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(RealClear)   Edward Snowden says his "mission is accomplished" and that he has "already won." Because being branded a traitor, a spy, and a terrorist by your home country and being forced to live in Russia is a great victory   (realclear.com) divider line 14
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2013-12-24 10:22:45 AM
4 votes:
1. Invaded Russia
2. Stayed there longer than Napoleon and Hitler combined
2013-12-24 10:25:03 AM
3 votes:
Well, Snowden is a hero to most Farkers.

And who wouldn't want a bunch of cheetos stained sociopath basement dwellers as their number one fans?
2013-12-24 08:25:09 AM
3 votes:
Is the Dumbass tag for Subby?
2013-12-24 04:16:56 PM
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: If he had stopped at "The NSA is spying on US citizens", I could certainly see the argument of him doing it for his country.  Once he started releasing specifics on spying on foreign nations, fark him.


Oh, so that's where you draw the line... interesting.... I suppose. Sort of. But not much.

Edward Snowden is a hero in the truest sense of the word. He stood up for what is right, knowing full well that it would make him the target of the most powerful military dictatorship on earth. He has put his personal safety, and life, on the line for the very document that Americans hold holier than the bible.
2013-12-24 02:04:25 PM
1 votes:
Congratulations on your victory King Pyrrhus.
2013-12-24 11:29:07 AM
1 votes:

XveryYpettyZ: I have no problem with Snowden spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

But I also think he is to some degree a hero.

The rub with being a martyr is the martyrdom bit.  It shouldn't be costless to betray the secrets of your country.  The only way to ensure that people are doing it for good reasons is to make sure they're ground up by the machinery afterward.


This is where I disagree. I have such a sense of revulsion at the idea of "state secrets" despite the recognition that SOME are necessary and that we will never be rid of them, that I feel like the state is entitled only to the ones that don't get expose. The list of state secrets (if there could be one) that are unexposed should take up less than a single page of paper. You call what he did "betraying the secrets of his country." I find that a government who keeps secrets from its own people and which would punish people for telling the truth has hands so dirty already that they do not get to cry "betrayal."

I hope he gets away with it forever and finds some way to have a happy-ever-after.
2013-12-24 11:15:30 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: That said, I know what the guy did was technically wrong. Yes, he betrayed an oath to his country. But I have a hard time being mad at him, because he did it for what he (presumably) thought was a good cause. He (presumably) believed his country committed a grave wrong, and revealed it to the world.


There is no patriotism in "my country right or wrong".  That is blind nationalism.  A true patriot believes their country should do right, even if they have to be shamed and "betrayed" into doing it.  Snowden obviously wasn't afraid of suffering personally to do this, but after what happened to Chelsea Manning (indefinite imprisonment, extended torture and every attempt by the gov't to avoid a fair trial) I don't blame him for fleeing.

Sadly, at this point, nothing could force the USA to "do right" geopolitically.  They will continue to spy, lie, bribe, coerce, murder and war to get what they want, just like most other countries would do if they had access to that tremendous amount of power.
2013-12-24 11:12:46 AM
1 votes:

HailRobonia: Obviously UFOs do exist, and they killed JFK.


What if the UFO made JFK kill JFK?

www.virginmedia.com
2013-12-24 10:52:06 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: But long term, we may be better off because we get more transparency in our government.


I'm willing to bet that isn't how it plays out.

Government doesn't reform or behave when caught with its hand in the cookie jar. It doubles down on the secrecy and abuse because upping the ante and not-getting-caught is always the better policy.
Its why we find ourselves at such an extreme now, and there won't be a change until someone in leadership takes a literal torch to the place.

Whatever Snowden unveils you can rest assured that the truth is far worse and the NSA's top priority is to eliminate as much transparency as possible.

/But hey, at least one branch of government still listens to us.
2013-12-24 10:33:26 AM
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: Well, Snowden is a hero to most Farkers.
And who wouldn't want a bunch of cheetos stained sociopath basement dwellers as their number one fans?


signed, a Fark regular.
2013-12-24 10:24:09 AM
1 votes:
I have no problem with Snowden spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder.

But I also think he is to some degree a hero.

The rub with being a martyr is the martyrdom bit.  It shouldn't be costless to betray the secrets of your country.  The only way to ensure that people are doing it for good reasons is to make sure they're ground up by the machinery afterward.
2013-12-24 10:21:40 AM
1 votes:
Edward Snowden says his "mission is accomplished" and that he has "already won." Because being branded a traitor, a spy, and a terrorist by your home country lying, criminal fascists and a captive media that is failing to demonize this AMERICAN HERO and being forced to live in Russia is a great victory


just a little twirk here and a twirk there
2013-12-24 10:19:53 AM
1 votes:

alaric3: Russian girls.


realrussianmatch.com 

GIS for "Russian Girls" brought this picture up from a Russian dating site.  Man I love the information age.

That said, I know what the guy did was technically wrong.  Yes, he betrayed an oath to his country.  But I have a hard time being mad at him, because he did it for what he (presumably) thought was a good cause.  He (presumably) believed his country committed a grave wrong, and revealed it to the world.  

So, letter of the law verses the spirit of the law...  I don't know, I can't really take a side on this one without feeling like a hypocrite to the other.
2013-12-24 09:03:28 AM
1 votes:
Russian girls.
 
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