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2013-12-24 08:21:02 AM
Oh just a couple of simple changes, no big deal, just COMPLETELY STOP EATING EVERYTHING TASTY FOREVER AND INSTEAD EAT A DIET OF FISH AND AVOCADOS, NOT A BIG DEAL AT ALL
 
2013-12-24 08:25:46 AM

flucto: Oh just a couple of simple changes, no big deal, just COMPLETELY STOP EATING EVERYTHING TASTY FOREVER AND INSTEAD EAT A DIET OF FISH AND AVOCADOS, NOT A BIG DEAL AT ALL


hey, I'm with you. If I die, I'm dying a happy, happy man who could eat more than fish

/I absolutely *hate* fish
//Avocados, I've gotten use to
 
2013-12-24 08:28:55 AM

somedude210: /I absolutely *hate* fish
//Avocados, I've gotten use to


We could totally hang out and not eat fish. Except for sushi, for some reason, that's not like fish.
 
2013-12-24 08:33:57 AM
"He notes scientific articles that look at why low-carb diets are sometimes effective in managing epilepsy, rat models that have shown positive effects in Parkinson's "

Is next, sewer wear, very nice.
 
2013-12-24 08:34:56 AM

flucto: We could totally hang out and not eat fish. Except for sushi, for some reason, that's not like fish.


*looks at profile* mmmm, bring some of those pies/cakes and I will buy you an ocean of sushi ^_^
 
2013-12-24 09:01:17 AM
This is your wallet spending money on a worthless book.
 
2013-12-24 09:04:18 AM
So asks Dr. David Perlmutter, in promotion of his PBS special Brain Change, coming soon to your regional affiliate

So this is what PBS has come to.  They've got their very own Dr. Oz, along with assorted charlatans and hucksters selling dubious advice to a gullible public.

Thanks, PBS!

Maybe they can get that annoying pipsqueak that shucks real estate his own show next.
 
2013-12-24 09:16:38 AM

Marcus Aurelius: So asks Dr. David Perlmutter, in promotion of his PBS special Brain Change, coming soon to your regional affiliate

So this is what PBS has come to.  They've got their very own Dr. Oz, along with assorted charlatans and hucksters selling dubious advice to a gullible public.

Thanks, PBS!

Maybe they can get that annoying pipsqueak that shucks real estate his own show next.


When they're not hawking "Music of your life" CD compilations

/at the $60 donation level
 
2013-12-24 09:25:14 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When they're not hawking "Music of your life" CD compilations

/at the $60 donation level


They went downhill very quickly since Kenneth Tomlinson took over.  He's doing a most excellent job of destroying that organization from the ground up.
 
2013-12-24 09:29:31 AM

Marcus Aurelius: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When they're not hawking "Music of your life" CD compilations

/at the $60 donation level

They went downhill very quickly since Kenneth Tomlinson took over.  He's doing a most excellent job of destroying that organization from the ground up.


And before someone corrects me on Tomlinson being "officially" out, his hand picked lackey is still in charge.
 
2013-12-24 09:34:48 AM
Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.
 
2013-12-24 09:46:14 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.


Yep.

Fad diets are for people who want to believe they're fat or unhealthy because "they've been lied to." It's a way of mitigating personal blame and responsibility.
 
2013-12-24 09:48:41 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.


^ This ^ 2.
 
2013-12-24 09:51:37 AM
Those^

/I'll get the lights
 
2013-12-24 09:58:06 AM
This is really the money shot of TFA if you don't feel like reading it:

When a person advocates radical change on the order of eliminating one of the three macronutrient groups from our diets, the burden of proof should be enormous.

Any doctor claiming that such a diet is beneficial over the long term is almost certainly a quack and a huckster.
 
2013-12-24 09:58:37 AM
Eating a ton of carbs and a ton of gluten isn't good for you.  If you're a normal person, moderate your consumption of them.  If you have a disorder like celiac, try to avoid entirely.  Otherwise, enjoy the small things in life like an occasional night of beer, pizza, etc.  Or don't moderate at all and deal with the effects if that's what you want.  You only get one go around on this planet.
 
2013-12-24 10:45:45 AM
PC LOAD LETTER:
We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.

...just don't use it too much.

You don't have to go the Paleo diet route, but when you're eating 75% or more of your calories per day as carbs, you're probably overdoing it.
 
2013-12-24 10:51:31 AM
Great. More fuel for my crack-pot sister-in-law so she can continue to relentlessly preach her usual dietary nonsense every chance she gets. I can't wait.
 
2013-12-24 10:54:40 AM

flucto: Oh just a couple of simple changes, no big deal, just COMPLETELY STOP EATING EVERYTHING TASTY FOREVER AND INSTEAD EAT A DIET OF FISH AND AVOCADOS, NOT A BIG DEAL AT ALL


You know that bacon is low-carb, right?

/Soylent Green, being long pig, is technically low-carb too
 
2013-12-24 10:57:13 AM

sigdiamond2000: This is really the money shot of TFA if you don't feel like reading it:

When a person advocates radical change on the order of eliminating one of the three macronutrient groups from our diets, the burden of proof should be enormous.

Any doctor claiming that such a diet is beneficial over the long term is almost certainly a quack and a huckster.


Or an honest crank. Don't forget that bunch. I suspect that they can do a lot more damage in the long run, all without a shred of the ill intent that marks the quacks and the charlatans.
 
2013-12-24 11:10:20 AM
The two healthiest and leanest people in my family are my mom and my maternal grandfather.  My mom lives on a diet of coffee and cigarettes.  My grandfather eats meals that are primarily fried meat (bacon, sausage, hamburgers) supplemented with fried potatoes (chips, french fries) and raw tomatoes.  So, if for some reason I decided I wanted to live a nice long life, I'd bank on genetics and start following their examples.
 
2013-12-24 11:15:37 AM
It's so hard keeping up with the latest American diet/public health fad.

South beach anyone?
Or maybe some atkins?
Caveman diet?
How about the scourge that was carpel tunnel?
 
2013-12-24 11:16:11 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.


But, see, the guys making the case that no one should eat it are bilking the anti-science morons.

Isn't that a good thing?
 
2013-12-24 11:20:00 AM

MrSteve007: It's so hard keeping up with the latest American diet/public health fad.

South beach anyone?
Or maybe some atkins?
Caveman diet?
How about the scourge that was carpel tunnel?


Remember when everyone had Lyme Disease?
 
DB
2013-12-24 11:26:20 AM
Prove it
 
2013-12-24 11:33:52 AM
You'll pry my Oreos from my cold, dead hands, Paleo freaks!!!
 
2013-12-24 11:35:43 AM

flucto: Oh just a couple of simple changes, no big deal, just COMPLETELY STOP EATING EVERYTHING TASTY FOREVER AND INSTEAD EAT A DIET OF FISH AND AVOCADOS, NOT A BIG DEAL AT ALL


Are you really this stupid? I mean, REALLY!? Have you never heard of eggs and bacon?

Oh, and avocado omelets are the awesome, btw.
 
2013-12-24 11:37:54 AM

MrHappyRotter: The two healthiest and leanest people in my family are my mom and my maternal grandfather.  My mom lives on a diet of coffee and cigarettes.  My grandfather eats meals that are primarily fried meat (bacon, sausage, hamburgers) supplemented with fried potatoes (chips, french fries) and raw tomatoes.  So, if for some reason I decided I wanted to live a nice long life, I'd bank on genetics and start following their examples.


Based on my family history, I'm pretty sure I'd live to 100 if I smoked 2 packs a day instead of being obese (which is killing me).
 
2013-12-24 11:53:51 AM
IDK, some real great advances in human history happen after we moved more towards an agrarian society.
 
2013-12-24 11:57:43 AM

Marcus Aurelius: PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.

^ This ^ 2.


Gluten isn't a carbohydrate.

Is it such a novel concept that there could be a small quantity of some substance that's not good for you in something that is on a whole edible? There's cyanide in lima beans, wild almonds, and apple seeds.

We've got a biochemical pathway dedicated to breaking down ethanol, but I don't think subsisting on a diet of 100% Everclear is a good idea.
 
2013-12-24 11:57:52 AM

MrSteve007: It's so hard keeping up with the latest American diet/public health fad.

South beach anyone?
Or maybe some atkins?
Caveman diet?
How about the scourge that was carpel tunnel?


Is that the diet where you eat only ladyfingers?

Heard it was popular with the Donner party.

/one express ticket please.
 
2013-12-24 12:10:51 PM

bmckenna: Marcus Aurelius: PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.

^ This ^ 2.

Gluten isn't a carbohydrate.

Is it such a novel concept that there could be a small quantity of some substance that's not good for you in something that is on a whole edible? There's cyanide in lima beans, wild almonds, and apple seeds.

We've got a biochemical pathway dedicated to breaking down ethanol, but I don't think subsisting on a diet of 100% Everclear is a good idea.


sissy
 
2013-12-24 12:13:02 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period.


I love made up science!

In one corner, we have the people who designed the Food Pyramid, and then redesigned it again when they felt nobody was paying attention to them, and in the other corner people who oppose the Food Pyramid.

If there wasn't so much money at stake, it'd be a lot more amusing to ridicule.
 
2013-12-24 12:13:44 PM
No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.
 
2013-12-24 12:18:09 PM

Plastic Trash Vortex: No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.


It all depends on how it's done.  There's a local bakery that does amazing gluten-free cupcakes, and Udi's sells some gluten-free pizza crusts that come out absolutely wonderfully.
 
2013-12-24 12:21:49 PM
I'll quit carbs as soon as I finish off this plate of Christmas cookies. (You Grinch! :) )
 
2013-12-24 12:21:55 PM
gluten can in fact be related to risk for dementia

Gluten, certainly in patients with celiac disease, is strongly associated with risk for dementia


So if you already have a disease, gluten can maybe, tangentially be related to risk factors.

Sort of like how owning a car can tangentially be related to being involved in an automobile accident.  Certainly if I didn't own a car I would likely spend less time driving which would decrease the frequency in which I found myself in some situations where I could be involved in an accident, but then it could open up all new ones.  Maybe the bus I'm riding on gets t-boned at an intersection, maybe my train derails, maybe someone drives up on the sidewalk and take out an entire crowd of people of which I happen to be a part of.  It would seem then that owning a car has no more impact on the cause of being involved in a traffic incident than being alive has cause to being susceptible to death.
 
2013-12-24 12:22:55 PM

HeartBurnKid: Plastic Trash Vortex: No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.

It all depends on how it's done.  There's a local bakery that does amazing gluten-free cupcakes, and Udi's sells some gluten-free pizza crusts that come out absolutely wonderfully.


Cupcakes and Pizza sounds like a diet I can work with..
 
2013-12-24 12:28:20 PM

Kristoph57: HeartBurnKid: Plastic Trash Vortex: No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.

It all depends on how it's done.  There's a local bakery that does amazing gluten-free cupcakes, and Udi's sells some gluten-free pizza crusts that come out absolutely wonderfully.

Cupcakes and Pizza sounds like a diet I can work with..


And it's low-carb, because it's gluten-free!

/wait
//gluten is a protein
 
2013-12-24 12:33:12 PM

bmckenna: Marcus Aurelius: PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.

^ This ^ 2.

Gluten isn't a carbohydrate.

Is it such a novel concept that there could be a small quantity of some substance that's not good for you in something that is on a whole edible? There's cyanide in lima beans, wild almonds, and apple seeds.

We've got a biochemical pathway dedicated to breaking down ethanol, but I don't think subsisting on a diet of 100% Everclear is a good idea.


Nobody's advocating a diet of just gluten, and I don't think anybody is making the claim that gluten is as deadly as cyanide either.  In any case the Perlmutter guy who's the main subject of the article here seems to condemning all carbs, not just gluten-rich carb sources.
 
2013-12-24 12:34:08 PM
TTIUWP

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-12-24 12:37:25 PM
You can pry this baguette from my cold, dead hands!
 
2013-12-24 12:50:39 PM
Plenty of nutrient rich carbs out there. Carbs derived from processed grains are not a great dietary supplement. The "paleo" diet is a terrible and inaccurate name for eating real foods vs processed.
 
2013-12-24 12:55:15 PM
Fish?  And die of mercury poisoning?  No thanks.
 
2013-12-24 12:56:24 PM

Arkanaut: bmckenna: Marcus Aurelius: PC LOAD LETTER: Crap Science for morons. Period. We have been eating grains since we became omnivores. Of course, this blends nicely with the anti-science moron crowd that's in vogue these days who think they know "the science they won't tell you" or whatever. If gluten gives you gas or whatever, then don't eat it. Don't make the case that no one should eat it. It's idiotic. We have an entire biochemical pathway dedicated to digesting carbohydrates. Use it.

^ This ^ 2.

Gluten isn't a carbohydrate.

Is it such a novel concept that there could be a small quantity of some substance that's not good for you in something that is on a whole edible? There's cyanide in lima beans, wild almonds, and apple seeds.

We've got a biochemical pathway dedicated to breaking down ethanol, but I don't think subsisting on a diet of 100% Everclear is a good idea.

Nobody's advocating a diet of just gluten, and I don't think anybody is making the claim that gluten is as deadly as cyanide either.  In any case the Perlmutter guy who's the main subject of the article here seems to condemning all carbs, not just gluten-rich carb sources.


And suggesting we move to a diet that's 70% fat. Risk dementia for eating pizza or heart attack for lard, decisions, decisions. Seriously, is this just Atkins re-branded?

The Mrs has celiacs, it's brutal cause wheat is made up of 99% delicious. But I fully encourage this whole gluten free trend as the more people buying the product, the lower our grocery bill is.
 
2013-12-24 12:58:14 PM
Well I beat my severe depression, stopped my severe heartburn, got rid of my foggy brain and cut my frequent trips to the bathroom by half by going gluten free.

By further avoiding grains and going paleo, I've upped my energy, don't have insomnia anymore, cut down mood swings, got rid of most of my chronic aches(knees that gave out & carpal tunnel) deal with stress better and have a clearer mind.

But that's me. Some rare people are completely heathy eating gluten and I say lucky them. Most people do very poorly eating gluten and it's obvious but they are more addicted to it than a cigarette smoker is to their cigarettes.
 
2013-12-24 01:01:44 PM
It's got Dr Oz's recommendation and therefore Oprah's.  If you need any more evidence that it is a moneymaking fad you watch entirely too much daytime TV.
 
2013-12-24 01:03:37 PM

Plastic Trash Vortex: No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.


Have you tried Green's or New Planet's ales? They're not bad. My wife has celiac and is a light drinker, so I typically end up drinking half of whatever bottle she opens. Both of those are passable. Dogfish Head also has an ale called Tweason'ale that's pretty good if you're into mildly fruity beers.

Gluten-free baked goods can be hit or miss. We have a couple of fantastic bakeries around here that rock. While taste/texture can be hit or miss, it's pretty much universal that gluten-free baked goods, and pastas once cooked, don't manage being left around for long very well. Freezing stuff typically helps. Also, be careful with intake of gluten-free baked goods; they're typically packed to the gills with even more butter and sugar than normal.
 
2013-12-24 01:07:46 PM

006deluxe: Plastic Trash Vortex: No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.

Have you tried Green's or New Planet's ales? They're not bad. My wife has celiac and is a light drinker, so I typically end up drinking half of whatever bottle she opens. Both of those are passable. Dogfish Head also has an ale called Tweason'ale that's pretty good if you're into mildly fruity beers.

Gluten-free baked goods can be hit or miss. We have a couple of fantastic bakeries around here that rock. While taste/texture can be hit or miss, it's pretty much universal that gluten-free baked goods, and pastas once cooked, don't manage being left around for long very well. Freezing stuff typically helps. Also, be careful with intake of gluten-free baked goods; they're typically packed to the gills with even more butter and sugar than normal.


The more I hear about these gluten-free cupcakes the better and better they sound...

This éclair cupcake is over one million calories. Twenty-five pounds of butter per square inch. Covered with chocolate so dark that light cannot escape its surface. No, no, no! This is just a picture. But Homer Simpson Kristoph57 will find the real thing both delicious and deadly.
 
2013-12-24 01:09:12 PM

YixilTesiphon: Kristoph57: HeartBurnKid: Plastic Trash Vortex: No thanks. Every gluten-free beer I've tried tastes like spoiled white wine and pear juice.

All of the other gluten-free products I've tasted have been inferior to the original version as well. As far as I can tell, gluten is what make 95% of the grain-based foods we eat not taste like total shiat.

It all depends on how it's done.  There's a local bakery that does amazing gluten-free cupcakes, and Udi's sells some gluten-free pizza crusts that come out absolutely wonderfully.

Cupcakes and Pizza sounds like a diet I can work with..

And it's low-carb, because it's gluten-free!

/wait
//gluten is a protein


Oh no, it's definitely not low carb.  Not at all.

If you're worried about carbs, don't eat baked goods.  At all.  Period.  End of paragraph.
 
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