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(UPI)   88% of Americans believe that Pope Francis is doing his job well, which bodes well for his re-election campaign in 2014   (upi.com) divider line 57
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2013-12-24 10:14:30 AM
He's doing his job a little TOO well.  There's an old Kurdish proverb (ok it's a civ 4 tech quote too):  If you speak the truth, have a foot in the stirrup.
 
2013-12-24 10:16:20 AM
all I know is that the Pope is pissing off Rush Limbaugh and the prosperity gospel heretics, and that's fine by me!
 
2013-12-24 10:22:57 AM

nekom: He's doing his job a little TOO well.  There's an old Kurdish proverb (ok it's a civ 4 tech quote too):  If you speak the truth, have a foot in the stirrup.


Peter Pumpkinhead came to town
Spreading wisdom and cash around
Fed the starving and housed the poor
Showed the vatican what gold's for
But he made too many enemies
Of the people who would keep us on our knees
Hooray for Peter Pumpkin
Who'll pray for Peter Pumpkinhead?
Oh my!

 
2013-12-24 10:42:47 AM
At least SOMEONE'S trying to put the "Christ" back in "Christian."
 
2013-12-24 11:35:47 AM
That MONSTER! I bet he gives hugs and steak to puppies!
 
2013-12-24 11:38:17 AM

iheartscotch: That MONSTER! I bet he gives hugs and steak to puppies!


And blessings.
 
2013-12-24 11:43:30 AM
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2013-12-24 11:50:42 AM
even atheists have shown an appreciation for him, CNN said.

 
I enjoy that news organizations assume that we must hate everything religious if we are not. 

/I really like the man almost as much as John Paul.
 
2013-12-24 12:05:04 PM

Quinzy: even atheists have shown an appreciation for him, CNN said.

 
I enjoy that news organizations assume that we must hate everything religious if we are not. 

/I really like the man almost as much as John Paul.


Well, the anti-theists get all the publicity, so inside the news bubble, all atheists are anti-theists.
 
2013-12-24 12:06:05 PM
How many of those people actually know that the job of Pope is?
 
2013-12-24 12:06:12 PM
i889.photobucket.com

Suck it conservatives.
 
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2013-12-24 12:06:53 PM
The picture of him holding the staff....is he looking for the Ark if the Covenant? (From the article)
 
2013-12-24 12:07:12 PM

Quinzy: even atheists have shown an appreciation for him, CNN said.


I enjoy that news organizations assume that we must hate everything religious if we are not.

/I really like the man almost as much as John Paul.


s2.quickmeme.com
 
2013-12-24 12:07:38 PM
He's doing his job so well I don't think he will last much longer in it, unfortunately.
 
2013-12-24 12:15:14 PM
Speaking as an atheist, I can say, I definitely like the guy.

The Catholics have been so misguided for so long, it's almost impossible to believe.  This guy appears to be bringing some reality back into things.  We haven't seen the likes of that since they invented the pope.
 
2013-12-24 12:20:54 PM
Seems like a decent enough guy and that he is bringing a bit of humanity back to the church.
 
2013-12-24 12:24:10 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How many of those people actually know that the job of Pope is?


Popeing ain't easy yo! Even if you keep your pope-hand strong.

/ LADIES AND GENTLEMEN:

Introducing, for his first Christmas mass; 5'4" 160lbs, 5'8" with his miter; the pope who said nope; representative of Christ on earth; you better not call him a pansy; FRANCIS!!1!
 
2013-12-24 12:28:03 PM

durbnpoisn: Speaking as an atheist, I can say, I definitely like the guy.

The Catholics have been so misguided for so long, it's almost impossible to believe.  This guy appears to be bringing some reality back into things.  We haven't seen the likes of that since they invented the pope.


I think every religion has been misguided at some point, and you are correct this pope does do his job well. I just wish other religions would learn something from this guy and not try to force religion down someones throat like many of our religions do.
 
2013-12-24 12:40:01 PM

Quinzy: even atheists have shown an appreciation for him, CNN said.

 
I enjoy that news organizations assume that we must hate everything religious if we are not. 

/I really like the man almost as much as John Paul.


I almost converted when Pope  John Paul II was in the Vatican... he was the kindest, most reasonable religious figure that I knew about.

Then I heard about all the sexual allegations (that didn't have anything to do with poor John Paul) and THEN they had the Palpatine-like Pope Benedict... who actually managed to give me nightmares.

I believe I'll stay non-demoninational now that I'm older... but I'm really beginning to like Francis.

/the kneeling
//the catechisms
///it all freaks me the hell out
 
2013-12-24 12:44:44 PM
You don't need polls for a lifetime head of state office.
 
2013-12-24 12:47:54 PM
Amazing that right wingers aren't hip to the Pope's talk of compassion, giving, tolerance and kindness. That fact speak volumes for what the right wing is really all about.
 
2013-12-24 01:09:29 PM

0z79: Quinzy: even atheists have shown an appreciation for him, CNN said.

 
I enjoy that news organizations assume that we must hate everything religious if we are not. 

/I really like the man almost as much as John Paul.

I almost converted when Pope  John Paul II was in the Vatican... he was the kindest, most reasonable religious figure that I knew about.

Then I heard about all the sexual allegations (that didn't have anything to do with poor John Paul) and THEN they had the Palpatine-like Pope Benedict... who actually managed to give me nightmares.

I believe I'll stay non-demoninational now that I'm older... but I'm really beginning to like Francis.

/the kneeling
//the catechisms
///it all freaks me the hell out



Just because the religions themselves are man-made fairytales doesn't mean that none of religions' adherents have nothing of value to say. Some very smart people have chosen to believe in those myths over the years. So while we may find the notion of believing in the literal truth of a god, souls, Jesus and angels to be ridiculous that doesn't mean there's no value in encouraging people to follow the core teachings of "Jesus" when they already chose to believe he was real. People loving one another, caring for the poor, not being obsessed with wealth acquisition and not being judgmental is a good thing.

I'd still like to see humanity grow up and leave aside our childish superstitions, but that isn't going to be happening any time soon. So people following christianity like Pope Francis is laying out is certainly vastly preferable to following the conservative version of christianity where their god is an asshole so they can rationalize being one too. Only time will tell if Francis is going to fail on something big like John Paul did, but I like what I see so far. As far as religions go, Francis' catholicism probably isn't a bad choice.
 
2013-12-24 01:11:54 PM

johnnyrocket: Amazing that right wingers aren't hip to the Pope's talk of compassion, giving, tolerance and kindness. That fact speak volumes for what the right wing is really all about.


^This.
 
2013-12-24 01:31:59 PM

plecos: He's doing his job so well I don't think he will last much longer in it, unfortunately.


I was always under the impression that people thought the Godfather Part III was a silly movie, and yet, every time I wander into a Pope Francis thread...
 
2013-12-24 01:44:07 PM
I try to stay fast to my beliefs.
And I always say (wishful thinking mayhap) "You might not like me, but you will respect me." (For holding true to my beliefs which I know are a blessing to mankind).

When I see religious personalities try to hard to appease everyone, they end up not being true to themselves nor their religion. And by this I mean all (monotheistic?) faiths. That is the point where people might like them, but not respect them.
I wonder where this road leads.

I apologize for rambling, I'm trying to type and crystallize my thoughts at the same time.


/feel free to disagree
//never shy to be a contrarian. Hopefully not too arrogant to take the right path if shown otherwise. Love being loved, but not without respect.
///rambling again
 
2013-12-24 01:48:06 PM

Resident Muslim: I try to stay fast to my beliefs.
And I always say (wishful thinking mayhap) "You might not like me, but you will respect me." (For holding true to my beliefs which I know are a blessing to mankind).

When I see religious personalities try to hard to appease everyone, they end up not being true to themselves nor their religion. And by this I mean all (monotheistic?) faiths. That is the point where people might like them, but not respect them.
I wonder where this road leads.

I apologize for rambling, I'm trying to type and crystallize my thoughts at the same time.


/feel free to disagree
//never shy to be a contrarian. Hopefully not too arrogant to take the right path if shown otherwise. Love being loved, but not without respect.
///rambling again


The Pope isn't appeasing to anyone.. Just emphasizing other aspects of Catholicism.
 
2013-12-24 01:57:59 PM

simplicimus: Resident Muslim: I try to stay fast to my beliefs.
And I always say (wishful thinking mayhap) "You might not like me, but you will respect me." (For holding true to my beliefs which I know are a blessing to mankind).

When I see religious personalities try to hard to appease everyone, they end up not being true to themselves nor their religion. And by this I mean all (monotheistic?) faiths. That is the point where people might like them, but not respect them.
I wonder where this road leads.

I apologize for rambling, I'm trying to type and crystallize my thoughts at the same time.


/feel free to disagree
//never shy to be a contrarian. Hopefully not too arrogant to take the right path if shown otherwise. Love being loved, but not without respect.
///rambling again

The Pope isn't appeasing to anyone.. Just emphasizing other aspects of Catholicism.


This, we all know he doesn't agree with abortion or homosexuality, it's just that he knows they are very divisive issues and beyond stating his beliefs on the matter he's put them in the background.

He's changed the primary focus from divisive social issues to what almost everybody can agree to: being kind, charitable, and aware of the plight of the poor
 
2013-12-24 01:59:31 PM

plecos: He's doing his job so well I don't think he will last much longer in it, unfortunately.


Yeah - upsetting a lot of people with the motivation and opportunity to do something about it
 
2013-12-24 02:11:46 PM

Weaver95: all I know is that the Pope is pissing off Rush Limbaugh and the prosperity gospel heretics, and that's fine by me!


It's great because many christians will see him as an authentic voice - someone qualified to comment

We can sneer at right wing xians as much as we like and it's water off a duck's back (in the same way as we ignore their criticisms)

It's their duty to ignore us bc we're obviously agents of satan sent to tempt them. So they never even consider what we say, no matter how reasonable. It's dismissed before it gets to the thinking part of their brain.

But the way Francis is delivering his message is amazingly effective.

It's phrased in a (fairly) non-judgemental way, but the Rush L's recognize how subversive it is. But their screeching, ad hominem responses just draw more attention to the debate.

And encourage their constituents to maybe reconsider.
 
2013-12-24 02:16:57 PM

Resident Muslim: When I see religious personalities try to hard to appease everyone, they end up not being true to themselves nor their religion. And by this I mean all (monotheistic?) faiths. That is the point where people might like them, but not respect them.
I wonder where this road leads.


I don't think he is trying to appease everyone. I think he is trying to actually emulate and live as Jesus did, because his faith is so strong.

The fact that people like him, it seems to me, is not because he is actively trying to appease them or because he is doing anything to try to make them like him.  It is because he has actually modeled himself after Jesus Christ, and even as an atheist, I have no problem with Jesus Christ as portrayed in the Bible. Most people don't/wouldn't, because His entire message was love one another. Be kind to the poor, the sick. Judge not. So on and so forth.

As role models go, Jesus Christ is one of the better ones someone could have. It's just that modern adherents to the faith went off the rails and lost sight of the message and the core of Christianity/Catholicism.  It's actually sad that we're more surprised by Pope Francis than say, the Duck Dynasty guy because we're so conditioned to associate Christianity with hate.

You can't really fault a Pope who wants to change that.
 
2013-12-24 02:44:59 PM

serpent_sky: Resident Muslim: When I see religious personalities try to hard to appease everyone, they end up not being true to themselves nor their religion. And by this I mean all (monotheistic?) faiths. That is the point where people might like them, but not respect them.
I wonder where this road leads.

I don't think he is trying to appease everyone. I think he is trying to actually emulate and live as Jesus did, because his faith is so strong.

The fact that people like him, it seems to me, is not because he is actively trying to appease them or because he is doing anything to try to make them like him.  It is because he has actually modeled himself after Jesus Christ, and even as an atheist, I have no problem with Jesus Christ as portrayed in the Bible. Most people don't/wouldn't, because His entire message was love one another. Be kind to the poor, the sick. Judge not. So on and so forth.

As role models go, Jesus Christ is one of the better ones someone could have. It's just that modern adherents to the faith went off the rails and lost sight of the message and the core of Christianity/Catholicism.  It's actually sad that we're more surprised by Pope Francis than say, the Duck Dynasty guy because we're so conditioned to associate Christianity with hate.

You can't really fault a Pope who wants to change that.


Of course it would be great if the Pope lives like Christ did.
What I don't understand is that (am I paraphrasing so much I'm losing the essence? I'm going by headlines), what I don't understand is that if I believe that Christ suffered and died on a cross, how could it be ok if people don't believe in Him?
If I believe that people need to believe to be saved, why would I tell them it's ok if they don't believe.

Otherwise, he is saying that those beliefs are wrong.

/am I misreading the headlines?
 
2013-12-24 02:54:59 PM

Resident Muslim: Of course it would be great if the Pope lives like Christ did.
What I don't understand is that (am I paraphrasing so much I'm losing the essence? I'm going by headlines), what I don't understand is that if I believe that Christ suffered and died on a cross, how could it be ok if people don't believe in Him?
If I believe that people need to believe to be saved, why would I tell them it's ok if they don't believe.

Otherwise, he is saying that those beliefs are wrong.

/am I misreading the headlines?


Anyone who is not Catholic has the wrong belief. But anyone who lives according to Christ's rules, regardless of belief, can be saved.
 
2013-12-24 02:55:07 PM

Resident Muslim: serpent_sky: Resident Muslim: When I see religious personalities try to hard to appease everyone, they end up not being true to themselves nor their religion. And by this I mean all (monotheistic?) faiths. That is the point where people might like them, but not respect them.
I wonder where this road leads.

I don't think he is trying to appease everyone. I think he is trying to actually emulate and live as Jesus did, because his faith is so strong.

The fact that people like him, it seems to me, is not because he is actively trying to appease them or because he is doing anything to try to make them like him.  It is because he has actually modeled himself after Jesus Christ, and even as an atheist, I have no problem with Jesus Christ as portrayed in the Bible. Most people don't/wouldn't, because His entire message was love one another. Be kind to the poor, the sick. Judge not. So on and so forth.

As role models go, Jesus Christ is one of the better ones someone could have. It's just that modern adherents to the faith went off the rails and lost sight of the message and the core of Christianity/Catholicism.  It's actually sad that we're more surprised by Pope Francis than say, the Duck Dynasty guy because we're so conditioned to associate Christianity with hate.

You can't really fault a Pope who wants to change that.

Of course it would be great if the Pope lives like Christ did.
What I don't understand is that (am I paraphrasing so much I'm losing the essence? I'm going by headlines), what I don't understand is that if I believe that Christ suffered and died on a cross, how could it be ok if people don't believe in Him?
If I believe that people need to believe to be saved, why would I tell them it's ok if they don't believe.

Otherwise, he is saying that those beliefs are wrong.

/am I misreading the headlines?


I think that's the relevant part to answer your question. It's not your problem. If you are a Christian, live your life according to Christ's teachings and be happy. Others may notice your happiness and ask how you came to be that way which gives you the opportunity to espouse your philosophy. Other's souls are God's (and the others) business, not yours. All IMHO.

/try to follow most of Christ's teachings(raised Catholic), am an atheist
 
2013-12-24 03:00:57 PM

mutterfark: I think that's the relevant part to answer your question. It's not your problem. If you are a Christian, live your life according to Christ's teachings and be happy. Others may notice your happiness and ask how you came to be that way which gives you the opportunity to espouse your philosophy. Other's souls are God's (and the others) business, not yours. All IMHO.

/try to follow most of Christ's teachings(raised Catholic), am an atheist


 "Preach the gospel at all times. Use words if necessary"  - St. Francis of Assisi.
 
2013-12-24 03:04:20 PM

Resident Muslim: Of course it would be great if the Pope lives like Christ did.
What I don't understand is that (am I paraphrasing so much I'm losing the essence? I'm going by headlines), what I don't understand is that if I believe that Christ suffered and died on a cross, how could it be ok if people don't believe in Him?
If I believe that people need to believe to be saved, why would I tell them it's ok if they don't believe.

Otherwise, he is saying that those beliefs are wrong.


Catholics believe that we have free will. And in an all-loving and forgiving God. Therefore, while they may think people are incorrect for not believing, they also believe that there is a chance the people can be redeemed and find Christ.  That would be my take on it.

And Christ suffered and died on a cross, but as the story goes, he asked his father (God) to forgive those who tortured and killed him, for "they did not know what they had done."  Much like the Pope said with regards to being Time's Man of the Year, he does not seek such accolades, but if it brings people to the church, he is pleased.  I suspect Jesus would be more focused on who he brought to the church and God than being angry about the ones he didn't.

Though I'm also feeling rather arrogant for even trying to imagine what Jesus Christ would think. But that would be my interpretation of Biblical Jesus.
 
2013-12-24 03:07:54 PM

serpent_sky: Though I'm also feeling rather arrogant for even trying to imagine what Jesus Christ would think. But that would be my interpretation of Biblical Jesus.


He would say "What's with all the goyim?"
 
2013-12-24 03:24:07 PM
simplicimus:


 "Preach the gospel at all times. Use words if necessary"  - St. Francis of Assisi.

I like that, and the new Pope.
 
2013-12-24 03:30:57 PM
I'm guessing the other 12% are "hard to please"
 
2013-12-24 03:33:31 PM

flucto: I'm guessing the other 12% are "hard to please"


Nah, there are still a lot of anti-Papists in the US.
 
2013-12-24 03:40:46 PM
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Oh Ohhhhhhh
Artur Boruc
The Holy Goalie
He hates the huns

He blessed himself at Ibrox and the huns went off their nut
He's off his farking rocker and he says GOD BLESS THE POPE!
 
2013-12-24 03:43:09 PM

simplicimus: Nah, there are still a lot of anti-Papists in the US.


I get that but this guy almost qualifies as anti-papist, at least compared to the rest of them.
 
2013-12-24 03:50:31 PM

flucto: simplicimus: Nah, there are still a lot of anti-Papists in the US.

I get that but this guy almost qualifies as anti-papist, at least compared to the rest of them.


Well, he re-opened the faith vs works debate that separates Catholicism from a lot of our Protestant brethren with his comment on atheists. I expect this is bouncing around with some Christians.
 
2013-12-24 04:10:33 PM

simplicimus: he re-opened the faith vs works debate that separates Catholicism from a lot of our Protestant brethren


I'm not sure what you mean, unless it's that Protestants reject works and he's made that point again?
 
2013-12-24 04:13:51 PM

mjjt: Weaver95: all I know is that the Pope is pissing off Rush Limbaugh and the prosperity gospel heretics, and that's fine by me!

It's great because many christians will see him as an authentic voice - someone qualified to comment

We can sneer at right wing xians as much as we like and it's water off a duck's back (in the same way as we ignore their criticisms)

It's their duty to ignore us bc we're obviously agents of satan sent to tempt them. So they never even consider what we say, no matter how reasonable. It's dismissed before it gets to the thinking part of their brain.

But the way Francis is delivering his message is amazingly effective.

It's phrased in a (fairly) non-judgemental way, but the Rush L's recognize how subversive it is. But their screeching, ad hominem responses just draw more attention to the debate.

And encourage their constituents to maybe reconsider.


The pope only effects catholics, who tend to vote democrat anyways.

Evangelicals already consider the pope and catholics to be evil.
 
2013-12-24 04:40:58 PM
Apparently, Rush Limbaugh hating on the Pope only drove his ratings up! (who woulda thunk it?)
 
2013-12-24 05:06:14 PM

flucto: simplicimus: he re-opened the faith vs works debate that separates Catholicism from a lot of our Protestant brethren

I'm not sure what you mean, unless it's that Protestants reject works and he's made that point again?


Yep. Faith + Works vs Faith alone. The Pope is all about the former. Just made it more blatant.
 
2013-12-24 05:06:44 PM

shtychkn: mjjt: Weaver95: all I know is that the Pope is pissing off Rush Limbaugh and the prosperity gospel heretics, and that's fine by me!

It's great because many christians will see him as an authentic voice - someone qualified to comment

We can sneer at right wing xians as much as we like and it's water off a duck's back (in the same way as we ignore their criticisms)

It's their duty to ignore us bc we're obviously agents of satan sent to tempt them. So they never even consider what we say, no matter how reasonable. It's dismissed before it gets to the thinking part of their brain.

But the way Francis is delivering his message is amazingly effective.

It's phrased in a (fairly) non-judgemental way, but the Rush L's recognize how subversive it is. But their screeching, ad hominem responses just draw more attention to the debate.

And encourage their constituents to maybe reconsider.

The pope only effects catholics, who tend to vote democrat anyways.

Evangelicals already consider the pope and catholics to be evil.


You may be right - certainly previous Popes, preaching dogma, have not affected non-Catholics

But this guy's message comes across as non-denominational, and even atheists receptive to basic "be kind and forgiving to each other"

I'm not in America, so I cd easily be wrong, but are all fundies/evangelicals as rigid as you say?
 
2013-12-24 05:16:20 PM

0z79: Quinzy: even atheists have shown an appreciation for him, CNN said.

 
I enjoy that news organizations assume that we must hate everything religious if we are not. 

/I really like the man almost as much as John Paul.

I almost converted when Pope  John Paul II was in the Vatican... he was the kindest, most reasonable religious figure that I knew about.

Then I heard about all the sexual allegations (that didn't have anything to do with poor John Paul) and THEN they had the Palpatine-like Pope Benedict... who actually managed to give me nightmares.

I believe I'll stay non-demoninational now that I'm older... but I'm really beginning to like Francis.

/the kneeling
//the catechisms
///it all freaks me the hell out


there isnt so much kneeling anymore. it tends to be older people and/or more traditional areas (which doesnt necessarily mean social conservatism as much as love for ritual).

there is a certain comfort in all the rituals, with the centuries of history behind the church... both fair and foul bits of history.
 
2013-12-24 05:16:48 PM

PaulRB: Apparently, Rush Limbaugh hating on the Pope only drove his ratings up! (who woulda thunk it?)


on the other hand, though, it's pounding the wedge deeper and deeper between the catholics and the evangelicals, which is (we can hope) going to start reflecting in the political arena as well... the louder people like rush rant about the pope, the more people are going to hear about what the pope's doing... and the more people who look at what the pope's doing and say "well, duh, what's wrong with that?" the better...

and for whoever made the godfather comment, i think more people are saying an evangelical teabagger fundie is gonna try to take him out if he shows up in the wrong place, 'cuz 'murrica (even though aside from being a good role model, he's got jack to do with our country... but who needs facts if you've got a rifle and a flag?)
 
2013-12-24 05:20:53 PM

simplicimus: Yep. Faith + Works vs Faith alone. The Pope is all about the former. Just made it more blatant.


I like his point even if I would argue about with him about it on a strictly technical level. Whatever though. He's a extraordinary person.
 
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