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(Independent)   Regardless of how innocent your intentions are, if you're an organization known for its barely-concealed racist views you should probably think very carefully about using phrases like ' wishing you a white Christmas'   (independent.co.uk) divider line 119
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2013-12-24 11:06:50 AM  
Britain, please stop giving the Tea Party ideas.  Sincerely, America.
 
2013-12-24 11:08:56 AM  
Unless, of course, the allusion happens to be exactly what you intend.
 
2013-12-24 11:10:46 AM  
At least it's a little more subtle than rows of marching hammers....
 
2013-12-24 11:11:57 AM  
I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd had the same message with a non-White model. I'm guessing it would have gone from being interpreted as 'racist' to 'threat'.
 
2013-12-24 11:12:03 AM  
Of course they are.
 
2013-12-24 11:13:00 AM  
Epic troll is epic.
 
2013-12-24 11:16:46 AM  
For an idiot American like me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Ideology

That picture definitely seems like a subtle dogwhistle in that light.
 
2013-12-24 11:18:36 AM  

jjorsett: I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd had the same message with a non-White model. I'm guessing it would have gone from being interpreted as 'racist' to 'threat'.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-12-24 11:27:11 AM  
Nigel Farage looks like a lizard person. Like his bottom and top jaw could uncouple and swallow a person whole.
 
2013-12-24 11:35:41 AM  

Esc7: For an idiot American like me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Ideology

That picture definitely seems like a subtle dogwhistle in that light.


It's hard behind plausible deniability when you have a long illustrious history of that thing you deny.
 
2013-12-24 11:38:24 AM  
The BNP conceals their racist views?
 
2013-12-24 11:42:31 AM  

jjorsett: I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd had the same message with a non-White model. I'm guessing it would have gone from being interpreted as 'racist' to 'threat'.


You mean like this guy? I don't think he celebrates Christmas.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bnp-signs-its-first-no nw hite-member-1824108.html

Of course, since they took a vote about whether or not to allow a token non-Caucasian to join in their little reindeer games, it must indicate that the BNP is "totally not racist". Totally.
 
2013-12-24 11:48:53 AM  

jjorsett: I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd had the same message with a non-White model. I'm guessing it would have gone from being interpreted as 'racist' to 'threat'.


anitasnotebook.com
 
2013-12-24 11:56:54 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: jjorsett: I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd had the same message with a non-White model. I'm guessing it would have gone from being interpreted as 'racist' to 'threat'.

[anitasnotebook.com image 320x224]


You two brain trustees do know that the BNP is a racist party, right? I mean, not cryptically racist, not making economic decisions based on geographic and cultural boundaries that can be extrapolated to racism, but actually racist, right? The party explicitly supported white nationalism in the past and called for Britain to be made "once again a white country." That call was made in  1997. Even in pulling away from being explicitly racist since 2001, the party has been more white supremacist than any remotely viable political party or movement in the US in the last 50 years.
 
2013-12-24 11:59:55 AM  
Yeah, the British Nazi Party is still pretty farking racist.

/Makes the KKK look like the ACLU
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-12-24 12:07:23 PM  

HERE'S WISHING YOU



encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

A WHITE CHRISTMAS!!

...take off this uniform and leave the show...
 
2013-12-24 12:14:26 PM  

Esc7: For an idiot American like me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Ideology

That picture definitely seems like a subtle dogwhistle in that light.


Its one thing that the girl in the pic is white. The blonde hair and blue eyes just adds to the trolly nature of it.
 
2013-12-24 12:15:35 PM  
I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.
 
2013-12-24 12:18:01 PM  

Bloody William: Zeb Hesselgresser: jjorsett: I wonder what the reaction would have been if they'd had the same message with a non-White model. I'm guessing it would have gone from being interpreted as 'racist' to 'threat'.

[anitasnotebook.com image 320x224]

You two brain trustees do know that the BNP is a racist party, right? I mean, not cryptically racist, not making economic decisions based on geographic and cultural boundaries that can be extrapolated to racism, but actually racist, right? The party explicitly supported white nationalism in the past and called for Britain to be made "once again a white country." That call was made in  1997. Even in pulling away from being explicitly racist since 2001, the party has been more white supremacist than any remotely viable political party or movement in the US in the last 50 years.


Once you hate someone, everything they do is offensive. "Look at that biatch espousing racial purity like she owns the place."

hmm, doesn't quite sound right...
 
2013-12-24 12:19:43 PM  

serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.


The BNP (and its counterparts in other countries, like the Front National in France) are the kinds of people the GOP point to as an example of what legitimate racism looks like.
 
2013-12-24 12:24:33 PM  
To anyone who claims racism is over, I will now prove to you it is not.

Exhibit A: The comments
 
2013-12-24 12:29:22 PM  
To Americans not getting this: imagine if the KKK put out this card.

The BNP is in the same balllpark (or, for our British Farker friends, on the same pitch) as the KKK.
 
2013-12-24 12:34:19 PM  

serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.


I like the fact that you confess to knowing nothing at all about the party where talking about, yet feel the need to reflectively defend them against accusations of racism. Don't you think that is a little but concerning that you have to always come out against charges of racism?

Shouldn't that make you think just a little bit about your biases when that is your first concern?
 
2013-12-24 12:35:53 PM  

Bloody William: The BNP conceals their racist views?


More and more as time goes by. Some of them probably have black friends and would say you're the real racist for complaining about these things because Kwanzaa. Or something.
 
2013-12-24 12:40:21 PM  

serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.


You know of the existence of Skinheads?  Those are the people who started the BNP.

/which reminds me, I need to see if there's a Xmas episode of HIGNFY
 
2013-12-24 12:40:55 PM  

culculhen: serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.

I like the fact that you confess to knowing nothing at all about the party where talking about, yet feel the need to reflectively defend them against accusations of racism. Don't you think that is a little but concerning that you have to always come out against charges of racism?

Shouldn't that make you think just a little bit about your biases when that is your first concern?


Well, if somebody says they're not racist, it doesn't really make sense for them to engage in overtly racist behavior. Either own it or hide it, I say.
So, it's pretty easy for this to come across the same way as the BS people drum up against the GOP.
Upon reading the thread though, yeah maybe these guys are just idiots in addition to being assholes.
 
2013-12-24 12:51:00 PM  
Mr Griffin has attempted to change the BNP's image from an allegedly racist party since he became its leader in 1999.

...and a damn fine job he's doing, too! *rolls eyes*


"Billy's joined the National Front.
He always was a little runt.
He's got his hand in the air with the other coonts..."
 
2013-12-24 12:51:34 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: At least it's a little more subtle than rows of marching hammers....


What's the deal with hammers and groups like this?  I remember the final bad guys in Gargoyles used hammers as did the main enemy in Thief 2 (though I never really played that one).  Does it have something to do with masons or blacksmiths?
 
2013-12-24 12:51:43 PM  

grumpfuff: To anyone who claims racism is over, I will now prove to you it is not.

Exhibit A: The comments


FTC: "anti-racist is code for anti-white!"

AKA: the world's most punchable sentence
 
2013-12-24 12:53:19 PM  

serial_crusher: culculhen: serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.

I like the fact that you confess to knowing nothing at all about the party where talking about, yet feel the need to reflectively defend them against accusations of racism. Don't you think that is a little but concerning that you have to always come out against charges of racism?

Shouldn't that make you think just a little bit about your biases when that is your first concern?

Well, if somebody says they're not racist, it doesn't really make sense for them to engage in overtly racist behavior. Either own it or hide it, I say.
So, it's pretty easy for this to come across the same way as the BS people drum up against the GOP.
Upon reading the thread though, yeah maybe these guys are just idiots in addition to being assholes.


Plenty of racist people don't have their dog whistles calibrated all that well. This is them hiding it. And I like the fact that this basically makes you double down on your automatic dismal of racism charges.

"You can't fault me for defending racism reflectively because this incident reminds me of all the other times I reflectively defended racism."

I'm not saying your racist, I'm just saying that you should be a little more open that some people might be.
 
2013-12-24 12:54:05 PM  

culculhen: serial_crusher: culculhen: serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.

I like the fact that you confess to knowing nothing at all about the party where talking about, yet feel the need to reflectively defend them against accusations of racism. Don't you think that is a little but concerning that you have to always come out against charges of racism?

Shouldn't that make you think just a little bit about your biases when that is your first concern?

Well, if somebody says they're not racist, it doesn't really make sense for them to engage in overtly racist behavior. Either own it or hide it, I say.
So, it's pretty easy for this to come across the same way as the BS people drum up against the GOP.
Upon reading the thread though, yeah maybe these guys are just idiots in addition to being assholes.

Plenty of racist people don't have their dog whistles calibrated all that well. This is them hiding it. And I like the fact that this basically makes you double down on your automatic dismal of racism charges.

"You can't fault me for defending racism reflectively because this incident reminds me of all the other times I reflectively defended racism."

I'm not saying your racist, I'm just saying that you should be a little more open that some people might be.


Damn auto correct "you're"
 
2013-12-24 12:57:14 PM  

grumpfuff: To anyone who claims racism is over, I will now prove to you it is not.

Exhibit A: The comments

FTFC:

Excuse me, but can't you see that flooding ALL and ONLY White countries with MILLIONS of non-Whites and telling everyone to 'assimilate' to create a blended humanity IS White GENOCIDE?
Africa will still be full of Africans
Asia will still be full of Asians
Only White children will suffer from this insanity.
It's White geNOcide!
Except 'anti-racists' don't call it GENOCIDE when it's done to White children.
They call it 'diversity'.
Diversity is a code for White Genocide.
Anti-racist is a code for anti-White. 

What happens when different breeds of white people mix?  I mean, I am a fair-haired Celt while my wife's people come from southern Germany with dark hair and eyes.  Do I need to divorce her to prevent genocide?  What if a Greek inter-breeds with a Swede?  Italian with Dutch?  Dane with Portuguese?  I need this information to save my farking race!
 
2013-12-24 01:02:52 PM  

serial_crusher: culculhen: serial_crusher: I don't know that much about British politics so not sure if the BNP is any more "allegedly racist" than our GOP is. Assuming they're roughly the same, I have to default my position to "puh-lease".

/ the democrats are "allegedly racist" too, depending on whose allegations you listen to.

I like the fact that you confess to knowing nothing at all about the party where talking about, yet feel the need to reflectively defend them against accusations of racism. Don't you think that is a little but concerning that you have to always come out against charges of racism?

Shouldn't that make you think just a little bit about your biases when that is your first concern?

Well, if somebody says they're not racist, it doesn't really make sense for them to engage in overtly racist behavior. Either own it or hide it, I say.
So, it's pretty easy for this to come across the same way as the BS people drum up against the GOP.

Upon reading the thread though, yeah maybe these guys are just idiots in addition to being assholes.

"Either own it or hide it, I say.

 "

Well, I'm happy for you that that's YOUR feeling. However, it doesn't change the fact that there are many individuals and organizations who are very definitely racist, while recognizing the fact that being openly and overtly racist isn't a socially-acceptable or politically-viable position. Furthermore, those people often have enough sense of self-preservation to realize that it's far more effective to couch their racism in subtle, artfully-crafted messages which allow them plausible-deniability, while still letting their membership and target audience know what it is their about. Hence the term, "dog-whistle."


So, it's pretty easy for this to come across the same way as the BS people drum up against the GOP. 

Yeah... "BS."

See, you're taking advantage of that plausible deniability right now!
 
2013-12-24 01:08:37 PM  
Well, I'm not British and may not be familiar with all of their holiday greetings, but I've NEVER... never, ever, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone wish someone a "white Christmas."

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas"
"Looks like we may have a white Christmas this year."
"Heard you guys got a white Christmas?"

NEVER

I wish you a white Christmas!
 
2013-12-24 01:12:30 PM  

technicolor-misfit: I wish you a white Christmas!


upload.wikimedia.org

...Likes the sound of that.
 
2013-12-24 01:14:02 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Well, I'm not British and may not be familiar with all of their holiday greetings, but I've NEVER... never, ever, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone wish someone a "white Christmas."

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas"
"Looks like we may have a white Christmas this year."
"Heard you guys got a white Christmas?"

NEVER

I wish you a white Christmas!


Wishing it for somebody else and dreaming of it for yourself are roughly the same thing.
See, Bing Crosby and everybody else who ever sang or listened to that song are racists! Dog whistles, I tell ya! Play it backwards!
 
2013-12-24 01:17:33 PM  
by the headline I thought this was yet another duck dynasty thread
 
2013-12-24 01:19:16 PM  
LOL. They probably meant it both ways but what are you gonna do? Its a damn Xmas card. Let them have their dog whistle.
 
2013-12-24 01:21:14 PM  
coke heads always dream of white christmases.
 
2013-12-24 01:21:50 PM  
fun256.com
 
2013-12-24 01:24:29 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: LOL. They probably meant it both ways but what are you gonna do? Its a damn Xmas card. Let them have their dog whistle.


It's not really a dog whistle when for most of the life of your party you've had a dude on your porch shouting the n-word at everyone who walks by, and have only just said "Dude, shh, keep it down a little!" in the last 12 years.
 
2013-12-24 01:25:57 PM  

serial_crusher: technicolor-misfit: Well, I'm not British and may not be familiar with all of their holiday greetings, but I've NEVER... never, ever, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone wish someone a "white Christmas."

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas"
"Looks like we may have a white Christmas this year."
"Heard you guys got a white Christmas?"

NEVER

I wish you a white Christmas!

Wishing it for somebody else and dreaming of it for yourself are roughly the same thing.
See, Bing Crosby and everybody else who ever sang or listened to that song are racists! Dog whistles, I tell ya! Play it backwards!


This is hilarious. Even now that you know that, yes, the BNP is racist, you still have the compulsion to actually defend them.

It's pathological with you isn't it?
 
2013-12-24 01:29:44 PM  

winterbraid: grumpfuff: To anyone who claims racism is over, I will now prove to you it is not.

Exhibit A: The comments

FTC: "anti-racist is code for anti-white!"

AKA: the world's most punchable sentence


I dunno, the "multiculturalism is death" dude was pretty punchable too.
 
2013-12-24 01:32:31 PM  

serial_crusher: technicolor-misfit: Well, I'm not British and may not be familiar with all of their holiday greetings, but I've NEVER... never, ever, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone wish someone a "white Christmas."

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas"
"Looks like we may have a white Christmas this year."
"Heard you guys got a white Christmas?"

NEVER

I wish you a white Christmas!

Wishing it for somebody else and dreaming of it for yourself are roughly the same thing.
See, Bing Crosby and everybody else who ever sang or listened to that song are racists! Dog whistles, I tell ya! Play it backwards!


You're absolutely right, these poor fellows are being unfairly targeted. I mean, just look at this pic of BNP founder John Tyndall (left) and his buddies, eating crackers like they own the place.

i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-24 01:33:51 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-24 01:36:36 PM  

cc_rider: serial_crusher: technicolor-misfit: Well, I'm not British and may not be familiar with all of their holiday greetings, but I've NEVER... never, ever, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone wish someone a "white Christmas."

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas"
"Looks like we may have a white Christmas this year."
"Heard you guys got a white Christmas?"

NEVER

I wish you a white Christmas!

Wishing it for somebody else and dreaming of it for yourself are roughly the same thing.
See, Bing Crosby and everybody else who ever sang or listened to that song are racists! Dog whistles, I tell ya! Play it backwards!

You're absolutely right, these poor fellows are being unfairly targeted. I mean, just look at this pic of BNP founder John Tyndall (left) and his buddies, eating crackers like they own the place.


If they are such racist why is the picture in white AND black?

Surely racist would've only used white for their pictures! This pictures just shows that they embrace all the races!
 
2013-12-24 01:40:39 PM  

cc_rider: serial_crusher: technicolor-misfit: Well, I'm not British and may not be familiar with all of their holiday greetings, but I've NEVER... never, ever, ever, ever, EVER heard anyone wish someone a "white Christmas."

"I'm dreaming of a white Christmas"
"Looks like we may have a white Christmas this year."
"Heard you guys got a white Christmas?"

NEVER

I wish you a white Christmas!

Wishing it for somebody else and dreaming of it for yourself are roughly the same thing.
See, Bing Crosby and everybody else who ever sang or listened to that song are racists! Dog whistles, I tell ya! Play it backwards!

You're absolutely right, these poor fellows are being unfairly targeted. I mean, just look at this pic of BNP founder John Tyndall (left) and his buddies, eating crackers like they own the place.


Being conservative means defending racism every time you get the chance.
 
2013-12-24 01:48:38 PM  
Billy joined the National Front
He always was a little runt
He's got his hand in air with other coonts
Got to rehumanize yourself.
 
2013-12-24 01:58:11 PM  

TV's Vinnie:


Why does Paul look like Ross Perot?
 
2013-12-24 02:00:33 PM  
Hey, UK...

You guys tried to colonize the world.  Why are you angry now that the targets of your colonization have chosen to return to Mother Britain and take their rightful place alongside their brethren?

Were you seriously of the delusion that colonization would be an exclusively one-way street?  If so, how could you possibly have been so stupid?

--Signed, an American of British ancestry
 
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