year chance for a family split up by distance across this nation having a chance to be together.

*turns off sappy music*

[www.troll.me image 552x414]


genuine ^_^ I always appreciate those that have to sacrifice their holidays to help many more have great holidays.
 
2013-12-24 12:16:15 PM
Man, this thread turned into a federal employee circle jerk pretty quickly...

/nttawwt
 
2013-12-24 12:16:31 PM

BeerLion: FAA employees at least had 11 unpaid furlough days starting in April I think, one per pay period for 11 pay periods.


ouch... DoD managed to knock it down to 6 days and we took 2/pay period for 3 pay periods

/sucked losing ~$250 for a month and a half
 
2013-12-24 12:17:38 PM

Serious Black: Man, this thread turned into a federal employee circle jerk pretty quickly...

/nttawwt


*puts pants back on*

I see how it is...

/and I think it's more of we smacked the trolls around enough that it's no longer fun for them
//one can hope
///who said fed employees can't win battles? ^_^
 
2013-12-24 12:20:47 PM

Bloody William: I'm already on schedule for the month for output


I'm technically at ~130% of my slated productivity, so I don't really feel bad goofing off a bit.

somedude210: We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)


Oh god, I'd hate to play Civ V with other people, I'd get conquered in no time. "I just want to be all peaceful and learn science!" "Too bad." *stabs repeatedly*

Screw cultural victories, I want Atheism and Piety, dammit!
 
2013-12-24 12:22:44 PM

somedude210: Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.

While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing


Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post...  and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?

and I am the one that is wrong?


If people had a problem paying the cable bill because they had to take a day off here and there, then that is their problem for living that close to the edge.
Maybe they should rethink whether they really need HBO, Cinemax, Encore, and Starz, and could just survive on only HBO.
For crying out loud, people are supposed to have 6 months of bills saved up.

If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.
 
2013-12-24 12:27:52 PM

Nutsac_Jim: somedude210: Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.

While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing

Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post...  and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?

and I am the one that is wrong?


If people had a problem paying the cable bill because they had to take a day off here and there, then that is their problem for living that close to the edge.
Maybe they should rethink whether they really need HBO, Cinemax, Encore, and Starz, and could just survive on only HBO.
For crying out loud, people are supposed to have 6 months of bills saved up.

If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.


You're comparing the government shut down to paying the cable bill. Your a idiot.
 
2013-12-24 12:29:21 PM

somedude210: Serious Black: Man, this thread turned into a federal employee circle jerk pretty quickly...

/nttawwt

*puts pants back on*

I see how it is...

/and I think it's more of we smacked the trolls around enough that it's no longer fun for them
//one can hope

///who said fed employees can't win battles? ^_^


Once in awhile, we can slay the trolls. I just hope we can slay the jackasses in Congress that may stop us from getting funding after January 15th.

/22 days till the next government shutdown
 
2013-12-24 12:30:37 PM

soup sandwich: PanicMan: RminusQ: Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.

For those saying federal workers are paid too much, If I was a cynical asshole I'd respond with "Why do you hate the troops?  Freedom isn't free!"

its not just that fed workers are overpaid, its also that they underwork...except that the work hey do also hurts the economy by excess regulation and misdirected resource allocation



 This leads me to believe that you don't know any federal workers.  So let me introduce you to one.  Me.  My job is to make sure that equipment given to Soldiers is safe to use, and does what it was designed to do.  This job requires an engineering degree, which I have.  It also requires years of specialized training and experience, which I also have.  I get paid comparable or a little less than I would make in the private sector, but I still get paid pretty well.  A chunk of that goes back to the government in taxes, which I am happy to pay.  A large chunk of the rest I spend on stuff like my mortgage, my student loans, and whatever other things I decide are important to me.

I'm at home right now because I haven't taken a vacation in years and I have too much leave to carry over.  There will be plenty of work waiting for me when I get back to the office.  I do help write regulations, but only related to safety and testing.  We operate like a business.  We have budgets we have to stick to, and customers that we have to please.  Money is very strictly controlled and monitored.  Proper testing actually saves money and lives in the long run, which is why it's so important.

I suspect you're just repeating a talking point and haven't put any thought into it.  I challenge you to back up your statement, because I have no reason to believe it's true anywhere in the federal government.
 
2013-12-24 12:32:10 PM

FarkedOver: LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?

don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.



To reduce confusion, please include the hyphen: Lazy ass-teachers.
 
2013-12-24 12:34:23 PM

Nutsac_Jim: somedude210: Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.

While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing

Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post...  and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?


and I am the one that is wrong?


If people had a problem paying the cable bill because they had to take a day off here and there, then that is their problem for living that close to the edge.
Maybe they should rethink whether they really need HBO, Cinemax, Encore, and Starz, and could just survive on only HBO.
For crying out loud, people are supposed to have 6 months of bills saved up.

If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.


The sequester forced us into mandatory furloughs. I have a stack of letters in a drawer next to my desk from May and June. These letters discuss the proposal to furlough everyone in my agency, my response to said proposal to furlough us, and their response back plus definitive notice that we were being furloughed. Long story short, we were furloughed twice in this calendar year and got back pay for only one of those furloughs.
 
2013-12-24 12:34:29 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post... and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?


actually, you said "inform us how government employees lost money" and I did. We took a hit during the summer with the sequester cuts and had 6-14 furlough days (depending on agency) So while we you are right in that we got paid back for the shut down back in October, those furlough days we went through back in spring/summer were never paid back and they are a permanent loss in money.

Saying that "government employees got paid back" without acknowledging or taking into account the sequester furloughs is being purposefully dishonest intellectually.
 
2013-12-24 12:35:29 PM

Serious Black: Once in awhile, we can slay the trolls. I just hope we can slay the jackasses in Congress that may stop us from getting funding after January 15th.

/22 days till the next government shutdown


they'll pass something, A shutdown is too damaging to them politically to ever risk it again
 
2013-12-24 12:36:00 PM

Snarfangel: FarkedOver: LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?

don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.


To reduce confusion, please include the hyphen: Lazy ass-teachers.


I will never be able to stop moving the hyphen after reading that damn XKCD comic.
 
2013-12-24 12:36:52 PM

nmrsnr: Oh god, I'd hate to play Civ V with other people, I'd get conquered in no time. "I just want to be all peaceful and learn science!" "Too bad." *stabs repeatedly*

Screw cultural victories, I want Atheism and Piety, dammit!


That's how I am. I play a very defensive game that focuses on culture and science (wonders for the economic boost!)

but we're very good about playing with each other. We normally take on the AI if we feel we need to smack a biatch
 
2013-12-24 12:37:31 PM

Bloody William: PanicMan: A "menial" federal job is they give you a rifle and send you to Afganistan. A "menial"private sector job they give you an apron and make you work the night shift. There's a reason the first one pays more.

Also, shouldn't any job you work full-time, menial or not, compensate you with a living wage?


Absolutely.

somedude210: Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.

anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id


There's a Fark steam group, right?

/panic
 
2013-12-24 12:40:47 PM

PanicMan: There's a Fark steam group, right?

/panic


aye, there is. But I mostly just hang with some of the cafers

/your name is "panic"? Cause I'm sure there aren't *thousands* of those steam names...
 
2013-12-24 12:45:22 PM

somedude210: PanicMan: There's a Fark steam group, right?

/panic

aye, there is. But I mostly just hang with some of the cafers

/your name is "panic"? Cause I'm sure there aren't *thousands* of those steam names...


*shrugs* I'm the only one in the Fark group.
 
2013-12-24 12:52:20 PM

somedude210: I think it's more of we smacked the trolls around enough that it's no longer fun for them


That's the problem - they enjoy being smacked around.
 
2013-12-24 12:54:36 PM

PanicMan: *shrugs* I'm the only one in the Fark group.


hmmm...I'll have to check when I get home. I'm the only somedude210 in both the fark group or steam (I hope)


BMulligan: That's the problem - they enjoy being smacked around.


Kinky...
 
2013-12-24 12:57:14 PM

somedude210: Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.

anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id


Just added you (I'm Aggro). Do you have a Starbound server, too? I've been trying to get one set up. Recently got into the gamma systems.
 
2013-12-24 12:58:32 PM

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


Even if that were true, whose fault is that? People in the private sector have done their best to destroy unions and in doing so screw themselves out of the good pay and benefits they used to have. You let the 1% take your hours (who works 40 any more?) your defined benefit plans (pensions), your bargaining power for better conditions and pay, everything you gripe that government employees are getting... you gave away.

Here's a thought... instead of trying to drag someone else down, how about pulling yourself up? ORGANIZE.

/when you you go in alone, you beg
//when you go in together, you negotiate
 
2013-12-24 01:00:31 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Ok,,. so just to be sure.. You agree people did get paid their money, which was the subject of the post... and you
bring in a totally unrelated subject of the sequester cuts and argue that?

and I am the one that is wrong?


Here's how that conversation went:

MBooda: Yay! Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!

Nutsac_Jim: hehehe.. lookie. Someone thinks federal workers lost money in the furlough.

Serious Black: I have several LESs that confirm I did lose money because of the summer furloughs.

BeerLion: hehehe.. lookie. Someone who doesn't know the difference between the furlough and the government shutdown but still makes an ignorant snarky comment.

Nutsac_Jim: Inform us how government workers lost money. Thanks.

somedude210: While you are correct that the money lost during the shutdown was repaid, that furloughs caused by the Sequester cuts were not. For some of us it was as high as 14 days over the course of the summer that were unpaid, for others it was as little as 6 days. Be it 6 or 14, taking a hit like that still does a lot of damage to your savings.

So fark you, you know nothing


So if you're trying to say that we were never talking about the furloughs, you are in fact completely wrong.

www.gurl.com

Nutsac_Jim: If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.


Wow, you really are an asshole.
 
2013-12-24 01:00:36 PM

Bloody William: Do you have a Starbound server, too? I've been trying to get one set up. Recently got into the gamma systems.


I don't, nor have I tried the multiplayer for it, but there's another farker in the cafe threads who has been interested in multiplayer starbound so maybe we can get something going.
 
2013-12-24 01:02:27 PM

RminusQ: www.gurl.com


I <3 you

/TWW nerd
//now you understand why I work in government
///and enjoy it for that matter
 
2013-12-24 01:03:24 PM

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


Does that chart take into account the fact that there is a much higher ratio of college educated federal workers to those without a degree than in the private sector?

No, of course it doesn't.

Let's try a chart with comparable positions with comparable qualifications and education next time? An "apples to apples" comparison, if you will?

/tired of bullsh*t FoxNews crap like this
 
2013-12-24 01:05:30 PM

Moopy Mac: I like your style.


Thanks.  I've been doing some volunteer work tutoring third graders, and I have learned that just yelling at someone because they're wrong doesn't help.
 
2013-12-24 01:05:48 PM

RminusQ: Nutsac_Jim: If you have kids, and the shutdown was painful, one should really think long and hard if you really love your kids.

Wow, you really are an asshole.


Well, technically he's adjacent to the asshole. 'Taint the same thing.
 
2013-12-24 01:11:34 PM
 
2013-12-24 01:13:38 PM

BMulligan: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


Now THAT is a pathetic Christmas.
 
2013-12-24 01:15:30 PM
I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job
 
2013-12-24 01:18:09 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: somedude210:
You have no idea what federal employees do, do you?

Sell guns to Mexican druglords?  Spy on Americans?  Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies?    Trade on inside information?  Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?


He's just asking questions folks
 
2013-12-24 01:21:06 PM

imontheinternet: InteriorDesignNinja: Because believing that minimum wage should be a livable wage is the work of the devil. Sorry, but the bottom social rung NEEDS to slowly starve to death.

It's not that they need to starve to death; it's that they choose to.  Why not leave your minimum wage job and take a job that pays 5 times as much?  Better yet, why not borrow $100K from your parents and start a business?  Poors are so lazy.


I actually started raging after reading your first sentence.  Must be feeling hairtrigger today.  Nice troll hook either way.
 
2013-12-24 01:21:39 PM

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job


This. Take finance for example. If you're smart enough to understand how a new questionable investment instrument or tactic works, would you rather take 40 grand a year to work on regulating it or cash in and make millions?
 
2013-12-24 01:24:25 PM
b-b-b-bbb--b---bbbbut the government doesn't create jobs, according to our republican buddies.
 
2013-12-24 01:24:46 PM

somedude210: Serious Black: Once in awhile, we can slay the trolls. I just hope we can slay the jackasses in Congress that may stop us from getting funding after January 15th.

/22 days till the next government shutdown

they'll pass something, A shutdown is too damaging to them politically to ever risk it again


baltimoresportsreport.com
 
2013-12-24 01:25:30 PM
The news adjusted for inflation:

Federal workers receive a pay decrease of only 0.5% this year.  This is in contrast to the previous three annual pay decreases (due to inflation) of 2.1%, 3.2%, and 1.6%.

Good jorb, America!
 
2013-12-24 01:27:41 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: Sell guns to Mexican druglords? Spy on Americans? Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies? Trade on inside information? Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?


awwww, how precious, you think the President = all government employees.

How about this: Develop the MRE, as well as female body armor. allow us to fly in the skies safely, make sure our medicinal drugs are actually of medicinal value and not snake oil, maintain the largest interstate highway system in the world

I can go on if you'd like.
 
2013-12-24 01:31:28 PM

Xenomech: The news adjusted for inflation:

Federal workers receive a pay decrease of only 0.5% this year.  This is in contrast to the previous three annual pay decreases (due to inflation) of 2.1%, 3.2%, and 1.6%.

Good jorb, America!


Very few people understand that no COLA or a COLA that doesn't keep up w/ inflation is a pay cut.
 
2013-12-24 01:31:29 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: somedude210:
You have no idea what federal employees do, do you?

Sell guns to Mexican druglords?  Spy on Americans?  Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies?    Trade on inside information?  Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?


No, I don't do any of those things.

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job


*internet fist bump*
 
2013-12-24 01:35:43 PM

somedude210: Manfred J. Hattan: Sell guns to Mexican druglords? Spy on Americans? Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies? Trade on inside information? Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?

awwww, how precious, you think the President = all government employees.

How about this: Develop the MRE, as well as female body armor. allow us to fly in the skies safely, make sure our medicinal drugs are actually of medicinal value and not snake oil, maintain the largest interstate highway system in the world

I can go on if you'd like.


Here's one my agency worked on for the last few years: reorganizing the BCTs.
 
2013-12-24 01:39:40 PM

somedude210: Manfred J. Hattan: Sell guns to Mexican druglords? Spy on Americans? Design bad websites and draw up regulations to cancel millions and millions of insurance policies? Trade on inside information? Have a snit fit and make life as difficult as possible by closing properties you don't own or control?

awwww, how precious, you think the President = all government employees.



With the possible exception of the regulations regarding existing health insurance policies, federal employees managed to do all of those things without the knowledge of and in come cases over what would have been the vociferous objections of the President.

As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money).  I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller.  So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.
 
2013-12-24 01:42:49 PM

somedude210: Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.

anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id


spoilerwarned.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-24 01:43:54 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money).  I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller.  So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.


So... you're holding up something that happened two years ago that resulted in the people farking up being fired as a reason to shiat all over another Farker working over Christmas? Man, that's a dickbag move Hefty would be proud to make.
 
2013-12-24 01:44:29 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: With the possible exception of the regulations regarding existing health insurance policies, federal employees managed to do all of those things without the knowledge of and in come cases over what would have been the vociferous objections of the President.

As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money). I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller. So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.


So your entire debate is based by anecdote. Thank you for showing your gullibility, Mr. Barnum by the door will show you what you've won.
 
2013-12-24 01:56:44 PM
Man, that completely wrong asshole sure ran away and didn't respond to our charges that he was an asshole and completely wrong.
 
2013-12-24 01:59:25 PM

grumpfuff: somedude210: Bloody William: watching Steam for the next list of sales.

anything good today?

/add me on steam. We have a group of TFers that play Civ V (among other things)
//steam id same as my fark id

[spoilerwarned.files.wordpress.com image 240x300]


FTL is 66% off... I'm just sayin...
 
2013-12-24 02:02:24 PM

PanicMan: FTL is 66% off... I'm just sayin...


got that in last year's sale. Fantastic game
 
2013-12-24 02:04:25 PM
BeerLion:

/Air Traffic Controller, I'll be on the night shift tonite and the day shift tomorrow on Christmas day.  Happy Holidays.


Just want to say thanks for getting me home safe.

/and keep an eye out for a large, fast moving UFO tonight coming from the north that may or may not have a transponder
 
2013-12-24 02:06:37 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


Yeah, no. This may be true for some positions, but it's not representative of federal workers in general at all.
 
2013-12-24 02:08:39 PM

Manfred J. Hattan:  I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller.  So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.


Those unfortunate few are the reason I have a 9 hour break after my evening shift tonite and my day shift tomorrow instead of 8.
 
2013-12-24 02:08:48 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Manfred J. Hattan: With the possible exception of the regulations regarding existing health insurance policies, federal employees managed to do all of those things without the knowledge of and in come cases over what would have been the vociferous objections of the President.

As to your examples, there are definitely good things federal employees have done (though they largely don't take care of the interstate system -- states do that with federal money). I'm extremely willing to thank an air traffic controller. So long as I don't have to wake him up first. That would just be rude.

So your entire debate is based by anecdote.


No, someone just asked.  I answered.  Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.   Some of those things they do because they have to -- they are mandated by law.  Many of them are a result of the administrative state itself.
 
2013-12-24 02:13:42 PM

rewind2846: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Does that chart take into account the fact that there is a much higher ratio of college educated federal workers to those without a degree than in the private sector?

No, of course it doesn't.

Let's try a chart with comparable positions with comparable qualifications and education next time? An "apples to apples" comparison, if you will?

/tired of bullsh*t FoxNews crap like this


Also even the government jobs that don't require degrees often require a number of professional certifications that the private industry doesn't.  And further more, federal jobs, whether they require a degree or not, also usually require some level of security clearance that private sector jobs don't. These things usually result in getting more pay.
 
2013-12-24 02:21:14 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.


You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities? And I assume you can back up the implication that government workers do it more or worse with something besides anecdotes, because otherwise I'm going to stand by saying you're full of shiat.
 
2013-12-24 02:23:54 PM

Bloody William: You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities?


Both Sides Are Bad, So Vote Republican Private Sector.
 
2013-12-24 02:42:51 PM

Bloody William: Manfred J. Hattan: Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.

You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities? And I assume you can back up the implication that government workers do it more or worse with something besides anecdotes, because otherwise I'm going to stand by saying you're full of shiat.


Private sector are saints except for the low-wage sector who should be hit with a water cannon if they dare complain about raising the minimum.
 
2013-12-24 02:42:58 PM
Outing myself as a federal employee. I wont bore you all with the details other than I manage equipment/inventory.

Though Im not sure whether the "federal employee circle jerk" is covered under "benefits" or "workplace hazards". Better wear safety shoes, just in case things get messy.

And lots of hand-sanitizer afterwards.
 
2013-12-24 03:18:35 PM

Serious Black: oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?

I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?


I thought every country celebrated New Year's by now, or does Kabul use a different calendar system?
 
2013-12-24 03:25:47 PM

Sim Tree: Serious Black: oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?

I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?

I thought every country celebrated New Year's by now, or does Kabul use a different calendar system?


Serious answer 1: I'm an American and was deployed last year.

Serious answer 2: Islam uses the lunar year in their calendar for holidays and what not.
 
2013-12-24 03:29:20 PM
Anything less than a cost of living increase is effectively a pay cut, not a pay raise.
 
2013-12-24 05:22:59 PM
They get incredible benefits.
 
2013-12-24 05:28:10 PM

Brick-House: Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/


that majorly pisses me off. and to add insult to injury obama says ok to chained cpi. fark that. my SS net went up .016% which is better than when it didn't go up at all but sure as hell isn't the increase even food has seen,
 
2013-12-24 05:47:41 PM

Curious: my SS net went up .016% which is better than when it didn't go up at all but sure as hell isn't the increase even food has seen,


Few more years and you won't even be able to afford an iceberg to float off on. With something like 1/3 of retired seniors living off of SS income alone, that's just cruelty.
 
2013-12-24 06:05:39 PM

incendi: With something like 1/3 of retired seniors living off of SS income alone, that's just cruelty.


fortunately i'm able to work and have a part time job.

yes i said fortunately because i have a way to offset some big financial mistakes made earlier. a friend who made her mistake late in life then got sick is in far worse shape. otoh i know folks who are on state run pension plans that may well carry them to death in comfort. but there are no guarantees.

what is as annoying as all hell is the right acting like i'm getting over on someone by taking a benefit provided by law and one i paid into for many years. it's not a farking entitlement. we had a deal, i work and put in and later i don't work and take out. worse imo are the poor bastards who are relying on union pensions. i'm not a union lover but i do believe you live up to your promises.
 
2013-12-24 06:11:53 PM

somedude210: wambu: Given the overall performance of the government, that raise seems excessive.

Congress != total government

Don't mix us in with those clowns.


I'm taking into consideration all the government employees I have dealt with in the past year.
 
2013-12-24 06:29:56 PM

BalugaJoe: They get incredible benefits.


But they take a huge pay cut to do so.  Total salary + benefits are lower (often much lower) when you compare similar jobs with the same level of education and experience.

It also depends on how much benefit you personally gain from the benefits.  Having great health insurance is a waste if you're young and healthy - your employer could be paying $5,000 to insure you while you only use $250 in services, which is about average for someone young and healthy; it would be better for you if your employer got worse insurance and passed the cost savings along into your paycheck.  If you're chronically ill, however, that insurance is a huge benefit.

I've looked at some government jobs similar to what I currently do, and given my education and experience I'd be taking about a 40% pay cut to take those jobs.  The benefits are better (though my current benefits are actually pretty good), but the added benefits certainly aren't worth 40% of my salary.
 
2013-12-24 06:53:08 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


CPennypacker: FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I am also a federal employee (with a "professional degree").  I work in regulation and I can tell you for sure - if I were to quit and go to work for a company that I currently regulate, I could easily double my salary.  Easily.  Maybe triple.  I could buy a lot of toys.  Everyone in my office is basically in the same boat.  The reason I stay is primarily because I believe in my work.  I also like the job security and the retirement benefits.    Retirement would be better if I went to private industry.  My current salary allows me to live a good life so doubling my salary isn't worth it to me.   For whatever this is worth, I am not rich - I drive a 9 year old car on its way to 12-15 years (hopefully) before I get a new one.  Our parking lot has a lot of honda accords, minivans, toyota camrys etc...  In other words - middle class.

My point to those who think we make too much for whatever reason, what do you want from your government?  Do you really want to create an environment where the best/brightest new workers will come nowhere near a government job?  Air traffic controllers, FDA, CDC, USDA, EPA, NIH etc. filled with private industry rejects?  And what would that type of environment look like?  Industry that has more power than the government.

\steps off of soap box
\\walks away with moral satisfaction for speaking my mind
\\\would still hang out on Fark with or without government job

This. Take finance for example. If you're smart enough to understand how a new questionable investment instrument or tactic works, would you rather take 40 grand a year to work on regulating it or cash in and make millions?


I graduated as an accountant 2 years ago. The accounting dept. at my school posted the starting salaries of those of us who had job offers right out of school. Since my school is in the DMV the job make up was half fed half private. About 10 people including myself had and took jobs with the government. Our starting salaries were $42K (GS-7). The other 10-12 people who had jobs with accounting firms started at 55-60K plus a 5-10K bonus for being CPA eligible. $42K versus $60K for the same job.

The only difference is I make sure the government has enough money to buy armour for our military in active theaters while my friends and classmates make sure a company has enough money to give a CEO another million dollar bonus. I live in a 472 sq ft studio in NE DC with under $1K credit card debt, no student loans, barely eat out, and I'm just scraping by and let's not even mention the two (and possibly) three rounds of furloughs. I did the math and am getting a $500 raise which will promptly be eaten by taxes and the "awesome" benefits that everyone raves about.

The same people who say federal workers are overpaid wouldn't last a week in these jobs.
 
2013-12-24 07:00:02 PM

Bloody William: Manfred J. Hattan: Correctly, as it happened. Federal government employees do many, many worthwhile things.  But they also do many, many terrible, awful or even illegal things and even more unnecessary or even harmful busybody things.

You mean like people do? Or are you saying the private sector has noooooo terrible, awful, illegal unnecessary, or harmful busybody activities? And I assume you can back up the implication that government workers do it more or worse with something besides anecdotes, because otherwise I'm going to stand by saying you're full of shiat.


Oh, quite like people do.  With two exceptions.  The first, which I already knew about, is that the private sector can't put people in jail for disobeying their stupid edicts.  The second, which I learned today, is that federal employees are waaaaaaay more defensive and sensitive than other people and can't take even the smallest amount of snark. At least the ones who post to Fark.
 
2013-12-24 08:09:08 PM

MBooda: Veloram: BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Guess they're just gonna have to invest in a 401(k) like some of the rest of us.

FTFY.  Just out of curiosity, am I the only one still on CSRS, or did everybody else in the world suddenly lose their minds on June 6, 1986 and jump on the sinking FERS ship?


I was ppreparing for high school at that date.  FERS all the way here, and hoping the market grows for the next twenty some odd years so I will be able to retire before I die.
 
2013-12-24 08:40:13 PM
One thing this thread makes clear, private sector jobs give you enough free time to troll all day if you want to.
 
2013-12-24 09:59:31 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: So your entire debate is based by anecdote. Thank you for showing your gullibility, Mr. Barnum by the egress will show you what you've won.


Fixed.
 
2013-12-24 11:32:35 PM

BigBaldRon: And they cut military pensions.........


Yeah the politicians love to wave the flag during the war and then screw over the few that actually sacrificed anything when its all over. I think if I was a vet I would be marching on Washington.
 
2013-12-25 12:03:49 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: The second, which I learned today, is that federal employees are waaaaaaay more defensive and sensitive than other people and can't take even the smallest amount of snark. At least the ones who post to Fark.


Considering we've been stuck with asshats on here that equate higher-educated federal employee salaries to those of high school dropouts and biatch about how we're all overpaid moochers who couldn't do a damn thing to save their life, while having a Congress who can't even treat their own staffers with an ounce of respect, let alone not call them all welfare whores on taxpayer dime, you can understand why we're a bit defensive about this shiat.

so up yours, asshole
 
2013-12-25 02:36:23 AM

mrshowrules: Anything less than a cost of living increase is effectively a pay cut, not a pay raise.


If the people you are taxing to pay for your pay raise are not getting a 1% pay raise, then they are getting the pay cut.
They may grumble when you have received a 9% pay raise and are biatching that you didn't get 10%.
 
2013-12-25 04:51:49 AM
RminusQ:/again, ask not why public workers have held onto their benefits
//ask why private workers have lost theirs


Job Creator Secret PR Plan
Step 1: Fark over non-upper management employees.
Step 2: "Hey, look!  Federal employees didn't get farked over!  Everything must be their fault!"
Step 3:  Use money that used to be in the employee pension plan to buy a new yacht to sail around in private lake full of money.
 
2013-12-25 12:43:58 PM
I don't understand the "well, one sector's workers are not paid enough, so no one should get raises" argument. Why wouldn't you want everyone to receive a fair wage? It doesn't seem like much to expect annual raises in line with inflation.
 
2013-12-25 02:33:34 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


OR someone like me, a 23-year Fed, who made GS-11-12 6 years ago, so I had no step increases left at my pay grade. So, since the freeze, I have gotten exactly ZERO % increase. I think my actual scenario trumps your imagined one.
 
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