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2013-12-24 10:15:03 AM  
Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.
 
2013-12-24 10:16:09 AM  

oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.


in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D
 
2013-12-24 10:23:23 AM  
That does it, I am never voting for him again. Thanks Obama!
 
2013-12-24 10:24:05 AM  
That's not even a COLA....
 
2013-12-24 10:26:21 AM  
That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.
 
2013-12-24 10:27:07 AM  
Someone needs to find a smarmy meme of Obama saying "you're welcome" that we can post in every one of these threads.

And by someone, I mean me. Hitting the photoshop now.
 
2013-12-24 10:28:58 AM  

FarkedOver: That's not even a COLA....


You call that a COLA? THIS is a COLA!

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-24 10:29:24 AM  
I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.
 
2013-12-24 10:30:53 AM  

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!
 
2013-12-24 10:32:50 AM  

rjakobi: Someone needs to find a smarmy meme of Obama saying "you're welcome" that we can post in every one of these threads.


images.encyclopediadramatica.es
 
2013-12-24 10:33:32 AM  
Cumulative rate of inflation from 2009 to 2013 is 8.6%

But those are government number which don't include the cost of food and fuel. But is'r not like we need food and fuel.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
 
2013-12-24 10:35:11 AM  
So, basically, federal workers are now one percenters?
 
2013-12-24 10:35:32 AM  
Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?
 
GBB
2013-12-24 10:36:56 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-24 10:37:39 AM  
THANKS OBAMA?

www.jointinterest.com
 
2013-12-24 10:38:18 AM  
And they cut military pensions.........
 
2013-12-24 10:39:29 AM  

FarkedOver: That's not even a COLA....


It's not even a warmed over flat pepsi
 
2013-12-24 10:40:17 AM  
Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?
 
2013-12-24 10:41:05 AM  

LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?


don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.
 
2013-12-24 10:41:12 AM  

Molavian: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!


Federal employee unions are not allowed to negotiate wages. That's why you only hear about union busting efforts at the state level, because those unions are still inappropriately allowedto use political clout to get wage and benefit concessions.

Perhaps the nature of the exploitation of the political process by state employee unions was Jon Corzines speech to the NJ state employee union where he told them he would fight for better wages and so forth if they reelected him as governor.

The only problem with that is that it was supposed to Corzines to represent taxpayers interests, NOT the union. It explains why state govts do such a lousy job of keeping benefits in check. Those unions should have to follow the same rules as the fed unions.
 
2013-12-24 10:41:24 AM  
www.investors.com
 
2013-12-24 10:42:29 AM  

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?


I didn't get any time off for the holidays last year. Of course, I was in Kabul, but who cares about silly details like that?
 
2013-12-24 10:42:32 AM  

Animatronik: Molavian: Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.

That's the beautiful thing about public sector unions.  The government never runs out of money!

Federal employee unions are not allowed to negotiate wages. That's why you only hear about union busting efforts at the state level, because those unions are still inappropriately allowedto use political clout to get wage and benefit concessions.

Perhaps the nature of the exploitation of the political process by state employee unions was Jon Corzines speech to the NJ state employee union where he told them he would fight for better wages and so forth if they reelected him as governor.

The only problem with that is that it was supposed to Corzines to represent taxpayers interests, NOT the union. It explains why state govts do such a lousy job of keeping benefits in check. Those unions should have to follow the same rules as the fed unions.


Sorry for poor grammar, my phone has its own ideas of what I meant to say.
 
2013-12-24 10:45:08 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?
 
2013-12-24 10:45:51 AM  

Pick: That's basically COLA, maybe, sorta, kinda, not really.

Enjoy your $25 million dollar holiday vacation, Mr. President.



Man, I could do a lot of hookers and blow with $25M, because it is exactly the same thing.
 
2013-12-24 10:46:45 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown:


Someone should plot federal employees pay vs. CEO pay, cuz that'll show how much the feds are farking us.
 
2013-12-24 10:48:32 AM  

trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?


It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.
 
2013-12-24 10:49:05 AM  

trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?


http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...
 
2013-12-24 10:50:18 AM  
TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.
 
2013-12-24 10:50:29 AM  
That's what I got for a raise in my Social Security too.
 
2013-12-24 10:51:46 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...


Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.
 
2013-12-24 10:53:49 AM  

oukewldave: Is this where I should feel bad for government workers who get a million days off a year and amazing benefits?



I'm sorry you were too stupid to join a union that would protect your wages. Hence Job Creators have beaten wages and benefits down to the point you are so jealous of those who have it better than you that you insist on trying to take those wages and benefits away. How very Christian of you, I'm sure on this day of all days Christ would be proud of you.

Jesus loves you, but the rest of us think you are an asshole.
 
2013-12-24 10:53:54 AM  

somedude210: oldernell: Don't thank Obama, he just signed the bill.  All thanks go to the gop and the tea party.  I'm sure ryan and cruz are happy about it.

in the off-chance you're not being sarcastic, it was an executive order so it's an Obama thing. :D


Who knew the Executive had power of the purse!
 
2013-12-24 10:54:41 AM  

BMulligan: It's the latest alt. Just ignore it.


never ignore the trolls, disprove them, smack 'em around, let everyone see how foolish they are and move on. If you can do it in 1 post, then that's all you need.
 
2013-12-24 10:55:06 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...


What part of that report is the first graph you posted based on.  Please be specific.
 
2013-12-24 10:55:14 AM  
Yay!  Oh fark you so very much for giving back some of what you stole from us during the furloughs!
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-24 10:55:32 AM  

FarkedOver: LasersHurt: Is this where we lump each and every federal employee into the same box as the fat woman at the post office?

don't forget about the lazy ass teachers.


He said federal employee. Dont worry, one day you will understand the basic working of government.
 
2013-12-24 10:56:42 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


There are different pots of money for different things, and different pay systems depending on where you work.  Under my system, we don't have steps, only performance.  Many people are capped and can't even get that.  And there's no open jobs, so no promotions.
 
2013-12-24 10:57:09 AM  

LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.


Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.
 
2013-12-24 10:58:13 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: TFA: Salary rates have not been increased since January 2010. Some employees have had their pay frozen during this period, while most have received raises through promotions, for performance or advancing up the steps of their pay grades.

By most, they mean substantially all.  The vast majority of government employees get a step-raise every year for the first three years they're within any given grade, every two years for the next six years and every three years for the next nine years.  These step raises hover around the three percent area, some higher some lower.

Which is to say, a person who got promoted to GS-10 around the time of the "freeze" and has not been promoted since has had his or her pay increased 6.6% since then and is on the cusp of getting another 3.1% raise for a total of 10% since the freeze.  It is that 10% higher salary which will be further increased by 1%.   That's what a salary freeze means for the government.


Shh. We only use liberal math on fark. You know like how government spending is decreasing because we only raise spending based on baseline budgeting growth.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:18 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:20 AM  

LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.


Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:41 AM  

Ima4nic8or: I don't see the problem.  Federal workers are still very well paid compared to most of us.


/Well paid Air Traffic Controller nearing retirement after 28+ years.  This comment sums up the Federal worker pay vs public sector very well.
//Not complaining about my pay or benefits, it's enough that I bought a home, save for retirement, can afford to take a modest vacation most years and I was able to send my 3 kids to a state college.

"Federal employees (scientists, doctors, engineers, lawyers, specialists) make more than the average american worker (skewed on the low end by jobs including farm hands, burger flippers and retail sales people). Well funded Conservative propaganda machines such as "The Heritage Foundation" and their Libertarian propaganda counterpart "The Cato Institute" continue to compare low end wage earners to rocket scientists when running these public vs private sector pay "studies". "

44.3% of Federal employees have at least a bachelors degree according to the last CBO study vs 18.7 of the general working population.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:45 AM  
Some people can look at that chart and that CBO paper and say "federal workers are paid too much!" I look at it and wonder why private sector workers are getting screwed so hard on benefits.
 
2013-12-24 10:59:50 AM  

MyRandomName: Who knew the Executive had power of the purse!


He doesn't and this doesn't fall under the power of the purse. It falls under Administrative law given to the executive branch to oversee the agencies that are within the branch (ie. anything agency that isn't part of the courts system or Congress).

If you read the article (haha, I know you don't know how to read), you'd notice the bit about how the budgets for these agencies were not increased to cover the cost of the pay raise, as that would fall under the power of the purse.

So in conclusion, you don't understand how the government works, what's illegal and what's legal, and, fark are you retarded or what?
 
2013-12-24 11:00:40 AM  
EHRMAHGERD. This is an outrage, either because:

a) 1% IS TOO LOW!

or

b) government employees make too much already!111!!!eleven!

THANKS A LOT OBAMA
 
2013-12-24 11:00:50 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]


The government doesn't run fast food joints.

http://www.bea.gov/faq/ index.cfm?faq_id=320

What factors explain the difference between average compensation of federal government civilian employees and average compensation of private-sector employees?

There are a number of factors that explain why average compensation for federal government non-postal civilian employees is higher than average compensation for private-sector employees.

The mix of occupations held by federal government civilian employees is different from that of occupations held by the entire private-sector workforce. The private-sector workforce ranges from jobs that pay a minimum wage to highly paid CEOs. According to studies conducted by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), jobs in the federal government civilian workforce are concentrated in professional (e.g., lawyers, accountants, and economists), administrative, and technical occupations.1 In addition, skill levels and educational attainment tend to be higher, on average, for federal government civilian employees than for private-sector employees because of the occupational requirements in the federal government.2

Over the past several years, there has been a shift in federal employment toward higher-skilled, higher-paid positions as lower-skilled (and lower-paid) positions in the federal government have been contracted out to private industries.1 This trend has contributed to higher average pay for federal government civilian employees than for private-sector employees.
 
2013-12-24 11:01:49 AM  

AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.


Are you familiar with the concept of controlling for a variable in statistical analysis?
 
2013-12-24 11:01:59 AM  

MyRandomName: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Are the several people you and your friends? Compensation of federal workers is pretty well documented.


I was wondering the same thing.  Seems awfully pompous to be so wrong...  Strange.
 
2013-12-24 11:02:33 AM  

LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: LasersHurt: AllDevicesZeroDown: trickymoo: AllDevicesZeroDown: [www.investors.com image 211x229]

Did it hurt your back to have to lug such flagrant horseshiat around or do you own a wheelbarrow?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-Fe dP ay.pdf

Not sure if you can read.  But just in case...

Based on your post, then your linked rebuttal, I can safely say you understand NOTHING about the original chart, and therefore do not understand why several people think it's bullshiat.

Chart : Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Study:  Federal employees make quite a bit more than private sector.
Fark Commentariate:  Your a big dumby, they no the same.

I'm just suggesting that you not post things you clearly don't understand, is all. You've literally made the most basic, facile connection possible - which upon any close reading is obviously not representing anything meaningful.


Is there no Trayvon thread for you to go be wrong in? Or at least elucidate which point he doesn't understand. He has provided links. Again, federal compensation is well documented. He even used cbo documentation. So show your work. Then again we know the chart you will use that government lawyers make less than private, therefore underaid. Or the one that says a masters degree in politics makes less than a masters in engineering so they are underpaid.

Basically the same useless shiat you always post.
 
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